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just wondering if Kate is 21 how old are you?

Hi.. I have to defend Jettis..
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I was going to try to use them, but they denied me after looking at my past history with another processor (2%~) CB ratio.. said it was too risky.. and it was several million per yr in volume, btw..

so they must be pretty strict.

Good of you to speak so highly of them even though they rejected you.

Mikeai is 47
Katie is 21

Chris

It's a Friday night...I'm here by myself...If I was a horny surfer and saw something that I might like for FREE, I'm gonna just sign up because my dick is hard.....

Just like everything else, a man doesn't think correctly when his penis is hard...Y'all know this, and exploit it......

When I'm ready to jack off, I'm not in the mood to read fine print...My hands are probably already greasy and I'm ready for action....

Exactly - the surfer probably doesn't even SEE the fine print or notice what box is ticked, crossed, clear, clean or full of cum - he just wants the hardcore shit on the other side of the sign-up button.

This is true. Assuming that a surfer surfing porn is actually doing any "thinking" at all is likely a mistake. He's not. He just wants to get off.

We'd like to think everybody knows that nothing is for free. The fact remains that many people still believe in the goblins in there closet at night. They're just gullible people. That's why blatant scams on tv make millions every year despite the lessons of the past.

And I would venture to say that a minority of any given population reads the fine print on any item, be it a website or tangible product.

Where did BossHawg and Fantasyman go? I expected an hour of reading material on this thread I even had the popcorn popped. DAMN!

OWNED :1orglaugh

Giga pays $42 which is the highest paying program I know of. Dollarmachine pays $30 with no minimum to make that rate.
Adultplatinum pays $40/signup and even if Lens lowered it by $10 it would still be $30 with no minimum.

Silvercash is really lowering to $25/signup with $30/signup IF you send a minimum per pay period?

$25 is the low figure in the adult biz, not many pay that low. Even clickcash got away from their $25 per signup structure. If the ones that pay that low converted much better and the bottomline is still higher than other programs great. I however never had luck with the lower paying programs.

What was that minimum number of sales per period to make $30/signup? Your original post said ... pays $30/signup when you make a certain number of sales. And does that extra $5 get added to EVERY sale from that period or just the sales that are over the minimum?

I just think it's wrong for the sponsors who are lowering their payouts to be pissed enough at the ones who aren't and are even increasing them, to bash them without doing their homework on their payouts FIRST.

For everyone else correct me if I'm wrong but is anyone lowering their payouts to $25 except ARS and Silvercash? I may have missed a few. Oh I think topbucks was on that list also?

Anymore new info on this?

that's a lame excuse for not reading on what you are purchasing. people read the fine print when making cd purchases online, they read when making clothing and computer purchases online (and for those computer junkies...i am sure they get pretty excited) so for them not to read the fine print when joining a porn site is just irresponsible. especially in this day and age when anyone can charge you for anything.

reading is fundamental and to give those who dont read an excuse, is just idiotic.

lets put it this way, when having sex with someone you make damn well sure you have protection otherwise the 3 am screaming wont be from the person youre having sex with; the same should hold true when joined a porn site. you have to protect yourself and reading something that takes a minute, at best, will make all the difference in the world.

that "i dont think when im horny" excuse doesnt fly. these people are criminals and the companies who process the charge back are accessories to the fact.

get outta here, you know good and well Michael is 48. ;)

All this bashing, all over the place.

Sad.

Ken ad Kjell have ALWAYS run a CLASS operation and I have NO doubt they always will...

Ya know?I been reading the boards the last few days on all the announced changes. Lots of finger pointing ?lots of micro theories about why we are in this state of change again. But for me I believe the cycle of turmoil will always continue in the online porn industry until some basic things change.

As long as companies large and small ,sponsor and free webmaster, practice a collectivist mentality in their business decisions?. in announcements of change?.in product offerings?.in payment options?in traffic generation?in massive inter company/entity dependence for reciprocation of revenue and surfer clicks this industry will continue to operate in fear and loathing of impending doom and chaos. That doesn?t by ANY means negate co brand opportunities with non competitive products ,my company excels in that, it does however mean those decisions should ALL be based on the bottom line?.nor am I inferring that to date we haven?t participated in the above defined fray in some way.

Until Business decisions are made exclusively for monetary and competitive reasons and not by how many stripper parties you through...Limo rides you get...dinners your invited to?photo shot opportunities your offered?the stifling of the natural order of attrition in an industry life cycle, in a business that so desperately needs for it to occur, will continue. Until the taste for the juggler becomes a well honed business practice for this industry and not a watered down version effected by the social aspects of this business, encouraging a kind of PC business sense that expects mini socialism and capitalism to walk hand in hand, we will continue to be in turmoil. Stability in any industry comes through competitive attrition.

Believe this is Old School thinking?think this is out of touch with the society of online porn our business has moved to?.think it isn?t a sustainable premise for business success?I encourage you to read the practices and policies of Microsoft over the last decade.

what's funny is seeing a self proclaimed CASINO operator (rich) digging dirt on fantasyman.......

oh the irony

people that live in glass houses........





































.............pay HIGH heating bills in winnipeg :P

My opinion on Jettis, Fantasyman, Boss and Boss Hawg:

They can all be processing in the back seat of Brad's 1972 Pinto parked in the handicapped parking spot in the Walmart in Bumfuck, Egypt and Stallion approving or dispproving transactions using a magic 8 ball...

Or they can be crossbilling to to a Ku Klux Klan movie site of Klansmen taking off their sheets and showing their tits and ass and fucking black women at Grambling College.

Bottom line, who cares where they process or wether they cross sell, as long as we are getting paid on time and the checks never bounce. I have been dealing with them all for years and never a late payment and never a rubber check...

Bottom line, the industry changes every so often, we adapt to the changes and move on...

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:eek7
okaaaaaaaaa

We are not alone! Change is constant iin all business....................

Sometimes it is for the better (that would be nice) sometimes it isn't; but long term - it all works out in the wash. I guess that is the nature of free enterprise. There are always casualities and mistakes as new technologies mature. It is all about treating a business like a business. It has been interesting watching some of the kids 'just having a good time - mature into businessman. That is survival. Too bad many have not, and still have the same mentality as they did 3 or 4 years ago. There is something to be said for learning from mistakes :-)

What's illegal about what I do? Find an FTC lawsuit against me then we'll talk. I've been operating for many years, obviously very closely watched by several government agencies, and I've never even been accused of any wrong doing. My house is made out of titanium mother fucker, I throw stones for fun.

Every offline business has to adhere to regulations.
We have few, if any, which means that every loophole will be exploited. Truth is, very few genuine business people are in this industry -
Moreover, many of the big guys would have been nobodies say for the internet - We have, in effect, created a leviathon on wheels which needs to be curtailed somewhat.
Too many people here are defending, attacking and hanging on to coat-tails for their own reasons - Without knowing why.
Get rich quick? Get the most for the least effort? Get that extra dollar today?

The surfer is our income.
Make him WANT to buy memberships.
Make him want to KEEP ON BUYING memberships.
FUCK him once, and he will go back to paper mags for his tricks.

Why fuck him at all?
Just so you can pay 10K out in advertising that you will pay webmasters X bucks for each sign up and fuck up the industry altogether?
If that is your reasoning - You are sad -

We need to revitalise this industry - Doing away with free trials, that are not, is a must - In fact, why have a trial at all ? We need to regulate ourselves, before current ethics cause Visa to make bigger inroads into their assuming responsibility to regulate us.

Or are the bigger guns just pushing everything to the limits now, knowing their futures are short and more quick bucks come in handy for their next mansion?

:thumbsup
Well said and very true.
When I told my friends I was starting in this biz I was surprised at the reaction. None of them were concerned about me doing porn nearly as much as they wre concerned about me being perceived as a scam artist. Why? Because all of them said they had bad expirences buying porn on the internet.....They had all felt like they had been fucked over. Charged more than what they thought or the site wouldnt cancel.

Yes there are people who know how to manipulate the system but even worse is the low consumer confidence in what we do.

I used to work in a very high end Department store where people would return worn itmes of clothing. Some of these items cost in the thousands and would come back reaking of cigarette smoke and stained. We always took it back. Why? because you never wanted to embarrasse someone who is spending $$ in your store. These same people would eventually end up buying $$$. And if customers believed you didnt stand behind your return policy they wouldnt come back. From Neiman Marcus to Walmart customers know they can bring things back if its broken or if they don't like.

True online porn is diifferent and some people know the score. But I have never bought anything at walmart got home and noticed that the cashier had stuck an additional $50 worth of items in my sack and charged me for it.

Yes and I for one will be curious to see how companies that CANNOT cross sell now will handle 2000 + signups a day with a $40 PPS and an industry standard of conversion at a round 25% or less.

Some of these sites have not updated content for years except for a handful of shitty plug ins that everyone else has as well.

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BH,

I understand your "potential" concern, however your assumptions are based on very limited information and are 100% false.


1. CECash uses Jettis as well as other processors. Jettis has not consulted with them yet as to the extent of our policy changes, so any business decesions that CECash has made over the last few days regarding payouts, was their decesion, independant of what changes Jettis will be making. Any changes Jettis does make, will apply to all clients, including CECash.

2. FlyntDigital has it's own merchant accounts and only uses Jettis for customer service, gateway and fraud. Therefore, FD makes it's own decesions regarding processing. Any changes Jettis makes will have no effect on FD at all, therefore there is no common grown between CECash and FD processing at Jettis and not lowering their payouts.

Jettis has always been more conservative than most processors and I don't see that changing anytime soon. As always, our business decesions will be made with an eye on the long term.

Jettis will be making a formal statement on any policy changes within the next few days, but in the meantime, I thought it was important to clear this issue up.

thanks for the post, ken :)

it's good to hear direct from the processors rather than just second-guess them.

Funny how Ken skirts this issue... and refuses to acknowledge this..

Make it good news, not bad. :)
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hmmm

Faye unfortunately I don?t see too much learning going on..."Jerry Springer" rhetoric and reaction to a large industry problem...finger pointing and blame games...very professional;)LOL.

Add to that LARGE companies making apparent concurrent corridinated announcements, inferring standardized customer and sales affiliate product price points. Last time I looked at my IBM supervisors manual that is low on the business acumen scale AND probably borders on some lawyers standard of potential price fixing?that?s leadership?...thats savy business sense?..that supports the natural selection of the marketplace?;)

Must have been a concurrent 4th of July epiphany;)

..and Madcap don?t know who you are or what your claim fame may be but my post was aimed at the 10% that really have a clue in this business;)

Did you watch CNN tonight?

Like I said surfers know whats up.

And everyone knows nothing is free. but they do know how to scam the paysites by chargeing back.

Just like they said on CNN . visa and mastercard isn't going to take our side when that surfer uses there card everyday on diner's and shopping.

:1orglaugh

lol

He just wants you to pursue him, try sending flowers ;)

RE: FTC posts

In March 1999 the FTC investigated CE, which is now 4 years ago. They found that our processor DMR was charging our free trials and issuing credits to those who cancelled. At that time we found ourselves that DMR's system could not technically handle free trials properly and they never told us. CE stopped processing with DMR in April 1999.

In April 1999 CE developed their own sign up engine to accomodate pre-auths which are necessary to handle free trials correctly.

Yes, you can read what the FTC alleged and it looks damaging. But if you read what the final decree was, you would see that there was no wrong doing found.

The FTC never judicially filed against CE, CE didn't have 'any' fine, CE didn't pay any redress, CE never had to post a bond. The final ruling was an admininstrative decree by unamimous vote of the FTC's own board members. Didn't see that posted anywhere and it's in the same documents that were paraphrased above.

Since April 1999, CE has handled all free trials and cross sales by the guidelines set down by the FTC and continues to do so. So to blame CE for any of the current Visa, MC, Processor or Paysite owners changes is ludicrous.

CE has never, and will never, participate in 'Multiple Cross Sales' because it is absoutely a formula for failure regarding the chargebacks.

I never said Bosshawg was the single cause of this whole problem. The type of cross selling he was doing was being done by just about everyone that was processing with his processor. The processor is not to blame if Paysite owners abuse the marketing tools they supplied to them.

It's 3:14 am - got back from Vagas tonite, leaving for Cabo with the family in 3 hours and will be gone until next Sunday - so if I don't post any more replies, I'll do so upon my return.

I do have DSL in the condo in Cabo so I'll try to keep up :)

peace out!

ps

xxweekxx I'll never be "OWNED" by anyone, so Go Fuck Yourself!!

Oprano is a leader of the adult industry and to save the industry from itself

1) Oprano no longer accepts credit cards from sponsors

2) Oprano raises it's payouts and we never used "Free trials" or "cross billing"

in cod we trust,
all others cash!

;-))))

Add to that LARGE companies making apparent concurrent corridinated announcements, inferring standardized customer and sales affiliate product price points. Last time I looked at my IBM supervisors manual that is low on the business acumen scale AND probably borders on some lawyers standard of potential price fixing?that?s leadership?...thats savy business sense?..that supports the natural selection of the marketplace?;)

Must have been a concurrent 4th of July epiphany;)

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John,

Couldn't agree with you more on this one. I thought free competetion was what made business work. Seems like some guys don't want to play when they are suddenly at a competitive disadvantage.....

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I like playing hard to get ;)

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I'm in denial about us Chris....what can I say :)

Chris,
don't trust a word he says,
HE STOOD ME UP!!!!
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Sorry Serge....I owe you one ;) I'll explain when I see you next time!

Funny, I thought you liked playing blackjack. ;)

"check" Nice move.

"CE has never, and will never, participate in 'Multiple Cross Sales' because it is absoutely a formula for failure regarding the chargebacks."

Same guy who said in 1998 on Sharky live he would never do a teen site. Never say never.

naaahhhh,
it's actually ME who still owes you one, or two, or three
;-)))

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That too :)

to start with the positive...I've been with Jettis for over a year now, and have been *very* pleased with them. BUT....am I the *only* one who doesn't get reserves returned to him? In 14 months, I've received a grand total of $16.20 in returned reserves. Yes, you read that right, 16 dollars and 20 cents...and the only explanation I get is "when the bank gives back the money, you'll get it."
Am I the only one?

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Mike,

I'll ask someone from Jettis to contact you and provide a full accounting of your reserves.....

Oh no, not the C word :winkwink:

Hey Lenny do you have icq? I have a couple questions about your program :)