Ibill's Cvv2 implementation affecting rebills? - GoFuckYourself.com

adonis · 05-14-2003, 10:25 AM

Recently Ibill started to reject signups without a Cvv2... Does Ibill expire old subscriptions without Cvv2? Because they delete more than usual amount of usernames lately.

EscortBiz · 05-14-2003, 10:35 AM

nope I promote a few people using ibill and see rebills like normal

Kimmykim · 05-14-2003, 10:37 AM

cvv2 would not apply to rebills since it's against the card issuers regulations to store or keep cvv2. Therefore rebills should not have cvv2 attached to them... it should only be used on initial trans as a method of verification, and with that said, it's still only applicable when the card issuing bank supports it in the verification process.

Alot of Euro banks don't support it, nor does Paypal's debit card support it.

psyko514 · 05-14-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
nor does Paypal's debit card support it.

really? they dont support verification of the CVV?

Omnipotent · 05-14-2003, 11:43 AM

God I love Kimmy....will you marry me?

Kimmykim · 05-14-2003, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

really? they dont support verification of the CVV?

Nope, that's why any time I try to book an America West flight online I have to call in to use that card... no problems with booking online with the B of A card tho...

From what I gathered last weekend at the Paypal Connect thingie, these guys are really smart in some areas and completely clueless in others.

Things I consider simple, like basic fraud control, is so far behind what we do that it's laughable. And I think their customer service is pretty much non-existent for merchants when an issue arises, though they seem to have debuted a system that maybe will help that, and they claim not to be freezing entire accounts over a dispute, just the disputed amount at this point. Their consistent claims that they are not a bank, while then making light of the 'FDIC pass thru rule' on insurance did tend to make me quite nervous.

But on the other hand, the currency conversion schemes, the integrated shipping center and ability to print UPS labels directly from your account, now these are some toys that really make what Paypal does stand out.

Nice offer, omnipotent, but I think you'd realize you got a bad deal when you realized that other than being able to cook restaurant quality meals, I am domestically impaired ;)

psyko514 · 05-14-2003, 03:29 PM

why exactly do they bother to print a CVV2 on the card is they don't support verification of the number? let me guess... "It's on the way"

adjektiv · 05-14-2003, 09:19 PM

I usually get 5-10 Ibill joins a day. The last two days I have had zero. Anyone else having a problem or is it just my bad luck?

Ludedude · 05-14-2003, 09:27 PM

It's just you I'm afraid. Joins are running normally at iBill for me.

EscortBiz · 05-14-2003, 09:39 PM

The programs I promote are doin just fine

Biggy2 · 05-14-2003, 09:58 PM

my signups have been way down too..

what the fuck.

EscortBiz · 05-14-2003, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by Biggy2
my signups have been way down too..

what the fuck.

how about traffic is it the same and is it from the same place?

what do you promote?

Kimmykim · 05-14-2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514
why exactly do they bother to print a CVV2 on the card is they don't support verification of the number? let me guess... "It's on the way"

Cards are automatically assigned a cvv2, I dunno that the printers would print without them, but when the acquiring bank asks the issuing bank to verify the number on the initial transaction, many of the issuing banks are technologically unable to give that answer to them. Thus, unsupported.

Just another of those things that was a good idea in theory but was not strictly enforced and made into an effective control measure.

Shoplifter · 05-14-2003, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by Ludedude
It's just you I'm afraid. Joins are running normally at iBill for me.

I'm wondering if there is a difference for the EU guys as opposed to the US guys.

I'm EU and I have been seeing things down about 23%.

Sosa · 05-14-2003, 10:31 PM

Damn nice stats Escort.

My rebills went through like normal today, just lots of cancels for me

Sign ups also sucked ass.

Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

Is that one of your sites Escort? Or just some that you promote?

EscortBiz · 05-14-2003, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Sosa
Damn nice stats Escort.

My rebills went through like normal today, just lots of cancels for me Sign ups also sucked ass.

Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

Is that one of your sites Escort? Or just some that you promote?

Promote them

I use CCBill and Probilling for mine

ronin · 05-14-2003, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Cards are automatically assigned a cvv2, I dunno that the printers would print without them, but when the acquiring bank asks the issuing bank to verify the number on the initial transaction, many of the issuing banks are technologically unable to give that answer to them. Thus, unsupported.

Just another of those things that was a good idea in theory but was not strictly enforced and made into an effective control measure.

Soooooo????????????

quiet · 05-14-2003, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Shoplifter

I'm wondering if there is a difference for the EU guys as opposed to the US guys.

I'm EU and I have been seeing things down about 23%.

my sales have been down for the past week or so as well...

4Pics · 05-14-2003, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Cards are automatically assigned a cvv2, I dunno that the printers would print without them, but when the acquiring bank asks the issuing bank to verify the number on the initial transaction, many of the issuing banks are technologically unable to give that answer to them. Thus, unsupported.

Just another of those things that was a good idea in theory but was not strictly enforced and made into an effective control measure.

Don't know what Paypal debit card you have but mine is a mastercard and it has a cvv2. It also pays me 1.5% cashback each time I charge with it.

psyko514 · 05-14-2003, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by 4Pics

Don't know what Paypal debit card you have but mine is a mastercard and it has a cvv2. It also pays me 1.5% cashback each time I charge with it.

Evidentally, you didn't read her explanation.

Try reading it again, but pay attention this time.

Biggy2 · 05-15-2003, 12:21 AM

could be the summer slowdown.

NoVisaNoMC · 05-15-2003, 12:50 AM

I know many programs using ibill that the joins are down 30 - 50 percent since last Tuesday.

At paysystems.com it is even worse.

Last Tuesday was the day the cvv number became a requirement on all join pages.

I find it has come down to this.

Most people have never used the cvv number.

Unless your join page clearly explains what it is and where to find it on the credit card you are going to be loosing sign ups.

KRL · 05-15-2003, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by NoVisaNoMC
I know many programs using ibill that the joins are down 30 - 50 percent since last Tuesday.

At paysystems.com it is even worse.

Last Tuesday was the day the cvv number became a requirement on all join pages.

I find it has come down to this.

Most people have never used the cvv number.

Unless your join page clearly explains what it is and where to find it on the credit card you are going to be loosing sign ups.

There are enough people saying signups have noticibly declined at the same time that the CVV2 requirement started for it to be directly related to that.

I've been doing this for so long, you'd think it wouldn't phase me much, but I still get the sweats when I see anything start to fall off the norms on the stats. I love stats and sometimes I plain hate stats. They are maddening and worse than being on crack. They fuck with your head all the time. And they always come back when you really start to get that worried feeling inside, just to give you that final messing with you jab.

Biggy2 · 05-15-2003, 01:02 AM

Just checked my sponsor's page, and apparently IBILL's join page does explain it to some extent.. they are showing a Credit Card with the little number squared out in red...

Any comment from IBILL?

Jay_StandAhead · 05-15-2003, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Nice offer, omnipotent, but I think you'd realize you got a bad deal when you realized that other than being able to cook restaurant quality meals, I am domestically impaired ;)

Aren't you married already?

05-14-2003, 10:25 AM	#1
adonis Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 231	Ibill's Cvv2 implementation affecting rebills? Recently Ibill started to reject signups without a Cvv2... Does Ibill expire old subscriptions without Cvv2? Because they delete more than usual amount of usernames lately.

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05-14-2003, 10:37 AM	#3
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	cvv2 would not apply to rebills since it's against the card issuers regulations to store or keep cvv2. Therefore rebills should not have cvv2 attached to them... it should only be used on initial trans as a method of verification, and with that said, it's still only applicable when the card issuing bank supports it in the verification process. Alot of Euro banks don't support it, nor does Paypal's debit card support it.

05-14-2003, 11:43 AM	#5
Omnipotent Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3	God I love Kimmy....will you marry me?

05-14-2003, 09:19 PM	#8
adjektiv Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 381	I usually get 5-10 Ibill joins a day. The last two days I have had zero. Anyone else having a problem or is it just my bad luck?

05-14-2003, 09:58 PM	#11
Biggy2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,821	my signups have been way down too.. what the fuck.

05-14-2003, 10:31 PM	#15
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	Damn nice stats Escort. My rebills went through like normal today, just lots of cancels for me Sign ups also sucked ass. Hopefully tomorrow will be better. Is that one of your sites Escort? Or just some that you promote?

05-15-2003, 12:21 AM	#21
Biggy2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,821	could be the summer slowdown.

05-15-2003, 12:50 AM	#22
NoVisaNoMC Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76	I know many programs using ibill that the joins are down 30 - 50 percent since last Tuesday. At paysystems.com it is even worse. Last Tuesday was the day the cvv number became a requirement on all join pages. I find it has come down to this. Most people have never used the cvv number. Unless your join page clearly explains what it is and where to find it on the credit card you are going to be loosing sign ups.

05-15-2003, 01:02 AM	#24
Biggy2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,821	Just checked my sponsor's page, and apparently IBILL's join page does explain it to some extent.. they are showing a Credit Card with the little number squared out in red... Any comment from IBILL?