Registrar Theft, do you agree? - GoFuckYourself.com

lawked · 06-18-2003, 06:40 PM

When a domain expires, some registrars modify the Nameservers
so that they can have search pages (PPC pages) loading on YOUR domain.

Do you think this is theft? Why should they benefit from the thousands of domains going thru REDEMPTIONPERIOD and the sorts and make millions off them.

Personally, I think it's theft. If you forget to pay your mortgage
with the bank... does that give the bank the right to change
the locks and move in? Fuck no.

LiveDose · 06-18-2003, 06:45 PM

fight the power!

lawked · 06-18-2003, 06:50 PM

Fight the theft. I hope they do it to a huge corporations domain and they get their ass tuned. Either the domain works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then pay for it. If it does, it should be pointed at the owners site

detoxed · 06-18-2003, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by lawked
If you forget to pay your mortgage
with the bank... does that give the bank the right to change
the locks and move in? Fuck no.

Yeah it does, if you dont pay your mortgage, they repo, if you forget to pay for your domain, its not YOUR domain anymore. They can do whatever the fuck they want with it.

lawked · 06-18-2003, 08:25 PM

You obviously missed the boat. A bank will recoup their loses after 3-4 months of not paying your mortgage. They want to square up the deal. They don't change your locks and move in after 10 days.

A registrar did not front anything towards the domain, they are
making millions off these domains and you like it? PPC pages
fuck up the internet...

Fro · 06-18-2003, 08:26 PM

Pay the fucking renewal fees you cheap bitch.

lawked · 06-18-2003, 08:30 PM

Take it in the ass you kinky bitch.

Fro · 06-18-2003, 08:35 PM

What's the problem lawked? Missed the renewal notice and now you're pissed that your registrar wants $100 instead of $10?

If the name's worth more than $69, someone already has a SnapBack registration on it. Pay the fee or you'll lose the name.

Mr.Fiction · 06-18-2003, 08:36 PM

They control the domain between when it expires and when it drops, it's not theft.

detoxed · 06-18-2003, 08:39 PM

exactly. they arent stealing anything. you didnt pay by the deadline so they shut it off. phone company does the same thing.

psyko514 · 06-18-2003, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by lawked
You obviously missed the boat. A bank will recoup their loses after 3-4 months of not paying your mortgage. They want to square up the deal. They don't change your locks and move in after 10 days.

they may do that. but they have the right to take your house if you're a day late on the payment.

you're in a contract with them. if you breach the contract, they can take what's theirs.

Luc · 06-18-2003, 08:58 PM

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When a domain expires, some registrars modify the Nameservers

which registrars exactly? where are you getting this info from?

i run a service that generates drop lists and we monitor some
2,000,000+ domains non stop. i've never seen any of the
top 20 registrars (because that's basically all you ever see)
do this.

sure it isn't "fair". if they point your site to ppc for a few
days it may get indexed by a search engine and you might
lose your keyword placement.

then again, in most cases you can only blame yourself when
crap like this happens. under race circumstances, the registrar
never bothers to send out a renewal notice in which case
you're still screwed, but it wasn't "technically" your fault.

luc l.

MetaMan · 06-18-2003, 08:59 PM

fuck if i was a register, id take all the chinese and pakies ppls domains and forward it to hardcore beast porn.

lawked · 06-18-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Fro
What's the problem lawked? Missed the renewal notice and now you're pissed that your registrar wants $100 instead of $10?

If the name's worth more than $69, someone already has a SnapBack registration on it. Pay the fee or you'll lose the name.

No that's not the case. I'm getting pissed off clicking in yahoo categories and getting a fucking GoDaddy page.

With 25,000+ domains coming available today... that's a lot of PPC pages. Thankfully all registrars aren't doing it.

As for the phone company comment, phone companies don't make millions off your disconnected phone.

You guys like the system, I dislike it. We agree to disagree then

detoxed · 06-18-2003, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

they may do that. but they have the right to take your house if you're a day late on the payment.

you're in a contract with them. if you breach the contract, they can take what's theirs.

yeah, didnt you ever watch Dukes of Hazzard? if they didnt get their payment to the big man on time he was gonna fuck them over!

psyko514 · 06-18-2003, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed

yeah, didnt you ever watch Dukes of Hazzard? if they didnt get their payment to the big man on time he was gonna fuck them over!

no, i never watched that show... before my time.

aside from your above comment, it's nice to know there's someone else here with half a brain, some common sense and some logic here.

Fro · 06-18-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by lawked

No that's not the case. I'm getting pissed off clicking in yahoo categories and getting a fucking GoDaddy page.

Well, as long as you keep clicking away in Yahoo cats, I'll keep making money. I'm glad someone still visits those wretched indexes.

chodadog · 06-18-2003, 09:11 PM

Note: Once the registration period is over, the domain is no longer registered to you. For the grace period, the registrar can and should point it to wherever the fuck they want.

Pay the fucking 10 dollars to have it renewed, and stop your bitching, you cheap motherfucker.

lawked · 06-18-2003, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

no, i never watched that show... before my time.

aside from your above comment, it's nice to know there's someone else here with half a brain, some common sense and some logic here.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Take the conversation from legitmacy to an attack.

Kinky. Should the war start today or tomorrow?

I take offense, especially coming from a French Canadian. You bitches can split

psyko514 · 06-18-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by lawked

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Take the conversation from legitmacy to an attack. Kinky. Should the war start today or tomorrow?

I take offense, especially coming from a French Canadian. You bitches can split

#1 - I'm not French Canadian.
#2 - I'm attacking everyone here, aside from detoxed, so don't feel special.
#3 - Put together some coherent sentences. It'll help your credibility.

Fro · 06-18-2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

#1 - I'm not French Canadian.

Fuck you too, Froggy.

psyko514 · 06-18-2003, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by Fro

Fuck you too, Froggy.

Um, ok?

For the record, based on your replies in this thread (aside from the above one), you seem to have some common sense too.

Fro · 06-18-2003, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

Um, ok?

For the record, based on your replies in this thread (aside from the above one), you seem to have some common sense too.

Thanks! I'm just stirring the pot!

psyko514 · 06-18-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Fro

Thanks! I'm just stirring the pot!

Where in Mee-chi-gaan are ya, if you don't mind my asking?

Fro · 06-18-2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

Where in Mee-chi-gaan are ya, if you don't mind my asking?

Oh, no problem at all! I'm in Pontiac, but I'm relocating a little further South pretty soon.

lawked · 06-18-2003, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

#1 - I'm not French Canadian.
#2 - I'm attacking everyone here, aside from detoxed, so don't feel special.
#3 - Put together some coherent sentences. It'll help your credibility.

#1 --> Sure you are.
#2 --> Of course.
#3 --> Sorry, je ne parle pas francais.

psyko514 · 06-18-2003, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by lawked
#3 --> Sorry, je ne parle pas francais.

where are you from?

lawked · 06-18-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

where are you from?

New Brunswick.

lawked · 06-18-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by lawked

New Brunswick.

Je suis dans Calgary mentenant.

psyko514 · 06-18-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by lawked

New Brunswick.

cool

are you Acadian? or did you just have a good French teacher?

lawked · 06-18-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

cool

are you Acadian? or did you just have a good French teacher?

Born and raised in Vancouver until 9, penticton for a year and half, then New Brunswick. Took french in school back east.

Are you Acadian?

psyko514 · 06-18-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by lawked

Born and raised in Vancouver until 9, penticton for a year and half, then New Brunswick. Took french in school back east.

Are you Acadian?

Nope, I'm a Quebec-born anglophone.

Rich · 06-18-2003, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by lawked

Personally, I think it's theft. If you forget to pay your mortgage
with the bank... does that give the bank the right to change
the locks and move in? Fuck no.

Try not paying your mortgage, of coarse they'll take your house.

UnseenWorld · 06-18-2003, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Yeah it does, if you dont pay your mortgage, they repo, if you forget to pay for your domain, its not YOUR domain anymore. They can do whatever the fuck they want with it.

Why? Does it then belong to them? Did they pay for it the way the prior owner did? It seems nobody owns it at that point.

lawked · 06-19-2003, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Why? Does it then belong to them? Did they pay for it the way the prior owner did? It seems nobody owns it at that point.

Fina-fucking-lee. Someone gets it

Why the hell should they be raking in the millions without shelling out any money?

Think, 25,000 domains today.. 25000 tomorrow.. essentially the possibility is for 25Kx30 lets say. They have 45 days before they have to pay the 6 dollars to verisign so they give the client 10 days.. that gives them 35 days to advertise for free and make huge bank.

Nobody cares... a while back itech.com expired and I called them. They reregistered. It's too bad they werent' with GoDaddy let's say. They've got the money to fuck a registrar up.. I can't wait until it happens.

Mr.Fiction · 06-19-2003, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Why? Does it then belong to them? Did they pay for it the way the prior owner did? It seems nobody owns it at that point.

The deal that the registrar has with the registry is that they pay the registry for the domain and they get to keep it for something like 1 year + 45 days. The deal you have with the registrar is that you pay them and you get to keep it for 1 year.

The difference in days between those two deals is the time in which the registrar controls the domain and you have no rights to it. Most registrars will allow you to renew it after that time, but they don't let you use it.

I understand how the registrars doing this could present a conflict of interest of sorts, but on the other hand, they probably have the right to do it. If you have a problem with it, complain to ICANN. They're always looking out for the best interest of internet users.

lawked · 06-19-2003, 01:39 AM

Brujah · 06-19-2003, 01:43 AM

What do you think about the Registrars that profit by Selling the expired names and bypassing the Redemption Period process altogether ?

Example: Your domain expires. 10 days later it's sold to highest bidder for $80 or so.

lawked · 06-19-2003, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
What do you think about the Registrars that profit by Selling the expired names and bypassing the Redemption Period process altogether ?

Example: Your domain expires. 10 days later it's sold to highest bidder for $80 or so.

I disagree with it. The registrar shouldn't be able to resell something they paid nothing for. They actually made profit when you registered the domain, and then they make double the profit.

I guess I need to be a registrar, wanna back me and help do the programming Brujah?

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06-18-2003, 06:40 PM	#1
lawked Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 354	Registrar Theft, do you agree? When a domain expires, some registrars modify the Nameservers so that they can have search pages (PPC pages) loading on YOUR domain. Do you think this is theft? Why should they benefit from the thousands of domains going thru REDEMPTIONPERIOD and the sorts and make millions off them. Personally, I think it's theft. If you forget to pay your mortgage with the bank... does that give the bank the right to change the locks and move in? Fuck no.

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06-18-2003, 06:50 PM	#3
lawked Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 354	Fight the theft. I hope they do it to a huge corporations domain and they get their ass tuned. Either the domain works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then pay for it. If it does, it should be pointed at the owners site

06-18-2003, 08:25 PM	#5
lawked Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 354	You obviously missed the boat. A bank will recoup their loses after 3-4 months of not paying your mortgage. They want to square up the deal. They don't change your locks and move in after 10 days. A registrar did not front anything towards the domain, they are making millions off these domains and you like it? PPC pages fuck up the internet...

06-18-2003, 08:30 PM	#7
lawked Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 354	Take it in the ass you kinky bitch.

06-18-2003, 08:36 PM	#9
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	They control the domain between when it expires and when it drops, it's not theft.

06-18-2003, 08:39 PM	#10
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	exactly. they arent stealing anything. you didnt pay by the deadline so they shut it off. phone company does the same thing.

06-18-2003, 08:59 PM	#13
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	fuck if i was a register, id take all the chinese and pakies ppls domains and forward it to hardcore beast porn.