2257 Question - GoFuckYourself.com

TheDoc · 04-28-2003, 07:25 AM

I have a few questions...

ref: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2257.html

Under the 2257 law where does it say I have to publish the information online?

Where does it say if you purchase the non-exclusive rights to content that you need all the record information?

Is their no privacy issues posting peoples pictures/name online? Even without an address that is enough information to hunt someone down.

How about plugin content providers?

Just some questions.. I looked over the law and it's pretty simple to understand. From what I gather you don't need any of that shit to put online, just have records of it at your place of business, but not each record of every picture only the correct information of where those records are.

Calvinguy · 04-28-2003, 07:34 AM

And what about free sponsor content?

Rochard · 04-28-2003, 10:16 AM

Could you imagine posting that information on line and letting some creep get a hold of a model's phone number?

Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

AaronM · 04-28-2003, 11:14 AM

This law was written pre-Internet so there is nothing that specifically states about online posting...Therefore, it falls under the bold section below. Nobody is required to publish the actual 2257 documentation online, only the info for the custodian of records.

"Sec. 75.8 Location of the statement.

All books, magazines, and periodicals shall contain the statement
required in Sec. 75.6 or suggested in Sec. 75.7 either on the first page
that appears after the front cover or on the page on which copyright
information appears. In any film or videotape which contains end credits
for the production, direction, distribution, or other activity in
connection with the film or videotape, the statement referred to in
Sec. 75.6 or Sec. 75.7 shall be presented at the end of the end titles
or final credits and shall be displayed for a sufficient duration to be
capable of being read by the average viewer. Any other film or videotape
shall contain the required statement within one minute from the start of
the film or videotape, and before the opening scene, and shall display
the statement for a sufficient duration to be read by the average
viewer. For all other categories not otherwise mentioned in this
section, the statement is to be prominently displayed consistent with
the manner of display required for the aforementioned categories."

Rochard...Quit fueling the fire with your scare tactics. The fact is, MOST amateurs have a "friends" section in their sites and if all of the friends were to conform and have their info posted as well then it would be difficult for anybody to pick who is who out of the list of multiple custodians.

Kel · 04-28-2003, 11:16 AM

Posting any model information online is truley ludicrous. Posting the keeper of the records and where to get ahold of them is really all you have to do. Any other information posted online is voluntary on your part.

Good luck.

-Kel

AaronM · 04-28-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Kel
Posting any model information online is truley ludicrous. Posting the keeper of the records and where to get ahold of them is really all you have to do. Any other information posted online is voluntary on your part.

Good luck.

-Kel

You fucking Oregonians thnik you know everything.

Kel · 04-28-2003, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

You fucking Oregonians thnik you know everything.

Gimme the coordinates of that Yaht. I think I'm gonna sink it.

AaronM · 04-28-2003, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by Calvinguy
And what about free sponsor content?

Well, If you are promoting PIBCash then feel free to link to our 2257 page. Other sponsors should have similar pages for this purpose.

Kel · 04-28-2003, 11:29 AM

....and yes, I know I spelled 'Yacht' wrong. Get off my case already!

AaronM · 04-28-2003, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Kel
....and yes, I know I spelled 'Yacht' wrong. Get off my case already!

Not like I did not typo the word "think" in my above reply.

Shit happens.

LadyMischief · 04-28-2003, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Not like I did not typo the word "think" in my above reply.

Shit happens.

Yeah, and you smell like cheese.

Coy · 04-28-2003, 11:34 AM

mmmmmmmmmmm cheese!

TheDoc · 04-28-2003, 11:37 AM

Posting the info online for the providers is fine.. We would do that anyway just to be safe.

What about the purchase of content (non exclusive) from providers, money programs (free), and so on? Do I need all the information about the models? From what I see I don't.

What about solo models? Can they just put up the basic information and then have them contact the model for more 2257 information?

AaronM · 04-28-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheDoc
Posting the info online for the providers is fine.. We would do that anyway just to be safe.

What about the purchase of content (non exclusive) from providers, money programs (free), and so on? Do I need all the information about the models? From what I see I don't.

What about solo models? Can they just put up the basic information and then have them contact the model for more 2257 information?

No offense bro, but I am tired of discussing this issue on the boards. Please use the search feature and talk to an attorney who is well versed in these laws.

The bottom line is that you need to list a custodian of records for any material that is subject to 2257 and this does include solo content in a lot of cases. Nobody cares if the content is exclusive, free, or shot on Mars.

Considering our personal conversation the other day, I can not stress enough, the importance of you speaking with a qualified attorney.

TheDoc · 04-28-2003, 12:59 PM

I did talk to a lawyer, she asked me to ask on the board then I showed her the board and she started to laugh at some of the answers some people gave on other posts.

So she had me asked questions in the hope that I would get some non smart ass based answeres.

jact · 04-28-2003, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by TheDoc
I did talk to a lawyer, she asked me to ask on the board then I showed her the board and she started to laugh at some of the answers some people gave on other posts.

So she had me asked questions in the hope that I would get some non smart ass based answeres.

Your lawyers legal advice was to ask people on a message board?

Call a real lawyer not a paralegal.

TheDoc · 04-28-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by jact

Your lawyers legal advice was to ask people on a message board? Call a real lawyer not a paralegal.

The lawyer said to ask because the law does not cover about 40 of the different point's made about the law on the board.

Read the law and then you will understand.

jact · 04-28-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by TheDoc

The lawyer said to ask because the law does not cover about 40 of the different point's made about the law on the board.

Read the law and then you will understand.

Have you read all related laws? Have you removed your head from your ass? Read the law? What the fuck? Have you missed my posts on this subject? I've read the law.

TheDoc · 04-28-2003, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by jact

Have you read all related laws? Have you removed your head from your ass? Read the law? What the fuck? Have you missed my posts on this subject? I've read the law.

Yep, and personally, I have no idea if you wrote anything or not on this, and I don't give a fuck. Talking about people with their heads up their own asses, I would think you need to direct that to yourself. Seeming a few posts up I said no way I could keep track of a 9 page post and all of the other posts, would kinda mean I have no fucking clue who you are or what you have posted.

And yet stilll, my question has not been answered.

ownerland · 04-28-2003, 03:11 PM

Basically, any content loaded in your server should be covered by 2257 statement.

Carrie · 04-28-2003, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by TheDoc
And yet stilll, my question has not been answered.

It's not other webmasters' jobs to answer your question - it's your lawyer's job.
If my lawyer told me to go ask someone else, I'd have 2 words for him/her... "You're fired."
Contact one of the industry's well-known lawyers and ask them - they will be familiar with this issue even if your lawyer isn't.

jact · 04-28-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Carrie

It's not other webmasters' jobs to answer your question - it's your lawyer's job.
If my lawyer told me to go ask someone else, I'd have 2 words for him/her... "You're fired."
Contact one of the industry's well-known lawyers and ask them - they will be familiar with this issue even if your lawyer isn't.

Thank you Carrie. I seemed unable to make that point.

AaronM · 04-28-2003, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by jact

Thank you Carrie. I seemed unable to make that point.

Jact...Play nice. TheDoc is a good guy who is trying to do what is right.

TheDoc...I would follow Carrie's advice and seek an attorney who knows these things.

Talk to J.D. Obenberger from xxxlaw.net.

04-28-2003, 07:25 AM	#1
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	2257 Question I have a few questions... ref: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2257.html Under the 2257 law where does it say I have to publish the information online? Where does it say if you purchase the non-exclusive rights to content that you need all the record information? Is their no privacy issues posting peoples pictures/name online? Even without an address that is enough information to hunt someone down. How about plugin content providers? Just some questions.. I looked over the law and it's pretty simple to understand. From what I gather you don't need any of that shit to put online, just have records of it at your place of business, but not each record of every picture only the correct information of where those records are. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

04-28-2003, 10:16 AM	#3
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,226	Could you imagine posting that information on line and letting some creep get a hold of a model's phone number? Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

04-28-2003, 11:14 AM	#4
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	This law was written pre-Internet so there is nothing that specifically states about online posting...Therefore, it falls under the bold section below. Nobody is required to publish the actual 2257 documentation online, only the info for the custodian of records. "Sec. 75.8 Location of the statement. All books, magazines, and periodicals shall contain the statement required in Sec. 75.6 or suggested in Sec. 75.7 either on the first page that appears after the front cover or on the page on which copyright information appears. In any film or videotape which contains end credits for the production, direction, distribution, or other activity in connection with the film or videotape, the statement referred to in Sec. 75.6 or Sec. 75.7 shall be presented at the end of the end titles or final credits and shall be displayed for a sufficient duration to be capable of being read by the average viewer. Any other film or videotape shall contain the required statement within one minute from the start of the film or videotape, and before the opening scene, and shall display the statement for a sufficient duration to be read by the average viewer. For all other categories not otherwise mentioned in this section, the statement is to be prominently displayed consistent with the manner of display required for the aforementioned categories." Rochard...Quit fueling the fire with your scare tactics. The fact is, MOST amateurs have a "friends" section in their sites and if all of the friends were to conform and have their info posted as well then it would be difficult for anybody to pick who is who out of the list of multiple custodians. Last edited by AaronM; 04-28-2003 at 11:18 AM..

04-28-2003, 11:34 AM	#12
Coy Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pensacola Posts: 263	mmmmmmmmmmm cheese! __________________ Sinfulwords.com

04-28-2003, 11:37 AM	#13
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Posting the info online for the providers is fine.. We would do that anyway just to be safe. What about the purchase of content (non exclusive) from providers, money programs (free), and so on? Do I need all the information about the models? From what I see I don't. What about solo models? Can they just put up the basic information and then have them contact the model for more 2257 information? __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

04-28-2003, 07:34 AM	#2
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	And what about free sponsor content?

04-28-2003, 11:16 AM	#5
Kel Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ashland, OR Posts: 591	Posting any model information online is truley ludicrous. Posting the keeper of the records and where to get ahold of them is really all you have to do. Any other information posted online is voluntary on your part. Good luck. -Kel

04-28-2003, 11:29 AM	#9
Kel Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ashland, OR Posts: 591	....and yes, I know I spelled 'Yacht' wrong. Get off my case already!

04-28-2003, 12:59 PM	#15
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I did talk to a lawyer, she asked me to ask on the board then I showed her the board and she started to laugh at some of the answers some people gave on other posts. So she had me asked questions in the hope that I would get some non smart ass based answeres. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

04-28-2003, 03:11 PM	#20
ownerland So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 153	Basically, any content loaded in your server should be covered by 2257 statement.