Presidential polls are being rigged - GoFuckYourself.com

onwebcam · 08-08-2016, 08:22 AM

And a great example of that occurred right here on GFY. Bladewire and I were going back and forth about the polls in this thread at the end of the conventions. Up until and during the conventions the results from political ticker fell pretty much in line with everywhere else. But just after the conventions I noticed something strange. Political ticker removed some of the demographic break downs they had just the day before. Within a matter of hours the statistics leaned towards Clinton dramatically. I'm talking 70-80 percentage point changes. So much so they didn't match any other polls or polling statistic sites around even close.

If you look at the site now it's still that way. I've been visiting the site every day to see if they corrected their "glitch" but they haven't. I've even seen the site be redirected to a sedo page since then. So they actually even considered taking the site down because they can't make their new formula work with the real world. Well today I run across this article where a reporter is questioning someone at 538 which runs Political Ticker about their polls and sure enough the owner Nate Silver is a liberal who was freaking out about Hillary's polling numbers so he "changed the model" in her favor.

RealTrueNews: "Is it fair to say that Silver is worried?"

538 Source: "In a panic. Our business model is predicated on making liberals feel better about the election. Right now? It's a disaster."

RTN: "So what are you doing?"

538: "Well, we're changing the model for starters. There were a few hours when the server was showing the real projections and while traffic was pretty high, let me tell you, it was a melt-down politically."

RTN: "What do you mean?"

538: "Well, Nate's a liberal. No secret there. When he saw what was happening he flipped out. Had us look for bugs--something gone wrong--looking at the feeds. Of course nothing was wrong. Nothing had changed. Then he got on the phone with his people embedded with Q-Pac and Survey Monkey and PPP and all those guys--"

RTN: "Wait--embedded?"

538: "Huh? Oh, yeah--it's a big social club. The pollsters all work together. We have a Slack-room that's sharing all kinds of results and skews and all that. That's how we keep it all orderly."

RTN: "Orderly?"

538: "Sure--what? You think it's . . . random? Come on. Who do you think pays for the polls? People who want results. You're buying media. It's like ads or . . . I don't know. Like newspaper stories? You pay 30k for a poll of Florida, it says what you want."

RTN: "But what about on election day?"

538: "Oh--we drive it. You set the expectations ahead of time. It's called pre-loading. You'd be surprised how we can fine-tune things. Mass belief is powerful. The problem here is (a) not everyone plays nice. Fox is rogue. Rasumssen was . . . bad. They were doing real polling. Also, there's like a game of chicken. At the start of the cycle we do real polling so that everyone knows how they better buy in. This time . . . Trump just caught us by surprise. The impact was so big--it came on so fast--Hillary just collapsed."

RTN: "What--what happens next?"

538: "I don't know, man. There are a bunch of smaller groups out there doing real polls. I don't know if anyone can keep this under wraps. They had to talk Silver off the edge of the building yesterday. It was bad."

RTN: "He was literally going to throw himself out a window?"

538: "Yeah--he was--well, but we're on the second floor. He was just really pissed. I mean, he got a call from the White House telling him to fix it and shit."

RTN: "Wow."

538: "Wow is right."

realtruenews

Barry-xlovecam · 08-08-2016, 08:47 AM

But when Trump is ahead they are 'word'

SuckOnThis · 08-08-2016, 08:54 AM

The only thing that's rigged is Trumps hair.

Mediamix · 08-08-2016, 08:59 AM

Yanks_Todd · 08-08-2016, 09:05 AM

So Nate Silver is going for 3 months of liberal traffic at which point he will be proven catastrophically wrong and essentially ruin his reputation and site. Sounds legit.

onwebcam · 08-08-2016, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

But when Trump is ahead they are 'word'

As I said everything was in line up until 1 day after DNC. Trump was only ahead for a week and then the stats went crazy changing 70-80% points. When the reality is Hillary only gained at most 10 points depending on where you looked. Now her gain has dropped back down to around 3.

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

So Nate Silver is going for 3 months of liberal traffic at which point he will be proven catastrophically wrong and essentially ruin his reputation and site. Sounds legit.

He doesn't care about the site so much so it was parked at sedo 2 days ago.

bronco67 · 08-08-2016, 09:13 AM

OMG you fucking idiots stop reading those conservative sludge tanks.

onwebcam · 08-08-2016, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

OMG you fucking idiots stop reading those conservative sludge tanks.

I didn't have to read I saw and can see it with my own eyes.. You can too if you just open them up.. I was quoting the stats here on GFY and look at them now... They don't compare to anywhere else.

Clinton's lead over Trump narrows to less than three points: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters

SuckOnThis · 08-08-2016, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Clinton's lead over Trump narrows to less than three points: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters

CNN Poll of Polls: Clinton tops Trump by 10

Fox News Poll: Clinton leads Trump by 10 points

onwebcam · 08-08-2016, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

CNN Poll of Polls: Clinton tops Trump by 10

Fox News Poll: Clinton leads Trump by 10 points

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

As I said everything was in line up until 1 day after DNC. Trump was only ahead for a week and then the stats went crazy changing 70-80% points. When the reality is Hillary only gained at most 10 points depending on where you looked. Now her gain has dropped back down to around 3.

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bronco67 · 08-08-2016, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

I didn't have to read I saw and can see it with my own eyes.. You can too if you just open them up.. I was quoting the stats here on GFY and look at them now... They don't compare to anywhere else.

Clinton's lead over Trump narrows to less than three points: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters

The first place you should start when disseminating your shitty information is to wonder if that conversation about Nate Silver ever actually took place. How can you trust any information on a rag website with like that?

That's the problem with you idiots. You seek out confirmation bias by devouring any trash right wing "journalist" write. They do this because no will ever fact check them, and the morons who prowl those sites for information eat it up and ask for seconds. By the way, you're the moron I'm talking about.

onwebcam · 08-08-2016, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

The first place you should start when disseminating your shitty information is to wonder if that conversation about Nate Silver ever actually took place. How can you trust any information on a rag website with like that?

That's the problem with you idiots. You seek out confirmation bias by devouring any trash right wing "journalist" write. They do this because no will ever fact check them, and the morons who prowl those sites for information eat it up and ask for seconds. By the way, you're the moron I'm talking about.

You don't fucking get it do you? I don't need confirmation for something that is right before my (and your) eyes... I knew something was up. Especially when I saw the site being redirected to sedo.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-08-2016, 09:33 AM

Never underestimate the average US voter -- GW Bush got elected twice.

How did that work out?

onwebcam · 08-08-2016, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Never underestimate the average US voter -- GW Bush got elected twice.

How did that work out?

You seem to think I liked bush. Obviously you've never seen my profile on here from the Bush era.

C H R I S · 08-08-2016, 09:51 AM

LOL..... system is rigged , sky is falling.....

Lets see who wins, then you can really start whining.

CaptainHowdy · 08-08-2016, 10:02 AM

Everything is rigged so ...

flashfire · 08-08-2016, 10:53 AM

Clinton is leading in every demo except white people without college plus education

that tells you everything you need to know

and FYI I don't think Clinton is great either...Republicans could have won with almost anyone else

rogueteens · 08-08-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

The first place you should start when disseminating your shitty information is to wonder if that conversation about Nate Silver ever actually took place. How can you trust any information on a rag website with like that?

That's the problem with you idiots. You seek out confirmation bias by devouring any trash right wing "journalist" write. They do this because no will ever fact check them, and the morons who prowl those sites for information eat it up and ask for seconds. By the way, you're the moron I'm talking about.

and the left wing check their facts at the huffington post!

Bladewire · 08-08-2016, 11:10 AM

It's all rigged until your candidate is ahead

onwebcam · 08-08-2016, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by flashfire

Clinton is leading in every demo except white people without college plus education

that tells you everything you need to know

and FYI I don't think Clinton is great either...Republicans could have won with almost anyone else

Not judging by my facebook fiends. Seems mostly college plus including teachers, a lawyer, a dentist and a couple of engineers are going trump. I know 2 teachers both who were for Bernie that are now siding with Trump. 1 Vanderbilt graduate Engineer that's retired from DOT, Trump. A Lawyer that was for Bernie, now Trump. Hell even my black female dentist was bashing Hillary last week. In fact the only few people I see pushing Hillary are drop-out white people most of whom think they are black (white girls dating black guys and/or apologists) and of course the black friends except a couple of upperclass that are swinging towards Trump because they don't like Hillary.. The even wiser ones are for Johnson..

Bladewire · 08-08-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

In fact the only few people I see pushing Hillary are drop-out white people most of whom think they are black (white girls dating black guys and/or apologists) and of course the black friends

Oh ok that makes sense. Only black people and whites in relations with blacks or whites with white guilt support Hillary Clinton.

What a unique outlook. All revolving around blacks.

onwebcam · 08-08-2016, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Oh ok that makes sense. Only black people and whites in relations with blacks or whites with white guilt support Hillary Clinton.

What a unique outlook. All revolving around blacks.

Can't help but tell the truth.. That's what it is. In fact the two biggest Hillary supporters in my feed is a white girl with a mixed child who has only dated (obviously never married) black guys as long as I've known her and a white guy who really does think he's black. Strange part is they both came from a little country town, in fact the poorest county in TN, and they likely never even saw a black person until they left school and that town. Both are drop-outs btw as well as brother and sister.

JFK · 08-08-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Everything is rigged so ...

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Coup · 08-08-2016, 03:09 PM

How much is (((soros))) paying you to post this, (((OP)))?

Bladewire · 08-08-2016, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Can't help but tell the truth.. That's what it is. In fact the two biggest Hillary supporters in my feed is a white girl with a mixed child who has only dated (obviously never married) black guys as long as I've known her and a white guy who really does think he's black. Strange part is they both came from a little country town, in fact the poorest county in TN, and they likely never even saw a black person until they left school and that town. Both are drop-outs btw as well as brother and sister.

But you're not telling the truth.

You're spreading misinformation out of desperation to support Trump.

You have a black issue, clearly

nico-t · 08-08-2016, 03:27 PM

ofcourse its rigged. It's all out war against Trump in the media. It's all bullshit, just to sway the public opinion. Polls are of course a big part of the agenda.

Remember Brexit? Betting played a huge part in the propaganda of the 'Remain' side (the same establishment that is pro Clinton) because betting is huge in the UK.
So they pumped about 80 million pounds in biggest betting site Betfair on 'Remain', rigging the odds for Leave 10 to 1. Which led to alot of people believing actual people bet on Remain, that's why the vote for 'Leave' came as a surprise. Pure propaganda, which luckily failed in the end.

These same powers are at work now for the presidential race. It's all complete bullshit, you can't trust anything anymore - news, polls, etc. You can bet on it that the real numbers are still at least 50/50.

Bladewire · 08-08-2016, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

Remember Brexit? Betting played a huge part in the propaganda of the 'Remain' side (the same establishment that is pro Clinton) because betting is huge in the UK.

onwebcam · 08-12-2016, 07:40 PM

Appears someone else is now in control of the domain name POLITICAL TICKER: Presidential Election 2016 Real-Time Forecast (Live Updates) || PoliticalTicker.com there must have been some falling out over at 538 and whoever had control of the name has switched sides and/or isn't down with the fixing.....

onwebcam · 08-13-2016, 04:28 PM

Another poll rigging exposure this time abc news. You can visit the link to see it for youself. Without voting you see Hillary as the winner. If you do vote Hillary is not only losing to Trump but Jill Stein as well.

plaster · 08-13-2016, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

But you're not telling the truth.

You're spreading misinformation out of desperation to support Trump.

You have a black issue, clearly

The truth is being told. It is you, squirt, telling the lies.

Coup · 08-13-2016, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Appears someone else is now in control of the domain name POLITICAL TICKER: Presidential Election 2016 Real-Time Forecast (Live Updates) || PoliticalTicker.com there must have been some falling out over at 538 and whoever had control of the name has switched sides and/or isn't down with the fixing.....

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Another poll rigging exposure this time abc news. You can visit the link to see it for youself. Without voting you see Hillary as the winner. If you do vote Hillary is not only losing to Trump but Jill Stein as well.

LMAO.

Relic · 08-13-2016, 06:42 PM

NKYKev · 08-13-2016, 06:42 PM

Nate Silver of 538 Gives Trump 2% chance of being Republican Nominee
2% Chance

Nate Silver on how he screwed up on Trump
Oops

How 538 readjusted polls after the fact to benefit Clinton
Polls being readjusted

As for arguing about polls, how about the recent accuracy of polling. Brexit was losing in all the major polls before the election, and we saw how that turned out. How many state primaries did not follow the polls just this year? Last year the Democrat candidate for Governor of KY led in every mainstream poll by 5% or more right up until the election, but lost by over 9% - meaning every single mainstream poll in that state was wrong by at least 14% or more. And yet you guys want to keep arguing over polls?

flashfire · 08-14-2016, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Not judging by my facebook fiends. Seems mostly college plus including teachers, a lawyer, a dentist and a couple of engineers are going trump. I know 2 teachers both who were for Bernie that are now siding with Trump. 1 Vanderbilt graduate Engineer that's retired from DOT, Trump. A Lawyer that was for Bernie, now Trump. Hell even my black female dentist was bashing Hillary last week. In fact the only few people I see pushing Hillary are drop-out white people most of whom think they are black (white girls dating black guys and/or apologists) and of course the black friends except a couple of upperclass that are swinging towards Trump because they don't like Hillary.. The even wiser ones are for Johnson..

every major poll VS. some random guys facebook friends

come on now lets get real here...Trumps campaign is built on a foundation of uneducated white men

flashfire · 08-14-2016, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Relic

looks legit lol

08-08-2016, 08:22 AM	#1
onwebcam Fake Nick 1.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rent free, your head Posts: 27,655	Presidential polls are being rigged And a great example of that occurred right here on GFY. Bladewire and I were going back and forth about the polls in this thread at the end of the conventions. Up until and during the conventions the results from political ticker fell pretty much in line with everywhere else. But just after the conventions I noticed something strange. Political ticker removed some of the demographic break downs they had just the day before. Within a matter of hours the statistics leaned towards Clinton dramatically. I'm talking 70-80 percentage point changes. So much so they didn't match any other polls or polling statistic sites around even close. If you look at the site now it's still that way. I've been visiting the site every day to see if they corrected their "glitch" but they haven't. I've even seen the site be redirected to a sedo page since then. So they actually even considered taking the site down because they can't make their new formula work with the real world. Well today I run across this article where a reporter is questioning someone at 538 which runs Political Ticker about their polls and sure enough the owner Nate Silver is a liberal who was freaking out about Hillary's polling numbers so he "changed the model" in her favor. RealTrueNews: "Is it fair to say that Silver is worried?" 538 Source: "In a panic. Our business model is predicated on making liberals feel better about the election. Right now? It's a disaster." RTN: "So what are you doing?" 538: "Well, we're changing the model for starters. There were a few hours when the server was showing the real projections and while traffic was pretty high, let me tell you, it was a melt-down politically." RTN: "What do you mean?" 538: "Well, Nate's a liberal. No secret there. When he saw what was happening he flipped out. Had us look for bugs--something gone wrong--looking at the feeds. Of course nothing was wrong. Nothing had changed. Then he got on the phone with his people embedded with Q-Pac and Survey Monkey and PPP and all those guys--" RTN: "Wait--embedded?" 538: "Huh? Oh, yeah--it's a big social club. The pollsters all work together. We have a Slack-room that's sharing all kinds of results and skews and all that. That's how we keep it all orderly." RTN: "Orderly?" 538: "Sure--what? You think it's . . . random? Come on. Who do you think pays for the polls? People who want results. You're buying media. It's like ads or . . . I don't know. Like newspaper stories? You pay 30k for a poll of Florida, it says what you want." RTN: "But what about on election day?" 538: "Oh--we drive it. You set the expectations ahead of time. It's called pre-loading. You'd be surprised how we can fine-tune things. Mass belief is powerful. The problem here is (a) not everyone plays nice. Fox is rogue. Rasumssen was . . . bad. They were doing real polling. Also, there's like a game of chicken. At the start of the cycle we do real polling so that everyone knows how they better buy in. This time . . . Trump just caught us by surprise. The impact was so big--it came on so fast--Hillary just collapsed." RTN: "What--what happens next?" 538: "I don't know, man. There are a bunch of smaller groups out there doing real polls. I don't know if anyone can keep this under wraps. They had to talk Silver off the edge of the building yesterday. It was bad." RTN: "He was literally going to throw himself out a window?" 538: "Yeah--he was--well, but we're on the second floor. He was just really pissed. I mean, he got a call from the White House telling him to fix it and shit." RTN: "Wow." 538: "Wow is right." realtruenews

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Never underestimate the average US voter -- GW Bush got elected twice. How did that work out?

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flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	Clinton is leading in every demo except white people without college plus education that tells you everything you need to know and FYI I don't think Clinton is great either...Republicans could have won with almost anyone else

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08-08-2016, 03:27 PM	#26
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	ofcourse its rigged. It's all out war against Trump in the media. It's all bullshit, just to sway the public opinion. Polls are of course a big part of the agenda. Remember Brexit? Betting played a huge part in the propaganda of the 'Remain' side (the same establishment that is pro Clinton) because betting is huge in the UK. So they pumped about 80 million pounds in biggest betting site Betfair on 'Remain', rigging the odds for Leave 10 to 1. Which led to alot of people believing actual people bet on Remain, that's why the vote for 'Leave' came as a surprise. Pure propaganda, which luckily failed in the end. These same powers are at work now for the presidential race. It's all complete bullshit, you can't trust anything anymore - news, polls, etc. You can bet on it that the real numbers are still at least 50/50.

08-12-2016, 07:40 PM	#28
onwebcam Fake Nick 1.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rent free, your head Posts: 27,655	Appears someone else is now in control of the domain name POLITICAL TICKER: Presidential Election 2016 Real-Time Forecast (Live Updates) \|\| PoliticalTicker.com there must have been some falling out over at 538 and whoever had control of the name has switched sides and/or isn't down with the fixing.....

08-13-2016, 04:28 PM	#29
onwebcam Fake Nick 1.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rent free, your head Posts: 27,655	Another poll rigging exposure this time abc news. You can visit the link to see it for youself. Without voting you see Hillary as the winner. If you do vote Hillary is not only losing to Trump but Jill Stein as well.

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NKYKev Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 283	Nate Silver of 538 Gives Trump 2% chance of being Republican Nominee 2% Chance Nate Silver on how he screwed up on Trump Oops How 538 readjusted polls after the fact to benefit Clinton Polls being readjusted As for arguing about polls, how about the recent accuracy of polling. Brexit was losing in all the major polls before the election, and we saw how that turned out. How many state primaries did not follow the polls just this year? Last year the Democrat candidate for Governor of KY led in every mainstream poll by 5% or more right up until the election, but lost by over 9% - meaning every single mainstream poll in that state was wrong by at least 14% or more. And yet you guys want to keep arguing over polls?