psyko514

How legal are these? They seem pretty sketchy to me. They try and pass off the content as model shoots, but the sites are nothing but the teens shaking their T 'n' A in wet tshirts and see-thru tops...

What's the deal?

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yall

What kind of answer are you looking for? Obviously it aint right. Stop looking you perv.

psyko514

I know it ain't right. I'm curious as to whether or not it's illegal, and if it is, why they're getting away with it.

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yall

Well it's legal, but its borderline and risky business.

quiet

didn't someone get busted for running this type of site?

this is all i could find on google http://www.nbc5.com/news/2155156/detail.html

dchottie

You know funny enough I was on my way to bed the other night and flipped the TV on about 2 in the morning. Oprah was on and was interviewing a mother that had one of these modeling sites for her 12 year old I think. The idea of the project was to get her exposure to possible contract offers but the whole thesis of the site basically was people paid a membership fee to see her "portfolio" and have weekly chat sessions with her. They were asked about the members of the site and something like 85% were men over 30. They also had a deal where the members could purchase an outfit or series of outfits and send it to her and she would take pictures in these outfits and send them to the member. Surprise, surprise one of the outfits was a catholic school girl outfit. Some of the outfits this child was wearing I wouldn't wear and some of the ways she was posing I felt were pretty seductive. Now this is a freakin twelve year old for christ sake. 12 year olds shouldn't even be wearing makeup in my opinion. I think the mom was just peddling her kids flesh to make a buck. It was pretty funny when Oprah told her basically the same thing.

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yall

That clearly states that they DID find nude photos. Either way, I still think it should be illegal. The intention is so fucking obvious, be it nude or not.

psyko514

i vaguely remember a thread about someone getting busted, but then later being cleared.

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quiet

yeah, i read the article before i posted it. it also sounds like they were investigating his modeling sites before finding any nude photos.

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KRL

Just search google under the image search page for teen model. The guy running the (model name)-model.com series is one of the biggest out there. He really pushes the limits. Checkout the processing companies that are processing for this. Amazing. They are just as guilty in my opinion. Companies we all know unfortunately.

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psyko514

that's exactly who i'm referring to.
as far as i know, the processor is notorious for processing for sketchy content. the domain is registered in texas though.

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KRL

For a while, shit I hate naming names, but its one of the big 3, was billing for the nonnudes and everyone jumped on them on YNOT. I'm not sure how deep they are in that market still, but there was so much money in it, I guess they felt the risk was worth it, despite all the heat they took on the webmaster boards.

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quiet

more discussion here:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hlight=nonnude

C_U_Next_Tuesday

I seen that and man did i get pissed off.. Oprah sure was pissed and was having a hard time not saying how she really felt..fucking sick bastards..

KRL

What they really need to do is prosecute the parents of these girls. Obviously they are the ones cashing the kids checks and most likely pocketing the money.

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dchottie

Yeah watching the expressions on her face was pretty damn funny. You could tell she was controlling her anger and her questions to the mother were so sarcastic and the mother was totally missing it.

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C_U_Next_Tuesday

I know..i couldnt believe it..the mom really had no clue.. i wanted to call and tell her ..lol. the pervy uncle totally creeps me out..what a pedophile...poor girl i feel bad for here.. i dont think she really has no idea what thes fuckers are doing to her..

psyko514

A lot of these girls on the sites I'm referring to seem to be 15-17... I think at that age, they should be smart enough to realize what the purpose of their sites are. If not, they lead a very sheltered life.

I knew chicks like this in high school. I'm sure they love all the attention, and I'm sure they get a good chunk of the cash.

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Rochard

The person you are all asking about is James Grady of Denver, CO. He ran a site called True Teen Babes. He was arrested, and they shut his ass down - destroyed him.

Here's a recent article I found about him - Looks like he went to trial and found innocent:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E181%257E1241970,00.html?search=filte r

I don't defend this type of conduct - I'm not sure if his conduct was legally or morally right, but this is a great example of what law enforcement can do to you if they "think" you are doing something wrong. They will slam you against the wall and destroy you before you get to trial. In this case, he was found innocent yet they destroyed him.

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Paul Markham

But portraying children as sexual is an industry in the US.

I watched a program about Child Beauty Pageants, following the murder of the young girl in Boulder. Anyone know what happened in that case?

The Pageants were projecting 5 years olds as sexy, with their make up, clothing and the way they presented themselves. The whole thing was sick and driven by the parents.

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psyko514

I'm not talking about Jim Grady... the sites in question are still up (KRL posted info about them)

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psyko514

Jon Benet Ramsey... the case has become nothing but tabloid fodder.

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Paul Markham

At 15-17 most US teen girls know what they are doing. And they are using themselves to make money.

What they do not understand is the consequence of their actions. Which are, they get a lot of money, the guy running the site goes to prison and they remain annonamous. Maybe if over 15 year olds were named there might be less of them doing it.

Look at the 16 year olds around you, not exactly children. They should be taught resposibility.

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psyko514

The consequences don't affect them, so they don't care. And if sit blows up, they turn around and claim that they were exploited, etc. At 15-17 years old, none of these girls are being forced into these sites.

I'm not that far off from 16 (I'm 20) and I had a good understanding of responsibility and of consequences of my actions at 16-17 years old.

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psyko514

My thread clearly specifies underaged non-nudes

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KRL

That is amazing that he was acquitted. Wow, if they can't nail that type of crap, we can breathe a lot easier with the regular stuff.

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Exxxotica

That non-nude stuff gives me a boner

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if you mean sites like christinamodel.com -- even though its 'non-nude' there are enough quick nude teases in the photo/vids that in my opinion it is nudity.

I discovered about the site about 6 months ago when a staffer/owner of the site signed up as a member of our website lol.

psyko514

did you read the topic?

FTVGirls, those are actualy the sites I'm referring to

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TheVTheP

it`s sick , leave the kids alone....

polish_aristocrat

BTW, sites like mosteroticteens.com that used to offer NUDE pics of 16 yo girls I believe, offer now only 18+ models...

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Mutt

you are a scumbag if you are an adult man running websites with mid-teenagers, 14-17, nude or NON-nude.

I have no problem with a slutty little 15 year old putting up her own website to tease guys, most girls are losing their virginity at 14-15, younger in some ethnic groups. It's the 40 year old creep who is always in the background of these sites I have a problem with. We all know there are plenty of 18 and 19 year olds out there to work with. They recruit the young teens for a reason.

And those people in the child beauty pageant business in the United States - they should be put outta business.

The mainstream entertainment business is a little different, they do the same thing with Britney Spears but at least there is another product being sold, music, it's a whole package, part of which are the sexy costumes and posters.

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Bulworth

I think they're legal, but "sketchy" is a good word to use. I'll be honest, as a 23 year old guy, I find some of the late teen models for these sites being spammed to usenet are pretty cute. One in particular "Lalana Model" is damn fine, no idea if she's 18 or not, but she's hot. Sorry but it's in my genes!

There's a particular example of this type of site I remember, cause the asshole used to spam the living HELL out of usenet, including the nospam.teenfem group where spam is not permitted. It was molly-model.com (cutie!) which was run by Gary Smith. He also ran photostudio17.com which had multiple models. As I remember it turns out the guy had prior convictions for feeling up an underage girl in Arkansas and also got convicted of taking illicit pics.

NOTE: I do NOT have any proof of this, and I did a search but couldn't find much regarding charges aside from the ageofconsent.com link below, so take it with a grain of salt. This is not meant as slander/libel, but just what I remember at the time. There were several TV news website stories posted to usenet when all of this was new and interesting, but I can't find them at Google. It's possible that the guy's never touched a girl in his life so I'm not making any accusations.

For awhile there was somebody posting his mugshot from the sex offender registry into usenet.

Here are some relevant references I could find in a Google search for Gary Smith and "PhotoStudio17"

http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...501/page6.html

http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2001...c1001_02.shtml

http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/photogbusted.htm

http://www.glgarden.org/Dissident/Di...delVideos.html

I'd be interested in seeing other info about Gary Smith if anyone's got it.

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stocktrader23

You think that's bad. I ran across a nude underage site 2 or 3 years ago. On the main page it said it wasn't child porn, or any porn for that matter because all of the photos were just candid shots of kids being kids, blah blah blah. I actually found it from a site that had it linked and a link to turn it in to the feds.

Needless to say the site is still up and running and I believe it was registered with a TX address.

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Any site with content of anyone under the age of 18 just can't be legal. One of the sites mentioned above - christinamodel.com - Might be legal by the letter of the law, but it's still the sexual exploitation of someone who is under age.

I mentioned this thread to my wife, and she handed me the "woman's" magazine she was looking at. Half of the woman in this "woman's" magazine looked under the age of eighteen, and the pictures were all sexual in nature. It's horroble.

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playa

you need to bring yourself down to their level,
stop thinking like a internet business man and more of
an AOL newbie

most these kids and parents are tricked,, lot of them don't realize what there getting into.

These companies give themselves off like a legit teen modeling agency trying to make their kids into celebrities

DutchTeenCash

ill give my 2 cents weve got 2 non nude sites and they convert like whoa, then again theyre 200% us legal and 18+. Most sites arent and we get loads of ppl who have underage nnsite and wanna trade banners or even buy traffic.

Most of these sites are european (a lot are german) and they all use verotel or globosale, because ccbill ibill etc wont process (and they shouldnt).

Its a matter of time i think, the EU is preparing law changes for sites like these, but then again theyll find another offshore cc proc and host i guess. Im glad were on good side and only offer 18+ even though its nonnude (and dont say its just a nude series first 25 pics cause its not).

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Rip

"see sears catalogue underwear section"

anyway there is absolutely nothing that you are going to do about it, unless you have some sort of morality police who inspect every single frame and reject it or approve it.

The police are doing a much better job getting those individuals who go beyond the line (than they did about 4-5 years ago) so if they misstep, they will be charged


If you were respected in any way, which would you rather be found out about;

a) porn webmaster
b) webmaster who runs non nude underage tittilation sites selling memberships to paedophiles

I choose 'a'

psyko514

What I'm wondering is if they're really legal?
Many of these sites have girls in thongs, see-thru tops, wet t-shirts, etc where nipples/areola are clearly visible. Is that legal? Can they pull the "Well, she's got a shirt over them" defense?

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dchottie

ok after a little digging this is the website that I was referring to being on Oprah. http://www.cindymodel.com/ Check out this site but also click on the other sites on the page like codymodel and the other ones. This is as close to child pornography as you can get without them being totally nude.

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Mr.Fiction

Don't get involved with that shit.

There's plenty of money to be made without walking that line.

psyko514

For the record, I wasn't interested in doing an underage non-nude site. I was just wondering why these sites are running, despite being so obviously sketchy/borderline.

dchottie:
if you check the site mentioned above, christinamodel.com, you'll see that they come even closer to child porn then cindymodel.com does. it basically a 16/17 year old top-heavy girl wearing plunging necklines and thongs. cindymodel.com is much less offensive then this site. and the same guy runs a whole network of sites with at least half a dozen other girls.

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peaceful

I don't understand why people keep talking as if the models are victim. They make huge bucks there. They could be models when they grow up, which is one of the best jobs in the world.

There are many other things that are dangers for minor. School bully, thief, burglar, kidnappers. Dead penalty are not imposed for those heinous crime and you guys are rambling about some guy helping models earn a living.

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Fucker.