The death of TGPs! How it will happen.

[blackmonsters]

As conversions continue to fall TGPs are being forced to sell gallery spots to make the long money. Webmasters buying spots will soon see conversions drop so low that there is little profit after bandwidth+content+listings. But TGPs will continue to sell even more spots and getting listed for free will become next to impossible thus causing webmasters to quit posting.

After spot buyers give up on posting there will be no one posting to the TGPs and they will have to use sponsor hosted galleries.
With everybody and his mom using SPHs with low conversions and high bandwidth, sponsors will be forced to kill these galleries. Surfers will become bored with the available free content and traffic on TGPs will die down to the point where the TGP will basically die from lack of profit.

But no problem. Because then the paysites will make more conversions and a new partnership will emerge where sponsors become "content warehouses" where they give webmasters 100k pics and vids to build paysites and take 50%. We all then will be owners of dozens of paysites and once again become wealthy.

[Mr. Marks]

TGP is like HERPES...

It will never go away.

[ZeroFate]

As quickly as I flirted with TGP's I'm backing away from them. As everyone tells me: Expand on what works.

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by papichulo
TGP is like HERPES...

It will never go away.

I truly believe what I said above. The market will have to correct itself by natural means and this is already happening.
TGP profits are getting lower and lower.

Surfers with broadband are going to get tired of 30 sec clips and TGPs will not be able to post really big movies for them so the Broadban surfer is going to seek paysites and skip the dumb shit.

Dial up users actually like small movies because they don't want to wait for download but also don't care much about paysites with big movies because of the same reason. As more people get high speed access, joining paysites is going to make more since than clicking on small movies and getting cirle jerked and then TGPs will be hurt even more.

[Pipecrew]

I somewhat agree with that.. The chain has begun though.. But not all tgp's have shitty conversions.

[Tuga]

I like the way you see it, and it will probably happen. But then, something unexpected will emerge. Maybe TGP2

[MrIzzz]

so long as human beings can use a keyboard they will want free porn. therefore they will not flock to paysites and give up on TGPs. TGPs will, however, evolve into another means of advertising.

2 years from now TGPs will not look like what they do today, but they will still exist

[digifan]

Originally posted by papichulo
TGP is like HERPES...

It will never go away.

Some big tgps not spreading the same crap will survive and profit.

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by MrIzzz
so long as human beings can use a keyboard they will want free porn. therefore they will not flock to paysites and give up on TGPs. TGPs will, however, evolve into another means of advertising.

2 years from now TGPs will not look like what they do today, but they will still exist

That doesn't follow with the evolution of business. There will always be a new way do things that will basically kill off the old way. I never thought I would see the end to phono records!

TGP will go the route of topsite list, which were once all over the place. I had to convert my topsites to a TGP modle in order to stay in biz. I will have to change again. It's comming for sure.

[blackmonsters]

There will also be a change in content providers that will kill TGP.

I for one have stopped buying content for posting because it just not as profitable as before. As more webmasters quit buying the content providers will have to start changing their license to "exclusive" so that they can sell for highger prices and maintain value and profits. This will add to the problem with buying pics to post and will kill TGP further.

[gwilkins]

You have some very good points but I still think you'd need an ak47 at the next webmaster conference to get rid of TGPs.

[SoBeGirl Video]

Originally posted by blackmonsters
I truly believe what I said above. The market will have to correct itself by natural means and this is already happening.
TGP profits are getting lower and lower.

Surfers with broadband are going to get tired of 30 sec clips and TGPs will not be able to post really big movies for them so the Broadban surfer is going to seek paysites and skip the dumb shit.

Dial up users actually like small movies because they don't want to wait for download but also don't care much about paysites with big movies because of the same reason. As more people get high speed access, joining paysites is going to make more since than clicking on small movies and getting cirle jerked and then TGPs will be hurt even more.

Y0u are correct. And it will probably happen quickly.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by blackmonsters

TGP profits are getting lower and lower.
.

Maybe YOUR profits are getting lower, but I'm breaking records each and every month over here.

The top spot on the hun is booked 3 months in advance (for $500 a day), and there are several TGP's where you have to get on a waiting list to buy ANY spot on the page.

You and the people who are agreeing with you just don't understand TGP traffic and how to turn a profit on it, so you just keep hoping it'll go away so that your business can prosper.
Pretty weak business strategy if you ask me.

[TheDoc]

TGP webmasters have been doing great on us, I wouldn't say conversion ratios have dropped at all.

We have a few employees that submit and they get listed and get joins daily with great ratios.

People have been saying the TGP business is going away for years but yet you can still find tons of people making great money from TGPing.

Change doesn't mean it's going away. The paysite business has changed 1000 times over but they aren't going anywhere.

[EviLGuY]

People have been saying TGPs won't last since.. well at least 98/99.

They will probably all change into MGPs down the road as more people get broadband.

[doober]

WOW, alot of cluless people in here....
TGP is dying guys. please stop submiting and run for the hills while you still can

[SoundMan]

Sleazy says they will last 4-ever...

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by TheDoc
TGP webmasters have been doing great on us, I wouldn't say conversion ratios have dropped at all.

We have a few employees that submit and they get listed and get joins daily with great ratios.

People have been saying the TGP business is going away for years but yet you can still find tons of people making great money from TGPing.

Change doesn't mean it's going away. The paysite business has changed 1000 times over but they aren't going anywhere.

My TGP profits are getting lower and partly because of lack of quality interracial paysites. But I keep wondering how long are sponsors going to keep letting my TGP drain their bandwidth on hosted galleries. They simply are not converting nearly as good as I thought they would.

As far as the response about knowing how to convert TGP traffic, that is something to tell the sponsors with hosted galleries. I cannot change their galleries.

[SoBeGirl Video]

http://search.singingfish.com/mvc/se...av&durat ion=

try that :-)

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by blackmonsters
As conversions continue to fall TGPs are being forced to sell gallery spots to make the long money.

Oh and for the record, TGP's have ALWAYS sold gallery spots, I've been buying them for years.

Most of you just think its a new thing because DH has brought the broker business front and center in recent months.


As for blaming hosted galleries for your conversion problems.......telling me that you rely on hosted galleries for income from a TGP tells me that you really don't understand the TGP game.

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
http://search.singingfish.com/mvc/se...av&durat ion=

try that :-)

Looks good to me!!!

Almost a dream for a serious surfer with broadband who has money to spend and wants to get right to the product without any BS.

I thinking this model can create better impulse buying.
Like when the surfer suddenly has an urge for a fetish and wants a big video "NOW!". They will sign up. The current TGP model means they click and get sent to an off topic TGP and keep looking until they lose interest.

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by Lenny2
Oh and for the record, TGP's have ALWAYS sold gallery spots, I've been buying them for years.

Most of you just think its a new thing because DH has brought the broker business front and center in recent months.


As for blaming hosted galleries for your conversion problems.......telling me that you rely on hosted galleries for income from a TGP tells me that you really don't understand the TGP game.

You're way off base!!!
These hosted galleries are suposed to increase my sales or why the hell would I use them? Why the hell would a sponsor make them?

I can make a gallery for the sponsor or the sponsor can make the gallery for me...it's the same thing.

My TGP banners still convert but not like they used too. If you just got into this game a couple of years ago then you have no idea about how far sells have declined.
The decline in sales is the primary reason that VISA and paypal don't give a fuck about us anymore. We no longer own a big chunk of their bottom line. What kind of biz would be stupid enough to all of a sudden demand a $750 fee from it's best clients and possibly drive them away? No one is that stupid.
They demanded it becuase they didn't give a crap if porn masters quit because profits were way down.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Good fishing expedition.

[jonnycash]

TGP's have changed alot over the last 5 years , with increasing jerk offs who can not convert traffic and want to put up pop ups, dialers, and other shit on galleries getting 30k + a day the smart ones have started charging for gallery listings to weed through these bastards . Charging to get listed has nothing to do with conversions droping - shit shoot the hun an email and ask him how his conversions are he'll send you a snap shot. Conversions happen when the webmaster creates a decent gallery with a good description text on it to intice the surfer.


Conversions have nothing to do with the traffic, its all about who you advertise. Think about this you tell someone that he can a pretty leather wallet at wal mart for $5 they might go to wal mart and look at the cheap skin, only to find that its nagahyde and walk away. But you tell that same person that they can buy a nagahyde wallet at wal mart for $5 that will last them longer then the one for $50 because its water proof unlike real leather, and chances are they'll head to wal mart and by the cheap skin.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by blackmonsters
You're way off base!!!
These hosted galleries are suposed to increase my sales or why the hell would I use them? Why the hell would a sponsor make them?

I can make a gallery for the sponsor or the sponsor can make the gallery for me...it's the same thing.

My TGP banners still convert but not like they used too. If you just got into this game a couple of years ago then you have no idea about how far sells have declined.
The decline in sales is the primary reason that VISA and paypal don't give a fuck about us anymore. We no longer own a big chunk of their bottom line. What kind of biz would be stupid enough to all of a sudden demand a $750 fee from it's best clients and possibly drive them away? No one is that stupid.
They demanded it becuase they didn't give a crap if porn masters quit because profits were way down.

Hosted galleries should be an income supplement, not the primary source of income for a TGP.
As for you making the galleries or the sponsor making the galleries, its far from the same thing. The fact that you think its the same thing once again shows that you really don't understand the TGP game.

Also, all the stuff you said about VISA and Paypal was way way way off base, you really don't have a clue do you?

[Illicit]

I agree with blackmonsters, but it seems alot of people currently making money with them are in denial about the fact that they will eventually be gone. This is the net people, things change rather quickly. while tgps may have been great, and are still a viable way to make $$, they will not be around forever. face it, you will have to change, or you will be left behind.

[SleazyDream]

there's no money in TGPs, go look somewhere else

[chupacabra]

down w/ free pr0n..

[BaldBastard]

Paysites will start running there own tgp sites and only pass the galleries onto webmasters once they have abused them themselves.

Whoops there already doing that

[Sosa]

March and April were my 2 best months ever. Things are just going up for me

[DreamCumTrue]

I love my TGP we get great traffic and I havent experienced any problems yet.

[DavePlays]

The pages I submit to TGP generate around 160-200 sales a month.

When I started in 1999, I heard people say there was too much free porn and the TGPs would be the death of the business.

I've read that same thing a couple times a year for the last 5 years.

Some people get it, some don't.

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by Lenny2
Hosted galleries should be an income supplement, not the primary source of income for a TGP.
As for you making the galleries or the sponsor making the galleries, its far from the same thing. The fact that you think its the same thing once again shows that you really don't understand the TGP game.

Also, all the stuff you said about VISA and Paypal was way way way off base, you really don't have a clue do you?

I would like to know how an "income supplement" works without increasing sales. That statement makes you look stupid.

What TGPs do you run where you gained all this experience from?

[DavePlays]

But is amusing that the replys to the "TGPs will be the death of the business" threads haven't changed any over the last 5 years either.

How many millions and millions and what % of growth has this business seen since the first time someone predicted it was all over ?

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by MrBaldBastard
Paysites will start running there own tgp sites and only pass the galleries onto webmasters once they have abused them themselves.

Whoops there already doing that

actually it's the reverse. TGPs are realizing they don't need the paysites and doing it themselves cause they have the traffic

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by DavePlays
The pages I submit to TGP generate around 160-200 sales a month.

When I started in 1999, I heard people say there was too much free porn and the TGPs would be the death of the business.

I've read that same thing a couple times a year for the last 5 years.

Some people get it, some don't.

You seem not to get it that I own TGPs and I'm telling you that they are not as profitble as "before". I'm still making money, so making money is not the issue. Getting richer is the issue?
Getting 200 sales a month means nothing if you used to get 400 salesa month with the same methods because soon you will get 100 sales a month then 50 sales a month then 25 sales a month and then your condo gets reposessed.

[Abyss_Vee]

Originally posted by MrIzzz
so long as human beings can use a keyboard they will want free porn. therefore they will not flock to paysites and give up on TGPs. TGPs will, however, evolve into another means of advertising.

2 years from now TGPs will not look like what they do today, but they will still exist

"Free porn"

[sake]

a lot of really pointless replies in this thread.

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by blackmonsters
You seem not to get it that I own TGPs and I'm telling you that they are not as profitble as "before". I'm still making money, so making money is not the issue. Getting richer is the issue?
Getting 200 sales a month means nothing if you used to get 400 salesa month with the same methods because soon you will get 100 sales a month then 50 sales a month then 25 sales a month and then your condo gets reposessed.

I get it, but I don't think many of us that were there will ever make the kind of money we did 5-6 years ago. VISA has a lot to do with that along with a lot of other factors.

I think it's just a given that we have to work harder and smarter as the industry grows and there are more people getting part of the total.

There used to be 15 gas stations in this town 30 years ago. And though are 2-3 times as many cars here now, there are only 5 gas stations and there is never a line at the pumps.

I think that's what we're going to see happen to our business.

[BossDVDs]

Originally posted by blackmonsters
As conversions continue to fall TGPs are being forced to sell gallery spots to make the long money. Webmasters buying spots will soon see conversions drop so low that there is little profit after bandwidth+content+listings. But TGPs will continue to sell even more spots and getting listed for free will become next to impossible thus causing webmasters to quit posting.

After spot buyers give up on posting there will be no one posting to the TGPs and they will have to use sponsor hosted galleries.
With everybody and his mom using SPHs with low conversions and high bandwidth, sponsors will be forced to kill these galleries. Surfers will become bored with the available free content and traffic on TGPs will die down to the point where the TGP will basically die from lack of profit.

But no problem. Because then the paysites will make more conversions and a new partnership will emerge where sponsors become "content warehouses" where they give webmasters 100k pics and vids to build paysites and take 50%. We all then will be owners of dozens of paysites and once again become wealthy.

Nice sig brotha

[pradaboy]

yeh you're right! ALL PORN SITES WILL DIE!
ppl do NOT want porn, get out of it while you can and start selling toiletpaper!

fucking moron

[chupacabra]

Originally posted by TGPslut
yeh you're right! ALL PORN SITES WILL DIE!
ppl do NOT want porn, get out of it while you can and start selling toiletpaper!

fucking moron

hehe, not "ALL PORN SITES", friend... just the TGP's..

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by TGPslut
yeh you're right! ALL PORN SITES WILL DIE!
ppl do NOT want porn, get out of it while you can and start selling toiletpaper!

fucking moron

Can I sell this toilet paper thru Adultcheck.com or Agecheck/cyberage?

Yeah, nothing ever declines in porn everything last forever.

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by blackmonsters
Can I sell this toilet paper thru Adultcheck.com or Agecheck/cyberage?

Yeah, nothing ever declines in porn everything last forever.

Not a decline, more of a redistribution. Have to be willing to change.

From this thread it looks like some people's income is up and some people's are down. The one's that are down are looking for something to blame. The one's that are up... aren't.

you have to take it from there.....

[quiet]

too much free porn!!

[gotys]

I said it before, and I will say it again.

GET OUT OF THIS BUSSINESS! IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY!

[xclusive]

They wil not die they might change but not die. I always see a place for them. There might be fewer of them but they will be better.

[cluck]

CJ shall rise again!

Honestly, I only started doing TGP to get some bulk traffic, not make money off sales.

[BradM]

TGP will never die. It will merely morph.
Big guys know how it goes.

[Steve]

Originally posted by blackmonsters
My TGP profits are getting lower and partly because of lack of quality interracial paysites.

LOL

interracial sold when there was ONE butt ugly site

you dont know how good you have it