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Gman.357 · 04-21-2003, 02:42 PM

fiddy?

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Don't bother defending yourself. Take the calculated risk one step further. When an artist has to explain his work, it defeats it's purpose.

I'd rather be dull and boring and accomplish the same result

The initial "rocket launch thread effect" has already taken place. And yes you can use that for the textbooks -- I just coined the term!

"RLTE" (Rocket Launch Thread Effect)

Nysus · 04-21-2003, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

I thought you were wiser than that. You are playing along.

Do you think I worry about somebody getting offended over something so silly? Of COURSE I took a calculated risk in violating personal privacy. You blow it out of proportion like I didn't consider the situation. Why would I ever "leak out" something that shouldn't be "leaked" ? Do you think I am that stupid? Well you may never find out if you do not trust me. But that is your problem, not mine, as obviously you are the inferior mind in this situation.

Oh, yes, I forgot posting in your thread was considered playing along. However, to the next paragraph, part of your logic is flawed and I'm not going to explain. Oh, and threats / empty insults only make you dumb. Dumb means very stupid, if you were wondering.

Cheers,
Matt

Tukhman · 04-21-2003, 02:46 PM

I think what Pete is trying to say is that ease of use of technology/software, etc makes it possible for anybody to start in this or any business for that matter. That makes the bubble start bursting and hence his question if people have space for that many people in their business plan...

Thanks for the plug for AdultCentro, it's getting tuned right now!

Gman.357 · 04-21-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Tukhman
I think what Pete is trying to say is that ease of use of technology/software, etc makes it possible for anybody to start in this or any business for that matter. That makes the bubble start bursting and hence his question if people have space for that many people in their business plan...

Thanks for the plug for AdultCentro, it's getting tuned right now!

DO NOT answer that, Pete. My prediction of 1 BILLION responses must stand.

04-21-2003, 02:53 PM

LOL. What a great thread. I've got to get to work on some pie charts.

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

DO NOT answer that, Pete. My prediction of 1 BILLION responses must stand.

Umm... so how do you suggest we advertise this thread to 1 Billion people?

Gman.357 · 04-21-2003, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Umm... so how do you suggest we advertise this thread to 1 Billion people?

Hmmm... Fly a cargo jet over a few Asian countries and air-drop leaflets with the URL on them? I'll get working on a chart for the statistics of such a mission shortly.

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Hmmm... Fly a cargo jet over a few Asian countries and air-drop leaflets with the URL on them? I'll get working on a chart for the statistics of such a mission shortly.

Sweet! Maybe we can mix those flyers into the ones that the Airforce drops with the propaganda...

like

"America loves you and is here to liberate you PLUS try our 50/50 internet sex program! It's hot!"

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Tukhman
I think what Pete is trying to say is that ease of use of technology/software, etc makes it possible for anybody to start in this or any business for that matter. That makes the bubble start bursting and hence his question if people have space for that many people in their business plan...

See? It's all true. You can turn on the radio now and hear the radio personalities do a whole show on "shareware"...

Would anyone predict that in 1992?! when I was at the Boca Amiga Club getting 5 1/4" floppy disks from MOD musicians to upload to my single node BBS?

Hello, I was Napster back in 1992. Wake up!

Gman.357 · 04-21-2003, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Sweet! Maybe we can mix those flyers into the ones that the Airforce drops with the propaganda...

like

"America loves you and is here to liberate you PLUS try our 50/50 internet sex program! It's hot!"

"Is your dictatorship or communist regime keeping you down? Why not make money like an American infidel? We can show you how!"

Rich · 04-21-2003, 03:11 PM

The Fly you are perhaps the biggest lunatic I've ever met. "Go advertise your business in that thread", lol, you make your living from reffering people to AP don't you? That's sad, I thought you were going to have put Choker out of business by now.

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
The Fly you are perhaps the biggest lunatic I've ever met. "Go advertise your business in that thread", lol, you make your living from reffering people to AP don't you? That's sad, I thought you were going to have put Choker out of business by now.

Thanks man... It's an honor to have you post in one of my threads

As for Choker's biz -- after feeling my way through Internext, Choker's deal didn't interest me much anymore. The big TGP guys were all complaining about him -- other big guns had already mapped out his business plan or already had finished clones of a Choker system (to keep their programmers busy) -- I was able to hack a clone of his whole system in about 2 hours (minus the Paypal stuff) -- and I don't even consider myself a programmer -- I'm an idea person that likes to play around with simple scripts for fun -- so you can see the barrier to entry for Choker's system... Choker can only stay on top of that game if he works his ass off... There's no room for slacking in what he is doing -- because the competition is very technically oriented -- and these guys are excellent at duplicating scripts -- programmers work for peanuts -- and on the other side you are attacked by weakness in the technology... -> hackers

He works hard and it will pay off for him -- I'm just not willing to work that hard. Webmasters just get more technically oriented -- that has been the trend... When I finished highschool, a degree in computer science was RARE -- by the time I was finished with college, the computer science field was completely over-saturated... and that will continue until C programmers work as cheap as Photoshop "artists". As more and more kids leave highschool with a PHD in computer science...

Rotating galleries have little intrinsic value... That's not it. It's just getting the porn to the surfer faster and easier. There will be hundreds more 50/50 programs and hundreds more TGP's and hundreds more gallery rotators and who knows what else... Everyone will be looking for nickles and dimes in this shit eventually except the very hard working people, the people that always have really good ideas, the people that know how to network and skim a % here and there, the guys with really fucking hot models that know how to exploit them, etc... but these people are few and far between as the technological barrier to entry falls... eventually it will balance out as the # of genetically predetermined technologically oriented humans find their place in society -- but that could be 100's of years from now. For now I sit on GFY, listen to my friends, and hang out at the conventions, watch and listen and look to the future for blips in the Matrix.

Choker says, Milk the 50/50 programs AND the TGP's -- I'll just skim a little from each of them and I make money... He takes some small amount of value from the TGP in exchange for making their life easier... And for the 50/50 program he makes advertising easier, at the expense of not doing it more effectively (albiet tediously) themselves... Everyone saves some effort and Choker works his ass off and makes that money fairly... but the guy has to work his ass off -- he can't just hire somebody to run that shit... Look now he has to battle the hitbotters and he's got to recruit programmers and instruct them to have it do this and that... big servers, etc. etc. That's all hard work that I'd rather not do

I don't want to be at the top of something unless it's easy for me to get there AND stay there... too much responsibility otherwise... If Choker is ever big enough he will probably sell the whole thing for a bazillion dollars to lord knows who maybe Satan himself and he can retire when some extremely wealthy person steps in and decides to throw in some middle management and take the company into the next 100 years...

Meanwhile I will be chillin and painting landscapes, jogging, and hanging out with friends, going to my favorite places, playing pool or chess or just talking... essentially living my life as easily as possible, without having to prove to anyone how hard I can work... I work smart, not hard. I use the least amount of effort to do everything in my life -- except for my friends and family when they need it...

But nobody needed my life story... I'll be back later -- going for a walk.

Kimmykim · 04-21-2003, 04:07 PM

Well I'll just admit I didnt bother reading all but the last couple and half the first post in the thread.

I'm surprised tho, normally Pete's promos start out with something along the lines of "so and so didn't pay me for two weeks work..." or other nonsense.

Sad, really.

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Well I'll just admit I didnt bother reading all but the last couple and half the first post in the thread.

I'm surprised tho, normally Pete's promos start out with something along the lines of "so and so didn't pay me for two weeks work..." or other nonsense.

Sad, really.

You think it will die so quick? I'll take that as a personal attack on my abilities.

croif · 04-21-2003, 04:17 PM

Look at the numbers below! They are way too interesting!

opflix · 04-21-2003, 04:57 PM

yeah, tell'em to come on thru & bring ya own beer. what??

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by TheDoc
We won't see that much growth in newbies. People come in and go out every day.

Paysites for newbs are out cause of the registration fees and corporate setups that have to take place.

Free site world is a challenge and with sponsors getting heat from processors, which get heat from VISA, things are going to get even harder.

Newbies may come but they will leave still broken.

Are you suggesting that VISA will crack down on freesites? That is some scary shit...

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 05:26 PM

I think the newbs will still stay in this gig even if they can make $50/month... For some kids in college that's 10 pitchers of beer... and they will continue to saturate it, as long as it's fun and easy...

fnet · 04-21-2003, 05:57 PM

usually your threads aren't quite this nauseatingly empty. it's like homeopathically essenced diet coke

the indigo · 04-21-2003, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

When did you first get online? Consider that first -- then consider how that relates to "newbs" in the porn industry. Then you will figure out the point of this thread and why projects like GFY and Adult Centro are so valuable.

People may move around in this biz but they don't "drop out" entirely. You think they get used and just leave? DO you think that knowledge just falls out of their brain? No. They will always periodically be checking the internet and boards like GFY and systems like AdultCentro for new and profitable and easy opportunities and in the next 10 years -- of course the internet is going to be used over more of the world and it will be more intergrated into daily life, and it will be the foundation of every aspect of human life. Unless we all return to the caves and start drawing on the walls, technology isn't going anywhere. Don't be a dumb ass and think about the short range of your experience in computers -- think of the 10, 20, 30 year changes... These are changes that will happen AGAIN in your lifetime. Do you want to be an old man and say things like "damn I should have invested in Microsoft" OVER AND OVER again for the rest of your life?

Don't make the same mistake twice...

I think you are a retard.

Kimmykim · 04-21-2003, 07:39 PM

"People may move around in this biz but they don't "drop out" entirely. You think they get used and just leave? DO you think that knowledge just falls out of their brain? No. They will always periodically be checking the internet and boards like GFY and systems like AdultCentro for new and profitable and easy opportunities and in the next 10 years "
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Oh geez, now I really am glad I didn't read this thread. I can count on one hand the people that started when I did that are still around and doing well... and on a Texas Instruments Scientific Calculator with all the good functions I might be able to tally up the number of people that have come and gone for good. Not coming back checking boards or shit like that, just gone for good.

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04-21-2003, 02:53 PM	#56
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	LOL. What a great thread. I've got to get to work on some pie charts.

04-21-2003, 03:11 PM	#62
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	The Fly you are perhaps the biggest lunatic I've ever met. "Go advertise your business in that thread", lol, you make your living from reffering people to AP don't you? That's sad, I thought you were going to have put Choker out of business by now.

04-21-2003, 04:07 PM	#64
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Well I'll just admit I didnt bother reading all but the last couple and half the first post in the thread. I'm surprised tho, normally Pete's promos start out with something along the lines of "so and so didn't pay me for two weeks work..." or other nonsense. Sad, really.

04-21-2003, 05:26 PM	#69
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I think the newbs will still stay in this gig even if they can make $50/month... For some kids in college that's 10 pitchers of beer... and they will continue to saturate it, as long as it's fun and easy...

04-21-2003, 07:39 PM	#72
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	"People may move around in this biz but they don't "drop out" entirely. You think they get used and just leave? DO you think that knowledge just falls out of their brain? No. They will always periodically be checking the internet and boards like GFY and systems like AdultCentro for new and profitable and easy opportunities and in the next 10 years " ----------------------------------------- Oh geez, now I really am glad I didn't read this thread. I can count on one hand the people that started when I did that are still around and doing well... and on a Texas Instruments Scientific Calculator with all the good functions I might be able to tally up the number of people that have come and gone for good. Not coming back checking boards or shit like that, just gone for good.