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asuna · 04-11-2003, 04:22 PM

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m0rph3us · 04-11-2003, 04:22 PM

IF this rumor is true, I am willing to bet it relates to avs' like adultticket, mogulpass and the other dozen of so called 'free' avs sites that come 'free' only with a 'free 1.68$' trial from babenet or dermurell or free membership with the purchase of a $39.95 membership again via babenet or dermurell.

Rictor · 04-11-2003, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by m0rph3us
IF this rumor is true, I am willing to bet it relates to avs' like adultticket, mogulpass and the other dozen of so called 'free' avs sites that come 'free' only with a 'free 1.68$' trial from babenet or dermurell or free membership with the purchase of a $39.95 membership again via babenet or dermurell.

Well, I've never agreed with that business practice to begin with.

hershie · 04-11-2003, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Not to beat a dead horse, but putting all the eggs in one basket is just asking to take a fall...

Yes, and I imagine if this info. is indeed true, since from reading some of the AVS boards...that there are a serious number of webmasters doing AVS solely, that this could be a massive bomb that just landed in their lap today.

oscer · 04-11-2003, 04:27 PM

I have heard from some people that certian models of AVS programs are Chargeback hell .... Just look over the avs programs out there and think which ones you think would have high charge backs ?

m0rph3us · 04-11-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by oscer
I have heard from some people that certian models of AVS programs are Chargeback hell .... Just look over the avs programs out there and think which ones you think would have high charge backs ?

I agree. It will actually be a good thing if all those 'FREE' avs get shut down (not talking about sexkey that actually is free and offers a truly free trial to their upsell site).

If AVSs like adultcheck are in the line of fire, it's not a good thing.

Fletch XXX · 04-11-2003, 04:32 PM

theyll get rid of tgps before AVS.

those sneaky fucks deserve it. honest avs companies wont suffer. theres no way theyll get ird of AGE VERIFYING sites.
hahaha

hershie · 04-11-2003, 04:35 PM

Someone posted on an AVS board that they heard this same rumour from an iBill Rep today. Yikes.

Shoplifter · 04-11-2003, 04:45 PM

Just got some word that AC Pay is having a big downtime Monday.

Say it ain't so...

Mr.Fiction · 04-11-2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by Shoplifter
Just got some word that AC Pay is having a big downtime Monday.

Say it ain't so...

Probably just a coincidence.

ACPay Mac · 04-11-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Probably just a coincidence.

TOTALLY a coincidence. We're moving some servers around, and processing will not be affected (just a blackout for stats for 4 or 5 hours). I haven't heard anything from VISA about this, either way, fwiw.

Shoplifter · 04-11-2003, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Probably just a coincidence.

Sure but it fits the conspiracy nicely.

Kimmykim · 04-11-2003, 04:54 PM

It would seem -- and possibly rightly so -- that Visa is taking the stand that AVS are unregulated aggregators, meaning that they do not report the urls that they are taking signups from.

The case could also be made that AVS are really no different from regular affiliate programs I think... that their webmasters are doing nothing more than marketing in the same manner that tgp galleries and free sites do and that they simply group the reseller marketing pages together in an easy to return to system...

I would imagine that Visas main concern is that TMF accts can go into the AVS system and hide, while still collecting money same as they used to --

IF, and its a big IF, Visa were to disallow AVS sites to exist any more, then they could collect their $750 from everyone that currently has a premium avs site and then had to get their own processing I guess...

oscer · 04-11-2003, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by m0rph3us

I agree. It will actually be a good thing if all those 'FREE' avs get shut down (not talking about sexkey that actually is free and offers a truly free trial to their upsell site).

If AVSs like adultcheck are in the line of fire, it's not a good thing.

I think adult Checks Model is Solid and wont be going anywhere.. It is better to do it that way anyway as the surfers gets better quality sites that dont make him feel like he has wasted his money ..

Kimmykim · 04-11-2003, 05:09 PM

Quite frankly I'd think the truly free avs have the best chance of staying afloat IF there is going to be a Visa action against avs. After all, they do no transactions so there is nothing that Visa can really say about them. The paysites that the surfer joins on the add on sale are, one would hope, registered and compliant as they should be.

Lensman · 04-11-2003, 05:38 PM

Masturbationman, you're on for that $100 bet. I'm waiting to find out what major processors stop processing AVS sites.

Jak · 04-11-2003, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Quite frankly I'd think the truly free avs have the best chance of staying afloat IF there is going to be a Visa action against avs. After all, they do no transactions so there is nothing that Visa can really say about them. The paysites that the surfer joins on the add on sale are, one would hope, registered and compliant as they should be.

But that still wouldn't do anything to solve the problem of TMF accounts from hiding inside the system. The free AVSs pay out to the webmasters who have sites with them, so those webmasters are still making money, regardless the cost for a surfer to join the umbrella network.

Mutt · 04-11-2003, 06:03 PM

The way VISA is obviously seeing it - the AVS systems are effectively acting as third party processors for AVS and AVS premium site owners.

ALL PRAISE DEMURREL ENTERPRISES! LONG LIVE BABENET!

If anything caused VISA to jump into action them's the ones.

Kimmykim · 04-11-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Lensman
Masturbationman, you're on for that $100 bet. I'm waiting to find out what major processors stop processing AVS sites.

Can I get in on this action too sweetie

oscer · 04-11-2003, 06:31 PM

Well I gotta Say Lens you are pretty confident ... What do you know that we dont ??

Carrie · 04-11-2003, 06:39 PM

$100 isn't confident... $1k would be confident.
Think of the cost of the Xbox system that Lens gives away each week. $100 is just having some fun.

Masturbationman · 04-11-2003, 07:00 PM

Time is a ticking!!!

Masturbation Man

Masturbationmoney.com Coming soon!!!!

Fletch XXX · 04-11-2003, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by Carrie
$100 isn't confident... $1k would be confident.
Think of the cost of the Xbox system that Lens gives away each week. $100 is just having some fun.

every week?

ive never gotten one.

hey Lens buy a brutha an xbox yo.

... · 04-11-2003, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Masturbationman
Time is a ticking!!!

Masturbation Man

Masturbationmoney.com Coming soon!!!!

Many of the links @ Masturbationmoney.com seem to be going to AVS sites.

Is your site still coming soon?

jimmyf · 04-11-2003, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

every week?

ive never gotten one.

hey Lens buy a brutha an xbox yo.

better still buy me one and give it to the Boy's/Girl's club... OK???

psyko514 · 04-11-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

every week?

ive never gotten one.

hey Lens buy a brutha an xbox yo.

he gave me a PS2

Carrie · 04-11-2003, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

every week?

ive never gotten one.

hey Lens buy a brutha an xbox yo.

Well, one of the things *is* an Xbox - the winners don't necessarily choose that...

"How to win: Here is where things get a little complex. But still a great prize. Couple rules here. The thread has to be the longest of the week not counting all of your personal posts, so no sandbagging!!! The time period is Sunday night at midnight. Any thread from the previous week started after Sunday at midnight to the next Sunday at midnight that is the longest wins. You will have the option of a Palm, DVD Player, $200 in content, Playstation 2, an Xbox, or a GameCube. All webmasters outside the US will automatically receive the content. Sorry guys the shipping would kill us! Besides... It's FREE!!!"

Still, ya know what I meant

JohnG · 04-11-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
Mperrins

If masturbationman is mperrins then he's the same guy that posted this at avslounge.com. Over there he said that his iBill rep told him about the avs's going under. Now he has a friend on the inside...

http://avslounge.com/cgi-bin/ubb621/...c;f=1;t=002933

Fletch XXX · 04-11-2003, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie

Well, one of the things *is* an Xbox - the winners don't necessarily choose that...

"How to win: Here is where things get a little complex. But still a great prize. Couple rules here. The thread has to be the longest of the week not counting all of your personal posts, so no sandbagging!!! The time period is Sunday night at midnight. Any thread from the previous week started after Sunday at midnight to the next Sunday at midnight that is the longest wins. You will have the option of a Palm, DVD Player, $200 in content, Playstation 2, an Xbox, or a GameCube. All webmasters outside the US will automatically receive the content. Sorry guys the shipping would kill us! Besides... It's FREE!!!"

Still, ya know what I meant

hahaha

yeah okay.

foreverjason · 04-11-2003, 10:34 PM

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I thought people went blind from masturbating too much?

Obviously you thought wrong, hes still here!

Theo · 04-11-2003, 10:45 PM

the "funny" is that so far everyone was considering avs as a safe business model and according to few the only that will remain....

Kimmykim · 04-11-2003, 10:48 PM

Did they do it yet?

04-11-2003, 10:50 PM

...well?

Techie Media · 04-11-2003, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Masturbationman
Just wanted to know what most of you have heard on this matter. I know of several major AVS sites that will be cut off by most of the major billing companies per VISA at midnight tonight.

Masturbation Man

I will follow Lensmans lead also, but I'll bump it up
.........$200.00 bucks bro says your full of bullhookie!!! and time is ticking away

Theo · 04-11-2003, 10:57 PM

I guess some fo you still remember maxcash's response why they do not allow you to link to join page directly. The hit on avs is not big surprise in reality, the question is what will follow....

Damian_Maxcash · 04-11-2003, 10:57 PM

Its like the Y2K bug all over again!

Will it or wont it.....

I suspect it wont

Kimmykim · 04-11-2003, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightning

I will follow Lensmans lead also, but I'll bump it up
.........$200.00 bucks bro says your full of bullhookie!!! and time is ticking away

Actually Jim it is happening. Not that Visa is specifically saying they have to do it but one of the processors is pulling the plug on them tonite unless something changed in the last 6 hours.

Paul Markham · 04-11-2003, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
Holy crap...is this good or bad? I mean...I make some cash off AVS...but all those AVS members will have to get their porn from somewhere...so it may mean more paysite customers.

It took how many posts to get a sensible one?

This is not the end of the world, it's another golden oppoertunity to make money. The AVS sites are full of people who steal pics and put up lots of crap sites that do us no good what so ever.

If they all disappear what will happen?
The surfer will stop surfing?
The surfer will have to pay for membership?

All that will happen is a few college kids will have to think a little bit deeper on how to get into the porn industry. This industry would be stronger not weaker if we lost the AVS sites.

Techie Media · 04-11-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Actually Jim it is happening. Not that Visa is specifically saying they have to do it but one of the processors is pulling the plug on them tonite unless something changed in the last 6 hours.

For him to win he has 1 hour left pst, actually I'm on est and according to my clock, He has already lost the bet!!! for
"several major AVS sites that will be cut off by most of the major billing companies per VISA at midnight tonight"

Tic Tock, Tic Tock,

Even if it does happen, he lost the by the clock

chupacabra · 04-11-2003, 11:06 PM

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Actually Jim it is happening. Not that Visa is specifically saying they have to do it but one of the processors is pulling the plug on them tonite unless something changed in the last 6 hours.

ouch..! cold-blooded, no notice and on a friday night to boot... any other details kimmy, can you share details on who is effected, are we talking about midnight in cali, one hour from now..?

Damian_Maxcash · 04-11-2003, 11:07 PM

I assume the AVS's in question have known about this for a while

I am sure they will just move to other proccessors

Pay sites do it all the time.... dont they?

90% of my cash comes from AVS..... I bloody hope I am right

Anybody going to name names?

m0rph3us · 04-11-2003, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
I guess some fo you still remember maxcash's response why they do not allow you to link to join page directly. The hit on avs is not big surprise in reality, the question is what will follow....

Why don't they allow it?

twistyneck · 04-11-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by charly
It took how many posts to get a sensible one?

This is not the end of the world, it's another golden oppoertunity to make money. The AVS sites are full of people who steal pics and put up lots of crap sites that do us no good what so ever.

If they all disappear what will happen?
The surfer will stop surfing?
The surfer will have to pay for membership?

All that will happen is a few college kids will have to think a little bit deeper on how to get into the porn industry. This industry would be stronger not weaker if we lost the AVS sites.

This is quite possibly the most ignorant statement I have ever read on this board.

Kimmykim · 04-11-2003, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by chupacabra

ouch..! cold-blooded, no notice and on a friday night to boot... any other details kimmy, can you share details on who is effected, are we talking about midnight in cali, one hour from now..?

I was just surfing thru a couple that I was aware of and noticed that with one exception they've changed processing setups.

KCat · 04-11-2003, 11:21 PM

If regulating the webmasters is the issue here, I don't understand why Visa just wouldn't demand the registration of every AVS webmaster & collect their $750.

How would shutting them down benefit Visa? The AVSs already have our names, addresses etc. It wouldn't be hard to just make them charge us the fee like the 3rd party billers did.

(just made a sale while I was typing this btw.

)

Theo · 04-11-2003, 11:21 PM

because you can link any type of content you want directly to sponsors join page (illegal and not) and charge the surfer promising the content. The sponsor cannot have control on this. That's pretty much the same with the avs model. AVS sites are getting reviewed of course. Now we have the following cases: some of them will give you credit for the signups generated before your site got approved. The possibility for the webmaster to change the page anytime he wants and put anything up is still open. Additionaly, as KK said AVS do not report their urls in VISA...

Paul Markham · 04-11-2003, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by twistyneck

This is quite possibly the most ignorant statement I have ever read on this board.

So why is it so bad?

The AVS sites do not have lots of stolen content in?
It is not the easiest way into the market for those of little talent?
Surfers will stop surfing because of the demise of the AVS model?

There are some good creditable guys making a buck in the AVS system, but the majority is poor at best. This reflects badly on us as an industry.

I keep saying this.
"The only thing thing that will hurt this industry is if the surfer stops looking at porn"
Not much chance of that happening.

m0rph3us · 04-11-2003, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

I was just surfing thru a couple that I was aware of and noticed that with one exception they've changed processing setups.

I see a lot changed their names to ACCESS VERIFICATION SYSTEMS rather then adult verification or age verification

Kimmykim · 04-11-2003, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by m0rph3us

I see a lot changed their names to ACCESS VERIFICATION SYSTEMS rather then adult verification or age verification

I don't think it matters what they call themselves. At the end of the day Visa wants to see where the sales are coming from and under the current system they do not see that.

I'd bet that the processors who are continuing with AVS are working on plans for Visa right now, detailing how they can work with the AVS's to facilitate what Visa wants -- it should be a simple system since the AVS's already know what urls are sending them traffic, since they collect them upon submission by the webmasters.

The only place I can see a hitch is that it makes it impossible for Visa to approve or disapprove those urls prior to sales being made on them and would be a hell of a lot of work to police on Visa's part.

stocktrader23 · 04-11-2003, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by charly
So why is it so bad?

The AVS sites do not have lots of stolen content in?
It is not the easiest way into the market for those of little talent?
Surfers will stop surfing because of the demise of the AVS model?

There are some good creditable guys making a buck in the AVS system, but the majority is poor at best. This reflects badly on us as an industry.

I keep saying this.
"The only thing thing that will hurt this industry is if the surfer stops looking at porn"
Not much chance of that happening.

Haha, he must be made because avs pays for his lunch or something.

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04-11-2003, 04:27 PM	#55
oscer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Baltimore Posts: 2,834	I have heard from some people that certian models of AVS programs are Chargeback hell .... Just look over the avs programs out there and think which ones you think would have high charge backs ? __________________ XR Networks Dedicated \| VPS \| Shared Hosting ICQ 42602565

04-11-2003, 04:32 PM	#57
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04-11-2003, 06:03 PM	#68
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	The way VISA is obviously seeing it - the AVS systems are effectively acting as third party processors for AVS and AVS premium site owners. ALL PRAISE DEMURREL ENTERPRISES! LONG LIVE BABENET! If anything caused VISA to jump into action them's the ones. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

04-11-2003, 06:31 PM	#70
oscer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Baltimore Posts: 2,834	Well I gotta Say Lens you are pretty confident ... What do you know that we dont ?? __________________ XR Networks Dedicated \| VPS \| Shared Hosting ICQ 42602565

04-11-2003, 04:22 PM	#52
m0rph3us Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Principality of Sealand Posts: 2,033	IF this rumor is true, I am willing to bet it relates to avs' like adultticket, mogulpass and the other dozen of so called 'free' avs sites that come 'free' only with a 'free 1.68$' trial from babenet or dermurell or free membership with the purchase of a $39.95 membership again via babenet or dermurell.

04-11-2003, 04:35 PM	#58
hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	Someone posted on an AVS board that they heard this same rumour from an iBill Rep today. Yikes.

04-11-2003, 04:45 PM	#59
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,727	Just got some word that AC Pay is having a big downtime Monday. Say it ain't so...

04-11-2003, 04:54 PM	#63
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	It would seem -- and possibly rightly so -- that Visa is taking the stand that AVS are unregulated aggregators, meaning that they do not report the urls that they are taking signups from. The case could also be made that AVS are really no different from regular affiliate programs I think... that their webmasters are doing nothing more than marketing in the same manner that tgp galleries and free sites do and that they simply group the reseller marketing pages together in an easy to return to system... I would imagine that Visas main concern is that TMF accts can go into the AVS system and hide, while still collecting money same as they used to -- IF, and its a big IF, Visa were to disallow AVS sites to exist any more, then they could collect their $750 from everyone that currently has a premium avs site and then had to get their own processing I guess...

04-11-2003, 05:09 PM	#65
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Quite frankly I'd think the truly free avs have the best chance of staying afloat IF there is going to be a Visa action against avs. After all, they do no transactions so there is nothing that Visa can really say about them. The paysites that the surfer joins on the add on sale are, one would hope, registered and compliant as they should be.

04-11-2003, 05:38 PM	#66
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	Masturbationman, you're on for that $100 bet. I'm waiting to find out what major processors stop processing AVS sites.

04-11-2003, 06:39 PM	#71
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	$100 isn't confident... $1k would be confident. Think of the cost of the Xbox system that Lens gives away each week. $100 is just having some fun.

04-11-2003, 07:00 PM	#72
Masturbationman Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 283	Time is a ticking!!! Masturbation Man Masturbationmoney.com Coming soon!!!!

04-11-2003, 10:45 PM	#81
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	the "funny" is that so far everyone was considering avs as a safe business model and according to few the only that will remain....

04-11-2003, 10:48 PM	#82
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Did they do it yet?

04-11-2003, 10:57 PM	#85
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	I guess some fo you still remember maxcash's response why they do not allow you to link to join page directly. The hit on avs is not big surprise in reality, the question is what will follow....

04-11-2003, 10:57 PM	#86
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	Its like the Y2K bug all over again! Will it or wont it..... I suspect it wont

04-11-2003, 11:07 PM	#91
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	I assume the AVS's in question have known about this for a while I am sure they will just move to other proccessors Pay sites do it all the time.... dont they? 90% of my cash comes from AVS..... I bloody hope I am right Anybody going to name names?

04-11-2003, 11:21 PM	#95
KCat Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PNW Posts: 2,204	If regulating the webmasters is the issue here, I don't understand why Visa just wouldn't demand the registration of every AVS webmaster & collect their $750. How would shutting them down benefit Visa? The AVSs already have our names, addresses etc. It wouldn't be hard to just make them charge us the fee like the 3rd party billers did. (just made a sale while I was typing this btw. ) __________________ ~ 300+ FHGs, 100,000 pics to use plus a rockin' Video of the Day download! ~