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sarettah · 07-06-2020, 07:08 AM

Fiddy retards not wearing a mask.

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The Porn Nerd · 07-06-2020, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

The rate is dropping somewhat but you're right in that it "appears" to be dropping more because of the increased testing. But it is dropping.

And yeah, testing has increased dramatically all over the world so of course cases are going up. But, that doesn't mean cases are actually going up. It's just that we cans see them now whereas before we couldn't but the situation hasn't changed.

And the media is playing this out like we are going backwards, having a field day reporting all the case increases like the fire is spreading and getting out of control.

We all love to be in this hysteria ...

I love this argument. It's made by people who want to feel better about the crisis. "Of course we are getting more positives because we are testing more...."

OK yes. But HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE GOING UP! I would agree with the naysayers IF positive tests were going up but hospitalizations were remaining flat but they are not. They are going UP.

Which means? More people are getting sick! Sure the death rate is lower now because hospitals have figured out (somewhat) effective treatments that are preventing mass deaths. But who wants to be that sick, on a respirator, etc?

Wake up people PLEASE.

newB · 07-06-2020, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

What about the opposing claims that a mask is able stop viruses but still allow oxygen and carbon dioxide through? You can't have it both ways

Sure you can.

O2=152 pm
CO2=232 pm
SARS-CoV-2=0.12 microns

So, a single SARS-CoV-2 virus is roughly 789 times the size of on O2 molecule.

However, respiratory droplets - the means of transmission - are > 5 microns, so you're looking at a minimum size difference of 32,894 times greater than an 02 molecule.

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

None of these are peer-reviewed scientific studies.

They're effectively just opinion pieces.

A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients

mopek1 · 07-06-2020, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I love this argument. It's made by people who want to feel better about the crisis. "Of course we are getting more positives because we are testing more...."

That's math. It has nothing to do with feeling better. We test more, we find more positives. It doesn't mean cases are going up.

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

OK yes. But HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE GOING UP! I would agree with the naysayers IF positive tests were going up but hospitalizations were remaining flat but they are not. They are going UP.

Yes they are, in some states only. That is much more pertinent information (hospitalizations vs cases) and I'm glad you brought that up. Most people never care to talk about the nuances and multiple factors that make up this pandemic. They only show you a graph of cases and use it to justify whatever response they see fit.

In Florida, it's mostly young people testing positive, which means nothing as they recover quickly. So while cases may be rising there (we don't know for sure but it could be), they don't have the same problem others do. They don't need to be alarmed.

Arizona has a problem. Why though? Inadequate health system? Aging population? Obesity problem? They may have to deal with the opening differently although again, nobody talks about what's going on. What happens there may not happen elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Which means? More people are getting sick! Sure the death rate is lower now because hospitals have figured out (somewhat) effective treatments that are preventing mass deaths. But who wants to be that sick, on a respirator, etc?

Wake up people PLEASE.

This is a virus. It's not going away. People are supposed to get sick. We have to manage it and not avoid it because we can't. The more we stay locked down, the longer this will be drawn out and the more devastating the consequences for us all down the road (on top of how bad it already will be because of the 4 months in lockdown already).

Konda · 07-06-2020, 09:57 AM

It's very simple.
Let's say you are in a car with 4 people.
2 of them are infected.
The virus spreads from droplets from talking, coughing, sneezing etc.
If the 2 infected people were a mask the other 2 people are obviously much much less likely to get infected. It greatly reduces the chance. If the other 2 people also wear a mask it reduces the chance even more. So of course masks help. I don't get how anyway could say mask do not work, it's common sense.

There might be some disadvantages in wearing a mask for very long periods of time, but the advantages are far far bigger.

You don't wear a mask just for yourself, you mainly wear it to not infect others. It's a collective thing, that greatly helps slowing down the spread of the virus. The more people were masks, the faster things go back to normal.

Cases are spiking a lot in the US and some cities are even starting to close down again because people are too stubborn to wear a mask. I'd rather wear a mask and go back to normal...

The Porn Nerd · 07-06-2020, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

That's math. It has nothing to do with feeling better. We test more, we find more positives. It doesn't mean cases are going up.

Yes they are, in some states only. That is much more pertinent information (hospitalizations vs cases) and I'm glad you brought that up. Most people never care to talk about the nuances and multiple factors that make up this pandemic. They only show you a graph of cases and use it to justify whatever response they see fit.

In Florida, it's mostly young people testing positive, which means nothing as they recover quickly. So while cases may be rising there (we don't know for sure but it could be), they don't have the same problem others do. They don't need to be alarmed.

Arizona has a problem. Why though? Inadequate health system? Aging population? Obesity problem? They may have to deal with the opening differently although again, nobody talks about what's going on. What happens there may not happen elsewhere.

This is a virus. It's not going away. People are supposed to get sick. We have to manage it and not avoid it because we can't. The more we stay locked down, the longer this will be drawn out and the more devastating the consequences for us all down the road (on top of how bad it already will be because of the 4 months in lockdown already).

Two points: while young people are testing positive more this IS a problem. Why? Because they can be spreaders to people less equipped to deal with it (elderly, existing conditions, etc). And when I see the data from Fl, Texas and AZ (and Alabama and S.Carolina and a few other States) it shows me that hospitalizations and ICU stays are rising along with the test results. NOT good.

And yes, it's a virus and we must learn to live with it. But unlike other viruses (like the flu) we do not have sufficient tools yet to "live with it". No mass immunity, no vaccine, varied treatments but nothing universal....so again this is UNlike other viruses we have learned to live with. Will we live with this eventually? Yes - but not for another year or more. Until then: wear a mask!

People are acting like they have to wear masks 24/7 and what a hardship it is. My God people we're talking a few minutes a day at most, when you go out to the store, etc. Amazing.

ruff · 07-06-2020, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

This is correct. Hard as hell to find the disposable ones right now, unfortunately. I can't find them anywhere, just lots of those cloth fashion ones. Some people must be making serious bank off those things.

Amazon only has a billion left.

Dickjagger1 · 07-06-2020, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ruff

Amazon only has a billion left.

Actually, this is not really correct. Amazon SAYS they have a billion left. But we have been trying to order some for my "legit" job, and you always get an email after the order saying they are back ordered indefinitely.

ruff · 07-06-2020, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dickjagger1

Actually, this is not really correct. Amazon SAYS they have a billion left. But we have been trying to order some for my "legit" job, and you always get an email after the order saying they are back ordered indefinitely.

Surely you're not saying Amazon is lying? So it's true Amazon is Satan.

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07-06-2020, 09:57 AM	#55
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	It's very simple. Let's say you are in a car with 4 people. 2 of them are infected. The virus spreads from droplets from talking, coughing, sneezing etc. If the 2 infected people were a mask the other 2 people are obviously much much less likely to get infected. It greatly reduces the chance. If the other 2 people also wear a mask it reduces the chance even more. So of course masks help. I don't get how anyway could say mask do not work, it's common sense. There might be some disadvantages in wearing a mask for very long periods of time, but the advantages are far far bigger. You don't wear a mask just for yourself, you mainly wear it to not infect others. It's a collective thing, that greatly helps slowing down the spread of the virus. The more people were masks, the faster things go back to normal. Cases are spiking a lot in the US and some cities are even starting to close down again because people are too stubborn to wear a mask. I'd rather wear a mask and go back to normal...