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Farang · 03-22-2026, 10:40 AM

i have never owned or even driven a bmw, never had any interest in that brand... right up until ~one month ago when my car died on the way from london and i rented this thing for a couple of days:

i ended up keeping it for almost a month right up until my flight to far far away for business... and now i need to purchase exactly the same car. it's just good, it works, it's got the looks, and it's only £35k = one third of range rover price

CaptainHowdy · 03-22-2026, 10:44 AM

I walk everywhere I go . . . peripathetic, isn't it??

INever · 03-22-2026, 11:01 AM

best brand.

had a used grey market 323i for abt a decade. the girl drove it first then i had it. top speed was 138mph or was that just a dream.

maybe MINI (made by bmw)... old ones are affordable. 4k usd...

congrats on achieving the Black Man's Wish.

NatalieK · 03-22-2026, 01:06 PM

i´d leave the 1 series BMW alone...

https://www.google.com/search?q=bmw+...oblems&gs_lcrp

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Common BMW 1 Series problems include timing chain failure on N47/N13 engines, high-pressure fuel pump issues in diesels, and coolant leaks. Other common issues involve electric gremlins (drivetrain warnings), suspension knocking, EGR recalls, and rough idling. Regular oil changes and checking for service history are crucial for longevity

My parents were looking at them & decided against the idea

Duced · 03-22-2026, 01:06 PM

BMW's are fun. Had a couple of 3 series.

The 3 litre twin turbo is a beast!

ross bleustein · 03-22-2026, 05:14 PM

HAD A STREET M3 THAT WAS FITTED WITH A WICKED DINAN SUPERCHARGER AND OTHER GOODIES , GREAT CAR FOR A WHILE

BUT THE REAL DEAL WAS MY E46 M3 RACE CAR - PREPARED BY THE RACE ARM IN AMERICA FOR BMW - PTG MOTORSPORTS IN VA.

WHEN BMW STARTED RACING THE NEW M3GTR V8 - WAS OUTLAWED SO FAST

https://www.bing.com/images/search?v...Index=53&itb=0

NatalieK · 03-28-2026, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Duced

BMW's are fun. Had a couple of 3 series.

The 3 litre twin turbo is a beast!

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Originally Posted by ross bleustein

HAD A STREET M3 THAT WAS FITTED WITH A WICKED DINAN SUPERCHARGER AND OTHER GOODIES , GREAT CAR FOR A WHILE

BUT THE REAL DEAL WAS MY E46 M3 RACE CAR - PREPARED BY THE RACE ARM IN AMERICA FOR BMW - PTG MOTORSPORTS IN VA.

WHEN BMW STARTED RACING THE NEW M3GTR V8 - WAS OUTLAWED SO FAST

see you both mentioned the 3 series, the 1 is flawed

& if spending out on a 3, go Nissan & take that thing anywhere, anytime & never see tail lights...

Duced · 03-28-2026, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

see you both mentioned the 3 series, the 1 is flawed

& if spending out on a 3, go Nissan & take that thing anywhere, anytime & never see tail lights...

I heard the 1 series 3 litre is a beast.

If I had to get another it would be the M2 or M4 or M8.

Nissan R34 Skyline is a classic.

Or the holy grail the OG Honda NSX.

Huggles · 03-28-2026, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Duced

BMW's are fun. Had a couple of 3 series.

The 3 litre twin turbo is a beast!

I had a 135i, the e-differential was total garbage.... one tire fire allllllllll day long.

Duced · 03-28-2026, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Huggles

I had a 135i, the e-differential was total garbage.... one tire fire allllllllll day long.

Damn that sucks man! No M-POWAHHHHH??!!?!?!?!!!!!!!

Huggles · 03-28-2026, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Duced

Damn that sucks man! No M-POWAHHHHH??!!?!?!?!!!!!!!

In 2008 all I wanted to do was live downtown and have a BMW... What a shit car it was, I beat the living fuck out of it and brought it back to the dealership when my lease ended.... clutch was slipping, drivetrain clunked, turbos burned oil...

A co-worker of mine bought a used BMW before COVID when I was working as a manager in a construction company 2017-2019ish... in 6 months he spent like 12k fixing all the leaks, VANOS, suspension... just to have the paddle shift transmission in his car break... and he was told it was a 10k repair job!

Guy lived at home with his parents and 100% of all of his money went to keeping his M3 running! Nothing more expensive than a used BMW or Mercedes out of warranty.

Duced · 03-28-2026, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Huggles

In 2008 all I wanted to do was live downtown and have a BMW... What a shit car it was, I beat the living fuck out of it and brought it back to the dealership when my lease ended.... clutch was slipping, drivetrain clunked, turbos burned oil...

A co-worker of mine bought a used BMW before COVID when I was working as a manager in a construction company 2017-2019ish... in 6 months he spent like 12k fixing all the leaks, VANOS, suspension... just to have the paddle shift transmission in his car break... and he was told it was a 10k repair job!

Guy lived at home with his parents and 100% of all of his money went to keeping his M3 running! Nothing more expensive than a used BMW or Mercedes out of warranty.

Yeah for real! Owning a bimmer is a cash sink. I had the same. 1k out each month at one point on each of the cars getting things fixed. Same with my friends cars.

But you treat it like a sexy bitch, high maintenence, but a good ride!

Beaver1 · 03-29-2026, 02:25 AM

I owned a BMW twenty years ago and never had any major problems with it;
and when I did, they were covered by the manufacturer’s warranty.

Huggles · 03-29-2026, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaver1

I owned a BMW twenty years ago

I test drove the Z3 before I got my S2000, the Z3 is very nice!

20+ years ago, cars were higher quality. Look at how many major car companies now are having engines fail early, electrical problems... cars are meant to make it through the warranty period and then be basically thrown away.

Beaver1 · 03-29-2026, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Huggles

20+ years ago, cars were higher quality. Look at how many major car companies now are having engines fail early, electrical problems... cars are meant to make it through the warranty period and then be basically thrown away.

Huggles · 03-29-2026, 08:43 AM

GM's modern 6.2 V8 is such garbage.... where as the 20+ year old LS engines are still good because they didn't have fuck ass "technology" added to them.

I knew two dudes who had 2015+ Silverados and both had engine failures and a ton of other issues. Modern cars are fucking junk.

adultinnovation · 03-29-2026, 09:13 AM

No Lambo no care

BaldBastard · 03-29-2026, 09:16 AM

Wify loves her beamers but recently announced she was selling her latest and replacing with an ebike, suits me I'm the one paying. She previously had an 1 series and it was a great little car.

Huggles · 03-29-2026, 10:14 AM

Cash 4 clunkers was a legit war against affordability for the average person.

So many cars that had good engines, good transmisisons, still drove... and people were paid to destroy the engines and scrap them.

What will take to wake people up to the fact that the rich and powerful jews in charge absolutely loathe the population of western countries?

fuzebox · 03-29-2026, 11:14 AM

The BMW 1M was a fantastic car, a lot of power for their smallest frame. 135 msport was like 70% of the way there. The N54/N55 for all it's issues was a pretty good tunable motor. Closest thing you can get to it today is an M2 Comp or M240i if you want to same some cash.

All new cars kinda suck though, and will never be as reliable as they used to be. Blame regulation, emission requirements, safety requirements, consumer demand for useless tech, etc. Cars have to be taller so that passengers don't fly over the hood if they get hit, cars need more airbags installed everywhere for safety tests. This adds more size and weight which means the engines have to make more power, except they also have to produce less tailpipe emissions and get higher mpg than they did before. Turbos, direct injection, and now hybrid drivetrains are helping out, except this adds a ton of electronic complexity and tbh between material costs and labor unions, I bet the margin is lower on a new car today than it was 20 years ago, despite them costing 2x as much.

fuzebox · 03-29-2026, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

see you both mentioned the 3 series, the 1 is flawed

& if spending out on a 3, go Nissan & take that thing anywhere, anytime & never see tail lights...

R33 was the worst skyline

NatalieK · 03-29-2026, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Duced

I heard the 1 series 3 litre is a beast.

If I had to get another it would be the M2 or M4 or M8.

Nissan R34 Skyline is a classic.

Or the holy grail the OG Honda NSX.

Oh yes, the NSX is amazing. The new one is even more so!

If the lexus LFA was cheaper, maybe would be the ultimate super car, if they would put a 100 grand price tag on it, but 3/4 mill

may aswel go for the 599 ferrari

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

R33 was the worst skyline

until you run one...

is the prettiest & the coolest. My partner loves the new ones & the 34, but i won´t go off my 33, she had a big ass like me

Huggles · 03-29-2026, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

The BMW 1M was a fantastic car, a lot of power for their smallest frame. 135 msport was like 70% of the way there..

Ya I had the Msport.... the worst part about the 135i was the differential for sure. The e-diff worked like total shit. With traction control fully off at the Mission raceway, my 135i would one-tire fire in multiple places every lap, it was ridiculous!

A real limited slip diff would have made it sooooooooo much better.

fuzebox · 03-29-2026, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

until you run one...

is the prettiest & the coolest. My partner loves the new ones & the 34, but i won´t go off my 33, she had a big ass like me

Easiest and cheapest to find nowadays, I guess the market has spoken and prefers the R32

For me it's R34, R32, R35, R33, in that order.

Huggles · 03-29-2026, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

R35

Do you still see many R35s driving around?

Here in the Kelowna area, Corvettes and G-wagons are so common, like you see one every couple of blocks. I just saw a pink G-wagon driving around yesterday. Broncos everywhere, Teslas everywhere, Mustangs everywhere.... even Ferraris, Lambos and Cybertrucks are all much more common than the R35. Where did they all go?

R35's are so rare out here, you see more Rx-8s driving around than R35's, and a running Rx-8 is a total unicorn!

Huggles · 03-29-2026, 09:43 PM

https://x.com/TRIGGERHAPPYV1/status/2038461833313476748

Apparently these folding seats pinned and killed a child recently....

Did nobody test the compression power of these seats? No detecting of resistance? It's 2026... DEI hires, probably. Fucking retarded.

This is like the fucking Tesla Cybertruck's front trunk being like a finger guillotine... zero testing, absolutely retarded.

Everything is getting dumber and worse!

Beaver1 · 03-29-2026, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

If the lexus LFA was cheaper, maybe would be the ultimate super car, if they would put a 100 grand price tag on it, but 3/4 mill

Investing this $100,000 in a few standard ETFs and using the investment income to pay
for flights, Uber, or Grab is the easiest, most stress-free, and most flexible way to get
from A to B these days!

Farang · 03-29-2026, 11:42 PM

Duced · 03-30-2026, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

Oh yes, the NSX is amazing. The new one is even more so!

If the lexus LFA was cheaper, maybe would be the ultimate super car, if they would put a 100 grand price tag on it, but 3/4 mill

Oh yeah how can I forget about the LFA. Saw one in a local showroom, absolute beauty of an automobile.

The rarity of it makes it expensive.

NatalieK · 03-30-2026, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Easiest and cheapest to find nowadays, I guess the market has spoken and prefers the R32

For me it's R34, R32, R35, R33, in that order.

reason you don´t see many r33 is...

https://www.google.com/search?q=r+33...in+america&rlz

now you´ll see many more around & I can say both my partner & I have driven in r32 & r33, definitely rating the r33 as a more comfortable drive & faster, as the 34 goes, it´s definitely going to be faster as everything was uprated, however...

the 33 is prettier, looks sexier with the curves other than the 35 and yes, the 35 is an intense car, driving to the extremes

that´s my take

NatalieK · 03-30-2026, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Duced

Oh yeah how can I forget about the LFA. Saw one in a local showroom, absolute beauty of an automobile.

The rarity of it makes it expensive.

this is true... certainly, meant to be an impressive ride & they do look very beautiful!

Duced · 03-30-2026, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

this is true... certainly, meant to be an impressive ride & they do look very beautiful!

It's a shame the golden era of 90s Japanese and German sports are gone.

I found a Japanese BMW forum with owners proud of their rides which as pretty interesting hahah!

https://bmwfun.net/3series/bmw-e46-photo-gallary/

Yamato · 03-30-2026, 11:32 AM

When my first kid turned 16 his first car was a 528i. What the fuck is "120" ?

Do we have these little cars in the US or do I have to rent it in europe or japan?

Yamato · 03-30-2026, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Duced

It's a shame the golden era of 90s Japanese and German sports are gone.

I found a Japanese BMW forum with owners proud of their rides which as pretty interesting hahah!

https://bmwfun.net/3series/bmw-e46-photo-gallary/

New BMW roadster looks nice. I saw one on the parking lot the other day. I think its a Z seies.

Farang · 03-30-2026, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamato

When my first kid turned 16 his first car was a 528i. What the fuck is "120" ?

Do we have these little cars in the US or do I have to rent it in europe or japan?

i would not drive bmw smaller than the 7 series or the x5, but this new 120 m sport is not a small car - it is a perfectly shaped car.

Huggles · 03-31-2026, 12:52 PM

I wonder when people will realize the system we're living in is one gigantic scam to fuck people over?

Yamato · 03-31-2026, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Farang

i would not drive bmw smaller than the 7 series or the x5, but this new 120 m sport is not a small car - it is a perfectly shaped car.

Im sorry, are we talking about this little box of shit and comparing it to 528 with 6 cylinders?

https://www.carenthusiast.com/review...0+M+Sport.html

Model: 2025 BMW 120 M Sport
Price: 1 Series from £31,065, 120 M Sport from £33,065
Engine: 1.5-litre turbocharged three-cylinder petrol with 48V mild hybrid
Transmission: seven-speed automatic, front-wheel drive
Power: 170hp
Torque: 280Nm
Emissions: 121-125g/km
Economy: 51.4-52.3mpg
0-62mph: 7.8 seconds
Top speed: 140mph
Boot space: 300-1,135 litres

fuzebox · 03-31-2026, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamato

Im sorry, are we talking about this little box of shit and comparing it to 528 with 6 cylinders?

https://www.carenthusiast.com/review...0+M+Sport.html

Model: 2025 BMW 120 M Sport
Price: 1 Series from £31,065, 120 M Sport from £33,065
Engine: 1.5-litre turbocharged three-cylinder petrol with 48V mild hybrid
Transmission: seven-speed automatic, front-wheel drive
Power: 170hp
Torque: 280Nm
Emissions: 121-125g/km
Economy: 51.4-52.3mpg
0-62mph: 7.8 seconds
Top speed: 140mph
Boot space: 300-1,135 litres

Carsized only has the hatch. In North America we only got the 1 series coupe. They weigh 3500lbs and did not ship with the 3 cylinder.

Huggles · 03-31-2026, 03:25 PM

If the 135i had a proper differential, it would have been so much better. Even when turning all DSC / traction control off, it still felt like there was some fuckery happening with the stability control / e-diff.

Coming from an S2000 / GMC Typhoon that I got rid of before I got the 135i, I wanted to get another small car... the 135i is the type of car that totally shines on a test drive but when you actually drive it hard, it always felt like the computer was working against you. Even with everything disabled, the gas pedal didn't feel like it gave you the engine's full power because it would overwhelm the e-diff, and when it did let you have full power, then you'd get a 1-tire fire... Oh well it was still nice to drive chicks around in!

My old Supra in the shot too:

NatalieK · 04-02-2026, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Duced

It's a shame the golden era of 90s Japanese and German sports are gone.

I found a Japanese BMW forum with owners proud of their rides which as pretty interesting hahah!

https://bmwfun.net/3series/bmw-e46-photo-gallary/

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Easiest and cheapest to find nowadays, I guess the market has spoken and prefers the R32

For me it's R34, R32, R35, R33, in that order.

`personally still saying the 33 gtr is more beautiful than any other car...

Huggles · 04-02-2026, 07:18 PM

^^^ Nice car!

Would be so siiiiiiiiick to have another supercharged S2000, my first one I paid for it with Topbucks, but because the transmissions and differentials are made of glass, it would be a never-ending money pit because you'd have to do a complete custom transmission and I don't remember the transmission tunnel being very big on them. Also you need a totally upgraded differential because you can break them even with the stock horsepower. And then you'd probably want some sort of real roll bar, harness...

Fuck it... I need to buy this $800 Firefly J35 swap convertible instead... probably have 90% of the fun burning the tires off the Firefly for 1% of the price!

03-22-2026, 10:40 AM	#1
Farang one sick puppy Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Where the worst of the West meets the worst of the East Posts: 11,672	bmw 120 m sport i have never owned or even driven a bmw, never had any interest in that brand... right up until ~one month ago when my car died on the way from london and i rented this thing for a couple of days: i ended up keeping it for almost a month right up until my flight to far far away for business... and now i need to purchase exactly the same car. it's just good, it works, it's got the looks, and it's only £35k = one third of range rover price __________________ fbm

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Huggles So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 12,202	GM's modern 6.2 V8 is such garbage.... where as the 20+ year old LS engines are still good because they didn't have fuck ass "technology" added to them. I knew two dudes who had 2015+ Silverados and both had engine failures and a ton of other issues. Modern cars are fucking junk.

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BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 16,653	Wify loves her beamers but recently announced she was selling her latest and replacing with an ebike, suits me I'm the one paying. She previously had an 1 series and it was a great little car.

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Huggles So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 12,202	Cash 4 clunkers was a legit war against affordability for the average person. So many cars that had good engines, good transmisisons, still drove... and people were paid to destroy the engines and scrap them. What will take to wake people up to the fact that the rich and powerful jews in charge absolutely loathe the population of western countries?

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fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,281	The BMW 1M was a fantastic car, a lot of power for their smallest frame. 135 msport was like 70% of the way there. The N54/N55 for all it's issues was a pretty good tunable motor. Closest thing you can get to it today is an M2 Comp or M240i if you want to same some cash. All new cars kinda suck though, and will never be as reliable as they used to be. Blame regulation, emission requirements, safety requirements, consumer demand for useless tech, etc. Cars have to be taller so that passengers don't fly over the hood if they get hit, cars need more airbags installed everywhere for safety tests. This adds more size and weight which means the engines have to make more power, except they also have to produce less tailpipe emissions and get higher mpg than they did before. Turbos, direct injection, and now hybrid drivetrains are helping out, except this adds a ton of electronic complexity and tbh between material costs and labor unions, I bet the margin is lower on a new car today than it was 20 years ago, despite them costing 2x as much.

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Huggles So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 12,202	https://x.com/TRIGGERHAPPYV1/status/2038461833313476748 Apparently these folding seats pinned and killed a child recently.... Did nobody test the compression power of these seats? No detecting of resistance? It's 2026... DEI hires, probably. Fucking retarded. This is like the fucking Tesla Cybertruck's front trunk being like a finger guillotine... zero testing, absolutely retarded. Everything is getting dumber and worse!

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Yamato Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2023 Posts: 301	When my first kid turned 16 his first car was a 528i. What the fuck is "120" ? Do we have these little cars in the US or do I have to rent it in europe or japan? __________________ I CODE FOR FUN

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Huggles So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 12,202	I wonder when people will realize the system we're living in is one gigantic scam to fuck people over?

03-31-2026, 03:25 PM	#39
Huggles So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 12,202	If the 135i had a proper differential, it would have been so much better. Even when turning all DSC / traction control off, it still felt like there was some fuckery happening with the stability control / e-diff. Coming from an S2000 / GMC Typhoon that I got rid of before I got the 135i, I wanted to get another small car... the 135i is the type of car that totally shines on a test drive but when you actually drive it hard, it always felt like the computer was working against you. Even with everything disabled, the gas pedal didn't feel like it gave you the engine's full power because it would overwhelm the e-diff, and when it did let you have full power, then you'd get a 1-tire fire... Oh well it was still nice to drive chicks around in! My old Supra in the shot too:

04-02-2026, 07:18 PM	#41
Huggles So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 12,202	^^^ Nice car! Would be so siiiiiiiiick to have another supercharged S2000, my first one I paid for it with Topbucks, but because the transmissions and differentials are made of glass, it would be a never-ending money pit because you'd have to do a complete custom transmission and I don't remember the transmission tunnel being very big on them. Also you need a totally upgraded differential because you can break them even with the stock horsepower. And then you'd probably want some sort of real roll bar, harness... Fuck it... I need to buy this $800 Firefly J35 swap convertible instead... probably have 90% of the fun burning the tires off the Firefly for 1% of the price!