Originally Posted by O MARINA (Post 22974964)

March 7, 2022
Nissan has suspended vehicle exports to Russia and plans to cease production at its factory in St. Petersburg soon, the company said on Monday.
Nissan donating $2.75 million to Ukraine relief
Japanese automaker operates a factory in St. Petersburg, Russia.
‘We have all been moved by the suffering of so many people and families – including members of our own Nissan family.’

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22974878)

Probably, but some of it just seems so unbelievable like him being lied to about the state of the army. Were they hiding the soviet tanks when he visited?

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 22974965)

Damn...Kuril islands are now lost forever.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22974786)

still has a better inside knowledge than anyone posting on GFY :2 cents:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22974968)

technically it's the worst invasion in military history, the only reasons they are still there are the sheer numbers and the fact they are shooting at everything and everyone.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22974173)

I don't think it's a matter of people supporting aggression, I think it's more a matter of media bullshitting and propaganda coming from both sides. Here is the problem for me...

I keep hearing how many Russian soldiers killed, how many civilians killed, but I have not read on any news site here how many UA soldiers were killed. Our media is spun in a way to make it sound like Russia is getting it's ass handed to them, which I find a bit hard to believe.

Photos and videos of captured Russian soldiers that may be Ukrainian for all we know (or maybe they are captured Russians), and it's mostly young guys that look like they were picked up while plowing a field in some Siberian village.

I keep reading how Russians are killing many civilians, but if the civilians are getting guns then are they counting those deaths as civilians or combatants?

I keep reading how Russia is indiscriminately bombing civilian targets and apartment blocks, yet there are only 351 civilians dead? Giving the amount of bombing and fighting in urban areas that are not completely evacuated (since only 1,5 million people left that country so far out of 44 mil population) - that does actually sound like they are avoiding hitting infrastructure or civilian deaths. There is still power and internet pretty much everywhere. You can view webcams in most of the cities.

Now on the other side you have videos coming out of Russia saying the UA people are greeting them as saviors, you have weird (possibly green-screen) video of Putin with flight attendants for some reason, etc.

Now, I am not supportive of Putin by any means but you cannot really be surprised that people start to wonder if something is up when so much of what you hear is so manipulated. I honestly cannot even form an opinion on this topic anymore because I cannot believe a word the news says.

In other news, 922k refugees in Poland alone so far. We'll probably break a million today or tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22975107)

Cut the BS and stop doing business with Russians.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22974726)

Interesting read but at this point if the guy's been out of politics since 2000 he's pretty much LARPing.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22974968)

they are using store bought Motorola radios for communication, everyone can listen to them

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22974968)

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22975099)

I hope Paxum freezes the cards that belong to Russians ASAP in case they haven't done it yet.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ 2.0 (Post 22975207)

Curious why are you are punishing the people of Russia who pretty much agree with you and can do nothing to their president except go to jail.

Doesn't that make you just as bad as the Russian gov?

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22975208)

"People"? Are you serious?

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ 2.0 (Post 22975213)

yes, why are you advocating any form of business depravation for any Russian who had or cannot do anything about it? Accept go to jail? ...also, what about those Russian protestors sitting in jail right now. What about them? Fuck em'?

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22975217)

Oh noes, you don't know shit, and guess what, I am not spending time here to educate you.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ 2.0 (Post 22975218)

yeah, that's what I thought. You are just another tool. It's a simple question.

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22975219)

Go live in Ukraine for 40 years as I did, you will have all the answers.

Originally Posted by beavr (Post 22975123)

This ☝️

Every dollar sent to russia fuels evil economy that is looking to bomb civilians and support shitty dictators all over the world.

russian have to protest or get out of russia not to be a part of that

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ 2.0 (Post 22975220)

Look, I am not asking you to educate me. Just answer (if you can) those simple questions.

Originally Posted by O MARINA (Post 22975240)

Leo DiCaprio = Original Gangster, My Odessa Paisan, My Comrade

March 8, 2022
Hollywood superstar, has transferred ten million US dollars to the Ukrainian government as the war rages on between Russia and Ukraine.
It is noted that DiCaprio, who has Ukrainian roots through his maternal grandmother, has strongly condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine – joining a huge number of other celebrities around the world to have done so.
Leonardo DiCaprio has donated $10 USD million to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the highest amount of donations provided to the country so far.



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That's just the way it is

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd (Post 22975314)

I will answer. I think what we learned from the 1930s/40s is that this type of gross breaking of international law needs to be met as harshly as possible as quickly as possible. Choosing a few pain points for a few people will not change the direction of this conflict, what might change it is inflicting economic and cultural pain everywhere all at once to quickly wake up the most people. 100 people protesting will result in 100 jail cells filled. 500k people can not be arrested. That could change things. I am aware that many of Putin's supporters will not be affected by these sanctions and will not get western news which while not perfect is still more accurate. And they don't have Paxum cards.

What do you believe the answer should be? WWIII? Light sanctions that have no effect? I don't know the answer either, but I feel like if Putin and his supporters want to act like it is 1912 and take over a neighbor then they get to live by themselves in 1912 like world or demand to be part of the modern world and act like it.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22975714)

Pretty bullshit play from the USA today. They gave the 'green light' as NATO for Poland to deliver MIG-29s to Ukraine. Poland offered to instead deliver them free to Rammstein in Germany to USA's disposal so they can pass them along to UA, and then we'd immediately BUY used F16s (only thing available) from them to replace them. Suddenly, 180 degree turn. This is unacceptable and The Pentagon is shocked and appalled, and "Raises Serious Concerns For Entire NATO Alliance" :1orglaugh

Seems no one wants responsibility for escalation (same with Russia given that they aren't really entering western UA), but a war is fine as long as it's in Eastern Europe...

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22975714)

Pretty bullshit play from the USA today. They gave the 'green light' as NATO for Poland to deliver MIG-29s to Ukraine. Poland offered to instead deliver them free to Rammstein in Germany to USA's disposal so they can pass them along to UA, and then we'd immediately BUY used F16s (only thing available) from them to replace them. Suddenly, 180 degree turn. This is unacceptable and The Pentagon is shocked and appalled, and "Raises Serious Concerns For Entire NATO Alliance" :1orglaugh

Seems no one wants responsibility for escalation (same with Russia given that they aren't really entering western UA), but a war is fine as long as it's in Eastern Europe...

Originally Posted by ZTT (Post 22975745)

The way I read it[1], it was a bullshit play from Poland.

If Poland wants to give its Migs to Ukraine they can fly them to Ukraine.

Instead they wanted to move the crosshairs of any Russian retaliation to the US/Germany by flying them to Ramstein Air Base.

And if Poland wants to BUY F-16s, nobody is stopping them. The way it reads in the article below, though, and the Polish government statement it links to, sounds like they wanted F-16s in return for the Migs.


[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ets-us-ukraine

Originally Posted by beavr (Post 22975123)

russian have to protest or get out of russia not to be a part of that

Originally Posted by beavr (Post 22975123)

This ☝️

Every dollar sent to russia fuels evil economy that is looking to bomb civilians and support shitty dictators all over the world.

russian have to protest or get out of russia not to be a part of that

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd (Post 22975314)

I will answer. I think what we learned from the 1930s/40s is that this type of gross breaking of international law needs to be met as harsh as possible as quickly as possible. Choosing a few pain points for a few people will not change the direction of this conflict, what might change it is inflicting economic and cultural pain everywhere all at once with the goal of quickly waking up the most people. 100 people protesting will result in 100 jail cells filled. 500k people can not be arrested. That could can change things.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22975714)

Pretty bullshit play from the USA today. They gave the 'green light' as NATO for Poland to deliver MIG-29s to Ukraine. Poland offered to instead deliver them free to Rammstein in Germany to USA's disposal so they can pass them along to UA, and then we'd immediately BUY used F16s (only thing available) from them to replace them. Suddenly, 180 degree turn. This is unacceptable and The Pentagon is shocked and appalled, and "Raises Serious Concerns For Entire NATO Alliance" :1orglaugh

Seems no one wants responsibility for escalation (same with Russia given that they aren't really entering western UA), but a war is fine as long as it's in Eastern Europe...

Originally Posted by O MARINA (Post 22975913)

Guys please keep calm. Ukrainian Borscht, Chicken Kiev !

Originally Posted by TACNet (Post 22976123)

Putin knows that the west will do anything to avoid all out war and hes using that knowledge against us.

He threatens to escalate if another country provides aircraft to Ukraine because he knows full well that we will back down. And yet he's bringing in troops from Syria and we do nothing

We should put every plane we can get our hands on into Ukraine and dare him to attack us !

There's no way he could justify attacking USA/Nato to the Russian people. They might be brainwashed but they are not stupid

The Russians are just as scared of all out war as we are and we have to remind Putin of that fact

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22975757)

We don't have a thousand planes, we have a war going on over our border and we simply can't be without these planes - thus if the US wanted us to give the planes we need SOMETHING to defend ourselves with.

Originally Posted by TACNet (Post 22976123)

we do nothing

Originally Posted by ZTT (Post 22976139)

No, the US simply rejected a new plan that Poland announced without warning.

Originally Posted by TACNet (Post 22976123)

He threatens to escalate if another country provides aircraft to Ukraine because he knows full well that we will back down. And yet he's bringing in troops from Syria and we do nothing

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22976167)

No. First off, Poland didn't announce a plan - it made an offer.

Originally Posted by ZTT (Post 22976182)

Yes, that was some "offer". Very charitable. "Offering" to have a target painted on the US instead of Poland.

Originally Posted by ZTT (Post 22976182)

Do you seriously think Russia is going to forget the planes are from Poland because instead of flying direct, they had a stopover in Germany first?

Originally Posted by ZTT (Post 22976182)

How is it getting yourself involved if there's a "green light" from NATO?

Originally Posted by ZTT (Post 22976182)

Right, because Poland never wanted to do it, but didn't want to look like the ones rejecting it. Otherwise they could have simply ruled it out from the start.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22976208)

Come on man, seriously? This is what it comes down to:
MIG-29s flying to Ukraine from Polish airports = Green light.
MIG-29s flying to Ukraine from German airports = "Raises Serious Concerns For Entire NATO Alliance"



The "offer" for Poland to deliver themselves came from the US to begin with. Also very charitable, to paint a target on Poland instead of the US.




Who knows. If we give them to the US or give them to NATO or whatever, then it's up to them what they want to use it for. Everyone's been giving anti-tank rockets and stuff, so who knows how this would be treated differently. I think the main concern was the combat missions being flow from Polish airports.



First of all it was the US not NATO that gave the green light. So why doesn't the US use the "green light" that it gave us for themselves? Why is Poland giving them not escalating and fine but the second the US is supposed to give them it's too risky? Because the retaliatory strikes would be on Poland and not "more important" places like Germany and the US. We are expendable, and exist only to give NATO an extra 24 hours. Poland said that they would give the planes directly only if ALL nato countries agreed.



They did rule it out from the start, the whole initial news about Poland, Slovakia and Bulgaria delivering planes was fake. Ukraine said that we would be delivering more MIGs then we actually even had. This was reporting by our chancellery of the prime minister the day after as fake news, as it was by slovakia and bulgaria. For bulgaria that would have been their whole airforce.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22976167)

No. First off, Poland didn't announce a plan - it made an offer.

Originally Posted by ZTT (Post 22976149)

Alright, apart from the support, sanctions, supplies, weaponry, intelligence, advisors, instructors, "ex-military", what has the West ever done for Ukraine?

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22976208)

I think the main concern was the combat missions being flow from Polish airports.

Originally Posted by TACNet (Post 22976296)

The point is that nothing we have done so far is going to stop Putin. All we have managed to do is slow him down

Its becoming clear that sanctions will not stop him. He knew sanctions were coming and he didnt even flinch.

Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 22976357)

i'm not that political, but Russia committed major war crimes when they targeted civilians.

Putin told his troops they were liberating Ukraine from white supremacists. this is revealing:



this is an interesting video too if you haven't seen it.

when they say "worst invasion in history" it is true. poor planning, old equipment, and no clue how to manage logistics for a war beyond their borders (and trains).

this video is a good summary of the war to date.





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Originally Posted by Scrapper (Post 22976414)

War crimes at this point only apply if you lose. Putin is not going to lose Russia. Plus they do not recognize EU laws. Also, this same principle is why Dick Cheney and GWB are not in jail.