How is recurring sponsor better than PPS???? no way! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Ludedude · 07-12-2003, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by Biggy2
recurring sponsors won't shave you..

I can send 1000 clicks to a pay per sign up sponsor, make 1 sale, or zero sales, and get paid either 0 or $35.

Then I can send that 1000 clicks to another recurring program, get 5 sales, and i'm looking at $50 recurring.

Just a point in hand, its hard to pay 35/signup, etc. How do you think sponsors are able to do it, especially since most of the big programs sites are also the most generic ones out there, im sure their retention is kick ass (not)!!

You're missing the rest of the equation. For a program paying per join, there are many many other income streams available in addition to their recurring members and that's how they can afford to pay $35 per join.

Oh, and... 50

xxxdesign-net · 07-12-2003, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by Ludedude

OK...sure...because you don't understand that the percentage is counted across sales + rebills? Jackass...think before you open your mouth. The chargeback ratio is 1/2 of one percent for this account.

so rebills are calculated in the equation?

Jackass? the LudeDude is a bit arrogant today aren't we?

gothweb · 07-12-2003, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

2% chargeback, this one will get close soon

Chargebacks are based on transactions, aren't they? There are a total of 3,408 transactions there, and 19 chargebacks. That's less than 0.5% chargeback.

Blacker · 07-12-2003, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by spooky181
I think it is pretty straight forward, if you are promoting a site with unique content, then a revshare deal will always shine through.

Not only that, but the affiliate programs offer rev-share on their sites have to really take care of their members too, because its all part of the business. So you know that there is alot of effort being put into each individual site that is created for that program, front and back.

Personally, we have one niche voyeur site, and we have members who have been there almost 6 months now, and true, some of them have probably just forgotten, but alot of others put in alot of requests and we update alot of content just to keep the existing members happy.

Of course, this isnt a 'does a members section actually matter' topic, but when you are talking about Rev-Share, then it has to be brought up.

Anyone with any doubts though, try sending some traffic our way if you have any decent voyeur traffic, I guarantee you'll do better then any PPC program out there.

XxXotic · 07-12-2003, 09:28 AM

lets put it this way

i haven't sent oxcash any traffic in almost a year I STILL get checks every 2 weeks

do that with PPS and come back and tell me it's better

TheProfessor · 07-12-2003, 09:35 AM

All programs compete with others. At the end
of the day, what matters is making the most of
each vistior from your site. Our advertisers
say they make a MINIMUM of 5 times what
they make on any competitor site. We have
We front load our PPS payouts so that we
make our profit over the lifetime of the member.
This is a benefit for the traffic provider as they
get their return on clicks much more quickly
than waiting to see if their traffic renews.

I just want our advertising affiliates to make
many more times more than our competitors -
we can do this because our membership is
over 20 TIMES larger - we get over 50,000
members per day over our network - and we
do that by paying big up front.

Ludedude · 07-12-2003, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

so rebills are calculated in the equation?

Jackass? the LudeDude is a bit arrogant today aren't we?

No, arrogant is someone who makes an announcement (with a big

) that a program is over the chargeback % and will be closed soon...when that person has no fucking clue what they're talking about. My apologies for calling you a jackass, you're an ignorant arrogant jackass.

xxxdesign-net · 07-12-2003, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by Ludedude

No, arrogant is someone who makes an announcement (with a big ) that a program is over the chargeback % and will be closed soon...when that person has no fucking clue what they're talking about. My apologies for calling you a jackass, you're an ignorant arrogant jackass.

ahah, good God I needed that laugh

now how cool are you?! Who are you trying to immitate? SleazyDReam? Amp? It sounds fake, REALLY!

Now go work on your fake personality! And stop the name calling, I cant take it anymore!

xxxdesign-net · 07-12-2003, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by Ludedude

ignorant arrogant jackass.

3 in a row! You are going for the kill! Thats a knock out

Dopy · 07-12-2003, 10:04 AM

I have worked recurring programs for just over 3 years now and most of my daily work is based on recurring stats alone. Every site I use gets checked out on the inside before I even consider wasting time on promotion work.

I have many members that have been under me for over 2 years and a lot more over 1 year.

Three things inspired me before I started this business.

1. The Huns attitude to surfers.

2. The message that?s always been at the foot of the BOB webmaster page http://www.blacksonblondes.com/partners/

3. Words from my first ICQ chat with an experienced webmaster - "keep your head down and your fucking mouth shut"

It all depends on what your long term plans are. Mine was to invest every penny into real estate. A consistent income was required to do this and my decision to concentrate on recurring programs has paid off.

Nardimus · 07-12-2003, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by kmanrox

i suck at math, but to beat around the bush if you can swing pulling your weight and get 65 percent of a kick ass retaining program like http://oliver-klozov.com then you are going to make a killing.... all exclusive, all original, pro work... that keeps memebrs happy....

that site can have all the best retention % it wants, but that is one of the weakest tours ive ever seen.

Donnie Gangsta · 07-12-2003, 07:58 PM

Uh.. recurring programs are a shitload better..

that line of reasoning was the stupidest I've heard.. no offense.

With recurring, you would get like 150 sign ups to the 100 w/per sign up..

so run the #'s with that..

Tanker · 07-12-2003, 07:58 PM

The whole reason the PPS model came about was the sponser knows that recurring is where the money is its cheaper to pay you 35 dollars a sign up then keep you on the recurring

the recurring is what the whole industry is based on

Tanker · 07-12-2003, 08:00 PM

I would much rather give you 35 bucks a signup on Lightspeed18 then give you the 3 to 5 months that the surfer is sitting around in there its a hell of a lot cheaper to pay you PPS

and if for some reason you get sick or cant work you got a base of recurring you can count on

Tanker · 07-12-2003, 08:01 PM

thats just my

slackologist · 07-12-2003, 08:09 PM

a good recurring sponsor ( usually not any of the large programs) can be a great addition to your business.

saying one is better than the other is like saying oranges are better than apples.. find a good recurring program and add it into your mix.

i got lucky and found a RC'ing sponsor that makes more per signup and per click than any PS sponsor i have. even if shit hits the fan & my sites are down for a week+ i still get paid, no worries. it's good to have some elastic in your cash flow.

CDSmith · 07-12-2003, 08:13 PM

Send traffic to both per-signup and partnership programs.

That's what the pros do

Nardimus · 07-12-2003, 08:29 PM

thankyou everyone who proved me wrong or said otherwise to my muffed up math.

my whole goal of this post was to feel good about leaving PPS behind and moving on.

with all your input im going to be doing just that.

CDSmith · 07-12-2003, 08:36 PM

Fuck the math. What's to figure out??

You send 100 signups to a partnership sponsor in month 1.

In month 2 you send another 100 signups, but you also get 40 to 60 rebills that you wouldn't have with a pps.

in month 3 you send another 100 signups, plus you get another 40-60 rebills from month 2, and a further 30-40 rebills from month 1. It steamrolls.

By month 6 you could have 200 rebills coming in plus your usual amount of signups. If done right, a partnership program can have way WAY more power for you than any per-signup. Both types of programs have their uses, if you're smart about it you'll use both, and figure out how to use them effectively. If you're not smart, you'll do it your way. Good luck either way.

Snake Doctor · 07-12-2003, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Show me the math, or shut up.

I'm not going to show you my numbers, and you're not going to show me yours, but I can tell you why partnership programs are better for ME.

You're always saying "show me a partnership with trials that makes you more than $30 a signup"
I'll give you the same reply you give to everyone who accuses a sponsor of shaving or wonders why you paid 30 per s/u when others were paying 40.

THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE SIZE OF THE CHECK

As a free site operator, the most accurate way for me to measure my stats is to look at how many $$ I make per 100K visitors to my pages. (not to the sponsors)
Measuring per click revenue isn't very accurate because not all clicks are created equal (banner clicks vs blind links vs 404 traffic etc)
Also, not all sponsors count clicks the same way (first page, second page, raw, unique, etc etc)

All I can do is put advertising on my free pages and then see how much revenue those free pages generate.

I'll concede that I don't make $30 per partnership sign up, its not even close to that. But I get SO MANY MORE sign ups with the partnerships that I promote that I still make a lot more money advertising recurring programs than I ever did advertising pay per sign up programs.

Why? Some would say shaving. That is of course a possibility.

Maybe a per sign up programs sites are designed to convert 1 in 1000 or worse on purpose, because their business model requires them to make a lot of money off of exits, collecting emails with those little boxes on the tour pages, redirecting foreign traffic to dialers etc. (In other words, you as the program owner make a lot more money if I convert 1 in 2000 and a lot less if I convert 1 in 200)

Whereas the partnership program only makes money off of new joins + rebills, so they're designed to convert and retain. They have to convert well to keep webmasters sending traffic because they don't have a $40 carrot to dangle in front of you.

Also, alot of pay per sign up programs don't pay you for check signups, or on joins through the backup processor. That's 20-30% of joins that you're not getting paid for by sending traffic to a per sign up program.
That just knocked a $30 per sign up payout down to $21, since my partnership programs pay me on both check joins and the backup processor.

There are other factors to consider as well, but this post is already long enough.......my main point is of course
THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE SIZE OF THE CHECK, and my checks are way bigger with partnership programs.

Drake · 07-12-2003, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by Gunni

Sorry, don't have time to read all the replies so I donðt know if some one said this.

Don't you see that the sponsers must make money when they pay you per signup! If the case was that the rebills wouldn't cover it then they wouldn't do it, simle as that. Rebills will make you more money in the long haul

Gunni hit the argument dead center.

Why do you think programs offer PPS programs in the first place?
Do you think a program is willing to pay you $70 on a signup to be nice?

No, they do it because they know they will make MORE than $70 on those signups through the recurs. And if that fails, well, then the razor gets turned on (??? - only speculating).

The very fact that programs offer PPS means that recurring is better than PPS. Without good recurring, PPS programs could not exist.

Drake · 07-12-2003, 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by Tanker
The whole reason the PPS model came about was the sponser knows that recurring is where the money is its cheaper to pay you 35 dollars a sign up then keep you on the recurring

the recurring is what the whole industry is based on

Ok, tanker said everything that I did, but better. Read above, that's how it works. Recurring rules and *is* the *only* form of program that really exists. Doing anything else, like PPS, will only get you short changed.

twist · 07-12-2003, 09:21 PM

I am not a big fan of PPS, there's probably a catch mostly. How can they pay 30$ ps if they don't have recurrings ?

90% of my sales are for partnership-sites, and it's just seems more fair for everyone (site, reseller and customer).

gregtx · 07-12-2003, 09:25 PM

sure there are always exceptions... and if there were not any revshare/partnerships that worked all webmasters would send their traffic to pps...

but.. when I am approached by a revshare... I just tell them.. .great.. if you retain so well... we are helping you out.. just pay us the $35/join.. and you will get rich from the amount of retaining traffic sent.. .but none of the revshare/partnership companies have stepped up to the plate.. except lightspeed recently ;-)

so sure.. if they work for you great.. but just look at the largest... money making programs out there.. and 90% of them are all pps... b/c most webmasters like to get paid up front.. therefore the traffic is sent to those proggies... not an opinioni.. just a fact...

07-12-2003, 09:28 AM	#55
XxXotic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Da Swamps Posts: 8,500	lets put it this way i haven't sent oxcash any traffic in almost a year I STILL get checks every 2 weeks do that with PPS and come back and tell me it's better __________________ Sponsors.. Tired of people not using your shitty RSS Feeds? Let Us Help You! Oxeo - Serious Hosting For Serious Webmasters. iCQ:135.887013

07-12-2003, 09:35 AM	#56
TheProfessor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 103	All programs compete with others. At the end of the day, what matters is making the most of each vistior from your site. Our advertisers say they make a MINIMUM of 5 times what they make on any competitor site. We have We front load our PPS payouts so that we make our profit over the lifetime of the member. This is a benefit for the traffic provider as they get their return on clicks much more quickly than waiting to see if their traffic renews. I just want our advertising affiliates to make many more times more than our competitors - we can do this because our membership is over 20 TIMES larger - we get over 50,000 members per day over our network - and we do that by paying big up front. __________________ CEO, Friend Finder The company you can trust for the highest personals payout - AdultFriendFinder.com (up to $173/order or $1.00/uni), Cams.com(crazy-high webcam conversions), ALT.com(up to $173/order or $1.00/uni), OutPersonals.com (up to $173/order or $1.00/uni), Friend Finder (up to $2/free member,100% cut), Amigos.com, and more!. Make money from chinese, indian, filipino, and korean traffic (no dialer or CCs needed!)

07-12-2003, 07:58 PM	#63
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	The whole reason the PPS model came about was the sponser knows that recurring is where the money is its cheaper to pay you 35 dollars a sign up then keep you on the recurring the recurring is what the whole industry is based on __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

07-12-2003, 08:00 PM	#64
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	I would much rather give you 35 bucks a signup on Lightspeed18 then give you the 3 to 5 months that the surfer is sitting around in there its a hell of a lot cheaper to pay you PPS and if for some reason you get sick or cant work you got a base of recurring you can count on __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

07-12-2003, 08:01 PM	#65
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	thats just my __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

07-12-2003, 10:04 AM	#60
Dopy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Puerto Del Carmen, Lanzarote, Canary Islands Posts: 1,572	I have worked recurring programs for just over 3 years now and most of my daily work is based on recurring stats alone. Every site I use gets checked out on the inside before I even consider wasting time on promotion work. I have many members that have been under me for over 2 years and a lot more over 1 year. Three things inspired me before I started this business. 1. The Huns attitude to surfers. 2. The message that?s always been at the foot of the BOB webmaster page http://www.blacksonblondes.com/partners/ 3. Words from my first ICQ chat with an experienced webmaster - "keep your head down and your fucking mouth shut" It all depends on what your long term plans are. Mine was to invest every penny into real estate. A consistent income was required to do this and my decision to concentrate on recurring programs has paid off.

07-12-2003, 07:58 PM	#62
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Uh.. recurring programs are a shitload better.. that line of reasoning was the stupidest I've heard.. no offense. With recurring, you would get like 150 sign ups to the 100 w/per sign up.. so run the #'s with that..

07-12-2003, 08:09 PM	#66
slackologist Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 2,379	a good recurring sponsor ( usually not any of the large programs) can be a great addition to your business. saying one is better than the other is like saying oranges are better than apples.. find a good recurring program and add it into your mix. i got lucky and found a RC'ing sponsor that makes more per signup and per click than any PS sponsor i have. even if shit hits the fan & my sites are down for a week+ i still get paid, no worries. it's good to have some elastic in your cash flow.

07-12-2003, 08:13 PM	#67
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Send traffic to both per-signup and partnership programs. That's what the pros do __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

07-12-2003, 08:29 PM	#68
Nardimus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 418	thankyou everyone who proved me wrong or said otherwise to my muffed up math. my whole goal of this post was to feel good about leaving PPS behind and moving on. with all your input im going to be doing just that.

07-12-2003, 08:36 PM	#69
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Fuck the math. What's to figure out?? You send 100 signups to a partnership sponsor in month 1. In month 2 you send another 100 signups, but you also get 40 to 60 rebills that you wouldn't have with a pps. in month 3 you send another 100 signups, plus you get another 40-60 rebills from month 2, and a further 30-40 rebills from month 1. It steamrolls. By month 6 you could have 200 rebills coming in plus your usual amount of signups. If done right, a partnership program can have way WAY more power for you than any per-signup. Both types of programs have their uses, if you're smart about it you'll use both, and figure out how to use them effectively. If you're not smart, you'll do it your way. Good luck either way. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

07-12-2003, 09:21 PM	#73
twist Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 415	I am not a big fan of PPS, there's probably a catch mostly. How can they pay 30$ ps if they don't have recurrings ? 90% of my sales are for partnership-sites, and it's just seems more fair for everyone (site, reseller and customer). __________________ I love big boobs.

07-12-2003, 09:25 PM	#74
gregtx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,929	sure there are always exceptions... and if there were not any revshare/partnerships that worked all webmasters would send their traffic to pps... but.. when I am approached by a revshare... I just tell them.. .great.. if you retain so well... we are helping you out.. just pay us the $35/join.. and you will get rich from the amount of retaining traffic sent.. .but none of the revshare/partnership companies have stepped up to the plate.. except lightspeed recently ;-) so sure.. if they work for you great.. but just look at the largest... money making programs out there.. and 90% of them are all pps... b/c most webmasters like to get paid up front.. therefore the traffic is sent to those proggies... not an opinioni.. just a fact... __________________ Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.com