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Groove · 05-04-2003, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
And Groove, can you please contact me on ICQ..

Are you a total moron? I don't want to talk to you! I do not want to do business with you! How many times do I have to tell you? I want you to send me a refund via Paypal. Just send me my fucking refund you moron!

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Ah, that is right DigiPimp, It appears that according to the law AronnM, is full of czechalslovakian shit...

Back your mouth with legal proof or you may find yourself in a world of hurt.

Digipimp · 05-04-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Things are not always as they seem.

J.L. Kindly stop this. It's not funny.

True indeed. Anyway it's your guys biz not mine so I'm not worried, I never requested docs but I did ask if I could get them and he told me it would cost, but I checked all that out before I ordered. So whatever is whatever, I'm just a confused spectator.

Brujah · 05-04-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Groove

So it's not cheating to sell someone video sets on the basis that docs will be provided, only to turn around after you've received payment and say docs are not included?

I don't think he was cheating you. I've never seen or heard of him cheating anyone else before. He might have changed his mind. He might no have felt comfortable handing over the model's IDs yet. If he didn't offer a refund, only then in my opinion would he have done anything unethical in your deal.

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
WTF does sending model ID's have to do with copyright? I am willing to bet that you do not have a LEGAL copyright for a single fucking image. Prove me wrong. I will give you 5 minutes to post the mailing addy and the process for a bulk copyright registration.

Tell me the Addy, the timeframe required by law, and the cost. This info is available on line and that is why you have a 5 minute limit. Prove me wrong.....I dare you.

Oh look...It's been over 5 minutes and not even a weak attempt to post the info requested.

Tell us another lie Sobe.

Groove · 05-04-2003, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
I don't think he was cheating you. I've never seen or heard of him cheating anyone else before. He might have changed his mind. He might no have felt comfortable handing over the model's IDs yet. If he didn't offer a refund, only then in my opinion would he have done anything unethical in your deal.

I don't know how you do business. But when I give someone XX amount of money in exchange for specific products or services, I don't expect them to turn around after I've made a purchase and tell me that they have changed their mind about precisely what it is that I'm buying. Where I am from, that is called "fraud". As for a refund, I have asked repeatedly for a refund and so far he has ignored the request.

Brujah · 05-04-2003, 12:34 AM

when is a copyright created?

As soon as you create your work, a copyright is created. When a photographer clicks the shutter, s/he has a copyright in the image that appears on the film. When a designer creates a promotional piece, when a painter paints a canvas or an illustrator sketches an image, a copyright exists as soon as the creator's (non-copyrightable) idea is expressed in a medium that can be viewed.

Brujah · 05-04-2003, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by Groove

I don't know how you do business. But when I give someone XX amount of money in exchange for specific products or services, I don't expect them to turn around after I've made a purchase and tell me that they have changed their mind about precisely what it is that I'm buying. Where I am from, that is called "fraud". As for a refund, I have asked repeatedly for a refund and so far he has ignored the request.

Yeah, ok.. terminating a deal and offering a refund is fraud. Whatever you say genius.

Groove · 05-04-2003, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
Yeah, ok.. terminating a deal and offering a refund is fraud. Whatever you say genius.

He took my fucking money... then he changed his mind about what it was that he was selling me. If you think that's OK, remind me not to ever do any business with you!

KRL · 05-04-2003, 12:38 AM

I haven't gone through the entire thread yet, but in defense of SoBeGirl, I've sat next to him and his girl at a webmaster dinner and he seemed liked a straight shooter, with a lot of ambition and energy, and ideas. I've never seen his studio setup in South Beach, but I've not heard anything bad from other photographers down here in South Florida about him.

I had a studio in LA before so I know the dilema photographers are in by handing out there complete model info. A handful of webmasters are slick willys and will turn around, setup a small content operation and start reselling the stuff.

I had one large collection of chromes I bought once and ending up having 2 other photographers call me when they were in the magazines saying I didn't have a license. Yet I had it in black and white along with the signed model releases, and double ID pics. So 3 photographers say they own the rights. Two were lying or somebody fucked somebody over there.

This is why content creators get so paranoid about handing out the works to webmasterss. It basically is like handing over the printing plates at the Federal Reserve. Once you have it all you can print your own dough.

Just my 2 cents for what its worth on this thread. I understand the webmasters dilema as well in light of all the stringent regs out there. Its a tough call.

Brujah · 05-04-2003, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by Groove

He took my fucking money... then he changed his mind about what it was that he was selling me. If you think that's OK, remind me not to ever do any business with you!

I'm so sad.

boneprone · 05-04-2003, 12:40 AM

Sobe, just give the docs man even if you think it does not comply with the law Aaron has stated. Even if you think it is not law, think of it as Family law for the family. Just do it bro.

Aaron is who we have put in charge of getting detailed law legalities when it comes to content. The family has invested serious money in educating him and giving him the oppertunity to consult with some of the finest legal advisiors and attorneys in the nation representing our industry. Sure many may not agree with it and say its bullshit and its not law, but as a family we like to cover our ass and that of the webmasters so we make it official family law.

Aaron is the say and I am confident he is not making it up. You may see or feel otherwise which is your right. But consider this family law. Please comply thats all bro.

I dont expect the two of you to get along since there was a lot of personal attacks here. I can only hope you two get along in the long run and we can have some beers together in Florida as a family.

This would not be the first time Aaron has shown tough love initally, just ask Paul Markham. But in the end im sure you will find it is in your best intrest to work with aaron on this and not against it. He can be a very valuable friend and is only sharing this info to protect us all

He's a good guy thats damn head strong. Now a lot of personal attacks have been shot around outside this debate. Now that this debate is over and that we can agree to compiance I want you two to kiss and make up.

The family has invested serious money on the Blazer game tomorrow and I dont want any fucking distractions.

Paul Markham · 05-04-2003, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
I am not fighting. I give. Whatever BoneProne tells me to do I will do it. I trust in the wisdom of BoneProne. I really don't know what to do. I want to make webmasters feel comfortable, but I also want to protect my interests in the copywrite of my products. I am seeking advice not conflict. BoneProne Help ! ! !

The easiest way to protect copyright is to have your name and contact details in the documents. Then if any one tries to resell them the buyer knows exactly where they came from.

Assuming the purchaser insists on the documents.

Any other excuses you need me to shoot down for you?

Brujah · 05-04-2003, 12:42 AM

Sobe is BP4L!

SoBeGirl Video · 05-04-2003, 12:42 AM

Groove I want to refund your money. Just contact me on ICQ and we will get it done.

Peace I am going to bed...

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
when is a copyright created?

As soon as you create your work, a copyright is created. When a photographer clicks the shutter, s/he has a copyright in the image that appears on the film. When a designer creates a promotional piece, when a painter paints a canvas or an illustrator sketches an image, a copyright exists as soon as the creator's (non-copyrightable) idea is expressed in a medium that can be viewed.

Yeah, ok.

I asked about a legal copyright. One that actually give the owner "RIGHTS" in a court of law and what you have just described does not.

If this were the case then why would there be a copyright office?

Groove · 05-04-2003, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone
Sobe, just give the docs man even if you think it does not comply with the law Aaron has stated. Even if you think it is not law, think of it as Family law for the family. Just do it bro.

Thanks Boneprone. But Sobe is not the kind of person I want to do business with. His word obviously means nothing. I want him to send me a refund via Paypal. I have asked for this countless times, but he ignores my requests.

Pappa · 05-04-2003, 12:46 AM

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boneprone · 05-04-2003, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Groove I want to refund your money. Just contact me on ICQ and we will get it done.

Peace I am going to bed...

Good move.
It was good to talk to you on icq.
Get some rest.

Trust me this will all workout better in the longrun.
I know why you are concerned, but if we see people stealing from you with these documents and selling your content like you said you were concerned about we will deal with them.

We have ways of dealing with people.

Just trust me man.

Digipimp · 05-04-2003, 12:50 AM

This shit gets more comical by the minute. I need to talk to you on ICQ sometime BoneProne.

Paul Markham · 05-04-2003, 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by lEricPl
You guys are like a pack of wolves.

So let me get this strait....

Buy a $30.00 set of Jenna Jameson and get her Drivers License and address too?

Think that's smart?

"It's to prove age"

Okay, well what about Guage? Looks a little young right?

Can I get her ID too?

No you need the documents to make sure the guy you are buying from has the rights to resell the content and that on that particular shoot she signed away Internet rights. Or do you fancy facing Jennas lawyer in court??

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone

Good move.
It was good to talk to you on icq.
Get some rest.

Trust me this will all workout better in the longrun.
I know why you are concerned, but if we see people stealing from you with these documents and selling your content like you said you were concerned about we will deal with them.

We have ways of dealing with people.

Just trust me man.

LOL....

Dude, you are too funny. You know what I am talking about.

boneprone · 05-04-2003, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by Groove

Thanks Boneprone. But Sobe is not the kind of person I want to do business with. His word obviously means nothing. I want him to send me a refund via Paypal. I have asked for this countless times, but he ignores my requests.

Consider it done.

Now he's new to the family.
Im trying to convince him all this is for the best.

One step at a time. Sobe will be fine.
I broght him aboard becasuse he was a cool mopther fucker with good conetnt for dirt cheap. He's been selling to me and the family for dirt fucking cheap. It was my idea to have em come here and give this rate to everyone on GFY. He agreed.

I think he has gotten more than he bargined for here at GFY, but I would have it no other way!!

Everyone who has initally entered GFY and the family has had it rough the first few weeks.

God i remeber the time Aaron "the mole" had back in the day.
The way he handled him self in that beat in showed me he was the man for the job of right hand man of the faimly..

Give sobe a chance and some time. He's head strong too. BUt I have a feeling things will work out fine.

If Aaron doesnt shoot him first.

boneprone · 05-04-2003, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

LOL....

Dude, you are too funny. You know what I am talking about.

No. And we wont talk about it.
THat was in the past and not for GFY to share.

Fucking Russians.

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone

Consider it done.

Now he's new to the family.
Im trying to convince him all this is for the best.

One step at a time. Sobe will be fine.
I broght him aboard becasuse he was a cool mopther fucker with good conetnt for dirt cheap. He's been selling to me and the family for dirt fucking cheap. It was my idea to have em come here and give this rate to everyone on GFY. He agreed.

He ain't full on family yet. In fact, he will be damn luck if he ever is. You and I need to talk.

Call me tomorrow.

Paul Markham · 05-04-2003, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah

Not complicated.

If he decides at some point he doesn't want to provide copies of the models ID. He doesn't have to give it to you. He's not cheating you, he offered a refund didn't he ?

Obviously in a business where we rarely meet face to face, you feel someones word is not to be relied on either.

He said he would provide them, then pulled a fast one by upping the price. Nice business practise.

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone

No. And we wont talk about it.
THat was in the past and not for GFY to share.

Fucking Russians.

LMFAO!

STOP IT! My sides are hurting from the laughter.

UnseenWorld · 05-04-2003, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by charly
If the documents are in order and the contact details are removed then there is no reason to not send them. And as for charging more that sucks.

I spoke to a US attorney Lawrence G Walters at the Amsterdam show. He said the 2257 law will be tightened now that the Attorney General has been asked to show how many times they have used it.

That's good for the US govt because right now we all have the defense that the govt has declined almost all offers to provide guidelines and defintions. This will make it hard for them to prosecute past "offenses." AND, knowing what the standards are henceforth, it will be easier to comply.

Brujah · 05-04-2003, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by charly
Obviously in a business where we rarely meet face to face, you feel someones word is not to be relied on either.

He said he would provide them, then pulled a fast one by upping the price. Nice business practise.

I agree with that.
The price increase is an important point. That shows it wasn't a concern about the ID then.

You can't trust those BP4L types.

boneprone · 05-04-2003, 01:02 AM

Unseen,

do you really ride bicycles all around town with your camera?

Paul Markham · 05-04-2003, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
when is a copyright created?

As soon as you create your work, a copyright is created. When a photographer clicks the shutter, s/he has a copyright in the image that appears on the film. When a designer creates a promotional piece, when a painter paints a canvas or an illustrator sketches an image, a copyright exists as soon as the creator's (non-copyrightable) idea is expressed in a medium that can be viewed.

Absolutely, it just makes it easier to pursue with a lawyer if it's registered with the copyright office.

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah

I agree with that.
The price increase is an important point. That shows it wasn't a concern about the ID then.

You can't trust those BP4L types.

lol...You know, for the amount of shit you flick me, I still think I like you. Not that you care...Which is probably why I feel this way in the first place.

Digipimp · 05-04-2003, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone
Unseen,

do you really ride bicycles all around town with your camera?

What the hell?

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by Digipimp

What the hell?

LOL....I guess you missed that thread.

BTW, Turn on your ICQ.

Digipimp · 05-04-2003, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

LOL....I guess you missed that thread.

BTW, Turn on your ICQ.

Bro my ICQ is on 173847572.

God damnit the number in my sig was wrong but it's fixed now. However if you just click the little link where it shows my ICQ you can message me straight from there.

boneprone · 05-04-2003, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

lol...You know, for the amount of shit you flick me, I still think I like you. Not that you care...Which is probably why I feel this way in the first place.

yeah same here.
he kinda has that attitude. That spark..

We need to corupt him to the dark side.

TDF · 05-04-2003, 01:16 AM

mr. rogers of porn

Paul Markham · 05-04-2003, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

That's good for the US govt because right now we all have the defense that the govt has declined almost all offers to provide guidelines and defintions. This will make it hard for them to prosecute past "offenses." AND, knowing what the standards are henceforth, it will be easier to comply.

2257 was a very bad and hastily written law. It tried to say that US publishers should have the documents, it defined a publisher as someone who alters/edits the content. Then it was decided in court that webmasters are not primary publishers. Was this a webmaster that altered an image?

Thw whole thing is a mess. Why do they not give guidelines? Cos they do not know what they should be.

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone

yeah same here.
he kinda has that attitude. That spark..

We need to corupt him to the dark side.

My thoughts exactly.

boneprone · 05-04-2003, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

My thoughts exactly.

hmmm.
I wonder if he craves the cock?

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone

hmmm.
I wonder if he craves the cock?

Not bloody likely.

L_B · 05-04-2003, 09:20 AM

OK Boneprone has spoken, he said fess up the docs... you can blank out the adresses, but you promised the docs before the sale, and a man has to stand by his words, or start issuing refunds...

SoBe -- are you a man of his word?

I suggest you scan and make PDF's cheaper than mail....

LB

Groove · 05-04-2003, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
Sobe, just give the docs man even if you think it does not comply with the law Aaron has stated. Even if you think it is not law, think of it as Family law for the family. Just do it bro.

Seems Sobe doesn't have much respect for Family Law:

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Groove 2003-05- 1:49 AM I downloaded the sample sets and they look
good. Boneprone says you'll provide model
releases and photo IDs at no charge. Is that
correct? If so, I'd like to proceed with the
purchase of 80 sets. I'm still pretty
pissed-off that you didn't honor your
commitments without the need for this drama.
But this really is a great deal, so I guess
I'd be a fool to pass up on it. We must talk
when we're next both on ICQ. Let's put this
shit behind us

Erik 2003-05- 4:26 AM You there?

Erik 2003-05- 4:42 AM Groove, this is what I am willing to do. The
ten sets you bought from me I will provide you
the docs for. The other 80 you wnat I will not
proved all the docs for. If still want to buy
the other 80 at 5 dollars each, and see some
girls only a few, that you want docs for I
will send them to you but I will not send all
80. Let me know what you would like to do...

I want *ALL* of my sets and *ALL* of the docs you asshole!

05-04-2003, 12:34 AM	#107
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	when is a copyright created? As soon as you create your work, a copyright is created. When a photographer clicks the shutter, s/he has a copyright in the image that appears on the film. When a designer creates a promotional piece, when a painter paints a canvas or an illustrator sketches an image, a copyright exists as soon as the creator's (non-copyrightable) idea is expressed in a medium that can be viewed. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

05-04-2003, 12:38 AM	#110
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	I haven't gone through the entire thread yet, but in defense of SoBeGirl, I've sat next to him and his girl at a webmaster dinner and he seemed liked a straight shooter, with a lot of ambition and energy, and ideas. I've never seen his studio setup in South Beach, but I've not heard anything bad from other photographers down here in South Florida about him. I had a studio in LA before so I know the dilema photographers are in by handing out there complete model info. A handful of webmasters are slick willys and will turn around, setup a small content operation and start reselling the stuff. I had one large collection of chromes I bought once and ending up having 2 other photographers call me when they were in the magazines saying I didn't have a license. Yet I had it in black and white along with the signed model releases, and double ID pics. So 3 photographers say they own the rights. Two were lying or somebody fucked somebody over there. This is why content creators get so paranoid about handing out the works to webmasterss. It basically is like handing over the printing plates at the Federal Reserve. Once you have it all you can print your own dough. Just my 2 cents for what its worth on this thread. I understand the webmasters dilema as well in light of all the stringent regs out there. Its a tough call. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

05-04-2003, 12:40 AM	#112
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Sobe, just give the docs man even if you think it does not comply with the law Aaron has stated. Even if you think it is not law, think of it as Family law for the family. Just do it bro. Aaron is who we have put in charge of getting detailed law legalities when it comes to content. The family has invested serious money in educating him and giving him the oppertunity to consult with some of the finest legal advisiors and attorneys in the nation representing our industry. Sure many may not agree with it and say its bullshit and its not law, but as a family we like to cover our ass and that of the webmasters so we make it official family law. Aaron is the say and I am confident he is not making it up. You may see or feel otherwise which is your right. But consider this family law. Please comply thats all bro. I dont expect the two of you to get along since there was a lot of personal attacks here. I can only hope you two get along in the long run and we can have some beers together in Florida as a family. This would not be the first time Aaron has shown tough love initally, just ask Paul Markham. But in the end im sure you will find it is in your best intrest to work with aaron on this and not against it. He can be a very valuable friend and is only sharing this info to protect us all He's a good guy thats damn head strong. Now a lot of personal attacks have been shot around outside this debate. Now that this debate is over and that we can agree to compiance I want you two to kiss and make up. The family has invested serious money on the Blazer game tomorrow and I dont want any fucking distractions. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

05-04-2003, 12:42 AM	#114
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Sobe is BP4L! __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

05-04-2003, 12:46 AM	#118
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05-04-2003, 12:42 AM	#115
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	Groove I want to refund your money. Just contact me on ICQ and we will get it done. Peace I am going to bed...

05-04-2003, 12:50 AM	#120
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	This shit gets more comical by the minute. I need to talk to you on ICQ sometime BoneProne. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

05-04-2003, 01:02 AM	#130
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Unseen, do you really ride bicycles all around town with your camera? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

05-04-2003, 01:16 AM	#137
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05-04-2003, 09:20 AM	#142
L_B Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Small Tropical Island Posts: 1	OK Boneprone has spoken, he said fess up the docs... you can blank out the adresses, but you promised the docs before the sale, and a man has to stand by his words, or start issuing refunds... SoBe -- are you a man of his word? I suggest you scan and make PDF's cheaper than mail.... LB