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jonesy · 05-16-2003, 09:49 AM

your thoughts ....

KRL · 05-16-2003, 09:52 AM

Stormpay is one to consider. And there have been some others mentioned.

E-Gold is another one.
Yahoo has an e-mail transaction system.
Or e-mail KimmyKim for ePassporte.

d0se · 05-16-2003, 09:53 AM

epassporte maybe..

nuclei · 05-16-2003, 09:55 AM

epassporte looks like the winner to me so far

Master_Yoba · 05-16-2003, 10:07 AM

I think StormPay for now

Rich · 05-16-2003, 10:22 AM

https://www.neteller.com/
http://www.citadelcommerce.com/
http://www.firepay.com/
http://www.ecocard.com/
http://www.e-gold.com/

I use of all these services, and they're all good. I'd never use paypal.

Rich · 05-16-2003, 10:23 AM

Of coarse, I don't think I've ever heard any of those mentioned here, so maybe they don't take adult. They do all my casino banking.

asuna · 05-16-2003, 10:25 AM

Why don't people use the search feature on GFY?

JamesK · 05-16-2003, 10:34 AM

epassporte

CashGordon · 05-16-2003, 12:51 PM

I believe epassporte we will offer epassporte payment option soon at our sites.

AdultNex · 05-16-2003, 01:14 PM

Another one for Stormpay.com.

I haven't had any problems with them, and I've been with them for at least 4 months.

tony286 · 05-16-2003, 01:29 PM

Epassporte is scary,they want a guarantee (if they are collecting the fees for my site they should have the money for their fees)and they want your bank info(the answer I got on this one ,we want it because in the future we maybe adding a function.Why cant you ask for it when you have the function instead of my bank info sitting god knows where). It makes me nervous to give a offshore company my bank info, remember if they can put money in they can take money out. Also bothers me that no body can give a straight answer who owns it, this some of the owners of epoch maybe also be owners of epassporte but I dont know. Thats very weird. Most people are proud of what they own a part of , everybody is being vague. Be careful people, Kimmy and Chris seem like nice people but it makes me nervous.

harvey · 05-16-2003, 01:52 PM

Stormpay. Period.

I contacted epassporte and I got only an automated reply and since then, anything... maybe they're too busy to take care of my business, but it makes me think what would happen if I need something fast? On the other hand, Stormpay is exactly the same as Paypal (well, better since it handles all transactions, all countries and has shopping carts) without the hassle. So be smart and while you are at it, click this nice STORMPAY LINK

mike503 · 05-16-2003, 02:13 PM

hmm, this was the perfect thread for me right now.

one question - does stormpay/alternatives have easy to use automated methods for setting up recurring payments, and notifications of those payments? i *just* got a paypal IPN thing setup and now i have to worry that the sites i coded it for might be kicked from paypal.. i suppose i can look myself but reading the stuff on a site vs. someone actually trying to use it can be much different

mike503 · 05-16-2003, 02:19 PM

StormPay.com
Copthall, PO Box 2331
Roseau, Common Wealth of Dominica
West Indies

heh.

interesting?

KRL · 05-16-2003, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
hmm, this was the perfect thread for me right now.

one question - does stormpay/alternatives have easy to use automated methods for setting up recurring payments, and notifications of those payments? i *just* got a paypal IPN thing setup and now i have to worry that the sites i coded it for might be kicked from paypal.. i suppose i can look myself but reading the stuff on a site vs. someone actually trying to use it can be much different

YES, StormPay has recurring subscriptions. Everything is easy as pie. The Virtual Money, Inc. staff are great to work with also and they handle the GlobalPay ATM card for transferring funds from your StormPay sales to your ATM card.

4Pics · 05-16-2003, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
Epassporte is scary,they want a guarantee (if they are collecting the fees for my site they should have the money for their fees)and they want your bank info(the answer I got on this one ,we want it because in the future we maybe adding a function.Why cant you ask for it when you have the function instead of my bank info sitting god knows where). It makes me nervous to give a offshore company my bank info, remember if they can put money in they can take money out. Also bothers me that no body can give a straight answer who owns it, this some of the owners of epoch maybe also be owners of epassporte but I dont know. Thats very weird. Most people are proud of what they own a part of , everybody is being vague. Be careful people, Kimmy and Chris seem like nice people but it makes me nervous.

Glad to see I am not the only one. I never got a straight answer but being as how Epoch is promoting them and helping they are involved somehow.

Just get a Merchant account with Netbilling and you won't need to worry about who can process your shit.

mike503 · 05-16-2003, 02:35 PM

There is a $2 fee associated with doing Bank Account Transfers.

hmm - the people i would be referring to this service might not like that.

are there any with paypal's fee structure? where bank transfers don't cost anything?

RATBOY · 05-16-2003, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
There is a $2 fee associated with doing Bank Account Transfers.

hmm - the people i would be referring to this service might not like that.

are there any with paypal's fee structure? where bank transfers don't cost anything?

I don't know, I think that's pretty reasonable compared with ATM fees.

mike503 · 05-16-2003, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RATBOY

I don't know, I think that's pretty reasonable compared with ATM fees.

yeah but ATM fees you have a choice if you want to be charged or not. just go to your own bank and you don't get dinged..

it looks like netbilling has a $199 setup fee and $25 per month... i guess i won't be using them right now (especially since i have many small people doing their own payment crap, it's not all my own stuff.)

KRL · 05-16-2003, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
StormPay.com
Copthall, PO Box 2331
Roseau, Common Wealth of Dominica
West Indies

heh.

interesting?

You might as well get used to doing international business, because that's were everything is going to HAVE to be at the rate things are tightening up in the US.

Everything is going offshore.

mike503 · 05-16-2003, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

You might as well get used to doing international business, because that's were everything is going to HAVE to be at the rate things are tightening up in the US.

Everything is going offshore.

yeah it's just a little nerveracking. everyone's doing it but at the same time how do you pick the good from the bad when they all look shady? they're dodging the lamer laws of the US but at the same time making it really easy to take the money and run..

tony286 · 05-16-2003, 06:51 PM

I think your right offshore is the future, europe I would feel comfortable but west indies,russia, anywhere in south america and some island in the middle of nowhere. Bank charters are a joke to get in those places and fraud is the norm for the most part.

KRL · 05-16-2003, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503

yeah it's just a little nerveracking. everyone's doing it but at the same time how do you pick the good from the bad when they all look shady? they're dodging the lamer laws of the US but at the same time making it really easy to take the money and run..

Can I tell you a secret Mike, I've been in Porn since 1984 and I've gotten fucked far more times by companies based in the US than any companies outside the US. In fact I can only think of 1 company that was outside the US that fucked me.

99% of the scammers are all here inside the US not offshore.

harvey · 05-16-2003, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

Can I tell you a secret Mike, I've been in Porn since 1984 and I've gotten fucked far more times by companies based in the US than any companies outside the US. In fact I can only think of 1 company that was outside the US that fucked me.

99% of the scammers are all here inside the US not offshore.

well, until now all companies that screwed me onmoney, that's a plain 100%, were from US. Not even one from (say) Russia or Israel, supposed to be the worse scammers in the world (I had hacking, hitbooting and that kind of stuff, though). Maybe it's because I'd never signup to a Russian company, but I dealt with many people from all over the world, and the only ones with trouble to get money from are from US. Go figure

In short, Mike503, maybe you'd run away from any US based company. Question is: would you?

harvey · 05-16-2003, 07:35 PM

even more, go to http://www.thehun.net/webmaster/ and check the scammers list: 4 from US, 1 from Poland, 1 from Canada, 1 from Sri Lanka and 1 from Dominican Republic. Of course the last one is from US, too. Proofs? Go to http://www.directnic.com/whois/index...=ebconsult.net and you'll see that's a Dominican Republic based firm. Now check the mail of the organization World Resort Corportation and the e-mail [email protected]. Now, since I'm such an smart ass, let's do a whois on wwresort.com and... bingo! here we've something more logical:

Registrant:
Pat Easterbrooks
220 NW Division St.
Gresham, Oregon 97030
United States

Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: WWRESORT.COM
Created on: 02-Apr-03
Expires on: 02-Apr-06
Last Updated on: 02-Apr-03

Administrative Contact:
Easterbrooks, Pat [email protected]
220 NW Division St.
Gresham, Oregon 97030
United States
(503) 667-6116 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Easterbrooks, Pat [email protected]
220 NW Division St.
Gresham, Oregon 97030
United States
(503) 667-6116 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
PARK5.SECURESERVER.NET
PARK6.SECURESERVER.NET

Now let's look at whois whisperingwoods.net and we find this:

Whispering Woods
18387 US Highway 18
Apple Valley, CA 92307
US
760-946-3948

Domain Name: WHISPERINGWOODS.NET

Administrative Contact:
Easterbrooks, Pat [email protected]
18387 US Highway 18
Apple Valley, CA 92307
US
760-946-3948

Technical Contact:
Easterbrooks, Pat [email protected]
18387 US Highway 18
Apple Valley, CA 92307
US
760-946-3948

Record last updated 07-17-2002 09:20:43 AM
Record expires on 04-05-2004
Record created on 05-04-2001

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.SECURE.NET 192.220.124.10
NS2.SECURE.NET 192.220.125.10

Name is the same, but address is different for the 3rd time in a row

Just because we're bored, let's check cityreservations.com

WorldStar Hospitality (CITYRESERVATIONS-DOM)
14797 Nanticoke Rd
null
US

Domain Name: CITYRESERVATIONS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Economou, Anthony (AE2720) [email protected]
World Star Hospitality
14797 Nanticoke Rd
Apple Valley , CA 92307
760-247-2652 (FAX) 760-247-1973
Technical Contact:
Secure Network Systems Hostmaster (SNS3-ORG) [email protected]
Secure Network Systems
1203 N. Research Way
Orem, UT 84097
US
801-437-0220
Fax- - - - - 801-437-0201 Fax- - - 801-224-6820

Record expires on 18-Apr-2004.
Record created on 18-Apr-1999.
Database last updated on 16-May-2003 22:25:48 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.SECURE.NET 192.220.124.10
NS2.SECURE.NET 192.220.125.10

again, another US based firm but different address for the 4th time in a row. (btw, that Anthony Economou name looks very familiar to me, cannot remember who is he)

So, this is just to show you that no matter where the company has its records, not even the oh so clean US webmasters, they won't give you a minimum safety at all. Most of the times, you'll end screwed anyway

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05-16-2003, 09:53 AM	#3
d0se Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Western Australia Posts: 1,225	epassporte maybe..

05-16-2003, 10:22 AM	#6
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	https://www.neteller.com/ http://www.citadelcommerce.com/ http://www.firepay.com/ http://www.ecocard.com/ http://www.e-gold.com/ I use of all these services, and they're all good. I'd never use paypal.

05-16-2003, 10:23 AM	#7
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Of coarse, I don't think I've ever heard any of those mentioned here, so maybe they don't take adult. They do all my casino banking.

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05-16-2003, 01:14 PM	#11
AdultNex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bostonnnn Posts: 8,985	Another one for Stormpay.com. I haven't had any problems with them, and I've been with them for at least 4 months.

05-16-2003, 01:29 PM	#12
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Epassporte is scary,they want a guarantee (if they are collecting the fees for my site they should have the money for their fees)and they want your bank info(the answer I got on this one ,we want it because in the future we maybe adding a function.Why cant you ask for it when you have the function instead of my bank info sitting god knows where). It makes me nervous to give a offshore company my bank info, remember if they can put money in they can take money out. Also bothers me that no body can give a straight answer who owns it, this some of the owners of epoch maybe also be owners of epassporte but I dont know. Thats very weird. Most people are proud of what they own a part of , everybody is being vague. Be careful people, Kimmy and Chris seem like nice people but it makes me nervous.

05-16-2003, 01:52 PM	#13
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	Stormpay. Period. I contacted epassporte and I got only an automated reply and since then, anything... maybe they're too busy to take care of my business, but it makes me think what would happen if I need something fast? On the other hand, Stormpay is exactly the same as Paypal (well, better since it handles all transactions, all countries and has shopping carts) without the hassle. So be smart and while you are at it, click this nice STORMPAY LINK __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

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mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	hmm, this was the perfect thread for me right now. one question - does stormpay/alternatives have easy to use automated methods for setting up recurring payments, and notifications of those payments? i just got a paypal IPN thing setup and now i have to worry that the sites i coded it for might be kicked from paypal.. i suppose i can look myself but reading the stuff on a site vs. someone actually trying to use it can be much different __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

05-16-2003, 02:19 PM	#15
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	StormPay.com Copthall, PO Box 2331 Roseau, Common Wealth of Dominica West Indies heh. interesting? __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

05-16-2003, 02:35 PM	#18
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	There is a $2 fee associated with doing Bank Account Transfers. hmm - the people i would be referring to this service might not like that. are there any with paypal's fee structure? where bank transfers don't cost anything? __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

05-16-2003, 06:51 PM	#23
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I think your right offshore is the future, europe I would feel comfortable but west indies,russia, anywhere in south america and some island in the middle of nowhere. Bank charters are a joke to get in those places and fraud is the norm for the most part.

05-16-2003, 07:35 PM	#26
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	even more, go to http://www.thehun.net/webmaster/ and check the scammers list: 4 from US, 1 from Poland, 1 from Canada, 1 from Sri Lanka and 1 from Dominican Republic. Of course the last one is from US, too. Proofs? Go to http://www.directnic.com/whois/index...=ebconsult.net and you'll see that's a Dominican Republic based firm. Now check the mail of the organization World Resort Corportation and the e-mail [email protected]. Now, since I'm such an smart ass, let's do a whois on wwresort.com and... bingo! here we've something more logical: Registrant: Pat Easterbrooks 220 NW Division St. Gresham, Oregon 97030 United States Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: WWRESORT.COM Created on: 02-Apr-03 Expires on: 02-Apr-06 Last Updated on: 02-Apr-03 Administrative Contact: Easterbrooks, Pat [email protected] 220 NW Division St. Gresham, Oregon 97030 United States (503) 667-6116 Fax -- Technical Contact: Easterbrooks, Pat [email protected] 220 NW Division St. Gresham, Oregon 97030 United States (503) 667-6116 Fax -- Domain servers in listed order: PARK5.SECURESERVER.NET PARK6.SECURESERVER.NET Now let's look at whois whisperingwoods.net and we find this: Whispering Woods 18387 US Highway 18 Apple Valley, CA 92307 US 760-946-3948 Domain Name: WHISPERINGWOODS.NET Administrative Contact: Easterbrooks, Pat [email protected] 18387 US Highway 18 Apple Valley, CA 92307 US 760-946-3948 Technical Contact: Easterbrooks, Pat [email protected] 18387 US Highway 18 Apple Valley, CA 92307 US 760-946-3948 Record last updated 07-17-2002 09:20:43 AM Record expires on 04-05-2004 Record created on 05-04-2001 Domain servers in listed order: NS1.SECURE.NET 192.220.124.10 NS2.SECURE.NET 192.220.125.10 Name is the same, but address is different for the 3rd time in a row Just because we're bored, let's check cityreservations.com WorldStar Hospitality (CITYRESERVATIONS-DOM) 14797 Nanticoke Rd null US Domain Name: CITYRESERVATIONS.COM Administrative Contact: Economou, Anthony (AE2720) [email protected] World Star Hospitality 14797 Nanticoke Rd Apple Valley , CA 92307 760-247-2652 (FAX) 760-247-1973 Technical Contact: Secure Network Systems Hostmaster (SNS3-ORG) [email protected] Secure Network Systems 1203 N. Research Way Orem, UT 84097 US 801-437-0220 Fax- - - - - 801-437-0201 Fax- - - 801-224-6820 Record expires on 18-Apr-2004. Record created on 18-Apr-1999. Database last updated on 16-May-2003 22:25:48 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.SECURE.NET 192.220.124.10 NS2.SECURE.NET 192.220.125.10 again, another US based firm but different address for the 4th time in a row. (btw, that Anthony Economou name looks very familiar to me, cannot remember who is he) So, this is just to show you that no matter where the company has its records, not even the oh so clean US webmasters, they won't give you a minimum safety at all. Most of the times, you'll end screwed anyway __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth