Probably some rogue programmer fucking with your ffmpeg with his video player.

:1orglaugh

i saw it many times - they even make a video how they are browsing sites and make a screenshot with manual description for the problems they find. it is amazing how much effort they pushed into that.

regarding pops on other browsers: they are not interested to blame that - they want chrome being number one. so they will not block you for opening a pop on another browser than chrome - and if there is one with firefox they will check what happens on chrome and take an eye on it if the pop does not open after the 10th click or so.

we have even some sites APPROVED WITH POPS !!!
but 1. they are not really popunders anymore because they are opening in a tab (what makes them less valuable) and second they do not open on a click in empty spaces.

it seems that they still accept it this way and when they stop to accept it we are prepared to control it for each browser differently.

very good written article what also see the positive aspects (I personally think that there are more positive than negative)

I am just not sure about this statement:

i think IF someone uses this technology it does not have to start automatically (this is exactly what they do not want) and out of that it might be not a very good idea to show this on each video (the users will not be pleased).

but all in all you are reflecting the right thing because most of this problems have been caused from the "i do not care tomorrow-guys" who opened 5 pops instead of 1 and this on each subpage.

quality is now the goal and that can only be good.

Mainstream sites are far worse for annoying ads these days than adult sites. Just try clicking on one of those clickbait "native" ads you see all over the place. They usually take you to you to one of those sites that is 20% content and 80% ads and you have to click through dozens of pages full of ads just to read some stupid story that is really only a couple paragraphs long.



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Thanks thommy, we appreciate that so much!

Oh, without question. That wasn't our intention to pigeonhole it as the only option, sorry if it came across that way. We were just going with the most common example.

You're certainly right about this though and we agree. Thanks for weighing in!

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Good article and useful info.

Two questions - for whoever knows:

1 - Animated ads are ok, just not blinking or flashing elements?

2 - Is the Google review process somehow automated or is it a manual review instigated by a complaint?



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we had some issues with animations and what we are doing is that we want a break of at least 5 seconds on the last frame.

BUT
all what i can see in results right now confirms 40 years of experience i have with advertising.

animations don´t work better.

do a test on yourself an take an animated ad and make a static version from it.
then look on both ads an try to read the text on the one with animation and later try it on the static one. you will mention the difference.

the human eye will always jump to the moving part in the near.
that makes it hard to transport a message.

2nd issue:

when it comes up to mobile traffic make a research on the phrase "gif blocker"
and look at the numbers of downloads these apps have.

what is here always forgotten is that a mobile flatrate is not a mobile flatrate.
it is always data limited. if a user have a contract with, let´s say 10 GB per month and he runs over it, he will have a 512 and in some countries and on some carriers even a 256 k speed.

to prevent this load many users are using gif-blockers.
something what NO antiblock solution can go around because on such a phone a gif will not be downloadet.

3rd issue - again with mobile users:

EVERY smart publisher loads his site asynchron. means that the pagecontent loads first and THEN the ads.

now let´s imagine that your ad is the top ad with a heavy gif animation.
this gif starts to load in the moment as user is already able to scroll.
til it is ready loaded he will be at the bottom of the page already.

CTRs of ads are not dramatically decreasing because these rules are valid FOR ALL !!!!

in the past the gif animation was used to get the attention from the competing banner away. this have NOTHING to do with advertising strategy and it works only when you get the traffic cheap enough to make some sales for accident in the mass.

i think we should not waste our time to try getting around this rules. we should see the advantages in it and they are HUGE !!!

sure - that will change the whole concept because ads are pots and landingpage are taps.
possibly that the old tap will not fit to the new pot - but what shalls? to find that out should be one of the common standard skills of a professional advertiser.
if there is a part of advertisers who does not want to learn that - the other advertisers who KNOW it will be happy to buy this traffic.

and as MORE professional they become as more we all can benefit.

long live jpg, png and textads - these are the tools now and the ones who know HOW to use them will be the winners - no matter if publisher, advertiser or network.

^^^ Good info. Thanks.



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Thank you thommy

Yup exactly. Annoying as fuck!
Ever go to a news site? It takes FOREVER to load.

Mainstream is 10s more annoying than porn.

Blocking ads would be a boost for the porn industry. If you can't workout why think harder.

Locking?

that´s paul´s logic - don´t think about it

Ok. where is a point. today is a 16th feb.
all my popups working, tested few times, I clear cache, remove cdn cache, push down allI don't gett any errors from chrome
looks ok :)

Here is a good guideline:

https://www.betterads.org/standards/

are you talking about popunders or pops what open in a tab ?

if they are still working as a popunder (blank site) it might be just because your was not reviewed yet.
google started it with the big sites first.

if you are able to get a real popunder on chrome 64 and not a tab they call that "abusive". if you see it as tab it is called "disturbing"

i think it will take a while til all sites are really effected and i am pretty sure that they will give the users in one of their coming updates the possibility to report such sites, because it is impossible for them to check the whole web manually.

as dar as i can see it from the sites they have checked form our network - all of them had a global alexa < 50.000 and a country rank <5000

Only beta chrome was updated, official version still version 64.

bingo let's get to work

Get a dev version ( Version 65.0.3325.35 (Official build) dev (64-bits) ) or switch a Chromebook to developer channel, see if it still works for you.

I meant to say blocking. Do think about it.

Before ads ruled the porn industry and brought the price of traffic down to shit. A lot more were able to make money. There has been a slow destruction of the porn industry by ad-funded sites who now use free porn to attract surfers, with the sole purpose of getting them to click on ads.

Imagine a world where that couldn't happen and people were left with nothing but type in traffic. Because type in from a watermark was the only way surfers could buy porn.

Today people don't need anything but Pornhub or some other tube to supply their daily porn. And it's in the bookmarks. The difference between the first way of promoting, Newsgroups, and now is only the numbers online. Imagine billions having to buy porn for $1 a day.

I said think about it.

It's a dream, but any slowing down of the ads based free porn business is a benefit to us all. But a few leeches.

The pirate sites are fucked. All the $$ comes from those fake browser install offers. I dont see how sites like openload will be able to survive.

paul seriously - your problem is that you do not have any overview in that market anymore and you never had a clue how money is made.

you know the internet from a time when only really rich people could afford it and when everybody was believing everything. this was the time when everyone could make money and as we have been much less people this "big" money from few people where shared under few.

when internet became cheaper it also bright another quality of users with less money and in the same time the number of competitors grow (because they heard about easy money). so that was the goldrush effect and nothing else.

the money what is made WITH porn today is MUCH MUCH MORE as it was in the best times (when we made the money with selling porn).

alone in my network are a few big mediabuying companies what are spending MILLIONS every month for buying traffic on porn sites and sell this users very other products than porn.

the real value of a user are not the 0,28% of his budget what he spends for porn (and that was in 1997 the same as it is now) it is his budget as a consumer what is buying all and everything.

you are crying because in the past 50 years around 80% of the cinemas did close - YES - but the money what is made with free TV is 1000 times more as ist was in the time of cinemas.

so start to understand that times have changed. your ideas do not work anymore and there are TONNS of new people in the biz what bring fresh money.
if you talk with the ones who still live in the past you might hear from them that what you think. but if you still would be in the everyday biz and have to do with the new and fresh people you would be astonished about the numbers what are to realize with porn.

i can not say exactly how much more money is in that biz compared to let´s say 2000 but i am pretty shure it is 10-20 times more now.

so your concept would be to change a running and working system to an old and rotten one what will NEVER work again.

i want to pick out this part separately because it is TRUE but not a reflection of the market. it is just a reflection that many many people do not understand advertising.

i was starting with selling traffic first time in 1997 and in this time nobody even knew about CPM. we all got paid by click because it is the big advantage internet have to SEE users reaction.

CPM was born after the good times when in europe dialers died and when the price for having internet dropped so much that the "poors" can come also.

a single click in 1997 was around 0,40 - 0,50 DM (in that time around 0,25 U$)
but with more experiences and poorer users this price was not to hold anymore.
so CPCs dropped and that was the time when they started to introduce CPM in adult.

whenever the price dropped publishers increased the number of ads in a site. that provoked that the number of clicks on each where decreasing and it was nessecary for an advertiser to put more attention on the banner by starting with blinks and fake informations.

if the competitor did not want to lose clicks he had to do the same and this endet in so called "performance marketing" what is nothing else than trying to filter from a very high number of traffic the most relevant out and send them somewhere where the same "statistical group" bought most.

this have NOTHING to do with advertisement and brought even unprofessional ad creators in the game - people who might be able to make a banner with blinki blinki for 3 dollar and producing 1000 of them every month.

when i started trafficfabrik i was aware all this issues and i started against all odds a CPC network like in 1997.

my goal was to find those advertisers what are WILLING to learn the rules of advertising and compete with products and instead of finding just traffic find the RIGHT traffic for their products.
I do not even need a source filter for that because i say that the banner already IS a filter.

and if you do not write "FREE" on it you might get less clicks but those what have a high quality.

when i started that everyone was laughing about me and told me that this is not a product what is "in the time".

in the past 5 years we have been growing EVERY year more than 100% from one year to the next and in 2017 we still made a grow of 168% in compare to 2016.

the CPCs in that time increased also 150% while the prices in CPM dropped more than the half.

the daily budgets in our network are around 10-15 times higher as the traffic we can deliver - but I am still aware to take people on publishers or advertisers site who do not understand my philosophy.
i want to make the LONGTERM money and i give a fuck on the short term.
this is how i survived 21 years in this biz and was ALWAYS on the sunny side.

so you see IT IS POSSIBLE with pure logic !

Funny how you mention how you started in 1997, since your site looks like it was never updated since then :upsidedow

i care the "inner values" and not the outside.

do you know how many world champions in sport disciplines are ugly ?

Not sure is that comparable since you are not "world champion" in category of ad networks.

well i think i have the strongest growth rates of all of them in the last 5 years. and that you do not know that is because i am focused on europe and not on usa.
i am not interested in this market yet and as long there is still growth capacity in the markets what i know best I do not see any need for that.

when a hairdresser have nice hair does not mean that he is a good one because usually someone else cuts his hair.
i do not sell layouts and designs and i will always take care the IMPORTANT THINGS first before i take care the not important.

i.e. if i would spend the last few month in design and not in making sure that we are fine with the new rules - i don´t know if i could say today that not ONE of the over 4000 domains in our network is blocked by chrome.
and THIS is more important for me, for my publishers, and for my advertisers.
just that simple.

I am truly impressed with this tread and the quality information provided. thommy especially stands out here.

I am considering another option just preventing chrome viewers from using the site with a Warring page and easy use icons to open the website in another browser. Banned by Google might be marketable for us, besides we are a grassroots site over 90% of Google traffic comes from our own domain name and we don't buy traffic collected from google or not.

This will never end they will just come up with new rules and strengthen the ones they have. It's up the the larger programs and leaders of this industry to show the way but I will follow.

We also have a Chrome Issue with their translator feature slowing down our page load times, causing user disruption in some GEO's

Wait a minute, it was not supposed to be natively turned on? And block automatically when entering the site in the background?

i truly understand your frustration but your idea is not a good idea.
not you, not me and not the whole porn industry together will stop google doing that - especially because they don´t make money with us.

the majority of the chrome users will also see that as a feature FOR THEM and an additional security. especially smartphone users will have a HUGE decrease in bandwidth usage and that means they will not go to low speed at the 5th day of the month.

on the other hand i can tell you now after this few days already, that this rules are not bad at all. the results i can see and what i hear from my customers are A LOT better as before and that means that the few less clicks (it is really not that much) will be balanced with a higher price.

pops are still doing ok with the rules we made them now and I have already many new ideas to replace an eventual lost with other nice ideas what will be 100% compliant.

I was really expecting a much harder punch. but bow after the first few days i see the curve already going up and i think in less than 2 weeks all we be fine.

there are now tons of new challenges and chances - open your eyes and you will find them. but don´t try to swim against such a powerful river. it is waste of time. i wish you good luck and positive thoughts - they will help you to go along with this issue.

nope it is not.

your domain have to fail the google control first.
than you get a message from them and you have 30 days to resolve the problem and ask for another review.

what chrome blocks by standard are the popunders what thy to go behind the window by using an adobe reader bug.

this kind of popping sites will still open but stay blank.

pops in tabs are still working (in mobile it was always only working with tabs) but the execution of the pop-tab is the problem not the tab itself.

Thank you, I am grateful you guys are on top of this I am sure your right

So now they (google/chrom) have control over every ad no matter of which (if any) ad company is serving it?

Do they have control of over 50% of all Internet ads revenue?

And with one mouse click they can kill 50% of profit to every agency? To every website that live from ads?

And they will never use it against political opponents, right?

Oh, that would explain why I see Google robot in the statistics that simulates a real user.
on some pages even 5-6 times a day.

to make it clear:

chrome64 and higher is NOT an adblocker !!!!

it just blocks domains what failed at the manually check.

a user even see there a message "Ad is blocked - klick here if you want to see all ads on the side"

as far as i understood the site will be unblocked FOR THE USER WHO DOES THAT as long as he does not witch back to block.
a user also can NOT block sites or ads because he don´t like it.

google decides what they think it needs to be blocked and the user can always stop this block for a domain.