Trump wants to step up legal imigration

[VRPdommy]

Yep... need any more evidence that all republicans are still looking to keep wages suppressed.

This report from FOX.... LOL

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ment-is-so-low

The one time we might actually have true wage growth this century... now this LOL

Consumer inflation continues to rise if you have not noticed and we really have not rolled through the uncounted unemployed and the underemployed.
Some are working 2 and 3 jobs because they are all part time jobs.
because many of those uncounted are getting jobs is the only reason there has not been wage inflation the fed has feared.

We do have a shortage of people trained for certain jobs because they went where the pay is good, even if not what they were trained for.
Normally biz would provide that training to fill their need, but now-a-days, they want the government to train these folks. More Corporate welfare.

Hey... the only 2 reasons I don't hire is, nobody is willing to work for what I'm willing to pay if they were trained for what I need. So why don't you train them for me so it still don't cost me any more and I can keep paying near min wages.

Everything is a farce !

[GAMEFINEST]

His head is going all different directions

[TheSquealer]

Thanks for admitting that illegal immigrants flooding across the border, hurt the nation, workers, legal immigrants and the economy and is the very cause of wage stagnation.

Wages which have been rising consistently as illegal immigration plummets in the last couple years.

That was nice of you. given your stance on partisan politics.

That was a very nice compliment for Trump and his policies.

[Paul Markham]

Importing more workers, whether it's picking fruit or doing surgical operations is bad for the economy of most of the residents. At one end it suppresses wages at the other it reduces the cost of training residents to do the more complex jobs. Why spend billions training people when you can just import them?

[crockett]

His illegals keep getting caught so he needs new ones and the boarder patrol keeps catching the new crop..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Thanks for admitting that illegal immigrants flooding across the border, hurt the nation, workers, legal immigrants and the economy and is the very cause of wage stagnation.

Wages which have been rising consistently as illegal immigration plummets in the last couple years.

That was nice of you. given your stance on partisan politics.

That was a very nice compliment for Trump and his policies.

Thanks for admitting that Republicans are mad that the loss of illegals is raising wages so they need to now figure out how to get the illegals back..

That was sweet of you to admit that given your political stance..

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

Thanks for admitting that Republicans are mad that the loss of illegals is raising wages so they need to now figure out how to get the illegals back..

That was sweet of you to admit that given your political stance..

H1 B work visas demand the applicant demonstrate that no qualified US Citizens are available to fill the job.

If there is no qualified US citizens are available to fill the job, you can't argue that it lowers wages. Wages only stagnate or decrease when you have illegals willing to do the same job, cheaper.

Furthermore, thanks to unprecedented jobs numbers and record low unemployment, there is an immediate need to fill available jobs... you know, that thing that fuels economic growth.

So.... you're welcome for that explanation.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Thanks for admitting that illegal immigrants flooding across the border, hurt the nation, workers, legal immigrants and the economy and is the very cause of wage stagnation.

Wages which have been rising consistently as illegal immigration plummets in the last couple years.

That was nice of you. given your stance on partisan politics.

That was a very nice compliment for Trump and his policies.

Admitting what ?
Everyone knows that the flow of people is hurting wage growth. That is the point.

The problem is most do not seem to realize that the Republicans do not want a change in the way immigration (legal and illegal) is happening today or it certainly would have changes multiple times in the last 15-20 years.

They want to suppress wages plain and simple. Oh... they make excuses anytime they buck a immigration deal with something they can stand behind, but the truth is, they don't want a change in the status quo no matter what they are barking.

Is anyone telling me that they could railroad those tax cuts but not immigration ?

I support re-enforcing the border security and I also support stepping up legal immigration and giving amnesty to those that are here. get'm paying taxes like everyone else and then, enforcing min wages for all.

The republicans say they will not support immigration bills because they grant amnesty to those that are here....
So what you have now is amnesty without saying so by not declaring it.
Total wage suppression. And you are buying it !

You either chase them out or make them citizens. As long as they can be deported, the folks that hire them have total control like the closest form of slavery.

Yes, the Republicans have had the power to change this... no excuses. But they make them.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Importing more workers, whether it's picking fruit or doing surgical operations is bad for the economy of most of the residents.

And again Paul shows his ignorance of simple economics

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

H1 B work visas demand the applicant demonstrate that no qualified US Citizens are available to fill the job.

If there is no qualified US citizens are available to fill the job, you can't argue that it lowers wages. Wages only stagnate or decrease when you have illegals willing to do the same job, cheaper.

Furthermore, thanks to unprecedented jobs numbers and record low unemployment, there is an immediate need to fill available jobs... you know, that thing that fuels economic growth.

So.... you're welcome for that explanation.

Yep... that's what it says but why is that not the way it is !

[MFCT]

He wants to step up legal immigration?? That's racist!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

Thanks for admitting that Republicans are mad that the loss of illegals is raising wages so they need to now figure out how to get the illegals back..

That was sweet of you to admit that given your political stance..

So explain why you're against the Wall, other than it being a Trump idea?

A Wall will only stop some illegals,but it will stop the worse of the illegals. Criminals and unskilled have less chance of getting a Visa. So they have to walk across in tunnels or on land. Not enough tunnels to accommodate all those wanting to use them. They will get discovered and the most lucrative product for smuggling, drugs, get obstructed.

Stricter enforcement of laws for employers is also called for. So are the Visa requirements. Would I and many other British photographers come here if Czech had a thriving community of magazine photographers to compete with?

Apprenticeships has to be the roll of businesses, as it paying enough to attract more residents into bad jobs. Because importing workers is only cheaper for companies, cost the country billions.

[TheSquealer]

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Yep... that's what it says but why is that not the way it is !

well then, it's all settled. thanks for that brilliant, well reasoned argument and for enlightening us of so many verifiable facts.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

well then, it's all settled. thanks for that brilliant, well reasoned argument and for enlightening us of so many verifiable facts.

You stated the facts... I went with them...
Answer the question !
Why is it that the stated rules are not what is happening ?
Who is in failure here and why ?

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So explain why you're against the Wall, other than it being a Trump idea?

A Wall will only stop some illegals,but it will stop the worse of the illegals. Criminals and unskilled have less chance of getting a Visa. So they have to walk across in tunnels or on land. Not enough tunnels to accommodate all those wanting to use them. They will get discovered and the most lucrative product for smuggling, drugs, get obstructed.

Stricter enforcement of laws for employers is also called for. So are the Visa requirements. Would I and many other British photographers come here if Czech had a thriving community of magazine photographers to compete with?

Apprenticeships has to be the roll of businesses, as it paying enough to attract more residents into bad jobs. Because importing workers is only cheaper for companies, cost the country billions.

For those of you not in the US...
There has been quite a dilemma here that is not well known and never talked about.

They have a bit of double standard they have to avoid.
It seems that most of silicon valley and the tech giants here want to be able to hire hi-tech folks from India and some other areas of the world and have been doing so for the last 10 years+ replacing jobs that paid US folks 120k with benefits packages costing yet 20k more with these folks that are willing to come here on these visa's and work for 80k with benefit packages of 12k.

So they lobbied for much of the immigration changes that they can not deny the same of the Mexican folks. It appeases the AG co's here enough to keep both sides in a pool of cheap labor.

Politicians can not deny it, they created it at the request of and nearly written by US Company's. It's just one more case of Government for you, if you have the money to spend. Both party's are at fault no matter what they say. I blame the Republicans more, for it is they who command the issue every election and have been getting the results they desire for almost 20 years. They have stopped all legislation for any changes except to allow more of the same.

But now it is a embedded feature in how things are done and to make a change now would have them all crying foul. Claiming how the cost of everything would go up.
Tell that to the 100k hi tech collage educated folks that lost their jobs to Those to India.
Where is the outcry ?

The double whammy now is, who is going to spend 60-100k on a 4-6 year education when by the time you are ready for the workforce, you may be replaced by a legal immigrant but not citizen. It would be a stupid move in my book because you may never get your investment back. A self generated shortage now has to be filled by those on the outside.

After the bank collapse, they laid-off most of silicon valley. Everyone thought it was do to the banking crisis. But then why did they start hiring all those from India ?

But I am very tired of those who do not understand the so many details of what has been going on and who has caused it blowing smoke up everyone's ass.

They don't really want to fix this. But they will talk about it and do other meaningless things to get your vote.

A wall is meaningless without people to enforce it. If you have the people, you don't need the wall. It becomes a mere obstacle slowing them down. If the border patrol who gets the job done have requested it for certain areas, they should at least get consideration for it.
And that is probably how the wall will play out in the end.

But this does little to change Immigration and the cheap labor it provides preventing wage growth across all segments of the US economy, from the bottom up. So when this fails to do the job, what will they blame 3-6 years from now.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

Thanks for admitting that Republicans are mad that the loss of illegals is raising wages so they need to now figure out how to get the illegals back..

That was sweet of you to admit that given your political stance..

Yeah, you hear that? That silence? That's everyone up in arms about curbing illegal immigration and reducing illegals flooding across the borders. Allowing illegals to flood across the borders and then protecting them is 100% Democratic behavior.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

H1 B work visas demand the applicant demonstrate that no qualified US Citizens are available to fill the job.

If there is no qualified US citizens are available to fill the job, you can't argue that it lowers wages. Wages only stagnate or decrease when you have illegals willing to do the same job, cheaper.

Furthermore, thanks to unprecedented jobs numbers and record low unemployment, there is an immediate need to fill available jobs... you know, that thing that fuels economic growth.

So.... you're welcome for that explanation.

...and you know as well as I do that anyone can get around that rule just as Trump does. All they have to do is run a ad in a classified paper or online somewhere print receipt that they ran the ad then start pulling in foreign workers..

Trump hires fucking maids from overseas. You really so fucking full of shit that you are gonna claim there is no one in the united states who can qualify to be a fucking maid? are you really this fucking gullible or are you just full of shit..


Don't answer because I already know you are full of shit and a dumb fucking gullible idiot...


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/13/164665...-guest-workers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...sas/764053002/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...sas/764053002/


idiot..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So explain why you're against the Wall, other than it being a Trump idea?

A Wall will only stop some illegals,but it will stop the worse of the illegals. Criminals and unskilled have less chance of getting a Visa. So they have to walk across in tunnels or on land. Not enough tunnels to accommodate all those wanting to use them. They will get discovered and the most lucrative product for smuggling, drugs, get obstructed.

Stricter enforcement of laws for employers is also called for. So are the Visa requirements. Would I and many other British photographers come here if Czech had a thriving community of magazine photographers to compete with?

Apprenticeships has to be the roll of businesses, as it paying enough to attract more residents into bad jobs. Because importing workers is only cheaper for companies, cost the country billions.

Why am I against the wall? because it's a giant waste of fucking money, it will stop nothing because most illegals come here legally and just over stay their visas. Drugs are no flowing across open boarder sections either because they come through ports of entry hidden in other shipments. To move the amount of drugs the cartel moves they aren't wasting time having some dude carry a couple pounds through the fucking desert.. They dig tunnels under existing walls and ship in common freight..


You want to stop illegals then you go after the places that hire them and fine the fuck out of them.. Fine the fuck out of people like Trump every time he gets caught will illegals and suddenly he wouldn't hire a fucking illegal again.. You make it more expensive for him to hire illegals and then he will stop..

Why is it you Red Hats always ignore the fact Trump has been caught countless times with illegals at his resorts and on his construction jobs? Why is there so much silence about that from you guys?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

For those of you not in the US...
There has been quite a dilemma here that is not well known and never talked about.

They have a bit of double standard they have to avoid.
It seems that most of silicon valley and the tech giants here want to be able to hire hi-tech folks from India and some other areas of the world and have been doing so for the last 10 years+ replacing jobs that paid US folks 120k with benefits packages costing yet 20k more with these folks that are willing to come here on these visa's and work for 80k with benefit packages of 12k.

So they lobbied for much of the immigration changes that they can not deny the same of the Mexican folks. It appeases the AG co's here enough to keep both sides in a pool of cheap labor.

Politicians can not deny it, they created it at the request of and nearly written by US Company's. It's just one more case of Government for you, if you have the money to spend. Both party's are at fault no matter what they say. I blame the Republicans more, for it is they who command the issue every election and have been getting the results they desire for almost 20 years. They have stopped all legislation for any changes except to allow more of the same.

But now it is a embedded feature in how things are done and to make a change now would have them all crying foul. Claiming how the cost of everything would go up.
Tell that to the 100k hi tech collage educated folks that lost their jobs to Those to India.
Where is the outcry ?

The double whammy now is, who is going to spend 60-100k on a 4-6 year education when by the time you are ready for the workforce, you may be replaced by a legal immigrant but not citizen. It would be a stupid move in my book because you may never get your investment back. A self generated shortage now has to be filled by those on the outside.

After the bank collapse, they laid-off most of silicon valley. Everyone thought it was do to the banking crisis. But then why did they start hiring all those from India ?

But I am very tired of those who do not understand the so many details of what has been going on and who has caused it blowing smoke up everyone's ass.

They don't really want to fix this. But they will talk about it and do other meaningless things to get your vote.

A wall is meaningless without people to enforce it. If you have the people, you don't need the wall. It becomes a mere obstacle slowing them down. If the border patrol who gets the job done have requested it for certain areas, they should at least get consideration for it.
And that is probably how the wall will play out in the end.

But this does little to change Immigration and the cheap labor it provides preventing wage growth across all segments of the US economy, from the bottom up. So when this fails to do the job, what will they blame 3-6 years from now.

For over 50 years governments have worked tirelessly to make Businesses more profitable and the people poorer. They've done this by exporting jobs, importing people and now lauding automation. The end result is lower wages, lower taxes, more unemployment and poverty. But the 1% still get richer and hide their money from taxes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo...-of-world-gdp/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40442595

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Yeah, you hear that? That silence? That's everyone up in arms about curbing illegal immigration and reducing illegals flooding across the borders. Allowing illegals to flood across the borders and then protecting them is 100% Democratic behavior.

The only silence is between your ears because there is nothing between them but a echo chamber.. I notice you never fucking answer a question you just make more bullshit posts and dodge the questions you are asked... piggy boy..

[VRPdommy]

Just remember this when they talk about allowing more 'LEGAL' Immigration...

They could start by giving legal citizenship status to those that are here now, but they will not, so they can bring more in.
hmmmm......

That conversation will be coming sooner than you think.

[TheSquealer]

It's amusing that you silly racist twits think "legal immigration" means maids and gardeners and fruit pickers.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

It's amusing that you silly racist twits think "legal immigration" means maids and gardeners and fruit pickers.

It's amusing that that's exactly who Trump hires and you still dodge the questions.. because you're a bitch..

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's amusing that that's exactly who Trump hires and you still dodge the questions.. because you're a bitch..

Yes, "Trump hires".

Over 22,000 employees all over the nation and he has lunch or dinner with each one at least once a week.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Yes, "Trump hires".

Over 22,000 employees all over the nation and he has lunch or dinner with each one at least once a week.

quit being a little bitch..

[crockett]

I grabbed Squealer by the pussy and he has nothing more to say because he knows he's a lying bitch.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

It's amusing that you silly racist twits think "legal immigration" means maids and gardeners and fruit pickers.

Funny, that was in my post and very much to the point.
You must not be reading anything just jabbering...
Perhaps you can not read ?
Go to INDIA, their government will see that you have a collage degree for free and you can come back and take a US workers job where that degree costs a lot more and take a US job @ a 40% discount.

[Axeman]

They all want legal and illegal immigration. Sad truth. Their reasons for why they want it, vary between cheap labor and increasing their voter base. But the common answer is both sides do not care about the current Americans. They love to say they do, but their actions are pretty clear.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

The only silence is between your ears because there is nothing between them but a echo chamber.. I notice you never fucking answer a question you just make more bullshit posts and dodge the questions you are asked... piggy boy..

You didn't answer mine. So here it is again.

Why are you against the Wall?

Another one. Why is a fence acceptable?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Just remember this when they talk about allowing more 'LEGAL' Immigration...

They could start by giving legal citizenship status to those that are here now, but they will not, so they can bring more in.
hmmmm......

That conversation will be coming sooner than you think.

No way, that only encourages more and naturalises all of the worse kind as well.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Axeman

They all want legal and illegal immigration. Sad truth. Their reasons for why they want it, vary between cheap labor and increasing their voter base. But the common answer is both sides do not care about the current Americans. They love to say they do, but their actions are pretty clear.

Here's the real problem with governments both sides of the pond.

Migration forces down wages, forces up welfare and poverty and rewards only the rich. In most cases it's long term effect for a country is bad. There are very few jobs a migrant can do that a civilian couldn't. Even what I do. Would I and many others have come to Czech if there was a thriving community of Czech content creators already working in the industry?

Mass migration is only good for the rich.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Here's the real problem with governments both sides of the pond.

Migration forces down wages, forces up welfare and poverty and rewards only the rich. In most cases it's long term effect for a country is bad. There are very few jobs a migrant can do that a civilian couldn't. Even what I do. Would I and many others have come to Czech if there was a thriving community of Czech content creators already working in the industry?

Mass migration is only good for the rich.

Was you the one paying $5 to Czech hookers to shoot content? I remember some funny contracts posted here.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

quit being a little bitch..

If you quit first.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No way, that only encourages more and naturalises all of the worse kind as well.

So you suggest like the Republicans we leave them here as undocumented and illegal taking jobs and not paying taxes, lowering the standard working wage for the rest of the LEGAL folks ?

It is very much the point. Some have been here a lifetime as it is.
Send them back or make them citizens. To do nothing it the worst case and is what we have had for 30+ years this has been a issue.