Just a mini rant of running 10+ wordpress sites - GoFuckYourself.com

lakerslive · 08-17-2018, 01:28 PM

It sucks when you have to apply new shit, changes, maintenance to all 10+ sites across your network.

How you guys manage your wordpress sites?
I use excel

Sly · 08-17-2018, 01:37 PM

What kind of changes?

You are utilizing automatic updates, I hope, to make things just a little bit easier.

AzteK · 08-17-2018, 01:38 PM

10+ should be a super manageable number - I touch each site to make sure things are running fine...yea I use a gdoc

lakerslive · 08-17-2018, 01:41 PM

google doc?

why not excel? soo efficient..u can color code ,etc.. or is google word/doc better?

Rochard · 08-17-2018, 01:48 PM

Why not just run all of the sites off of the same Wordpress install?

Miguel T · 08-17-2018, 01:55 PM

I use this: https://wordpress.org/plugins/worker/

lakerslive · 08-17-2018, 02:20 PM

yeah, problem is, you discover a small error or something to make your site better, or a change to one of the icons or whatever , you have to do it 10x! i guess its more a task thing.

But yeah, cool wp site management tool besides for completing tasks but for monitoring this is good

magneto664 · 08-17-2018, 02:22 PM

Right now i manage over 60+ wp sites by : https://mainwp.com/

tfto · 08-17-2018, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Miguel T

I use this: https://wordpress.org/plugins/worker/

I also use this to manage all of my WP sites. It makes life so much easier!

PornDiscounts-V · 08-18-2018, 01:07 AM

WP CLI makes it easy

GLMBV · 08-18-2018, 02:35 AM

You can use Infinite WP for backups, updates addons and much more.

borg2of5 · 08-18-2018, 03:04 AM

I dropped all frameworks and PHP in general years ago. Personally, I prefer to have my entire "adult business" in one .NET Core solution with one project per website so that I can easily share code and functionalities between them.

It comes with a number of pros:

- You don't need to react to someone else's update cycle
- You don't need PHP on your server, your websites are single binaries and systemd services
- If you write a function for one website and it's a clean service, you can just include it in your other websites, too (in my case feeds, search functions, widgets etc)
- When you fix vulnerabilities and update your software, you decide how much backwards compatibility you break. And it won't break on production because it's not PHP. It won't even compile if it's broken so you notice before deploying

Also I aim to have a unit test for every edge case.

I suggest everyone who has development skills to just drop PHP, drop wordpress, build your software and make it right. There is no need to use an ancient, broken, slow-performing and unsafe scripting language like PHP in 2018. I understand that we didn't have many choices a decade ago but nowadays it's different.

Invest the time, create a good product and maintain it. There's a reason why none of the most popular adult websites are wordpress.

CurrentlySober · 08-18-2018, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lakerslive

It sucks when you have to apply new shit...

Personally, I'd call that a bonus...

The Porn Nerd · 08-18-2018, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by borg2of5

I suggest everyone who has development skills to just drop PHP, drop wordpress, build your software and make it right. There is no need to use an ancient, broken, slow-performing and unsafe scripting language like PHP in 2018. I understand that we didn't have many choices a decade ago but nowadays it's different.

Invest the time, create a good product and maintain it. There's a reason why none of the most popular adult websites are wordpress.

That's fine for mega companies but for one-man shows (or smaller companies) WP sites can be a great source of traffic. In fact, most affiliates use WP so doing all the codework for them would not be worthwhile I think.

It also depends on what kind of site we are talking, how much traffic, bandwidth drain, etc. There are reasons why some 'ancient' languages like PHP or WP (or HTML for that matter) do not die.

crockett · 08-18-2018, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lakerslive

It sucks when you have to apply new shit, changes, maintenance to all 10+ sites across your network.

How you guys manage your wordpress sites?
I use excel

Try 50 plus..

borg2of5 · 08-18-2018, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

That's fine for mega companies

We are 3 developers, not a mega company. In the end, it's much less effort than people imagine because the time you don't spend dealing with vulnerabilities and update problems is the time you spend developing your own instead.

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

It also depends on what kind of site we are talking, how much traffic, bandwidth drain, etc. There are reasons why some 'ancient' languages like PHP or WP (or HTML for that matter) do not die.

The reason is mostly historical because of the ease of access and the lack of alternatives. For more than a decade, there wasn't much else besides PHP, obtainable on a shared hosting offer. Other techniques were harder to access because they meant requiring either an initial money investment or the danger of maintaining your own server. Today, with AWS, Azure and what-not, it's not like that anymore.

Our search engine has 15 000 000 videos. 96 % of search queries are served below 0.4 seconds and it's hosted on a single VPS with 4 cores and 8 GB ram. Most things are written from scratch aside from some very common software. We are 3 developers maintaining and extending this. We are currently working on automatic typo-correction without breaking the 0.4 second rule. Our biggest bottle-neck right now is the loading time of thumbnails.

Imagining we did this in PHP instead, our initial development time would have been lower (it took us 3 months to get the minimum-version online, with PHP maybe just one month?) but the server costs would have been HUGE now (or our website would be slow af and suck).

I'm new in the adult business. Maybe my mindset is just wrong. But we are trying to build a great new product. Building something amazing and new, is just not possible on Wordpress, in my opinion

Feel free to keep this post and laugh at me when I start making Wordpress websites myself in a few years after failing and failing. Who knows.

Sly · 08-18-2018, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borg2of5

We are 3 developers, not a mega company. In the end, it's much less effort than people imagine because the time you don't spend dealing with vulnerabilities and update problems is the time you spend developing your own instead.

The reason is mostly historical because of the ease of access and the lack of alternatives. For more than a decade, there wasn't much else besides PHP, obtainable on a shared hosting offer. Other techniques were harder to access because they meant requiring either an initial money investment or the danger of maintaining your own server. Today, with AWS, Azure and what-not, it's not like that anymore.

Our search engine has 15 000 000 videos. 96 % of search queries are served below 0.4 seconds and it's hosted on a single VPS with 4 cores and 8 GB ram. Most things are written from scratch aside from some very common software. We are 3 developers maintaining and extending this. We are currently working on automatic typo-correction without breaking the 0.4 second rule. Our biggest bottle-neck right now is the loading time of thumbnails.

Imagining we did this in PHP instead, our initial development time would have been lower (it took us 3 months to get the minimum-version online, with PHP maybe just one month?) but the server costs would have been HUGE now (or our website would be slow af and suck).

I'm new in the adult business. Maybe my mindset is just wrong. But we are trying to build a great new product. Building something amazing and new, is just not possible on Wordpress, in my opinion

Feel free to keep this post and laugh at me when I start making Wordpress websites myself in a few years after failing and failing. Who knows.

Great post. I love your attitude.

Building great products takes time. No Instant Gratification allowed.

lakerslive · 08-18-2018, 02:19 PM

Wordpress is great for startup / validating ideas

HomerSimpson · 08-20-2018, 11:18 AM

https://infinitewp.com/ - free and works great... I've been using it for years now...

PornDiscounts-V · 08-20-2018, 11:41 AM

WP-CLI and make your own bash scripts. Easy as pi.

Denny · 08-21-2018, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

https://infinitewp.com/ - free and works great... I've been using it for years now...

Does it backup whole sites including DBs, files/media...?

HairyChick · 08-21-2018, 07:44 PM

I ran about forty sites on WordPress. Every site was manually updated by me. Too many new versions of WP and/or plugins and themes have issues, leaving you vulnerable. I’d wait ten days to be sure it was okay, then update everything. It took time as I’d do an extra backup first in case I had to downgrade. Plugins don’t always play nice with older themes or versions.

It took time but was worth it. If you upgrade and something breaks, you try to figure out why, then what caused it, then find the previous version, etc. Consider it weekly maintenance after you do a backup. If too much breaks, restore saves you many headaches.

I don’t install plugins or themes via Wordpress. FTP is better IMHO because you’ll have a copy of the original on your machine. If a vulnerability is discovered down the line, waiting for the fix can be hell. It takes a few minutes and then just move that program original to flash drive. Just in case ......

lakerslive · 08-21-2018, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PamWinterReturns

I ran about forty sites on WordPress. Every site was manually updated by me. Too many new versions of WP and/or plugins and themes have issues, leaving you vulnerable. I’d wait ten days to be sure it was okay, then update everything. It took time as I’d do an extra backup first in case I had to downgrade. Plugins don’t always play nice with older themes or versions.

It took time but was worth it. If you upgrade and something breaks, you try to figure out why, then what caused it, then find the previous version, etc. Consider it weekly maintenance after you do a backup. If too much breaks, restore saves you many headaches.

I don’t install plugins or themes via Wordpress. FTP is better IMHO because you’ll have a copy of the original on your machine. If a vulnerability is discovered down the line, waiting for the fix can be hell. It takes a few minutes and then just move that program original to flash drive. Just in case ......

i agree. U have to have it saved on your machine locally.. like organized by date with notes and shiet.

Then i have a spreadsheet via google of list to get a clear clear list of todo list, starting a new site checklist, bugs, whether i cleaned up the site of broken videos, broken pages, xml sitemaps have been submitted, plugins done, every plug installed, etc etc... It's very visual color coded tables green = good, red = needs attention, etc etc.

lakerslive · 08-21-2018, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borg2of5

We are 3 developers, not a mega company. In the end, it's much less effort than people imagine because the time you don't spend dealing with vulnerabilities and update problems is the time you spend developing your own instead.

The reason is mostly historical because of the ease of access and the lack of alternatives. For more than a decade, there wasn't much else besides PHP, obtainable on a shared hosting offer. Other techniques were harder to access because they meant requiring either an initial money investment or the danger of maintaining your own server. Today, with AWS, Azure and what-not, it's not like that anymore.

Our search engine has 15 000 000 videos. 96 % of search queries are served below 0.4 seconds and it's hosted on a single VPS with 4 cores and 8 GB ram. Most things are written from scratch aside from some very common software. We are 3 developers maintaining and extending this. We are currently working on automatic typo-correction without breaking the 0.4 second rule. Our biggest bottle-neck right now is the loading time of thumbnails.

Imagining we did this in PHP instead, our initial development time would have been lower (it took us 3 months to get the minimum-version online, with PHP maybe just one month?) but the server costs would have been HUGE now (or our website would be slow af and suck).

I'm new in the adult business. Maybe my mindset is just wrong. But we are trying to build a great new product. Building something amazing and new, is just not possible on Wordpress, in my opinion

Feel free to keep this post and laugh at me when I start making Wordpress websites myself in a few years after failing and failing. Who knows.

1. are you doing niche? or general?
2. So your current software is wordpress?

08-17-2018, 01:28 PM	#1
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lakerslive Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 929	google doc? why not excel? soo efficient..u can color code ,etc.. or is google word/doc better?

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lakerslive Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 929	yeah, problem is, you discover a small error or something to make your site better, or a change to one of the icons or whatever , you have to do it 10x! i guess its more a task thing. But yeah, cool wp site management tool besides for completing tasks but for monitoring this is good

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borg2of5 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 25	I dropped all frameworks and PHP in general years ago. Personally, I prefer to have my entire "adult business" in one .NET Core solution with one project per website so that I can easily share code and functionalities between them. It comes with a number of pros: - You don't need to react to someone else's update cycle - You don't need PHP on your server, your websites are single binaries and systemd services - If you write a function for one website and it's a clean service, you can just include it in your other websites, too (in my case feeds, search functions, widgets etc) - When you fix vulnerabilities and update your software, you decide how much backwards compatibility you break. And it won't break on production because it's not PHP. It won't even compile if it's broken so you notice before deploying Also I aim to have a unit test for every edge case. I suggest everyone who has development skills to just drop PHP, drop wordpress, build your software and make it right. There is no need to use an ancient, broken, slow-performing and unsafe scripting language like PHP in 2018. I understand that we didn't have many choices a decade ago but nowadays it's different. Invest the time, create a good product and maintain it. There's a reason why none of the most popular adult websites are wordpress. __________________ Software Engineer with 12 years of professional experience C++ / Microsoft .NET / SQL / Web Development ICQ: 10990009

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