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DarkJedi · 07-02-2003, 09:25 AM

Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

JDog · 07-02-2003, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

Exactly, that's the way I think!

jDoG

Calvinguy · 07-02-2003, 09:28 AM

Still alive?

DarkJedi · 07-02-2003, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by Calvinguy
Still alive?

yeah

RRRED · 07-02-2003, 09:46 AM

Mike AI · 07-02-2003, 09:50 AM

DJ - Do you have any idea how many employees at Microsoft, that Bill Gates made millionaires of? I do not know the exact amount off hand, but it is a HUGE amount of people...

How many millionaires have you made?

Mr.Wong · 07-02-2003, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

It's because society wants you to be professionals, like doctors, lawyers, computer scientists, not idiots getting a communication degrees and working at The Gap. If you actually go to school for something specialized you can easily make a small fortune without the hassle of running a business.

07-02-2003, 10:00 AM

I think most people in this business have the same philosophy, Jedi. If we didn't want to build our fortunes on our own, we'd be working a 9-5 at the nearest quicky mart.

Peter Romero · 07-02-2003, 10:02 AM

I work for my customers

MrPopup · 07-02-2003, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

Agreed. Everybody has to start somewhere.

You have to eke out a living one crumb at a time but the path to success is revealed to the independent entrepreneur through perseverance.

Dax · 07-02-2003, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
DJ - Do you have any idea how many employees at Microsoft, that Bill Gates made millionaires of? I do not know the exact amount off hand, but it is a HUGE amount of people...

How many millionaires have you made?

I was going to say that... tons of companies have made their employees millionaires.. now the percentage of that happening to your typical mcdonalds employee is very small...

Besides you ALWAYS work for someone... always... otherwise you would have no income.. cuz some one has to pay u ;)

pheal · 07-02-2003, 10:04 AM

Being you own boss is the most important. I don't care if I'm millionaire but not having to follow orders is great.

Dopy · 07-02-2003, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

Yes working as an oil exploration engineer thats why my brother is worth several million dollars has had a relativly stress free life and travelled the world as a free lunch.

At 43 he now sits back in Thailand living in obscene luxury.

Mike AI · 07-02-2003, 10:16 AM

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Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.

I do not think US society pushes that as much as other cultures. The success of the United States has been the fact that society pushes people to do their own thing. The Entrepreneur spirit is the one this Nation was founded on, and allowed us to become the #1 Superpower.

In reference to Microsoft, 30 years ago Bill Gates as a geeky college drop out starting his own small company with a few employees....

Sly_RJ · 07-02-2003, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
DJ - Do you have any idea how many employees at Microsoft, that Bill Gates made millionaires of? I do not know the exact amount off hand, but it is a HUGE amount of people...

How many millionaires have you made?

Microsoft is an exception. As are a few other companies. A good chunk of those millionaires are sitting on their loot because they worked their stock options well.

If you want to get "rich" working for the man, you either need to be REALLY good or fall in the right hands at the right time.

Eric · 07-02-2003, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Microsoft is an exception. As are a few other companies. A good chunk of those millionaires are sitting on their loot because they worked their stock options well.

If you want to get "rich" working for the man, you either need to be REALLY good or fall in the right hands at the right time.

What if you are really good and fall into the right hands at the right time. Does that give you an even better edge!?

bobv50 · 07-02-2003, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Mike AI

I do not think US society pushes that as much as other cultures. The success of the United States has been the fact that society pushes people to do their own thing. The Entrepreneur spirit is the one this Nation was founded on, and allowed us to become the #1 Superpower.

In reference to Microsoft, 30 years ago Bill Gates as a geeky college drop out starting his own small company with a few employees....

"GFY band plays "Star Spangle Banner"

I thought the US became the #1 Superpower because of 400 plus years of FREE SLAVE LABOR ....Oh yeah not to mention the FREE Land from those nice Indian people...Sounds like "The Entrepreneur Spirit" at it's best

bobv

RedShoe · 07-02-2003, 10:56 AM

Well DJ, I guess you finally got Kiosaki's book as well. It changed me the first time I read it as well. I bought a copy and had it sent to a guy in Detroit, I bought one for AMP (he didn't have a tape player so we took it back, and he doesn't have time to read) I bought it for my sister....

It's a good book.

liquidmoe · 07-02-2003, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by bobv50

"GFY band plays "Star Spangle Banner"
I thought the US became the #1 Superpower because of 400 plus years of FREE SLAVE LABOR ....Oh yeah not to mention the FREE Land from those nice Indian people...Sounds like "The Entrepreneur Spirit" at it's best

bobv

Dont forget the collapse of Europe after WWII. America hasnt had a war on its soil in a while so it hasnt had to suffer setbacks in its progress while other nations have had to rebuild.

bobv50 · 07-02-2003, 11:01 AM

@ redshoe ...Man I tried to click your sig..but the guy is too fast..

RedShoe · 07-02-2003, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by bobv50
@ redshoe ...Man I tried to click your sig..but the guy is too fast..

I just noticed you were from Texas.
Just put your mouse in the middle of the sig's path and click like a wild man. You'll hit it soon enough.

stevecore · 07-02-2003, 11:12 AM

"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion" L. Ron Hubbard.

Rochard · 07-02-2003, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

Want to make a bet? I can walk away from this industry at any time. My boss can't.

And I'm making bank.

TheViper · 07-02-2003, 11:14 AM

You are partly right DarkJedi, but some people become doctors and DO make a lot of money (it is just what your vision is about a "fortune").

But indeed, the real rich guys started their own business, creative people get rich, not the average stereotype 9 to 5 guy.

Sly_RJ · 07-02-2003, 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard

Want to make a bet? I can walk away from this industry at any time. My boss can't.

And I'm making bank.

Please read above. My statement still stands true.

RedShoe · 07-02-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by stevecore
"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion" L. Ron Hubbard.

believe it or not, I'm actually an ordained minister. I told them I was part native american, and that my name was RedShoe. They believed me.

- Reverand RedShoe

Mr. Jim · 07-02-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by shermsshack
we'd be working a 9-5 at the nearest quicky mart.

Quickie Mart....What's wrong with Quickie marts

I own five of them.....

bobv50 · 07-02-2003, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by RedShoe

I just noticed you were from Texas.
Just put your mouse in the middle of the sig's path and click like a wild man. You'll hit it soon enough.

It worked!!Itworked!! Yall City Fellerz sure have Nice sigz. Mine just sits there all day?

bobv

hardjoko1 · 07-02-2003, 11:44 AM

When I was just a little boy, I ask my teacher what this garbage courses is for?

I got to memorize a lot of dates, names, and places. I had to remember what shit some books author or music composer wrote. I think it is USELESS. They said it is NECESSARY.

Now I half agree with them. It is indeed necessary to turn us into working class drone. What they don't tell is that it is of course not necessary for our well being :D

If government don't regulate economy and education than going to school is probably not bad. But with all governments act, I need to have a business. I am glad I did.

Naughty · 07-02-2003, 11:51 AM

I know plenty of people who made a ton of money working for somebody else. Plus, the boss can go bankrupt and have nothing but dept, while the emplyee just walks away with all the cash he made.

DarkJedi · 07-02-2003, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard

Want to make a bet? I can walk away from this industry at any time. My boss can't.

And I'm making bank.

ok, why cant your boss walk away ?

and how much do you make ? i'm sure your boss makes atleast 10x more

stevecore · 07-02-2003, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by RedShoe

believe it or not, I'm actually an ordained minister. I told them I was part native american, and that my name was RedShoe. They believed me.

- Reverand RedShoe

i got ordained years ago on the web... some goofy lil website but yeah, it's apparently legit.

SleazyDream · 07-02-2003, 11:55 AM

lots of people get rich working as an employee of others.

actors, specialists, athetes, etc.

rememeber THESE words if you want to get rich.

If you want to get rich you need to be able to do what other people can't do or won't do.

that's the key - that's it. period.

chowda · 07-02-2003, 11:56 AM

wow.. did a bunch of u guys just read robert kiyosaki's book or something? lol

B Sandwich · 07-02-2003, 12:12 PM

no comment

mrbling · 07-02-2003, 12:20 PM

sleazydream build his business on
writing porn stories and pics..

something nobody else in the whole world can do

FlyingIguana · 07-02-2003, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

college grads on avg make 20k a year more. so yes it does help. you need more than just a degree to get 'rich'

tomax · 07-02-2003, 12:22 PM

dont forget all the yahoo millionaires. Even the secrataries made millions. Also fo ever self employed person that makes it huge there are tons who lose it all and end up working for someone else anyway.

Shoplifter · 07-02-2003, 12:23 PM

I tell this to people every day...but no one listens.

Mike AI · 07-02-2003, 12:40 PM

bobv you are a freaking idiot.

Every nation, culture has had slaves. Why aren't they are the top of the food chain? What about in sub-Saharah Africa where slaves are still used? When are they going to become a world power?

The Unites Stated became a world power AFTER slavery, start around the Spanish-American war....

The US is the only Nation to fight a war over slavery, and to abolish it.

The US became and is the #1 economic power because of the freedom we have to start our own business, take risks, and do our own thing. Very few places around the world are as easy to start your own company, and start doing business. We also let people who create wealth keep it and not tax it all away.

Of course the past 50 years the Federal and State gov't have been making it rougher, and taxing companies more - but compaired to the rest of the world its still a better system.

Funny how the USA haters always pop up in the threads....

evilpurple · 07-02-2003, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI

The US is the only Nation to fight a war over slavery, and to abolish it.

Uhhm... Plenty of nations stopped slavery simply by passing a law banning it, and then ensuring that law was upheld. The US was one of very few nations where so many people depended economically on slave labor that abolishing slavery was met with so much resistance that abolition of slavery ended in military conflict.

I don't exactly think the fact that you had to endure years of civil war to be able to abolish slavery is something to seemingly be proud of.

And remember that even after abolition of slavery, the US benefitted greatly from it economically for decades thanks to segregation and a wide variety of methods used to keep the black population down that ensured that they remained extremely cheap labor.

I don't agree with the post that tried to pin all of the US' success on slavery and "free" land, but slavery DID clearly play a part - it was vital in the economy of the south in particular for a long time.

However, another, often overlooked reason, is that the US have led the way on trade protectionism ever since independence. It's quite interesting, considering that so much of the opposition against British rule was a result of British levies on the colonies, that the US learned the lesson so well and ever since have used trade restrictions, subsidies, import and export duties etc. on an unprecedented scale to ensure domestic companies get preferential treatment.

Interestingly, that is the exact opposite of what the typical US free trade, free market rethoric would indicate.

BradShaw · 07-02-2003, 01:19 PM

Working for the man may be fine for someone else, but I have told myself since I was 15, I would never work for anyone. I believe in the golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rules. I like to make the rules.

I have made atleast one millionaire.

Thrawn$ · 07-02-2003, 01:22 PM

Get rich or die trying

theWatsonian · 07-02-2003, 01:22 PM

I ain't the man, yet, but I'm working on it.

evilpurple · 07-02-2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI

The US became and is the #1 economic power because of the freedom we have to start our own business, take risks, and do our own thing. Very few places around the world are as easy to start your own company, and start doing business. We also let people who create wealth keep it and not tax it all away.

Of course the past 50 years the Federal and State gov't have been making it rougher, and taxing companies more - but compaired to the rest of the world its still a better system.

I just had to comment on this bit too... Less tax, than who? I just recently actually bothered to check what I'd be taxed in the US, and of course it would vary a lot between states and counties, but the end result I found was that I'd be taxed approximately the same in the US and UK, with a significantly above average salary.

When I worked in Norway, which is typically presented as a high tax country, on a more "normal" salary, I was taxed about the same as the same salary would have been taxed in the US as well, though in Norway I would have been taxed more if my salary had been extremely high.

Same goes for companies in most cases - taxation of companies in the US isn't particlarly lower than elsewhere.

Low US tax is a myth. I pay about 32% tax in the UK at present, and US federal tax at my income level + state taxes in any of the states I'd consider living in + local taxes would end up around the same level. Considering that I get more for my tax money in the UK (I don't NEED a health insurance to feel safe, for instance), I'm pretty happy.

The interesting part, though, is that the US tax brackets weight taxation much less towards high earners than most European countries do, and consequently an average earner in the UK would likely end up paying MORE tax in the US if he or she moved to the same states I would consider... Certainly the math could look different for some US states... But then not all states are made equal :-)

katdaddy · 07-02-2003, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

i use to believe that going to college was the best course of action but as we can see with all the current corporate scandals and monthly increase in the jobless rate/unemployment rate nobody is safe.

shit Im wondering if might have to work at McDonalds ... head of flipping burgers :D!

Mike AI · 07-02-2003, 04:26 PM

EP - you are right on some of your points. The tax rate in the US has grown a lot, and this has hurt business.

Also that the English Navy is what allowed the US to grow into the world power. The Monroe Doctrine, and other similiar doctrines were prety much enforced by the English Navy....

The UK kept European powers out of the Western Hemisphere, and allowed the US to develop into its own nation.... This is one of the reasons we have such a close bond to the UK today.

Thanks for the help! It is appropriate to say thanks as we come to celebrate Independance day in a few days.

tranza · 07-02-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

Tell that to Jack Welsh...

natas · 07-02-2003, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Society Tells you to go to college, get a job, work until your hair turns grey, and you'll be rich and have all you need.
That is all bullshit.
Start your own empire or you will be just like every other dipshit out there.

good post

Webby · 07-02-2003, 04:37 PM

There are plenty ways of getting rich working for other people.... Just look at Enron, Worldcom blah...

Cat-skinning comes in all shapes and sizes

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shermo Guest Posts: n/a	I think most people in this business have the same philosophy, Jedi. If we didn't want to build our fortunes on our own, we'd be working a 9-5 at the nearest quicky mart.

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Mike AI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Elysian Fields Posts: 3,624	bobv you are a freaking idiot. Every nation, culture has had slaves. Why aren't they are the top of the food chain? What about in sub-Saharah Africa where slaves are still used? When are they going to become a world power? The Unites Stated became a world power AFTER slavery, start around the Spanish-American war.... The US is the only Nation to fight a war over slavery, and to abolish it. The US became and is the #1 economic power because of the freedom we have to start our own business, take risks, and do our own thing. Very few places around the world are as easy to start your own company, and start doing business. We also let people who create wealth keep it and not tax it all away. Of course the past 50 years the Federal and State gov't have been making it rougher, and taxing companies more - but compaired to the rest of the world its still a better system. Funny how the USA haters always pop up in the threads.... __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

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Mike AI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Elysian Fields Posts: 3,624	EP - you are right on some of your points. The tax rate in the US has grown a lot, and this has hurt business. Also that the English Navy is what allowed the US to grow into the world power. The Monroe Doctrine, and other similiar doctrines were prety much enforced by the English Navy.... The UK kept European powers out of the Western Hemisphere, and allowed the US to develop into its own nation.... This is one of the reasons we have such a close bond to the UK today. Thanks for the help! It is appropriate to say thanks as we come to celebrate Independance day in a few days. __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

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