mule

Give up, wonton, theking can't afford it the video

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The President already has the power via the "War Powers Act" to engage our military for up to ninety days without going to Congress. After ninety days the Congress can chop the President off at the knees by refusing funding, and the Congress has exercised this power in the past.

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So what the fuck is your point? The CIA is sinister? Like Duuugh! Who doesn't know that. That rich people control the world? Like Duugh again!

You think Arabs really control the middle east? Its the multinational oil companies running the show. Those towelheads sit in their tents wearing diamond crusted Rolex's drinking tea pretending to be British Aristocracy all day long. Where do you think all their Billions of $ go at the end of the day? You think they manage it? It goes into the major world banking cartels hands.

If everyone knew about all the hidden backdoors in the computer software in your PC that the NSA has covert acces to, everyone would shit their load. Why do you think Microsoft is as big as they are? Matchup the backgrounds of people in key departments
and they all have trails back to Ft. Meade.

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I guess they don't teach history any more.

It shouldn't suprise anyone that there are folks blaming Bush for 9/11 - the Republican/Isolationist crowd in the 1940s claimed Roosevelt "knew about" Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen in much the same way, and there are libraries of books on the dozens of Congressional Hearings, investigations, accusations and counter-accusations, etc. The shitzferbrainsenfuerher crowd likes to use it as proof that the secret Jew Roosevelt manipulated Hitler in to declaring war on him....

Some Republicans and the right-wing tin-foil-hat club blamed Truman and the communists and fellow travellers in the State Department for "losing" China - as if the Nationalist Chinese generals stashing money into offshore bank accounts needed any help getting their asses kicked by Mao from American bureacrats.

There are folks who claim Wilson WANTED the Germans to sink the Lusitania in 1916.

So these goofballs have been around forever.

Still, I have to admit, I sure do wonder what the government is trying to hide. When I found out Bush wanted to name the only man in America who could make the Warren Commission seem truthful to run the investigation into 9/11 - Henry Kissinger - it became obvious that they are hiding something. He's a specialist at it.

wonton

I agree that most people are aware of you write above. But these same masses of people are unaware to the EXTENT that the sinister control extends to and just what these "people" are capabable of.

Many people would acknowledge that the CIA "may have had something to do with Kennedy's assassination" but few people will even consider the possibility that they also had a hand in 9-11.

The time for denial is over. People need to fully wake up otherwise America is in danger of going the way of Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union.

wonton

Newsflash Porndoggy: Even the History Channel aired a documentary about how the US had broken Japanese codes and knew Pearl Harbor was coming.

It is far from just a handful of "goofballs" who understand the true nature of geopolitical strategy.

History repeats itself.

And that Kissinger thing in and of it itself should be enough to signal the American people that something is rotten in the state of Denmark (Shakespeare).

KRL

Again Wonton, we all know this, so what? Do you think anyone is going to change anything? You think you're going to disassemble David Rockefeller's Rolodex anytime soon? You think the NRO is going to stop taking closeup pics of everyone's backyards anytime soon? You think you're going to stop the collusion between the world's intelligence agencies and the world's organized crime families? Its endless limitless power.

Look at JFK. The mob wanted him gone. The military wanted him gone. The FBI wanted him gone. The CIA wanted him gone. Castro wanted him gone. Kruschev wanted him gone. Maybe they all got together for a sunday brunch at the Ravenite Social Club and said fuck yeh lets do this cocky Irish prick.

The whole world is one big conspiracy. Maybe you're really the only one alive and we're all just figments of your imagination.

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wonton

Hahahah. Very good points KRL and very well stated.

To answer your question - no I do not expect that the world will suddenly wake up and change and that is not really necessary. But what can happen is that enough people will ask enough questions to at least PUT SOME BRAKING CONTROL on this runaway rollercoaster that is heading to a police state. People on the whole might still believe that George Bush is their benevolent protector but they might have just enough doubt in their minds to prevent the powers that be from implementing Patriot Act 3, 4 or 5. In the end, if that is all that is achieved, then that is enough.

And your last point is also true. In a metaphysical sense we are all single points of exsitence looking out at a universe of shadow puppets. Reality is essentially a self-created, self-propagating dimensional network.

PornoDoggy

The History Channel has a tendency to portray History Lite ... I am very well aware of the Enigma documents. The information produced by the broken diplomatic codes (not the naval codes, which weren't completely broken unitl much later) DID NOT INDICATE WHERE THE ATTACK WOULD COME. The assumption was that the main attack aginst the United States would fall on the Phillipines.

I think that the goofballs to tend to take information and twist it into meanings that have only the barest connections to reality. Those who theorize that Pearl Harbor was part of some galactic conspiracy fall into that category, as do the people that speculate that the U.S. allowed 9/11 to happen.

Personally, I think that if the government desires to cover something up about 9/11 it's something far more fundamentally stupid and far less sinister and sexy. If I were a betting man, my money would be on the Bushites making some gestures to the Taliban in an effort to persuade them to let us build a pipeline - the energy boys in the adminsitration had expressed interest in that years before they came to power.

IMHO, they made some decisions that took some of our scrutiny away from them - This would have come probably in a way that would have been noticed by a government, but not by us regular folks - moving monitoring assests out of the IO, for example, thus cutting back on the intel available to us. Nasty things were thus allowed to sneak through the cracks.

wonton

The pipeline is central to the 9-11 cover-up. You are on the right track. But at the same time it goes deeper than that, much deeper.

Watch the video. It's really just the tip of the iceberg and it does NOT contain any conspiracy theories. There is no speculation at all on the tape. As mentioned, the presenter is merely pointing out information in the mainstream press and government websites that received very little attention. When it is all strung together the picture become quite clear. No goofballs involved.

tony286

Michael Moore wrote a book about this and is doing a documentary on the subject. Mel Gibsons production company is financing it.

wonton

By the way, if you are interested in Pearl Harbor and what really happened, read Stinnett's excellent book:

Day of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor


Amazon Link



It was not long after the first Japanese bombs fell on the American naval ships at Pearl Harbor that conspiracy theories began to circulate, charging that Franklin Roosevelt and his chief military advisors knew of the impending attack well in advance. Robert Stinnett, who served in the U.S. Navy with distinction during World War II, examines recently declassified American documents and concludes that, far more than merely knowing of the Japanese plan to bomb Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt deliberately steered Japan into war with America.
Stinnett's argument draws on both circumstantial evidence--the fact, for example, that in September 1940 Roosevelt signed into law a measure providing for a two-ocean navy that would number 100 aircraft carriers--and, more importantly, on American governmental documents that offer apparently incontrovertible proof that Roosevelt knowingly sacrificed American lives in order to enter the war on the side of England. Although obviously troubled by his discovery of a systematic plan of deception on the part of the American government, Stinnett does not take deep issue with its outcome. Roosevelt, he writes, faced powerful opposition from isolationist forces, and, against them, the Pearl Harbor attack was "something that had to be endured in order to stop a greater evil--the Nazi invaders in Europe who had begun the Holocaust and were poised to invade England." Sure to excite discussion, Stinnett's book offers what may be the final word on the terrible matter of Pearl Harbor. --Gregory McNamee

From Publishers Weekly
Historians have long debated whether President Roosevelt had advance knowledge of Japan's December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor. Using documents pried loose through the Freedom of Information Act during 17 years of research, Stinnett provides overwhelming evidence that FDR and his top advisers knew that Japanese warships were heading toward Hawaii. The heart of his argument is even more inflammatory: Stinnett argues that FDR, who desired to sway public opinion in support of U.S. entry into... read more

UnseenWorld

Sometimes governments have to refrain from acting on information they possess because acting on it will close up a channel of intelligence. The British government knew about various German attack plans and let them happen because to set up a defense would have alerted the the Nazis and probably would have caused them to plug up intelligence leaks.

I'm sure if you were the President, you and/or your staff would have at least cursory information about dozens if not hundreds of POTENTIAL terror threats against which you could not act for similar reasons, and also for the reason that many of them would be taking place on unfriendly soil (one cannot undertake invasions like that against Iraq on a regular basis). And then, if one of those plots came to fruition, the conspiracy theorists could cry "The President knew about the plot and did nothing."

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you kids are so gullible when it comes to fairytales.

You probably thought the Blair whitch project was factual too.

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At last, now that I agree with you on 100%!

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KRL

Hmmm, ya know Wonton, I just realized Hollywood hasn't made a big movie about 9/11 yet. That's a bit odd. Maybe Harrison Ford is in on it too.

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Lizzie

Connecting the dots of 9/11
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_navbar.htm

Wonton, I don't know if you've read any of this stuff on this site but it is pretty scary

wonton

Yes. I have and am very familiar with all of it.

Another excellent site with old-fashioned investigative journalism (that is sadly lacking in the mainstream press) is:

www.copvcia.com

That is also the site where the 911:Truth and Lies video is sold. On that site are a range of links to other news sources, both "mainstream" and independent that have covered many aspects of 9-11

Massivecock

Wonton you need to see this one

9-11 The Road to Tryanny

http://www.infowars.com/videos.html#tyranny

It is even more powerful
than the 9-11 truth and lies tape bro!

wonton

Yep. Already have it. But I figured that talking about Oklahoma City in this forum would just overwhelm an already skeptical crowd.

I have all of Alex Jones' tapes. They are jewels.

Massivecock

True indeed.

Keep up the Good work.
We have an up-hill battle.

nuclei

That has to be nominated for funniest thing said on here in years.

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Pleasurepays

you guys are truly out of your minds.

what makes you guys any different with your "truth" than say the average Jehovas Witness that beats on my door on Saturday? Or Jim Jones? or Charles Manson? Or Richard Ramirez? What makes you different than the cult that killed themselves because they believed the Hale Bop Comet was actually a space ship coming to take them off the planet? What makes you any different than a serial killer who listened to his dog, or heard voices?

The ironic truth is that there is no difference. Like you, they all "believed". They all saw "the facts". They all knew "the one truth" and they all knew they were fighting an uphill battle and even willing to accept that others "just dont get it".

You all believe what you believe because you twist and turn everything and every event to support your beliefs while selectively ignoring the strong arguments that prove otherwise or at the very least add some balance to what you paint to be a very disturbing world, ran by a secret group of maniacs, bent on world domination.

its not a sign of enlightenment. its a sign of someone in dire need of therapy.

i read your posts and it feels like a promo for Austin Powers 3. i cant help but to wonder which one of you two clowns is really Mini-me?

you guys are no different than someone like Rush Limbaugh who says "you don't have to think because i think for you" - "its all right here folks in black and white" and "here is what that REALLY means"

"the facts" are a little more subjective than some seem to accept them to be. everyone has their own perspective, their own interpretation of events and their own reality based on thier own life experience, own culture, religion and upbringing.

its so pathetic. two goofballs talking about a Secret plan for A New World Order and preaching to the those who just "don't get it". *yawn* - only slightly less entertaining than a 14 year old trying to argue that WWF is real.

when you have stopped questioning yourself and your own views... you are beyond reason.


if anyone wants to be "informed" about people like Massivecock and similar people, i would suggest this link as being much more insightful http://www.rickross.com/sg_alpha.html

Pleasurepays

You guys are beyond lunacy. you continually denounce mainstream media and then quote this stupid, shitty site which exists only to suck money from insecure and paranoid morons?

amazing. everyone else is "sheep" and your are "informed" - presumably due to the clarity of vision that your daily cocktail of anti-depressents and anti-psychotic medication gives you.

how can it be that everyone who presents an opposing view has an "agenda" ... much less a secret agenda... yet this fucking idiot is objective and just trying to do a good deed for all of humanity and you support that? ... is that balanced? objective? i

http://www.infowars.com/videos.html#tyranny

nice videos.... secret plans, secret societies, secret conspiracy theories. .... all supported by loose and sloppy evidence taken out of context or by quoting conflicting media sources which supposedly proves something. all media is a conspiracy and the bulk of the shit you spew is supported ONLY by various reports in that same media.

which is it? lies? or truth? - you guys can't seem to make up your minds and only seem to really be sure when it supports your own twisted view of reality.

amazing that there is all this "concrete proof" and the world seems to be missing it. Clinton could not get a blowjob without it becoming a world wide scandal - but he can secretly take over the world? give me a fucking break.

here is some informative videos from that site. amazing how the world can miss it. the conspiracy is much wider than we all know:

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Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove
Nixon, Eisenhower, and Reagan were members. The Bush Family Maintains a Strong Involvement. Now, for the First Time in History, Alex Jones Brings You Video from His Infiltration of Bohemian Grove. View the Elite Compound and Witness World Leaders Conducting a Bizarre, Occult Ritual, Worshipping a Giant Stone Owl Idol.
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American Gulag: Concentration Camps in America -- by Texe Marrs

Concentration camps in America? Feds set to toss millions of innocent Americans into gruesome factories of torture and death?? Could it be? Sounds preposterous. Yet?in this video, Texe Marrs marshals overwhelming evidence so convincing it boggles the mind.

marzzo

I just saw this tonight. Everybody should.

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Pleasurepays

Good posts...but I am sure you are aware that it really is a waste of time to respond to "fruitcakes"...they live in their own little world. It is my intention to stop responding to the posts of "fruitcakes".

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ADL Colin

George Bush was director of the CIA in 1976-1977.

Saddam's rise to power began about 1960.
Saddam became Vice Chairman of the RCC in 1969.
Saddam became president in 1979.

A long career in the Ba'ath party brought Saddam to power - not clandestine agreements with George Bush.

"Arm him to the teeth?" The US sold SOME weapons to Iraq - a small percentage of what Russia and France sold him. Wanna know who armed him? Let's see. Where do T-62s, T-74's, Mirage F-1s, AK-47s, and Migs come from? Notice there are no American made weapons being used by Saddam? No one has seen or mentioned any American made weapons. No American tanks, no American jets. Not in 1991. Not now. Hmmmmm.

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mule

Don't let theking hear you say that, he'll spam you to death quoting what he'd previously posted on the subject

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ADL Colin

Youc all it a theory. The word as used in the context of "conspiracy theory" is not the same as when used in "theory of relativity". A scientific theory is falsifiable. It should present a test which would prove it false.

"Conspiracy theories" are not really that. They are more like "conspiracy hypotheses". They are very conjectural and usually based on information which cannot be verified one way or another. The hope is that in some distant time, the CIA will finally declassify the related documents and you'll be vindicated after waiting all those years. But hell, you already suspect that once they are all the parts that would have proved you correct will be blackened out with the standard issue CIA black marker.

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Joe Sixpack

Don't you mean when you have stopped questioning the government and the mass media you are beyond reason.

Massivecock

Have you watched those videos?

If not.

Watch them, then comment.

Next.

ADL Colin

I'm being generous. Military uniforms, a handful of commercial helicopters, a few commercial planes
and maybe some computer technology doesn't exactly constitute the "arsenal of democracy".

There are not and never have been any US fighter jets, bombers, attack helicopters, tanks and as far as I am aware of - and given all the evidence that every adult male in Iraq has an AK47 - there are no US small arms in Saddam's arsenal.

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Joe Sixpack

Why haven't they publically released a transcript of the cockpit flight recorder for UA flight 93?

What are they hiding?

theking

You are correct.

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Gunni

Of course it´s the CIA!

Didn´t anyone see Enemy of the State and The Art of War

Hi btw.

I´m Gunni, been lurking for some time here

Joe Sixpack

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Sure you're not from New Zealand?

Gunni

Nope, but my girlfriend is

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ADL Colin

No one should ever stop questioning their government. No one should ever stop questioning the media. Some public officials will lie because people lie. Some public officials will work clandestine deals with other governments.

There is a germ of truth to many conspiracy theories. A conspiracy theory by definition is "an agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act". That people act in such ways is not surprising to anyone. All of us know some excellent examples from history that demonstrate that the world-according-to-Hoyle conspiracy theory does exist.

However, conspiracy theories go from there to absurd very quickly. A rather innocuous connection between a few individuals becomes a sinister connection between many individuals.
Individuals becomes organizations. Organizations become governments. A "senior official at the Pentagon" becomes "the Pentagon". An "ex-CIA operative" becomes "the CIA". 1977 becomes "the 70's". Before you know it, some guy that worked at the Pentagon in 1974 that visited the leader of Pakistan in 1979 becomes a world-wide plot between George Bush (because he was the head of the CIA "in the 70's") and the bin Ladens to monopolize the world oil markets.

By what process does "an interview with an ex-CIA operative" become "The CIA knew about"?

It's six degrees of separation on acid.

Just throw in the word "sinister", "shadowy", or "secret" in with CIA, FBI, or "military-industrial complex" and the recipe is nearly complete. All that's left is a little mind-reading ("George Bush wants to ...") and the conspiracy will show up in the "Alternative" section of the bookstore somewhere in between "The Dummies Guide to Astrology" and a book that begins "The Truth about".

The germ of truth is usually provided by the "mass media" themselves. Think "conspiracy theorists" are the only ones wanting to discredit governments? Reporters love to discover shady deals their governments were involved in. Republicans desire to discredit the Democratic administration before them and vice versa. Republican Senators love to discredit Democratic presidents and vice versa. In light of that, reporters just don't draw the conclusion that Osama bin Laden is George Bush's secret because because Osama's brother owned 21% of a company that George Bush's father stopped to take a pee at in 1968. And you wonder why?

Please, tell me more about how the landing on the moon was faked. I can't wait to hear it.

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Joe Sixpack

How many lies do you think the US government has told to the public over the years?

Including the ones we already know about... Watergate, Iran Contra etc etc...

Gunni

Everyone knows that the landing on the moon was fake, it was produced by MGM!

12clicks

I'm going to read ALL of your posts from now on.

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Did you watch the one with "World Leaders Conducting a Bizarre, Occult Ritual, Worshipping a Giant Stone Owl Idol"? I didn't. Please fill me in.

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ADL Colin

My partner should write a book. Once I start reading his posts, I can't stop.

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ADL Colin

Since you quoted me, what in my post are you responding to?

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Yes.

It shows exactly what the Description says.