Pre-Pay a NEW Designer? S.O.P.? - GoFuckYourself.com

kmanrox · 04-19-2003, 09:15 AM

i have a designer with an impressive portfolio that i want to do some work for me, he is new to the adult biz, so he doesnt know who I am, I even took the time to give him references of the top guys in the biz and he tells me he can't do it unless I pre-pay....

Am I crazy for thinking he's crazy? He's a newb who nobody knows, and I'm supposed to prepay him? It's only a $225 job, but hey....

Brujah · 04-19-2003, 09:17 AM

If he's really good, for $225.. take the chance.

EscortBiz · 04-19-2003, 09:19 AM

im sure many good designers here would do work for you without you having to prepay!

kmanrox · 04-19-2003, 09:20 AM

hmm, i've worked with Quashe, Hungryman, dg-designs, marian@madthumbs, freelancers, and i have never been asked for prepayment.... i am offended.... am i wrong to be offended?

znoz · 04-19-2003, 09:21 AM

do a 50/50 or demand to see alittle progress to make sure he really is a designer instead of some shithead using others sites in his folio.

- Anders

Ludedude · 04-19-2003, 09:22 AM

Prepay 100%? No. I'd offer to pay half and then the other half on delivery of a final approved product.

Don't be offended; he doesn't know you, you don't know him, why should either one of you feel you're taking a risk? Give him a deposit on the work and you'll both feel better.

znoz · 04-19-2003, 09:24 AM

I think your wrong to be offended, i usally take cash upfront, at my first go on design 3 years ago i got fucked over 5 times or something in a week (was building my folio).

Cindyff · 04-19-2003, 09:25 AM

I agree 50% upfront sound right if they dont like it try someone else
Cindy xx

SothArtist · 04-19-2003, 09:30 AM

I would go with someone else. He is just taking liberties. He can set it up so you can view the final product but not get it till payment. Where as you have no real come back if you pay him up front and he doesn't deliver.

Kristoffer · 04-19-2003, 09:31 AM

I would demand the customer to prepeay no matter who he is

lEricPl · 04-19-2003, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by SothArtist
I would go with someone else. He is just taking liberties. He can set it up so you can view the final product but not get it till payment. Where as you have no real come back if you pay him up front and he doesn't deliver.

So he wastes his time with no guarantee of payment?

Bullshit.

Give him 50%

kmanrox · 04-19-2003, 09:43 AM

i just took the 50/50 advise and made the deal, thx... Quashe is busy on frontends so i needed a backup to do members areas.... thx for the advice... time to get hammered and put on my Jesus PostBot v6.9

Pete · 04-19-2003, 09:44 AM

Fuckem, dont prepay anything. When the job is done to your specs, hand him the cash.

12clicks · 04-19-2003, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by kmanrox
hmm, i've worked with Quashe, Hungryman, dg-designs, marian@madthumbs, freelancers, and i have never been asked for prepayment.... i am offended.... am i wrong to be offended?

dude, you're a malaysian tool. why would you be offended?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-19-2003, 09:45 AM

Hustle em till he does for free like all the other designers...

Sheezuz whats the matter with you guys?

kmanrox · 04-19-2003, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

dude, you're a malaysian tool. why would you be offended?

ive been doing this for too many years to have my credibility questioned, perhaps it's just a big ego, i just cant stand newbs who think they're special...

12clicks · 04-19-2003, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by kmanrox

ive been doing this for too many years to have my credibility questioned, perhaps it's just a big ego, i just cant stand newbs who think they're special...

hire someone else. then he won't be a newb, he'll be gone.

kmanrox · 04-19-2003, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
hire someone else. then he won't be a newb, he'll be gone.

will you make me a members area in MSPaint pls?

SothArtist · 04-19-2003, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by lEricPl

So he wastes his time with no guarantee of payment?

Bullshit.

Give him 50%

Did I say not to do 50/50? I don't think so

znoz · 04-19-2003, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by kmanrox

will you make me a members area in MSPaint pls?

I can make you a members area in photoshop if that will do.. i'll even let you pay me after its done - since its YOU ;)

12clicks · 04-19-2003, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by kmanrox

will you make me a members area in MSPaint pls?

Dude, I use MScrayon but if you want I can

SGS · 04-19-2003, 10:14 AM

If its a guy calling himself Ironhorse he will put together a nice little "client page" for you:

http://www.sexymojo.com/design/clien...rs/index.shtml

but he will still fuck off into the distance with your money 50%/100% upfront whatever...

Ludedude · 04-19-2003, 10:18 AM

Here you go Kman...no charge since you're so special ;)

http://www.iveseenbigger.com/mspaintporn/index2.html

TheViper · 04-19-2003, 10:32 AM

I would ask for a down payment kmanrox

kmanrox · 04-19-2003, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by TheViper
I would ask for a down payment kmanrox

go away, you're the devil

TheViper · 04-19-2003, 10:35 AM

kmanrox · 04-19-2003, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Ludedude
Here you go Kman...no charge since you're so special ;)

http://www.iveseenbigger.com/mspaintporn/index2.html

LoL!!

i wonder if that'd sell

Fletch XXX · 04-19-2003, 10:43 AM

if youre the one asking him for work hes the one callin the shots. Youre looking at his work, and chose him, just pay the guy. You came to HIM for work based on his TALENT, if you value that talent, just pay the guy.

i know when i schedule, its 'who is paying that comes first.'

sounds fair, you already said he doesnt know who YOU are.

Why is he supposed to take a chance?

Id say he's playing the game smart. Give him a break, he doesnt know you or your rep, or the people you sent him to, think about it, you sent him to a bunch of adult references, that doesnt mean shit to him, he doesnt have any idea who or what they are worth.

id say just give the guy 50% man..

Darren · 04-19-2003, 11:17 AM

50 / 50 is normal covers both of ya, surely u know that ?

Ironhorse · 05-05-2003, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SGS
If its a guy calling himself Ironhorse he will put together a nice little "client page" for you:

http://www.sexymojo.com/design/clien...rs/index.shtml

but he will still fuck off into the distance with your money 50%/100% upfront whatever...

In an attempt to clear my name, I have posted a full explanation for my dissappearance in this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=131136

I am currently working things out with the involved parties/clients. It was never my intent to 'run away' with their deposits or leave the work incomplete.

harvey · 05-05-2003, 04:26 PM

it's a common usage in non-adult design to charge 50/50 or 33/33/33 (pre-on sight-on delivery), and really good designers usually ask 100% upfront. Anyway, I don't see where's the problem since you can chargeback what you paid. I'm sure there's not a single designer here that didn't get screwed doing jobs and not being paid. So the only one taking risks here is the designer, therefore, what's the problem in paying upfront, specially for something that you know is good? Is not like you won't pay for it, and I don't know what work do you need, but for 225 bucks... man, when I need something well done, I don't even blink to invest such a little amount, leave it for crappy designers asking thousands of dollars!

NBDesign · 05-05-2003, 04:31 PM

I never take a new client with out 50% down. I do not care who you are. I have had a Chamber of commerce rip me off and someone I thought I was a friend. Unless we have done business in the past... forget it.

I would rather not have the job rather than do all the work and not get paid.

If you like their work, it should not matter if they are new to the adult biz or not. Good is good.

NBDesign · 05-05-2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by harvey
I don't see where's the problem since you can chargeback what you paid.

Not here... Comapny check or money order from new clients only!

MCsteve-matrix · 05-05-2003, 04:49 PM

50% upfront guarantees I start work the other 50% upon completion guarantees i finish.

TheViper · 05-05-2003, 04:56 PM

everything worked out well eh kman

NBDesign · 05-05-2003, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by MCsteve-matrix
50% upfront guarantees I start work the other 50% upon completion guarantees i finish.

This is a better way to put it... thank you!

04-19-2003, 09:15 AM	#1
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	Pre-Pay a NEW Designer? S.O.P.? i have a designer with an impressive portfolio that i want to do some work for me, he is new to the adult biz, so he doesnt know who I am, I even took the time to give him references of the top guys in the biz and he tells me he can't do it unless I pre-pay.... Am I crazy for thinking he's crazy? He's a newb who nobody knows, and I'm supposed to prepay him? It's only a $225 job, but hey.... __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

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kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	hmm, i've worked with Quashe, Hungryman, dg-designs, marian@madthumbs, freelancers, and i have never been asked for prepayment.... i am offended.... am i wrong to be offended? __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

04-19-2003, 09:22 AM	#6
Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	Prepay 100%? No. I'd offer to pay half and then the other half on delivery of a final approved product. Don't be offended; he doesn't know you, you don't know him, why should either one of you feel you're taking a risk? Give him a deposit on the work and you'll both feel better. __________________

04-19-2003, 09:21 AM	#5
znoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 133	do a 50/50 or demand to see alittle progress to make sure he really is a designer instead of some shithead using others sites in his folio. - Anders

04-19-2003, 09:24 AM	#7
znoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 133	I think your wrong to be offended, i usally take cash upfront, at my first go on design 3 years ago i got fucked over 5 times or something in a week (was building my folio).

04-19-2003, 09:25 AM	#8
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	I agree 50% upfront sound right if they dont like it try someone else Cindy xx

04-19-2003, 09:30 AM	#9
SothArtist Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 366	I would go with someone else. He is just taking liberties. He can set it up so you can view the final product but not get it till payment. Where as you have no real come back if you pay him up front and he doesn't deliver.

04-19-2003, 09:31 AM	#10
Kristoffer So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 140	I would demand the customer to prepeay no matter who he is

04-19-2003, 09:43 AM	#12
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	i just took the 50/50 advise and made the deal, thx... Quashe is busy on frontends so i needed a backup to do members areas.... thx for the advice... time to get hammered and put on my Jesus PostBot v6.9 __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

04-19-2003, 09:44 AM	#13
Pete Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Mr. Rogers Neighborhood Posts: 6,617	Fuckem, dont prepay anything. When the job is done to your specs, hand him the cash. __________________ Evoke Electronics

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04-19-2003, 10:14 AM	#22
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	If its a guy calling himself Ironhorse he will put together a nice little "client page" for you: http://www.sexymojo.com/design/clien...rs/index.shtml but he will still fuck off into the distance with your money 50%/100% upfront whatever... __________________ See sig...

04-19-2003, 10:18 AM	#23
Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	Here you go Kman...no charge since you're so special ;) http://www.iveseenbigger.com/mspaintporn/index2.html __________________

04-19-2003, 10:32 AM	#24
TheViper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: the streets. Posts: 2,560	I would ask for a down payment kmanrox

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	if youre the one asking him for work hes the one callin the shots. Youre looking at his work, and chose him, just pay the guy. You came to HIM for work based on his TALENT, if you value that talent, just pay the guy. i know when i schedule, its 'who is paying that comes first.' sounds fair, you already said he doesnt know who YOU are. Why is he supposed to take a chance? Id say he's playing the game smart. Give him a break, he doesnt know you or your rep, or the people you sent him to, think about it, you sent him to a bunch of adult references, that doesnt mean shit to him, he doesnt have any idea who or what they are worth. id say just give the guy 50% man.. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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05-05-2003, 04:26 PM	#31
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	it's a common usage in non-adult design to charge 50/50 or 33/33/33 (pre-on sight-on delivery), and really good designers usually ask 100% upfront. Anyway, I don't see where's the problem since you can chargeback what you paid. I'm sure there's not a single designer here that didn't get screwed doing jobs and not being paid. So the only one taking risks here is the designer, therefore, what's the problem in paying upfront, specially for something that you know is good? Is not like you won't pay for it, and I don't know what work do you need, but for 225 bucks... man, when I need something well done, I don't even blink to invest such a little amount, leave it for crappy designers asking thousands of dollars! __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

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05-05-2003, 04:56 PM	#35
TheViper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: the streets. Posts: 2,560	everything worked out well eh kman