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EscortBiz · 05-21-2003, 10:41 AM

In the past month I used tons of people for different services, i.e. web design, banners, photo shoots, and tons of other stuff.

Right across the board 50% bullshitted me and missed their prommised deadline, and all had dramatic stories to tell on why they cant make it.

I am very upset because it took my project and pushed it off.

I won't sit back and get fucked by noone regardless who they are or think they are, just wondering should I post their info here or what?

ADL Colin · 05-21-2003, 10:43 AM

EscortBiz,

Im my experience it'd be bigger news when people DID hit deadlines than when they didn't. ;-)

PatrickM · 05-21-2003, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
...I won't sit back and get fucked by noone regardless who they are or think they are, just wondering should I post their info here or what?

Yes

hybrid · 05-21-2003, 10:45 AM

When you hire a plumber, and he fucks you around, what do you do?

Post on a message board?

Hire somebody else?

IMO, unless it's involving money, there's no reason to drag somebody through the mud. You should have enough influence with your close contacts that word of mouth is quite enough. Anything else makes you seem a drama queen.

On the other hand; it does decrease efficiency.

Guess it's ultimately up to you.

Evil Chris · 05-21-2003, 10:45 AM

This is GFY isn't it?

save11 · 05-21-2003, 10:46 AM

nofx · 05-21-2003, 10:46 AM

If you got fucked out of some money, post it.

pantymaniac · 05-21-2003, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
In the past month I used tons of people for different services, i.e. web design, banners, photo shoots, and tons of other stuff.

Right across the board 50% bullshitted me and missed their prommised deadline, and all had dramatic stories to tell on why they cant make it.

I am very upset because it took my project and pushed it off.

I won't sit back and get fucked by noone regardless who they are or think they are, just wondering should I post their info here or what?

dont post yet ! post if they answer any topic and ask for some job ..

EscortBiz · 05-21-2003, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Colin
EscortBiz,

Im my experience it'd be bigger news when people DID hit deadlines than when they didn't. ;-)

sad but true

EscortBiz · 05-21-2003, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by pantymaniac

dont post yet ! post if they answer any topic and ask for some job ..

not a bad idea

Amputate Your Head · 05-21-2003, 10:54 AM

Escort,

I would first suggest you talk to the person in question reasonably about your dissatisfaction and see if it can't be resolved in some way to your liking. If it were me on the other end of it, I would normally offer some banners or other work to you for free or maybe a price break on the original deal or something as a make-good for whatever has happened.... (I don't know your specific situation) If it's a photographer, maybe he can offer you some extra stuff as well.

If that doesn't work, then out them so someone else doesn't end up asking this next week.

Joesho · 05-21-2003, 10:55 AM

Bullshit is aproblem in any business, but it should only be a problem for the bullshitters, not for the guys trying to conduct themselves in a proper manner..... expose the fuckers... they will have a chance to respond in their defense here at GFY... of course this opens people to unethical bullshit attacks then we have the old cry wolf syndrome going on.... we should have a list like the BBB but for the porn business....every year we could elect a non partisan commision to head this org. we could hold the election at the AVN in Jan. anybody on a trade ticket has a right to vote... if they are a principle in their business...if they do not or can not attend, they can fax their info in..i.e. business type and name registration etc....you know a valid way to mail in their vote..

sextoyking · 05-21-2003, 10:58 AM

Escort,

you don't like the banners we did for you?

damm I won't use myself as content next time I guess. LOL

PrivateEye · 05-21-2003, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
In the past month I used tons of people for different services, i.e. web design, banners, photo shoots, and tons of other stuff.

Right across the board 50% bullshitted me and missed their prommised deadline, and all had dramatic stories to tell on why they cant make it.

I am very upset because it took my project and pushed it off.

I won't sit back and get fucked by noone regardless who they are or think they are, just wondering should I post their info here or what?

You could review them on a webpage...kinda like what Choker is doing with the traffic brokers...If they dont like the review they get....they would halfta do something for you...to make it right :-)

And it would also praise the ones that deserve it...Anyone getting your reccomendations would be considered in high regards :-)

Brujah · 05-21-2003, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by sextoyking
Escort,

you don't like the banners we did for you?

damm I won't use myself as content next time I guess. LOL

I don't blame you Escort. He tried to push those EatToddNude banners off on me too.

jimmyf · 05-21-2003, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
In the past month I used tons of people for different services, i.e. web design, banners, photo shoots, and tons of other stuff.

Right across the board 50% bullshitted me and missed their prommised deadline, and all had dramatic stories to tell on why they cant make it.

I am very upset because it took my project and pushed it off.

I won't sit back and get fucked by noone regardless who they are or think they are, just wondering should I post their info here or what?

Are you bull shitting?

Hell yes post the names..

Tala · 05-21-2003, 11:08 AM

I hate people who fuck others over like that. It makes the rest of us look bad.

I got jacked for $200 worth of work, which might not sound like much, but it was still my money. That money was for a bit of work that I foolishly did for weth0ney. Never again.

Expose 'em, hon. Let the rest of us know whom to avoid.

Tala · 05-21-2003, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deeprub

You could review them on a webpage...kinda like what Choker is doing with the traffic brokers...If they dont like the review they get....they would halfta do something for you...to make it right :-)

And it would also praise the ones that deserve it...Anyone getting your reccomendations would be considered in high regards :-)

Hey, I'll donate the domain for that!

EscortBiz · 05-21-2003, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Escort,

I would first suggest you talk to the person in question reasonably about your dissatisfaction and see if it can't be resolved in some way to your liking. If it were me on the other end of it, I would normally offer some banners or other work to you for free or maybe a price break on the original deal or something as a make-good for whatever has happened.... (I don't know your specific situation) If it's a photographer, maybe he can offer you some extra stuff as well.

If that doesn't work, then out them so someone else doesn't end up asking this next week.

Its many different service providers, I know this might sound crazy but I used over 30 people to do different stuff for me in the past month.

But your advice makes perfect sence

jimmyf · 05-21-2003, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by nofx
If you got fucked out of some money, post it.

Last time I checked time is money.

EscortBiz · 05-21-2003, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Tala
I hate people who fuck others over like that. It makes the rest of us look bad.

I got jacked for $200 worth of work, which might not sound like much, but it was still my money. That money was for a bit of work that I foolishly did for weth0ney. Never again.

Expose 'em, hon. Let the rest of us know whom to avoid.

Thanks Tala the stories job you just did for me was great work :-)

EscortBiz · 05-21-2003, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
Last time I checked time is money.

EXACTLY!!!

sextoyking · 05-21-2003, 11:12 AM

Brujah,

Would you want this face as content? Not, but old pic also

http://www.privatelabelresources.com/webmasteru/retail

SexySarah · 05-21-2003, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

perfect sence

learn english stupid jew

Tala · 05-21-2003, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

Thanks Tala the stories job you just did for me was great work :-)

You're welcome and thank you! Glad you liked 'em.

jimmyf · 05-21-2003, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

EXACTLY!!!

So does this mean I did good work and was on time?

sextoyking · 05-21-2003, 11:15 AM

Sexysarah,

your not smart enough or good looking enough for any of us jews.

go back to the gutter

SleazyDream · 05-21-2003, 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Colin
EscortBiz,

Im my experience it'd be bigger news when people DID hit deadlines than when they didn't. ;-)

exactly

jimmyf · 05-21-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by SexySarah

learn english stupid jew

Wow you got's to be Ugly fart face with a tongue like that. Would you mind if I just refer to you as Ugly Fart Face from now on?

Joesho · 05-21-2003, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
Wow you got's to be Ugly fart face with a tongue like that. Would you mind if I just refer to you as Ugly Fart Face from now on?

Now I like this, this is funny shit...hahaaha that is a good name....

Juicy D. Links · 05-21-2003, 12:24 PM

If i missed on my promised dates of delivery I would loose alot of customers. That aint no way to run a business especially since repeat customers should bea number one priority. FOr example if some says they need so and so by so and so day. THE SHIT GOTTA get done and there by so and so .

Lane · 05-21-2003, 12:29 PM

This is not very related but since I actually studied on this subject....

only around 25-30% of all programming projects in the US finish on time and on budget. this is sad but true and hasnt changed much over the decades.
i'd just say, always keep your expectations low

Joesho · 05-21-2003, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
If i missed on my promised dates of delivery I would loose alot of customers. That aint no way to run a business especially since repeat customers should bea number one priority. FOr example if some says they need so and so by so and so day. THE SHIT GOTTA get done and there by so and so .

I am with Juicylinks!!! shit is shit and all that shit...

EscortBiz · 05-21-2003, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
If i missed on my promised dates of delivery I would loose alot of customers. That aint no way to run a business especially since repeat customers should bea number one priority. FOr example if some says they need so and so by so and so day. THE SHIT GOTTA get done and there by so and so .

juicy tell that to 123 ez tees and hit me up on ICQ

Jer · 05-21-2003, 02:37 PM

I like what AMP posted, everyone wins that way.

FlyingIguana · 05-21-2003, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
In the past month I used tons of people for different services, i.e. web design, banners, photo shoots, and tons of other stuff.

Right across the board 50% bullshitted me and missed their prommised deadline, and all had dramatic stories to tell on why they cant make it.

I am very upset because it took my project and pushed it off.

I won't sit back and get fucked by noone regardless who they are or think they are, just wondering should I post their info here or what?

i always try to be conservative when i enter into a deal like a traffic deal. if i end up sending 50% more uniques than the guy paid for, fuck it. better than sending 1% less.

Daen · 05-21-2003, 06:55 PM

I hire a small apartment above a deli as a studio, and I enter the building via the deli. Last month the deli owner changed the locks and did not give me a key, because of this I had to cancel a photo shoot. Should I post the name of the deli so you can all buy your cold meats somewhere else?

detoxed · 05-21-2003, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Daen
I hire a small apartment above a deli as a studio, and I enter the building via the deli. Last month the deli owner changed the locks and did not give me a key, because of this I had to cancel a photo shoot. Should I post the name of the deli so you can all buy your cold meats somewhere else?

please do

AngelAllgood · 05-21-2003, 07:40 PM

expose em

SureFire · 05-21-2003, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Daen
I hire a small apartment above a deli as a studio, and I enter the building via the deli. Last month the deli owner changed the locks and did not give me a key, because of this I had to cancel a photo shoot. Should I post the name of the deli so you can all buy your cold meats somewhere else?

cute... please post the deli address and set up a paypal account so we can donate to the poor deli owner so he can get you a set of new keys, and we won't buy anything from him but you will meet your deadline next time. BTW, if you hire a small apartment what exactly does it do?

EscortBiz, since you never responded to me please expose them.

KRL · 05-21-2003, 08:16 PM

No, you'll just end up wasting more of your time in pissing contests all month long when they start defending themselves. Inevitably a few will seek vegeance for the disclosure which will create additional hassles and waste of your time.

If someone doesn't perform to your expections its very simple, never use them again and if someone comes to you for a recommendation for them tell them straight up they didn't perform.

The only way you succeed long term in any industry is your rep. Good reps are best propogated by good word of mouth. Those that fuck others eventually disappear because no one will be recommending them to anyone else.

A slow death is always the best revenge.

EscortBiz · 05-21-2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by KRL

A slow death is always the best revenge.

I like that

SureFire · 05-21-2003, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

......
A slow death is always the best revenge.

Very good advice but us 'drama sluts' would like to see them exposed.

Tala · 05-21-2003, 08:49 PM

( . )Y( . )

There. I've exposed myself.

jayeff · 05-21-2003, 09:02 PM

If someone fails to do something properly and on time, you don't owe them any courtesy whatsoever. It isn't your job to contact them to give them chance to make amends: that's their job. If they neither do the work to spec nor (quickly) offer compensation without being prompted, you would be doing everyone here a favor by letting us know who to avoid. You would also be doing a favor to the people who do have decent standards.

That said, in industries where doing a late or half-assed job first time out of the box is the norm, the customer is supposed to know what to expect. It's crazy, but fellow customers, although screwed themselves, won't be too sympathetic if all you got was the "normal" runaround.

When you are dealing with people in those industries, don't just hope for the best. Make it clear from the off you don't want the usual crap and stay on top of the job: don't wait for the deadline to pass. Keeping in touch also gives you a chance to judge whether they tried their best against real problems (that's forgivable) or just jerked you around. Never ever give someone who jerked you around a second chance, because you already proved that you will stand for it, so you can expect more of the same.

The only reason low standards are so common is that people put up with them and keep quiet about businesses which work that way. This is a small community: if we didn't protect all the villains and losers, there wouldn't be near as many of them.

SureFire · 05-21-2003, 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by Tala
( . )Y( . )

There. I've exposed myself.

Thanks

greentea · 05-21-2003, 09:23 PM

fuck that

expose these fuckers for who they are

KRL · 05-21-2003, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by greentea
fuck that

expose these fuckers for who they are

Most people who have money to spend know who the bad apples are. You think there's not another board behind this board and another board behind that one?

kaylacam · 05-21-2003, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
In the past month I used tons of people for different services, i.e. web design, banners, photo shoots, and tons of other stuff.

Right across the board 50% bullshitted me and missed their prommised deadline, and all had dramatic stories to tell on why they cant make it.

I am very upset because it took my project and pushed it off.

I won't sit back and get fucked by noone regardless who they are or think they are, just wondering should I post their info here or what?

As long as they are not ME, rat them out!
lol

PornoDoggy · 05-21-2003, 10:10 PM

Dole them out one at a time ... keeps up the drama.

05-21-2003, 10:41 AM	#1
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05-21-2003, 10:43 AM	#2
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05-21-2003, 10:45 AM	#5
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05-21-2003, 10:46 AM	#6
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05-21-2003, 10:46 AM	#7
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05-21-2003, 10:45 AM	#4
hybrid So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Backseat of a Ford Escort Hatchback Posts: 3,253	When you hire a plumber, and he fucks you around, what do you do? Post on a message board? Hire somebody else? IMO, unless it's involving money, there's no reason to drag somebody through the mud. You should have enough influence with your close contacts that word of mouth is quite enough. Anything else makes you seem a drama queen. On the other hand; it does decrease efficiency. Guess it's ultimately up to you.

05-21-2003, 10:54 AM	#11
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Escort, I would first suggest you talk to the person in question reasonably about your dissatisfaction and see if it can't be resolved in some way to your liking. If it were me on the other end of it, I would normally offer some banners or other work to you for free or maybe a price break on the original deal or something as a make-good for whatever has happened.... (I don't know your specific situation) If it's a photographer, maybe he can offer you some extra stuff as well. If that doesn't work, then out them so someone else doesn't end up asking this next week. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

05-21-2003, 10:55 AM	#12
Joesho want to get in shape Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on the lake Posts: 12,329	Bullshit is aproblem in any business, but it should only be a problem for the bullshitters, not for the guys trying to conduct themselves in a proper manner..... expose the fuckers... they will have a chance to respond in their defense here at GFY... of course this opens people to unethical bullshit attacks then we have the old cry wolf syndrome going on.... we should have a list like the BBB but for the porn business....every year we could elect a non partisan commision to head this org. we could hold the election at the AVN in Jan. anybody on a trade ticket has a right to vote... if they are a principle in their business...if they do not or can not attend, they can fax their info in..i.e. business type and name registration etc....you know a valid way to mail in their vote.. __________________ Got any domains to sell? I proudly host all my stuff at www.rackco.com

05-21-2003, 10:58 AM	#13
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05-21-2003, 11:08 AM	#17
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	I hate people who fuck others over like that. It makes the rest of us look bad. I got jacked for $200 worth of work, which might not sound like much, but it was still my money. That money was for a bit of work that I foolishly did for weth0ney. Never again. Expose 'em, hon. Let the rest of us know whom to avoid. __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

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05-21-2003, 11:15 AM	#27
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05-21-2003, 12:24 PM	#31
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	If i missed on my promised dates of delivery I would loose alot of customers. That aint no way to run a business especially since repeat customers should bea number one priority. FOr example if some says they need so and so by so and so day. THE SHIT GOTTA get done and there by so and so .

05-21-2003, 12:29 PM	#32
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	This is not very related but since I actually studied on this subject.... only around 25-30% of all programming projects in the US finish on time and on budget. this is sad but true and hasnt changed much over the decades. i'd just say, always keep your expectations low __________________

05-21-2003, 02:37 PM	#35
Jer God is Brazilian Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brazil Posts: 10,601	I like what AMP posted, everyone wins that way.

05-21-2003, 06:55 PM	#37
Daen Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 177	I hire a small apartment above a deli as a studio, and I enter the building via the deli. Last month the deli owner changed the locks and did not give me a key, because of this I had to cancel a photo shoot. Should I post the name of the deli so you can all buy your cold meats somewhere else?

05-21-2003, 07:40 PM	#39
AngelAllgood Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 295	expose em __________________ PG4L

05-21-2003, 08:16 PM	#41
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	No, you'll just end up wasting more of your time in pissing contests all month long when they start defending themselves. Inevitably a few will seek vegeance for the disclosure which will create additional hassles and waste of your time. If someone doesn't perform to your expections its very simple, never use them again and if someone comes to you for a recommendation for them tell them straight up they didn't perform. The only way you succeed long term in any industry is your rep. Good reps are best propogated by good word of mouth. Those that fuck others eventually disappear because no one will be recommending them to anyone else. A slow death is always the best revenge. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

05-21-2003, 08:49 PM	#44
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05-21-2003, 09:02 PM	#45
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	If someone fails to do something properly and on time, you don't owe them any courtesy whatsoever. It isn't your job to contact them to give them chance to make amends: that's their job. If they neither do the work to spec nor (quickly) offer compensation without being prompted, you would be doing everyone here a favor by letting us know who to avoid. You would also be doing a favor to the people who do have decent standards. That said, in industries where doing a late or half-assed job first time out of the box is the norm, the customer is supposed to know what to expect. It's crazy, but fellow customers, although screwed themselves, won't be too sympathetic if all you got was the "normal" runaround. When you are dealing with people in those industries, don't just hope for the best. Make it clear from the off you don't want the usual crap and stay on top of the job: don't wait for the deadline to pass. Keeping in touch also gives you a chance to judge whether they tried their best against real problems (that's forgivable) or just jerked you around. Never ever give someone who jerked you around a second chance, because you already proved that you will stand for it, so you can expect more of the same. The only reason low standards are so common is that people put up with them and keep quiet about businesses which work that way. This is a small community: if we didn't protect all the villains and losers, there wouldn't be near as many of them. Last edited by jayeff; 05-21-2003 at 09:08 PM..

05-21-2003, 09:23 PM	#47
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	fuck that expose these fuckers for who they are __________________ blunts

05-21-2003, 10:10 PM	#50
PornoDoggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,053	Dole them out one at a time ... keeps up the drama.