Guy claiming he owns ALL Web Services - GoFuckYourself.com

MrPopup · 04-21-2003, 04:55 PM

Because of out-of-date and stupid patent law this guy is presenting a significant problem to anyone who runs Web services...erm...that would be ALL affiliate programs.

The worst part is, he's now part of a group of lawyers trying to abuse patent laws and rewrite information technology standards.

Your papers will be served soon!

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Uh-Oh. Hold on to Your Wallet. Charlie's Back with More Proof that He Owns the Patent on Web Services
By Maureen O'Gara of LinuxGram

Charlie Northrup, the guy in New Jersey whose prior art on what looks to be Web services dates back to 1994 and appears to trump anybody else's IP, has gotten another patent.

God knows it wasn't easy. The US Office of Patents and Trademarks pored over his application simply forever, comparing it to other like-minded patents. It found nothing that would disallow it, certainly nothing held by any member of W3C, and just granted the patent the other day.

Patent number 6,546,413, which bears the title "Access Method Independent Exchange Using a Communication Primitive," expands on Charlie's key 5,850,518 patent, otherwise known simply as 518, filed when the World Wide Web was just a baby and nobody else was thinking much about Web services. It's the third extension Charlie has gotten. The other ones were patents number 6,397,254 and 6,421,705.

To knock Charlie's patents out of the box, somebody would have to have filed for a Web services-resembling patent in late 1993.

The new patent contains 40 claims that basically cover any service provider providing a service. It also throws users a few curves. Like 518, it is good as of December 12, 1994.

The 518 patent is huge, rife with implications and could theoretically compromise any number of technologies depending on how it's, hum, interpreted. It's all about the automated discovery and connection of Web services though the word "Web" was never used in the filing since the Web didn't exist back then outside of research circles but 518 describes how to connect to a service using TCP/IP so it doesn't matter, it anticipates Web services.

Naturally, it's no fun holding such cards without playing them. So Charlie is setting up an LLC, a limited liability partnership, that the patents will be transferred to. The lawyers should have the LLC up and running, so to speak, in the next few days. Charlie won't have all that much to do with it. It's not his sort of thing. He's going to keep to the technology side. The LLC may involve big-time business types and, of course, lawyers - maybe three firms worth of them eventually.

It'll be up to the LLC to decide what to do with the IP, Charlie says, trying to keep the thing at arm's length. What that appears to mean is that the unnamed LLC will seek to license the stuff, which in turn may come down to suing people it thinks are infringing.

Charlie doesn't like to talk in terms of suing people, but says it may be advantageous to Web services players such as IBM, Microsoft, BEA, Sun and the service providers to have a license. The service providers could be practically anybody but it looks like it may behoove financial institutions and folks trafficking in multimedia - broadcast, audio and video - to check things out.

Charlie suggests that a license might also be helpful in mitigating the liabilities of companies being sued by other companies for some sort of Web services infringement.

The LLC lawyers are starting to work on what are called "claim charts" that track alleged infringement. Licensing terms are still being thrashed out.

Meanwhile, Charlie, who's got a little tiny company called Global Technologies Ltd, is productizing the IP under the code name DASCOA, short for Discovery and Connectivity Oriented Architecture, which is basically what it does using XML.

Charlie says, "DASCOA is like a super-PTSN (Public Telephone Switched Network), but for software. It simplifies the writing of Web services considerably, and does not require SOAP, WSDL or other encumbered specifications" like the stuff the IBM-Microsoft-created WS-I Organization has dreamed up.

Charlie is thinking of tying up with another company more skilled at marketing to get DASCOA to market. Reportedly the spec is written, the software's in the can, and the documentation is written, but needs some cleaning up before productization.

http://www.sys-con.com/linux/articlenews.cfm?id=681

MattO · 04-21-2003, 04:59 PM

Well that's it. I quit.

Jakke PNG · 04-21-2003, 04:59 PM

Fucking retards.
Web patents should not be approved.

foe · 04-21-2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MattO
Well that's it. I quit.

lEricPl · 04-21-2003, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Fucking retards.
Web patents should not be approved.

I agree.

I really hope some company tries fucking with Microsoft so they can save everyone's ass.

Warden · 04-21-2003, 05:10 PM

Can someone cast an evil voodoo curse on this guy?

Scootermuze · 04-21-2003, 05:15 PM

This idiot must hire lawyers that are majorly bored with no clients..

AdultNex · 04-21-2003, 05:21 PM

All your web services are belong to me.

lEricPl · 04-21-2003, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AdultNex
All your web services are belong to me.

So sue me.

http://ealabs.com/webservices.aspx

twistyneck · 04-21-2003, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Fucking retards.
Web patents should not be approved.

Or at the very least, you should have to actually invent something. I could see granting a patent for a new codec or a new kind of broadband or something like that, if there is an actual product behind it, but not simply the idea for one. That is utter bullshit.

Cindyff · 04-21-2003, 05:51 PM

How long have they been fighting over Sex.com? 4 years is it. I doubt this crap will impact us ( webmasters ) for at least 4 more years if it ever dose
Cindyxx

Cassie · 04-21-2003, 06:03 PM

before you know it, someone will try to patent air breathing!

MrPopup · 04-21-2003, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Cassie
before you know it, someone will try to patent air breathing!

excuse me? are you breathing my air?

youll be hearing from my lawyer.

04-21-2003, 04:55 PM	#1
MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	Guy claiming he owns ALL Web Services Because of out-of-date and stupid patent law this guy is presenting a significant problem to anyone who runs Web services...erm...that would be ALL affiliate programs. The worst part is, he's now part of a group of lawyers trying to abuse patent laws and rewrite information technology standards. Your papers will be served soon! ****************************** Uh-Oh. Hold on to Your Wallet. Charlie's Back with More Proof that He Owns the Patent on Web Services By Maureen O'Gara of LinuxGram Charlie Northrup, the guy in New Jersey whose prior art on what looks to be Web services dates back to 1994 and appears to trump anybody else's IP, has gotten another patent. God knows it wasn't easy. The US Office of Patents and Trademarks pored over his application simply forever, comparing it to other like-minded patents. It found nothing that would disallow it, certainly nothing held by any member of W3C, and just granted the patent the other day. Patent number 6,546,413, which bears the title "Access Method Independent Exchange Using a Communication Primitive," expands on Charlie's key 5,850,518 patent, otherwise known simply as 518, filed when the World Wide Web was just a baby and nobody else was thinking much about Web services. It's the third extension Charlie has gotten. The other ones were patents number 6,397,254 and 6,421,705. To knock Charlie's patents out of the box, somebody would have to have filed for a Web services-resembling patent in late 1993. The new patent contains 40 claims that basically cover any service provider providing a service. It also throws users a few curves. Like 518, it is good as of December 12, 1994. The 518 patent is huge, rife with implications and could theoretically compromise any number of technologies depending on how it's, hum, interpreted. It's all about the automated discovery and connection of Web services though the word "Web" was never used in the filing since the Web didn't exist back then outside of research circles but 518 describes how to connect to a service using TCP/IP so it doesn't matter, it anticipates Web services. Naturally, it's no fun holding such cards without playing them. So Charlie is setting up an LLC, a limited liability partnership, that the patents will be transferred to. The lawyers should have the LLC up and running, so to speak, in the next few days. Charlie won't have all that much to do with it. It's not his sort of thing. He's going to keep to the technology side. The LLC may involve big-time business types and, of course, lawyers - maybe three firms worth of them eventually. It'll be up to the LLC to decide what to do with the IP, Charlie says, trying to keep the thing at arm's length. What that appears to mean is that the unnamed LLC will seek to license the stuff, which in turn may come down to suing people it thinks are infringing. Charlie doesn't like to talk in terms of suing people, but says it may be advantageous to Web services players such as IBM, Microsoft, BEA, Sun and the service providers to have a license. The service providers could be practically anybody but it looks like it may behoove financial institutions and folks trafficking in multimedia - broadcast, audio and video - to check things out. Charlie suggests that a license might also be helpful in mitigating the liabilities of companies being sued by other companies for some sort of Web services infringement. The LLC lawyers are starting to work on what are called "claim charts" that track alleged infringement. Licensing terms are still being thrashed out. Meanwhile, Charlie, who's got a little tiny company called Global Technologies Ltd, is productizing the IP under the code name DASCOA, short for Discovery and Connectivity Oriented Architecture, which is basically what it does using XML. Charlie says, "DASCOA is like a super-PTSN (Public Telephone Switched Network), but for software. It simplifies the writing of Web services considerably, and does not require SOAP, WSDL or other encumbered specifications" like the stuff the IBM-Microsoft-created WS-I Organization has dreamed up. Charlie is thinking of tying up with another company more skilled at marketing to get DASCOA to market. Reportedly the spec is written, the software's in the can, and the documentation is written, but needs some cleaning up before productization. http://www.sys-con.com/linux/articlenews.cfm?id=681 __________________ <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" border="1" bgcolor="#008000"><tr><td><font size=3>Gone</font></td></tr></table>

04-21-2003, 04:59 PM	#3
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Fucking retards. Web patents should not be approved. __________________ ..and I'm off.

04-21-2003, 05:10 PM	#6
Warden Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Valencia, CA Posts: 2,906	Can someone cast an evil voodoo curse on this guy? __________________ AIM: ZeeRiddler ICQ: 128160005 Warden's MS

04-21-2003, 06:03 PM	#12
Cassie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 3,139	before you know it, someone will try to patent air breathing! __________________ ICQ: 309756847 ]

04-21-2003, 04:59 PM	#2
MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	Well that's it. I quit.

04-21-2003, 05:15 PM	#7
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	This idiot must hire lawyers that are majorly bored with no clients..

04-21-2003, 05:21 PM	#8
AdultNex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bostonnnn Posts: 8,985	All your web services are belong to me.

04-21-2003, 05:51 PM	#11
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	How long have they been fighting over Sex.com? 4 years is it. I doubt this crap will impact us ( webmasters ) for at least 4 more years if it ever dose Cindyxx