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SexySarah 05-27-2003 08:11 AM
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12clicks 05-27-2003 08:16 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SexySarah


weak

strive to do better :)
yeah, I'd be looking to bail out if I were you too.
post a couple pics, pretend the smack down didn't happen.

run along and find a wit honey.:1orglaugh

SexySarah 05-27-2003 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 12clicks


yeah, I'd be looking to bail out if I were you too.
post a couple pics, pretend the smack down didn't happen.
what smack down?

you'll be replying to me all day long...

funny shit

12clicks 05-27-2003 08:20 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SexySarah


what smack down?

you'll be replying to me all day long...

funny shit
will I?
start holding your breath.:1orglaugh

SexySarah 05-27-2003 08:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 12clicks


will I?
start holding your breath.:1orglaugh
and again

theking 05-27-2003 09:28 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by charly
Well here is your list, sorry I did not come back straight away but I have a life outside GFY

Top Ten Senate Recipients of Pro-Israel PAC Funds

Current Election Cycle

Johnson, Tim (D-SD) 86,165

Levin, Carl (D-MI) 84,529

Baucus, Max (D-MT) 84,100

Durbin, Richard (D-IL) 76,000

Cleland, Max (D-GA) 69,750

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) 62,000

Carnahan, Jean (D-MO) 45,500

Harkin, Tom (D-IA) 44,750

Smith, Robert (R-NH) 40,430

Smith, Gordon (R-OR) 39,839

Career

Levin, Carl (D-MI) 649,387

Harkin, Tom (D-IA) 506,450

Daschle, Tom (D-SD) 463,135

Specter, Arlen (R-PA) 381,623

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) 347,425

Durbin, Richard (D-IL) 321,671

Baucus, Max (D-MT) 316,348

Bingaman, Jeff (D-NM) 261,425

Robb, Charles (D-VA) 255,093

Reid, Harry (D-NV) 253,802

Top Ten House Recipients of Pro-Israel PAC Funds

Current Election Cycle

Davis, Artur (D-AL) 63,067

Berkley, Shelley (D-NV) 39,345

Cantor, Eric (R-VA) 29,280

Gephardt, Richard (D-MO) 23,415

Hastert, J. Dennis (R-IL) 22,000

Cardoza, Dennis (D-CA) 15,500

Pelosi, Nancy (D-CA) 15,000

Harman, Jane (D-CA) 14,500

Levin, Sander (D-MI) 13,500

Rothman, Steven (D-NJ) 13,500

Career

Gejdenson, Sam (D-CT) 335,601

Gephardt, Richard (D-MO) 158,295

Obey, David (D-WI) 149,100

Berkley, Shelley (D-NV) 139,755

Frost, Martin (D-TX) 131,364

Engel, Eliot (D-NY) 108,668

Levin, Sander (D-MI) 100,027

Lowey, Nita (D-NY) 88,088

Gilman, Benjamin (R-NY) 84,543

Evans, Lane (D-IL) 79,629

From this page, it took me all of 10 minutes to find it.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/november02/0211026.html

I await your apology.
quote:
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Originally posted by Charly

Wrong, if you stopped supporting Israel it would change, in time. But then you have to think what your politicians will do without the money they get from Israels backers.
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The post below is in response to directfiesta.


Quote:
Charly made a statement of fact...so I assume that he has researched the matter. His implication is that our Politicians would suffer great loss of campaign funding if it were not for the backers of Israel. Going under the assumtion that he researched this mattter (and did not pull it out of his ass) I would assume that he can list the names of at least some politicians that received donations from the backers of Israel...the amount received and the name of the donor.

I on the other hand have not researched who or who has not recieved donations from the backers of Israel and do not intend to research the matter. The last polls that I saw...the majority of Americans support the right of Israel to exist and Israel is just as important to Christians as it is to Jews.

FYI I am satisfied that the backers of Israel are not the driving force behind campaign funding for any politician.
Continued in next post.

theking 05-27-2003 09:30 AM
This is from the link provided by Charly. And the figures are from a Pro Israel PAC and are career totals.


Quote:
TOTAL for 1999-2000 Election Cycle $2,044,606
TOTAL 1978-2000 Funds to Congressional Candidates $34,607,182
TOTAL No. of Recipient Candidates, 1978-2000 1,732

Related figures:
Total US aid to Israel since 1948:
According to the US government: $82 Billion
According to WRMEA's calculations: $94 Billion

Key: The "Career Total" column represents the total amount of Pro-Israel PAC money received from January 1, 1978 through December 31, 2001.

S= Senate. H= House of Representative. D=Democrat. R=Republican. Ref=Reform. DFL=Democratic Farmers Labor. Ind=Independent. Lib=Libertarian. Status: C=Challenger. I=Incumbent. O=Open Seat. *=Senate Election Year. #=House member running for Senate seat. Committees: A=Appropriations. AS=Armed Services. D=Defense Subcommittee. FO=Foreign Operations Subcommittee. NS=National Security Subcommittee. IR=International Relations. W=Ways and Means. "0" means money received was returned by candidate.


State
Office Dist. Candidate
Party
Status Contributions
Career Total
Committees


Alabama H 1 Callahan, Sonny R I $ 250 $ 38,500 A(FO)
H 2 Everett, Terry R I 3,500 11,000 AS
H 3 Riley, Bob R I 3,500 11,250 AS
H 4 Aderholt, Robert R I 4,000 8,500 A
H 5 Cramer, Bud D I 2,500 35,300 A
H 6 Bachus, Spencer R I 2,500 10,500
Alaska S Murkowski, Frank R I 1,000 63,000
S Stevens, Ted R I 1,000 47,200 A(D), C
H A.L Young, Donald R I 250
2,700
Am. Samoa H A.L Faleomavaega, Eni D I 1,000
IR
Arizona S Kyl, Jon* R I 44,925 77,025 A, I
H 1 Flake, Jeffry R O 250 250
H 1 Salmon, Matt R N 500 6,500 IR
H 5 Kolbe, James R I 1,000 26,750 A
Arkansas S Lincoln, Blanche D I -0- 13,027
H 4 Dickey, Jay, Jr. R I -0- -0- A(D)
H 4 Ross, Michael D C 4,000 4,000
California S Feinstein, Dianne* D I 32,250 112,842 A
H 8 Pelosi, Nancy D I 1,000 22,800 A(FO), I
H 10 Tauscher, Ellen D I 3,000 9,500 AS
H 12 Lantos, Tom D I 12,250 68,650 IR
H 15 Honda, Michael D O 8,000 8,000
H 20 Dooley, Calvin D I 7,000 12,200
H 21 Thomas, William R I 1,000 1,000 W
H 22 Capps, Lois D I 6,000 12,417 C
H 23 Gallegly, Elton R I 4,000 41,250 IR
H 24 Doyle, Jerry R C 10 10
H 24 Sherman, Brad D I 10,000 32,780 IR
H 26 Berman, Howard D I 10,000 55,450 IR
H 27 Rogan, James R I 5,250 7,760 C
H 27 Schiff, Adam D C 11,417 11,417
H 29 Waxman, Henry D I 1,000 32,832 C
H 31 Martinez, Matthew, Jr. D I 4,500 4,500 IR
H 31 Solis, Hilda D C 2,000 2,000
H 32 Dixon, Julian D I 1,000 29,050 A(D), I
H 33 Roybal-Allard, Lucille D I 500 6,750 A
H 34 Napolitano, Grace D I 2,000 2,750
H 36 Harman, Jane D C 14,491 57,071
H 36 Kuykendall, Steven R I 4,250 4,250 AS
H 38 Schipske, Gerrie D C 8,500 8,500
H 42 Baca, Joe D I 7,000 7,000
H 42 Gutierrez, Rex R C 2,500 2,500
H 43 Calvert, Kenneth R I 2,000 18,500
H 46 Sanchez, Loretta D I 9,230 24,148 AS
H 49 Bilbray, Brian R I 1,000 3,500 C
H 49 Davis, Susan D C 6,663 6,663
H 50 Filner, Bob D I 7,000 70,514
H 51 Cunningham, Randy R I 250 13,450 A(D)
H 52 Hunter, Duncan R I 250 33,350 AS
Colorado H 2 Udall, Mark D I 6,000 9,250
H 6 Tancredo, Thomas R I 250 1,500 IR
H 6 Toltz, Kenneth D C 10,010 10,010
Connecticut S Dodd, Christopher D I 1,000 182,928 FR(NE)
S Lieberman, Joseph* D I 86,000 226,508 AS
H 2 Gejdenson, Sam D I 29,500 335,601 IR
H 3 DeLauro, Rosa D I 1,000 39,400 A
H 5 Maloney, James D I 18,500 34,325 AS
Delaware S Carper, Thomas* D C 9,500 15,500
S Roth, William, Jr.* R I 10,250 35,250
Florida S Graham, Bob D I -5,000 94,250 I
S McCollum, Bill*# R O 17,468 38,318 I
S Nelson, Bill* D O 29,510 37,360
H 1 Scarborough, Charles R I 500 500 AS
H 2 Boyd, F. Allen, Jr. D I 2,500 2,500 A
H 3 Brown, Corrine D I 2,000 3,600
H 5 Thurman, Karen D I 1,000 8,600 W
H 8 Chapin, Linda D O 5,000 5,000
H 8 Keller, Richard R O 2,500 2,500
H 9 Bilirakis, Michael R I 1,500 17,106 C
H 12 Putnam, Adam R O 2,000 2,000
H 12 Stedem, Michael D O 1,500 1,500
H 16 Brown, Jean Elliott D C 250 250
H 17 Meek, Carrie D I 3,500 7,000 A
H 18 Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana R I 1,500 33,990 IR
H 19 Wexler, Robert D I 1,000 6,500 IR
H 20 Deutsch, Peter D I 1,200 25,941 C
H 22 Bloom, Elaine D C 7,231 7,231
H 22 Shaw, E. Clay, Jr. R I 16,100 42,600 W
H 23 Hastings, Alcee D I 500 13,850 I, IR
Georgia S Cleland, Joseph (Max) D I 3,250 3,250 AS, C
S Miller, Zell Bryan* D I 16,500 16,500
H 1 Kingston, Jack R I 500 500 A(FO)
H 5 Lewis, John D I 1,000 64,150 W
H 7 Kahn, Roger D C 10 10
H 8 Chambliss, Saxby R I 1,750 3,500 AS, B
H 8 Marshall, James Creel D C 2,000 2,000
H 11 Linder, John R I -0- 8,650
Hawaii S Akaka, Daniel* D I 5,000 93,500
Idaho H 1 Otter, Clement R O 1,500 1,500
H 2 Simpson, Michael R I 1,000 1,000
Illinois S Durbin, Richard D I 16,000 245,671 A(D), B
H 1 Rush, Bobby D I 4,500 6,000 C
H 4 Gutierrez, Luis D I 2,000 25,311
H 5 Blagojevich, Rod D I 4,000 12,350 AS
H 7 Davis, Danny D I 1,300 2,050
H 8 Pressl, Lance D C 500 500
H 9 Schakowski, Janice D I 6,250 9,250
H 10 Gash, Lauren D O 8,770 8,770
H 10 Hochberg, Andrew R O 6,500 6,500
H 10 Kirk, Mark R O 7,068 7,068
H 10 Porter, John R N 6,500 70,680 A(FO)
H 11 Weller, Gerald R I 9,000 23,400 W
H 14 Hastert, J. Dennis R I 19,500 35,350 I
H 15 Johnson, Timothy R O 1,000 1,000
H 15 Kelleher, F. Michael, Jr. D O 2,500 2,500
H 16 Manzullo, Donald R I 1,500 2,000 IR
H 17 Evans, Lane D I 16,500 74,793 AS
H 19 Phelps, David D I 1,000 1,000
H 20 Shimkus, John R I 2,000 2,500 C
Indiana S Lugar, Richard* R I 10,500 43,200 FR, I
H 2 Pence, Michael R O 2,000 2,000
H 3 Roemer, Tim D I 1,000 14,800 I
H 5 Benson, Scott Lib C 1,000 1,000
H 6 Burton, Dan R I 3,500 60,900 IR
H 8 Hamilton, John D C 3,000 3,000
H 8 Perry, Paul D C 11,000 11,000
Iowa S Harkin, Thomas D I 1,000 423,895 A(D, FO)
H 3 Boswell, Leonard D I 500 7,575
Kansas H 3 Moore, Dennis D I 8,000 8,000
Kentucky S Bunning, Jim R I 1,000 36,850
S McConnell, Mitch R I 3,000 285,425 A(FO, D)
H 1 Roy, Brian D C 250 250
H 1 Whitfield, Edward R I 5,500 5,500 C
H 3 Jordan, Eleanor D C 2,030 2,030
H 3 Northup, Ann Meagher R I 8,250 11,250 A
H 4 Lucas, Kenneth D I 250 1,000 B
H 6 Baesler, Scotty D C 4,000 25,100
H 6 Fletcher, Ernest R I 3,000 3,500 B
Louisiana S Landrieu, Mary D I 5,000 33,139 AS
H 1 Monica, Monica L. R C 1,000 1,000
H 1 Treen, David R C 6,500 6,500
H 1 Vitter, David R I 9,500 9,500
H 5 Cooksey, John R I 1,000 1,000 IR
Maine S Collins, Susan R I 2,000 9,500
S Snowe, Olympia* R I 32,750 71,000 AS, B, C
Maryland S Sarbanes, Paul* D I 48,250 159,963 B, FR(NE)
H 3 Cardin, Benjamin D I 500 25,450 W
H 4 Wynn, Albert D I 1,000 8,750 C
H 5 Hoyer, Steny D I 2,000 51,775 A
H 8 Morella, Constance R I 1,000 14,650
Massachusetts S Kennedy, Edward* D I 15,500 66,120 AS
Michigan S Abraham, Spencer* R I 25,250 31,250 B, C
S Stabenow, Debbie*# D C 20,982 34,310
S Levin, Carl D I 1,500 564,858 AS, I
H 1 Stupak, Bart D I 7,250 20,500 C
H 4 Camp, David R I 250 6,800 W
H 5 Barcia, James D I 1,000 5,000
H 8 Byrum, Dianne D O 8,500 8,500
H 8 Rogers, Michael R O 750 750
H 9 Kildee. James D I 2,000 23,500
H 10 Bonior, David D I 1,000 24,000
H 11 Frumin, Matthew D C 2,000 2,000
H 11 Knollenberg, Joseph R I 2,250 2,750 A(FO), B
H 12 Levin, Sander D I 1,500 86,527 W
H 13 Rivers, Lynn Nancy D I 3,500 25,250 B
H 15 Kilpatrick, Carolyn Cheeks D I 2,000 4,500 A(FO)
H 16 Dingell, John D I 1,000 10,500 C
Minnesota S Ciresi, Michael* D C 1,000 1,000
S Grams, Rodney* R I 23,700 26,700 B, FR(NE)
H 2 Minge, David DFL I 1,000 2,250 B
H 4 McCollum, Betty DFL O 2,750 2,750
H 6 Luther, Bill DFL I 3,100 16,813 C
Mississippi S Lott, Trent* R I 4,500 67,200 I
H 4 Shows, Clifford (Ronnie) D I 3,500 3,500
Missouri S Ashhahahahaha, John* R I 20,200 29,200 FR(NE)
S Carnahan, Mel D C 10,693 12,693
H 1 Clay, William, Jr. D N 1,000 15,500
H 2 Akin, W. Todd R O 1,500 1,500
H 3 Gephardt, Richard D I 16,500 134,880 I
H 4 Skelton, Ike D I 7,000 58,950 AS
H 5 McCarthy, Karen D I 2,000 14,750 C
H 6 Danner, Steve D O 3,000 3,000
H 6 Danner, Pat D N 1,000 5,000
H 7 Blunt, Roy R I 1,000 5,000 C
H 8 Emerson, Jo Ann R I 500 1,500 A
H 9 Hulshof, Kenny R I 500 1,500 W
Montana S Baucus, Max D I 2,000 232,248 I
S Burns, Conrad* R I 52,960 165,010 A
S Schweitzer, Brian* D C 6,731 6,731
H A.L Keenan, Nancy D O 7,250
7,250
Continued in next post.

theking 05-27-2003 09:31 AM
Quote:
Nebraska S Kerrey, J. Robert* D N 8,000 198,500 FR, I
S Nelson, E. Benjamin* D O 28,760 28,760
S Stenberg, Don* R O 4,500 4,500
H 1 Bereuter, Douglas R I 1,500 1,750 IR
Nevada S Bernstein, Ed* D O 21,741 21,741
S Ensign, John* R O 5,700 8,200
S Reid, Harry D I -3,000 253,802 A
H 1 Berkley, Shelley D I 66,951 100,410
New Jersey S Franks, Robert*# R O 10,500 11,000 B
S Torricelli, Robert D I 5,000 125,652 FR(NE)
H 1 Andrews, Robert D I 5,500 27,250 AS
H 3 Levin, Susan Bass D C 1,010 1,010
H 3 Saxton, H. James R I 13,800 53,650 AS
H 6 Pallone, Frank, Jr. D I 4,000 44,400 C
H 7 Connelly, Maryanne D O 2,000 2,000
H 7 Morrisey, Patrick R O 500 500
H 8 Pascrell, William, Jr. D I 500 500
H 9 Rothman, Steven D I 5,000 20,503 IR
H 11 Freylinghuysen, Rodney R I 500 1,500 A(D)
H 12 Holt, Rush D I 7,241 7,241 B
H 12 Zimmer, Dick R C 3,000 19,850
H 13 Menendez, Robert D I 7,515 11,765 IR
New Mexico S Bingaman, Jeff* D I 32,500 261,425 AS
H 1 Wilson, Heather R I 5,250 11,500 C, I
H 3 Udall, Tom D I 1,500 1,500
New York S Clinton, Hillary* D O 17,000 17,000
S Lazio, Rick*# R O 25,750 37,250 C
S Giuliani, Rudolph* R N 10,000 10,000
S Schumer, Charles D I 6,000 27,635
H 1 Forbes, Michael D I 8,500 18,500 A
H 2 Israel, Steve D O 4,500 4,500
H 2 Johnson, Joan R O 500 500
H 4 McCarthy, Carolyn D I 250 6,325
H 5 Ackerman, Gary D I 1,000 40,500 IR
H 6 Meeks, Gregory D I 500 500 IR
H 7 Crowley, Joseph D I 3,000 3,000 IR
H 8 Nadler, Jerrold D I 1,500 13,000
H 9 Dear, Noach D C 2,000 6,000
H 9 Weiner, Anthony D I 2,000 2,000
H 10 Towns, Edolphus D I 4,000 37,500 C
H 11 Owens, Major D I 1,300 36,300
H 14 Maloney, Carolyn D I 4,000 15,500
H 15 Rangel, Charles D I 500 13,500 W
H 17 Engel, Eliot D I 17,968 98,668 C
H 18 Lowey, Nita D I 7,500 84,088 A(FO)
H 19 Kelly, Sue R I 1,600 2,350
H 20 Gilman, Benjamin R I 10,468 80,543 IR
H 21 McNulty, Michael D I 500 8,500 W
H 25 Walsh, James R I 1,250 14,550 A
H 27 Reynolds, Thomas R I 1,000 2,000
North Carolina H 2 Etheridge, Bob D I 1,000 8,075
H 4 Price, David D I 500 51,827 A, B
H 8 Hayes, Robert (Robin) R I 500 1,000 AS
H 11 Neill, Sam D C 500 500
North Dakota S Conrad, Kent* D I 43,000 195,689 B
S Dorgan, Byron D I 1,000 95,850 A(D), C
H A.L Pomeroy, Earl D I 1,000 8,150 IR
Ohio S DeWine, Mike* R I 20,000 23,500 I
H 6 Strickland, Ted D I 1,000 14,650 C
H 8 Boehner, John R I 1,000 18,500
H 10 Kucinich, Dennis D I 1,000 14,500
H 11 Jones, Stephanie Tubbs D I 2,000 3,000
H 12 O'Shaughnessy, Maryellen D O 750 750
H 13 Brown, Sherrod D I 5,500 23,250 C, IR
H 17 Williams, Lyle R C 2,500 10,000
H 19 LaTourette, Steven R I 3,500 9,500
Oklahoma H 2 Carson, Brad D O 6,000 6,000
H 4 Watts, J.C., Jr. R I 5,000 18,250 AS
Oregon S Smith, Gordon R I 1,000 9,500 B, FR(NE)
H 1 Wu, David D I 8,000 16,927
Pennsylvania S Santorum, Richard* R I 36,000 44,750 AS
S Schwartz, Allyson* D C 2,500 2,500
S Specter, Arlen R I -250 366,123 A(D, FO)
H 1 Brady, Robert D I 1,500 7,250 AS
H 4 Hart, Melissa R O 1,250 1,250
H 5 Peterson, John R I 250 250 A
H 6 Holden, Timothy D I 500 3,500
H 7 Weldon, Curt R I 1,750 20,750 AS
H 8 Greenwood, James R I -0- 1,000 C
H 10 Casey, Patrick D C 3,500 6,500
H 10 McLaughlin, Thomas Ref C 750 750
H 10 Sherwood, Donald R I 1,250 1,250 AS
H 12 Murtha, John D I 11,000 30,100 A(D)
H 13 Hoeffel, Joseph D I 8,500 19,954 B, IR
H 13 Margolies-Mezvinsky, Marjorie D C 2,000 25,190
Rhode Island S Chafee, Lincoln* R I 15,000 15,000 FR
S Licht, Richard* D C 2,005 245,605
S Weygand, Robert*# D C 17,005 18,005 B
S Reed, Jack D I 4,250 75,050 AS
S Pell, Claiborne D N -2,500 180,950
H 1 Kennedy, Patrick D I 7,000 23,150 AS
H 2 Langevin, James D O 500 500
South Carolina S Hollings, Ernest D I 1,000 73,275 A(D), B, C
H 1 Brack, Andrew D O 500 500
H 1 Brown, Henry, Jr. R O 12 12
H 5 Spratt, John, Jr. D I 8,000 14,900 AS, B
South Dakota S Johnson, Tim D I 1,000 51,000 B
Tennessee S Frist, William* R I 22,000 23,100 B, FR
H 6 Gordon, Barton D I 1,000 55,400 C
Texas S Hutchison, Kay Bailey* R I 2,500 31,000 A(D), C
H 4 Newton, Jonathan R C 500 500
H 5 Coggins, Regina Montoya D C 260 260
H 5 Sessions, Pete R I 500 1,000
H 14 Sneary, Loy D C 4,000 8,250
H 22 DeLay, Tom R I 14,200 39,050 A
H 23 Bonilla, Henry R I 500 500 A(D)
H 24 Frost, Martin D I 10,000 126,864
H 25 Bentsen, Kenneth, Jr. D I 3,000 19,677 B
H 26 Armey, Richard R I 5,850 11,100
Utah S Hatch, Orrin* R I 1,000 50,700 I
H 2 Matheson, James D C 4,000 4,000
H 2 Smith, Derek R C 2,500 2,500
Vermont S Jeffords, James* R I 2,000 34,050
Virginia S Allen, George* R C 6,900 7,400
S Robb, Charles* D I 102,821 255,093 AS, I
S Warner, John, III R I 1,000 26,300 AS
H 1 Davis, Jo Ann R O 3,750 3,750
H 2 Schrock, Edward R O 3,750 3,750
H 2 Wagner, Jody Moses D O 3,500 3,500
H 4 Sisisky, Norman D I 500 39,750 AS, I
H 7 Cantor, Eric R O 15,000 15,000
H 10 Wolf, Frank R I 9,250 47,500 A (FO)
Washington S Gorton, Slade* R I 64,250 180,000 A, B, C
H 1 Inslee, Jay D I 2,500 9,825
H 2 Larsen, Richard D O 1,000 1,000
H 5 Nethercutt, George, Jr. R I 6,500 6,500 A(D)
H 6 Dicks, Norm D I 1,000 20,850 A(D)
West Virginia H 2 Humphries, James D O 500 500
Wisconsin S Feingold, Russell D I -1,000 56,810 B, FR
S Kohl, Herb D -0- -0- A
H 2 Baldwin, Tammy D I 2,000 2,000 B
H 7 Obey, David D I 4,500 147,100 A
Wyoming S Thomas, Craig* R I 11,000 13,500 FR
Considering that several hundred million was spent in the last Presidential election alone...I will repeat..."I am satisfied that the backers of Israel are not the driving force behind campaign funding for any politician".

Explain to me why I owe an apology.

Rip 05-27-2003 09:32 AM
I know, lets pay radicals to fly iran's soviet bult passenger planes loaded with explosives into civilian complexes killing innocent people... we'll call it bush-had

somehow though, I think this has already been done

ADL Colin 05-27-2003 09:38 AM
Oh, geez. I see all the same people that were predicting the bloodiest war of the century, that tens of thousands of US soldiers would die in urban combat in Fortess Baghdad, that Saddam had something up his sleeve and had learned something from the last war, that the US was heading for another Vietnam, that the US was lying about it's military progress, that the US media was conspiring to present a false view of the success of the military in the early campaign and who chose "quagmire" as the word of the month are back. Once again you are here to say "you just don't get it" and once again you are wrong.

The US' Middle East policy? You mean the US pressuring Israel, France, and Britain to sign a cease-fire with Egypt in the Suez Canal war? You mean initiating the Camp David accords that resulted in Begin and Sadat sitting down and initiating a number of historic events that resulted in a peace between Egypt and Israel ever since? You mean backing Afghanistan against the Soviets? You mean selling weapons to the Saudis? Selling weapons to the Kuwaitis? Selling weapons to the Egyptians? Defending the Kuwaitis and organizing a war where Syria, the Saudis, and Egyptians sent troops to liberate Kuwait? You mean offering to sell weapons to Middle East countries only to have them turn their backs on the US and buy Soviet weapons instead? When those same Soviet weapons and tactics were found to be utterly inferior to US training and tactics in the various Arab/Israeli wars the countries that lost blamed the US instead of asking what they themselves could have done. You mean pushing Israel to participate in new peace talks?


Can't believe you guys buy into that Nasser/Soviet/bin Laden propaganda.

Rip 05-27-2003 09:41 AM
Of course we could alwasy ask martha stewart to go over there and talk nice to those people...

A religion which endorses murdering women who have sex before marriage by stoning them to death ought to listen with open arms

theking 05-27-2003 10:20 AM
I am leaving in a few to keep an appointment with an attorney. In the words of Arnold...I'll be back.

SexySarah 05-27-2003 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by theking
I am leaving in a few to keep an appointment with an attorney. In the words of Arnold...I'll be back.
oh right

we're meant to care?

Angelonfire 05-27-2003 10:28 AM
The next generation,, My kids, Yours... They will have to live with the consequences....


Will it ever STOP ? ....

12clicks 05-27-2003 10:30 AM
Colin, your post will be ignored by the rable because there's no arguing against it. :thumbsup




Quote:
Originally posted by Rip

A religion which endorses murdering women who have sex before marriage by stoning them to death ought to listen with open arms
You'd think with all that practice, a few of those towel heads would make it into baseball.:1orglaugh

Paul Markham 05-27-2003 11:01 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 12clicks

right, because they don't understand that THEY are the terrorists. :thumbsup
So if a bunch of foreigners came and took over the country where you and your family had lived for centuries you would just stick your arse in the air and provide the lube?

In the Second World War they were called "The Resistance" and the Nazis dealt with them in a very brutal fashion. Any hint of resistance they would send in the tanks and soldiers.

Spot the parallel?

You have to see it from the other side as well, if you are going to come up with a coherent debate.

Paul Markham 05-27-2003 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by theking


Considering that several hundred million was spent in the last Presidential election alone...I will repeat..."I am satisfied that the backers of Israel are not the driving force behind campaign funding for any politician".

Explain to me why I owe an apology.
No you just asked me to list five and I did more than that. So you admit US politicians are taking money from supporters of another country.

All we disagree about is the effectiveness of all this money. I argue they give this money because it is effective.

You argue they give this money and it has no effect. Kind of charity.

What did you have to see a lawyer for, been caught again???

Paul Markham 05-27-2003 11:14 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 12clicks
Colin, your post will be ignored by the rable because there's no arguing against it. :thumbsup
You know that feeling then??

This is my last post to this thread.
See you another day..............

Honeyslut 05-27-2003 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by sacX


I have a medical backgrund, and actually some of the reforms GWB has in place for healthcare sound excellent. That is putting healthcare back in the hands of Dr's as opposed to the damned litigation lawyers.

I am not from the United States, but healthcare in the US is probably the best in the world. It is not the most efficient, but if you are covered by insurance you won't get better healthcare anywhere else on average.
I guess you have not tried blue shield lately.. hehehe

ADL Colin 05-27-2003 12:00 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Angelonfire
The next generation,, My kids, Yours... They will have to live with the consequences....

Will it ever STOP ? ....
No, it won't. It didn't stop with the first World War (the war to end all wars, right?) , the second World War, the Korean War, the Vietnamese War, the Iran/Iraq war, the Seven Days War, any of the Arab/Israeli Wars, any of thousands of civil wars, Palestinian uprisings, Afghan/Soviet War, Afghan/US War, the Soviet occupation of Baltic states, Idi Amin, Kashmir, Nanking, Falklands. God, there are thousands. There are probably about 40 armed conflicts and civil wars going on right now.

For that matter it didn't stop with the Napoleonic Wars, the Crimean War, the American Civil War, the Franco-Prussian War, the War of 1812, the Boer War. It didn't stop with Genghis Kahn, Cromwell, Julius Caesar, Darius, Mohammed and the other Caliphs, or Pope Urban II. Nor did it stop with any number of Babylonian, Macedonian, Egyptian, Hebrew, Assyrian, Chinese, Mayan, or Aztec Kings.

This is the way the world is. Arm thyself!

theking 05-27-2003 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by charly
No you just asked me to list five and I did more than that. So you admit US politicians are taking money from supporters of another country.
I have never denied that politicians take donations to campaign funds from citizens of the USA that are pro Israel...as the majority of Americans are pro Israel...so I have nothing to admit to.

Quote:
All we disagree about is the effectiveness of all this money. I argue they give this money because it is effective.

You argue they give this money and it has no effect. Kind of charity.
I have not made an arguement about effectiveness, one way or the other...you have the wrong person.

I said that "I am satisfied that the backers of Israel are not the driving force behind campaign funding for any politician."

I proved this to be the case by the very link you provided.

Quote:
What did you have to see a lawyer for, been caught again???
My business is not any of your business...but if you feel the need to know I saw the attorney that was retained to represent my youngest brother since he was run over last Thursday. My oldest brother could not be present as he had to work today and my brother that was injured is not mobile so the responsibilty fell on me. The attorney has taken the case and put the wheels in motion.

theking 05-27-2003 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Colin


No, it won't. It didn't stop with the first World War (the war to end all wars, right?) , the second World War, the Korean War, the Vietnamese War, the Iran/Iraq war, the Seven Days War, any of the Arab/Israeli Wars, any of thousands of civil wars, Palestinian uprisings, Afghan/Soviet War, Afghan/US War, the Soviet occupation of Baltic states, Idi Amin, Kashmir, Nanking, Falklands. God, there are thousands. There are probably about 40 armed conflicts and civil wars going on right now.

For that matter it didn't stop with the Napoleonic Wars, the Crimean War, the American Civil War, the Franco-Prussian War, the War of 1812, the Boer War. It didn't stop with Genghis Kahn, Cromwell, Julius Caesar, Darius, Mohammed and the other Caliphs, or Pope Urban II. Nor did it stop with any number of Babylonian, Macedonian, Egyptian, Hebrew, Assyrian, Chinese, Mayan, or Aztec Kings.

This is the way the world is. Arm thyself!
If memory serves me correctly there have been more than 14,000 wars of some significance...and counting.

Troels 05-27-2003 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Colin


No, it won't. It didn't stop with the first World War (the war to end all wars, right?) , the second World War, the Korean War, the Vietnamese War, the Iran/Iraq war, the Seven Days War, any of the Arab/Israeli Wars, any of thousands of civil wars, Palestinian uprisings, Afghan/Soviet War, Afghan/US War, the Soviet occupation of Baltic states, Idi Amin, Kashmir, Nanking, Falklands. God, there are thousands. There are probably about 40 armed conflicts and civil wars going on right now.

For that matter it didn't stop with the Napoleonic Wars, the Crimean War, the American Civil War, the Franco-Prussian War, the War of 1812, the Boer War. It didn't stop with Genghis Kahn, Cromwell, Julius Caesar, Darius, Mohammed and the other Caliphs, or Pope Urban II. Nor did it stop with any number of Babylonian, Macedonian, Egyptian, Hebrew, Assyrian, Chinese, Mayan, or Aztec Kings.

This is the way the world is. Arm thyself!
And yet people still believe in a God.

I look forward to the day when people will think for themselves and not live by rules and truths set down by religious leaders.

Rip 05-27-2003 01:31 PM
I saw a deranged guy walking down the steet with explosives strapped to his waist,

I was gonna call the cops but after reading this thread, I thought of the sins of many generations of ancestors...

It's probably my fault, I thought to myself

I just smiled and waved at the man, thinking somewhere deep down he was just a misguided nice guy at heart

theking 05-27-2003 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Rip
I saw a deranged guy walking down the steet with explosives strapped to his waist,

I was gonna call the cops but after reading this thread, I thought of the sins of many generations of ancestors...

It's probably my fault, I thought to myself

I just smiled and waved at the man, thinking somewhere deep down he was just a misguided nice guy at heart
You missed your opportunity...to give him directions to an address of your choosing...several that posted in this thread for example.

bikinihouse 05-27-2003 01:48 PM
The USA really will own this whole world sooon... if they want. I wish they would just step back and mind their own business for once.

mule 05-27-2003 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by theking


You missed your opportunity...to give him directions to an address of your choosing...several that posted in this thread for example.
Shame on you. PF is spinning in his grave now :)

Webby 05-27-2003 02:28 PM
Ah.. the thread goes on! :Graucho

There sure is one massive load of "nationalism" floating about!
How about we *actually* (that means do it!) consider each others opinions - there are good points on boths sides!!

Overall, there is one serious lack of communication and it ain't limited to this board! Ya can blame the US, France, UK, Russia or Iceland - it don't matter a damn in the end. Meet the people from any of those countries and ya will find they are just the same as you.

It is also no secret that the US would have 100% support from countries (the opportunity for this to happen has occurred .. think three times now).. for actions had the Admin simpley "gave" very little. But sadly, this was not to be.... so the crap will continue. We now have the absurd spoilt brat behaviour with a "leader" who don't wish to take phone calls from other world leaders - pathetic!

All this alledged nation and race hating is bullshit from totally ignoranct imbeciles. Contrary to some expressions here.. there ain't no "shit countries" on this planet - there may be some you would not elect to live in, but they ain't shit. And, that includes France for the benefit of "Freedom Fries" lovers - that is just laughed at in France.

I only met two people in my life that some would use the word "hate" (and sure as hell they were genuinely evil - not exactly "common crooks" - they are serving time now for their actions!) - but I don't hate em - just a waste of a life!

OK as for the "thing" in the Whitehouse.. I don't hate the guy, he knows what he is doing (least I hope so!) and he will pay the price in the end. I only feel sorry for people in the US who supported and continue to support him and will also pay the price of the "thing's" ignorant, arrogant decisions. Let's say I just despise him, cos he had many chances since taking office and blew the lot.

Get a grip folks.. surely we would not be attacking each other in any face to face like this?

Peace out!! :glugglug

Webby 05-27-2003 02:35 PM
bikinihouse:

Quote:
The USA really will own this whole world sooon... if they want. I wish they would just step back and mind their own business for once.
*lol* To coin a phrase from some "greater one" - over my dead body! :Graucho

ADL Colin 05-27-2003 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Webby
It is also no secret that the US would have 100% support from countries (the opportunity for this to happen has occurred .. think three times now).. for actions had the Admin simpley "gave" very little. But sadly, this was not to be.... so the crap will continue. We now have the absurd spoilt brat behaviour with a "leader" who don't wish to take phone calls from other world leaders - pathetic!
Which countries and situations in particular are you talking about, Webby?

12clicks 05-27-2003 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Webby

OK as for the "thing" in the Whitehouse.. I don't hate the guy, he knows what he is doing (least I hope so!) and he will pay the price in the end. I only feel sorry for people in the US who supported and continue to support him and will also pay the price of the "thing's" ignorant, arrogant decisions. Let's say I just despise him, cos he had many chances since taking office and blew the lot.
ahahaha, I love assclowns who start a post with "lets all get along" and finish the above clap trap.

kenny 05-27-2003 06:17 PM
Game.

US 1

anti-US 0

theking 05-27-2003 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by kenny
Game.

US 1

anti-US 0
:thumbsup

Honeyslut 05-27-2003 09:22 PM
:drinkup

Joe Sixpack 05-27-2003 09:27 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by kenny
Game.

US 1

anti-US 0
:1orglaugh

Rip 05-27-2003 10:37 PM
A little know fact from the third world

did you know for instance, that it's bad manners to eat with your left hand...

why you ask...?

well there is no TP so the standard practice is to wipe/clean your ass with your left hand...

ahh....if only they bought toilet paper instead of plastic explosives, I'd consider shaking their hands

Angelonfire 05-27-2003 11:07 PM
Joe Sixpack

Great thread interesting ,,,, I learned alot... since a week now a real subject... with 336 post and 3244 visitors...

You deserve a DVD :thumbsup :winkwink:

Webby 05-27-2003 11:22 PM
12clicks:

Quote:
ahahaha, I love assclowns who start a post with "lets all get along" and finish the above clap trap
I'm pleased ya enjoyed that! But is may seem alien to ya to see this "get along" and the "above clap trap" however "getting along" has fuck all to do with "above clap trap". It will take several years to let the "clap trap" cool and I for one have won't be refraining for the "clap trap". If ya don't like it - go fuck yourself and your alledged "President" as well and enjoy the experience!:Graucho

Webby 05-27-2003 11:25 PM
Quote:
Game.

US 1

anti-US 0
I am seriously thinking all folks in the US are as dim as some on this board.. holding back the verdict till I read more tho - give em a fair chance! :1orglaugh

escorpio 05-27-2003 11:28 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Angelonfire
Joe Sixpack

Great thread interesting ,,,, I learned alot... since a week now a real subject... with 336 post and 3244 visitors...

You deserve a DVD :thumbsup :winkwink:
Joe has won so many DVD players with his anti- U.S.A. posts he should write George Bush a thank you note.

Ironhorse 05-27-2003 11:32 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Colin
Oh, geez. I see all the same people that were predicting the bloodiest war of the century, that tens of thousands of US soldiers would die in urban combat in Fortess Baghdad, that Saddam had something up his sleeve and had learned something from the last war, that the US was heading for another Vietnam, that the US was lying about it's military progress, that the US media was conspiring to present a false view of the success of the military in the early campaign and who chose "quagmire" as the word of the month are back. Once again you are here to say "you just don't get it" and once again you are wrong.
It's not over yet..

Webby 05-27-2003 11:34 PM
Quote:
Joe has won so many DVD players with his anti- U.S.A. posts he should write George Bush a thank you note.
Hang on!.. The asshole in the Whitehouse may claim that was his prime achievement since he came to office - cos there is nuthing else to claim success on! :1orglaugh

I can see Mr Modesty (grinning Rummy) announcing this achievement from the deck of an aircraft carrier and coy George accepting the "honor" :1orglaugh

Joe Sixpack 05-27-2003 11:34 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by escorpio
Joe has won so many DVD players with his anti- U.S.A. posts he should write George Bush a thank you note.
What are you talking about?!

I've never won a DVD player or an X-box for that matter with any of my posts... so I think it's about time. This is a great thread.

Post on people!

Ironhorse 05-27-2003 11:34 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Webby


I am seriously thinking all folks in the US are as dim as some on this board.. holding back the verdict till I read more tho - give em a fair chance! :1orglaugh
Dude US is a big place with lots of people. You shouldn't make these kind of generalizations.

Webby 05-27-2003 11:38 PM
Ironhorse:

Quote:
Dude US is a big place with lots of people. You shouldn't make these kind of generalizations.
I've been trying VERY hard for a pretty long while now trying to wipe this idea aside, but somehow it just gets thrust up front time and time again... :glugglug

escorpio 05-27-2003 11:44 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


What are you talking about?!

I've never won a DVD player or an X-box for that matter with any of my posts... so I think it's about time. This is a great thread.

Post on people!
Damn, really? You are overdue.

Webby 05-28-2003 01:39 AM
Oh hell.. looks like all that gushing "patriotism" and flag waving in support of a bananna republic is waning!

I was rooting for Joe Sixpack for a least get a DVD!:1orglaugh

No defence for an ailing over rated empire with chicken brains as management and more WMD than any country it whines about ??:glugglug

Joe Sixpack 05-28-2003 01:58 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by escorpio
Damn, really? You are overdue.
I agree. :winkwink:

ADL Colin 05-28-2003 02:33 AM
Is there a medical term for people that are fixated on the United States, it's power, it's wealth, and it's standing in the world? Anyone have a copy of DSM-IV around?

Oh, and Webby. What are the countries and situations in which the US would have "100% support' in exchange for "giving" a little?


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