Originally Posted by magneto664 (Post 22209027)

Oh, that would explain why I see Google robot in the statistics that simulates a real user.
on some pages even 5-6 times a day.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22209051)

you will not see the editors.
they come as real users (because they are real) and are not to identify.

Originally Posted by magneto664 (Post 22209071)

https://i.imgur.com/hSEcZ5D.png


https://media.giphy.com/media/DvtsYOKrqPZg4/giphy.gif

:)

Originally Posted by lucas (Post 22209025)

So now they (google/chrom) have control over every ad no matter of which (if any) ad company is serving it?

Do they have control of over 50% of all Internet ads revenue?

And with one mouse click they can kill 50% of profit to every agency? To every website that live from ads?

And they will never use it against political opponents, right?

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22209093)

this is the google bot - have nothing to do with the editors.

these guys are doing this job from their home and most of them are in canada.

Originally Posted by magneto664 (Post 22209107)

No, this is a real user, common!

recognized by RIPE IP database.

and most of google editors was from india few years ago.

Originally Posted by xApster (Post 22209119)

Does anyone know what form of pops are allowed, if any?

I know a few ad agency's seem to think a pop-over when a user clicks on a link should not have any issues, any truth to this?

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22209127)

ah this is the ISP you looked at ????

then you will see many of them :-)

this is google edge network peering - many real users come over that


https://peering.google.com

Originally Posted by magneto664 (Post 22209141)

ok, end of story, this is a bot who simulate a real user.
is started just before 15th.
bot simulate real user with browser, system and resolution, check for popups?
2 action explainme he try to click or website to simulate popunder.
tnx
https://i.imgur.com/2wSFrRd.png

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22208389)

paul seriously - your problem is that you do not have any overview in that market anymore and you never had a clue how money is made.

you know the internet from a time when only really rich people could afford it and when everybody was believing everything. this was the time when everyone could make money and as we have been much less people this "big" money from few people where shared under few.

when internet became cheaper it also bright another quality of users with less money and in the same time the number of competitors grow (because they heard about easy money). so that was the goldrush effect and nothing else.

the money what is made WITH porn today is MUCH MUCH MORE as it was in the best times (when we made the money with selling porn).

alone in my network are a few big mediabuying companies what are spending MILLIONS every month for buying traffic on porn sites and sell this users very other products than porn.

the real value of a user are not the 0,28% of his budget what he spends for porn (and that was in 1997 the same as it is now) it is his budget as a consumer what is buying all and everything.

you are crying because in the past 50 years around 80% of the cinemas did close - YES - but the money what is made with free TV is 1000 times more as ist was in the time of cinemas.

so start to understand that times have changed. your ideas do not work anymore and there are TONNS of new people in the biz what bring fresh money.
if you talk with the ones who still live in the past you might hear from them that what you think. but if you still would be in the everyday biz and have to do with the new and fresh people you would be astonished about the numbers what are to realize with porn.

i can not say exactly how much more money is in that biz compared to let´s say 2000 but i am pretty shure it is 10-20 times more now.

so your concept would be to change a running and working system to an old and rotten one what will NEVER work again.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22208393)

i want to pick out this part separately because it is TRUE but not a reflection of the market. it is just a reflection that many many people do not understand advertising.

i was starting with selling traffic first time in 1997 and in this time nobody even knew about CPM. we all got paid by click because it is the big advantage internet have to SEE users reaction.

CPM was born after the good times when in europe dialers died and when the price for having internet dropped so much that the "poors" can come also.

a single click in 1997 was around 0,40 - 0,50 DM (in that time around 0,25 U$)
but with more experiences and poorer users this price was not to hold anymore.
so CPCs dropped and that was the time when they started to introduce CPM in adult.

whenever the price dropped publishers increased the number of ads in a site. that provoked that the number of clicks on each where decreasing and it was nessecary for an advertiser to put more attention on the banner by starting with blinks and fake informations.

if the competitor did not want to lose clicks he had to do the same and this endet in so called "performance marketing" what is nothing else than trying to filter from a very high number of traffic the most relevant out and send them somewhere where the same "statistical group" bought most.

this have NOTHING to do with advertisement and brought even unprofessional ad creators in the game - people who might be able to make a banner with blinki blinki for 3 dollar and producing 1000 of them every month.

when i started trafficfabrik i was aware all this issues and i started against all odds a CPC network like in 1997.

my goal was to find those advertisers what are WILLING to learn the rules of advertising and compete with products and instead of finding just traffic find the RIGHT traffic for their products.
I do not even need a source filter for that because i say that the banner already IS a filter.

and if you do not write "FREE" on it you might get less clicks but those what have a high quality.

when i started that everyone was laughing about me and told me that this is not a product what is "in the time".

in the past 5 years we have been growing EVERY year more than 100% from one year to the next and in 2017 we still made a grow of 168% in compare to 2016.

the CPCs in that time increased also 150% while the prices in CPM dropped more than the half.

the daily budgets in our network are around 10-15 times higher as the traffic we can deliver - but I am still aware to take people on publishers or advertisers site who do not understand my philosophy.
i want to make the LONGTERM money and i give a fuck on the short term.
this is how i survived 21 years in this biz and was ALWAYS on the sunny side.

so you see IT IS POSSIBLE with pure logic !

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22209489)

Let me be clear for the denser of you. The porn industry are the people with cameras. Those shooting models either live cams or the recorded porn industry. That was all I referred to when I stated it has been decimated by free porn.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22209049)

to make it clear:

chrome64 and higher is NOT an adblocker !!!!

it just blocks domains what failed at the manually check.

a user even see there a message "Ad is blocked - klick here if you want to see all ads on the side"

as far as i understood the site will be unblocked FOR THE USER WHO DOES THAT as long as he does not witch back to block.
a user also can NOT block sites or ads because he don´t like it.

google decides what they think it needs to be blocked and the user can always stop this block for a domain.

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 22209529)

EDIT:
Well, i just tested Plugrush pop which i have on my sites with google chrome 65 beta and it's working, so it seems you are indeed right. So,i'l assume having a special anti-adblock code it is required only if you end up manualy blocked. Tho, i would need to do test with other ad network pops as well.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22209545)

not a good idea!

if they blocking you AFTER a manually test and you work around it with technical solutions (what indeed are existing but with a HEAVY intrusion in the users browser) they will mark your side as malware (what it is indeed than) because only the USER can decide for this unblock and if a software does that instead the user it is 1000% malware.

if the google traffic is important for you i would not play such games.

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 22209563)

I dont see why they would mark it as malware, after all for mobile redirect which was causing temporal removal from index didnt not had any markings. But anyway, time will show. And only trial and error approach works, playing safe is kind a self-defeating attitude. Meaning, it's not over till it's over. And keep in mind, if you cant monetize google traffic, then it's useless anyway.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22209567)

the will mark it as malware because the ONLY way to unblock the browser is the click of the user. means: some software have to do that instead of the user - and this is called malware because it is a huge intrusion in the users computer.

this is why popunders actually do not work on chrome as pop under anymore because that was also using a malware technique by telling the browser that he have to open a new browser for an adobe pdf and fill it then instead the pdf with something else.

actually i can not see any issue with google traffic - since the change we make even more with it and we are compliant with their rules.
why should someone take a risk to make zero by frauding the rules when he can make more with NOT frauding the rules.
but that´s finally everybody´s own decision. me and my publishers will be happy to fill up every empty google position :-)

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22209525)

paul, why shall i sell recorded porn when i can make much more money by giving recorded porn for free and sell 100s of other things with it ?

what you want to explain me is that in a cowboy movie only horses should be promoted.

you are so far away from reality !!!

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22209631)

Yes I worked in the days before you traffic monkeys gave away free porn. You confimed my statement.



well that seems to work fine because as older it became as more successful

https://www.trafficfabrik.com/images/biz-perf-2017.png

btw: around 75% from my buyers aren´t german :-)





Can you back that up with any sort of proof? Talk is for free.

Originally Posted by xApster (Post 22209119)

Does anyone know what form of pops are allowed, if any?

I know a few ad agency's seem to think a pop-over when a user clicks on a link should not have any issues, any truth to this?

Originally Posted by maxpower (Post 22210507)

Why does it seem so few sites have been effected? Many of the biggest sites seem to be operating normally, and most have never even been 'reviewed' I have 16 reports or small videos they spent like an hour looking at pages in my site not sure if these are independent reviewers but they are humans.

ether someone at google loves or hates me, but my site is really standard with standard banner placements and numbers as well as standard sponsors. Feel targeted....

Originally Posted by maxpower (Post 22210545)

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 22210539)

From my understanding there's supposed to be a 30 day grace period where webmasters are getting notified that their sites are abusive and they'll have until March 15th to become compliant. At least that's what I was led to believe from what I've read.
WG

Originally Posted by money biz (Post 22210573)

No warnings your page just wont work. Even huge sites like openload are having problems.

https://i.imgur.com/mzzCMsg.png

Originally Posted by maxpower (Post 22210507)

Why does it seem so few sites have been effected? Many of the biggest sites seem to be operating normally, and most have never even been 'reviewed' I have 16 reports or small videos they spent like an hour looking at pages in my site not sure if these are independent reviewers but they are humans.

ether someone at google loves or hates me, but my site is really standard with standard banner placements and numbers as well as standard sponsors. Feel targeted....

Originally Posted by money biz (Post 22210573)

No warnings your page just wont work. Even huge sites like openload are having problems.

https://i.imgur.com/mzzCMsg.png

Originally Posted by money biz (Post 22210573)

No warnings your page just wont work. Even huge sites like openload are having problems.

https://i.imgur.com/mzzCMsg.png

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22210725)

this site is not blocked for ads.
it is blocked because it uses an old and unsecure iframe or form or feed what is able to attack a computer via an xss attack.

this is not new - it is blocked since version 57.

Originally Posted by anexsia (Post 22210541)

Every time I tried using popups from different ad networks I would always catch those freaking fake virus and malware popups coming up with the sirens and shit and I would immediately remove them from my sites. I saw no point in reporting them because more would just slip through the cracks and I didn't want a single visitor of mine to be subject to it.

I personally don't mind popups when I'm visiting a site though as long as they're not crazy or do any shady stuff.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22209657)

you want to see a copy of my my bank account?

why should I prove anything to you ? if you do not even know who i am and what i do it makes no sense - you really seems to live in a lonesome world with no interaction or communication to anyone who is successful in this biz because if not you would not ask me for a prove you would already know who i am.

I think you missunderstand the situation: I GIVE YOU LESSONS FOR FREE - you can take them or not - it is up to you. i either need your opinion nor your approval for anything.

I only like to exchange experiences and let people see that success can be done in different ways. my experiences was leading me to a point where i can be proud and happy - your experiences made you to a half-impoverished angry old man trying to blame others for his own disabilities.

so WHO A FUCK YOU THINK YOU ARE ???
stick your private apocalypses in your ass and enjoy them there but as a cyclist you should not try to give people advice how they can drive a ferrari.
you WAS never a ferrari driver - you are not one and you will never be.
you was only able to survive and make some money in a time when others made millions
already and as the times got harder you was out of the game an unable to jump into a new situation.
and with THIS knowledge you want to give wise advice?

i am so glad that you write on gfy and not in a cardiac surgeon forum to tell them what they do wrong.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22210791)

This is the start of a new trend. Google and other SE earn nothing from directing people to porn sites. So the porn sites that give content away for free are just not worth the work and not worth the problems.

So blocking the ads that fund these sites is a positive thing for SEs. Do that and the business of selling porn will come back to life and even at $400 a solo girl scene to $2,000 a boy-girl scene will be way too expensive for people to buy as free porn. People like Thommy can only afford to pick up bargain basement crap. For his imaginary porn sites.

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 22210533)

I'd love to know this as well, every ad agency seems to be rather calm about these changes. I'm betting a lot of popunder codes will need to be updated.
WG

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22210783)

https://www.similarweb.com/website/t...k.com#overview

https://www.semrush.com/info/https%3...fficfabrik.com

These sites say no. I haven't got the right tools but sure there are people with the right tools who can verify you.

20 million at $5 per 1,000. Isn't a great income. $20,000 before costs.