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NatalieK 05-19-2016 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jman (Post 20906525)
Pretty cool clip. The chopper in the other video is Bad Ass

I know & it gets so close to the ship right :helpme

~Evilin~ 05-19-2016 01:50 PM

..i do not want WW3.

woj 05-19-2016 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906390)
I did never mention anything about "nuclear tsunami strategy" and personally I do consider it pretty ineffective (too much efforts for a small effect). Please read the thread carefully. I've just posted a note that laser technologies are extremely limited by out atmosphere and every kid, who has learned basics of physics knows that. Believe me, the one don't has to be a rocket scientist to understand a principle of Rayleigh scattering. That's a standard middle school course. Yeah, at least in my country...

what does Rayleigh scattering have to do with anything? gravity exists too, and yet engineers came up with solutions to make aircraft fly... that's what scientists/engineers do...

spend 2 minutes on google and you will find videos of laser weapons popping missiles / artillery shells / etc from miles away, here is one for example:





and that's with some weak-ass 10 kW proof-of-concept laser running from a back of a truck... now imagine harvesting even fraction of the 100s of MW that a nuclear reactor on a ship is generating into a laser beam and you will see where the technology is headed... :2 cents:

poncabare 05-19-2016 04:22 PM

ivan drago

just a punk 05-19-2016 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20907218)
what does Rayleigh scattering have to do with anything? gravity exists too, and yet engineers came up with solutions to make aircraft fly... that's what scientists/engineers do...

spend 2 minutes on google and you will find videos of laser weapons popping missiles / artillery shells / etc from miles away, here is one for example:



Note my P.S. here: https://gfy.com/20906087-post90.html - you are not first who tries to use lasers for military purposes - these are technologies from 70's (been there, seen that, done that). So, good luck on learning physics. First of all just try to find out what efficiency does mean ;)

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20907218)
now imagine harvesting even fraction of the 100s of MW that a nuclear reactor on a ship is generating into a laser beam and you will see where the technology is headed... :2 cents:

How old are you? The higher power does not mean the higher result when we are talking about lasers, operating in the atmosphere. Let me step to your level and explain it in a different way. Consider the laser beam power like a human body, falling down to the ground. It doesn't matter if it was 100 km or only 1 km height: the speed of that body will be the same - not more than 240 km/h. There are limits of atmosphere for both: falling bodies and laser beams.

Nitzer Ebb 05-19-2016 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Evilin~ (Post 20906885)
..i do not want WW3.

Not going to happened. Russian oligarchs heavily vested in western economies and real estate. Most of them live or have their families in EU or USA. Putin is bluffing.

woj 05-19-2016 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20907242)
Note my P.S. here: https://gfy.com/20906087-post90.html - you are not first who tries to use lasers for military purposes - these are technologies from 70's (been there, seen that, done that). So, good luck on learning physics. First of all just try to find out what efficiency does mean ;)

what do your failed attempts at creating some advanced weapons have to do with anything? I know what efficiency is, care to clarify what it has to do with anything in this context?

woj 05-19-2016 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20907242)
How old are you? The higher power does not mean the higher result when we are talking about lasers, operating in the atmosphere. Let me step to your level and explain it in a different way. Consider the laser bean power like a human body, falling down to the ground. It doesn't matter if it was 100 km or only 100 meter height: the speed of that body will be the same - not more than 240 km/h. Are you surprised, professor? ;)

not surprised at all, obviously higher power means lower result... but only in Russia... :error

John_Galbani 05-19-2016 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20907242)
Note my P.S. here: https://gfy.com/20906087-post90.html - you are not first who tries to use lasers for military purposes - these are technologies from 70's (been there, seen that, done that). So, good luck on learning physics. First of all just try to find out what efficiency does mean ;)



How old are you? The higher power does not mean the higher result when we are talking about lasers, operating in the atmosphere. Let me step to your level and explain it in a different way. Consider the laser beam power like a human body, falling down to the ground. It doesn't matter if it was 100 km or only 1 km height: the speed of that body will be the same - not more than 240 km/h. There are limits of atmosphere for both: falling bodies and laser beams.

Do not forget russian internets satelites technology! :thumbsup

just a punk 05-19-2016 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20907284)
not surprised at all, obviously higher power means lower result... but only in Russia... :error

Only on a planet which has such a thing like the atmosphere (e.g. Earth). You can't jump over the physical limits. Once again: how old are you and did you complete a middle school?

P.S. Even a power of explosion drops as a square-root of the distance. Getting back to your level: a power of a shock wave with a force of 100 Pa will be only 10 Pa in a meter away of it's epicenter. That's a world we live in... But you can always count on them:

http://cdn1-www.comingsoon.net/asset...alypseimax.jpg

Horatio Caine 05-19-2016 05:09 PM

Look at you go, Boris

3:07 AM
Friday, May 20, 2016 (GMT+3)
Time in Moscow, Russia


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just a punk 05-19-2016 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20907332)

I like this gif, thanks :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Unfortunately I go to sleep at about 7 AM (

pimpmaster9000 05-19-2016 05:25 PM

laser = technology fail...

missiles can be like 10 meters long, how hard would it be to fire TEN with say 3 meters worth of fuel and 7 meters of steel...melt that bitch! travelling at mach 15 the kinetic energy of the hit would vaporize a ship :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
fail

US army = fail

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the americans did not think that one out, they acted on impulse, lucas made star wars, they got stoked "merica! lasers!"

fail...

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pimpmaster9000 05-19-2016 05:31 PM

or a shot gun type of missle with like 1000s of pool ball sized steel balls travelling at mach 15, the moment the missile is within the lasers puny range it bursts and swiss cheeses the waste of money US boaty mc boat face...

lasers = fail

fleet = sink :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

NatalieK 05-19-2016 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20907218)

amazing machinery & equipment :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20907242)
Consider the laser beam power like a human body, falling down to the ground. It doesn't matter if it was 100 km or only 1 km height: the speed of that body will be the same - not more than 240 km/h. There are limits of atmosphere for both: falling bodies and laser beams.

Technically isn't it the power behind the laser that creates the distance due to the capacity of power inside. Yes, there are limitations, as you say. But with a larger pointer, the lens or the part of where the beam is shone & the power behind the laser, would create a further beam & project a hotter burn as it penetrates the object.
It's not the same as a person, small or big falling other wise you could estimate it similar to a feather falling against a round object weighing as much as a feather. The feather will float & drift down, the round object would fall direct, yet they weigh the same.

Although you're right about the different atmospheric pressures could change the speed & distance :2 cents:

just a punk 05-19-2016 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 20907359)
amazing machinery & equipment :thumbsup

Doesn't this one look similar? ;)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...0%B5%D1%82.JPG

That's a technology of 1980 (was already done by Soviets when I was a kid) and those are just military toys and nothing more.

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 20907359)
Technically isn't it the power behind the laser that creates the distance due to the capacity of power inside. Yes, there are limitations, as you say. But with a larger pointer, the lens or the part of where the beam is shone & the power behind the laser, would create a further beam & project a hotter burn as it penetrates the object.

It's hard to explain, but laser technologies work well as pew-pew guns in Sci-Fi movies only, but not on planet Earth. I've tried to explain in above, but seems it doesn't work for the people who calls physical law a "wild story". That's like speaking with people who've got their education in some village parish school.

Do you think why all world armies still use old good bullets and missiles instead of this:

http://cf.ltkcdn.net/toys/images/std...-Laser_gun.jpg

There must be a reason, right? :winkwink:

woj 05-19-2016 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20907350)
laser = technology fail...

missiles can be like 10 meters long, how hard would it be to fire TEN with say 3 meters worth of fuel and 7 meters of steel...melt that bitch! travelling at mach 15 the kinetic energy of the hit would vaporize a ship :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
fail

US army = fail

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the americans did not think that one out, they acted on impulse, lucas made star wars, they got stoked "merica! lasers!"

fail...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

missiles need to have sensors in front, unless they are guided from behind from the launching site...

sensors in front = trivially easy to burn them out
guided from behind = susceptible to electronic counter measures, jamming, etc

fail / fail

just a punk 05-19-2016 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20907371)
missiles need to have sensors in front, unless they are guided from behind from the launching site...

sensors in front = trivially easy to burn them out
guided from behind = susceptible to electronic counter measures, jamming, etc

fail / fail

Inertial control, hyperbolic navigation etc? Not, haven't heard about that :winkwink:

woj 05-19-2016 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20907407)
Inertial control, hyperbolic navigation etc? Not, haven't heard about that :winkwink:

yea, against targets moving at 40mph+... good luck with that...

pimpmaster9000 05-19-2016 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20907371)
missiles need to have sensors in front, unless they are guided from behind from the launching site...

sensors in front = trivially easy to burn them out
guided from behind = susceptible to electronic counter measures, jamming, etc

fail / fail

5 tons of concrete travelling at mach 15 has the kinetic energy of 10 metric tons of TNT...ten such missiles are like 100 metric tons of TNT

They can hit approximately LOL you are not going to have a good time...

Now imagine ten of them loaded with metal balls like basketballs going your way...mach 15...a 40 kg ball would be equal to like 180lb of tnt at that speed...not a good time...

Fail\fail\fail

pimpmaster9000 05-19-2016 06:15 PM

Also if the sensors are on the front the missile can fly up high as a mother fucker and when it is directly above, then down...str8 down with a payload of 20 tons of pig shit,thats 80tons TNT kinetic energy does not care LOL

woj 05-19-2016 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20907422)
Also if the sensors are on the front the missile can fly up high as a mother fucker and then down...str8 down with a payload of 20 tons of pig shit, kinetic energy does not care LOL

yea, and hit the target within a mile if you are lucky... :error

strategy like that is only useful with nuclear weapons, but those are as useful as pulling out a grenade at a bar fight... yea, you will kill your adversary, but you will be dead too... completely pointless strategy, unless you are suicidal or have a way of stopping the 1000s of nukes that seconds later will be coming your way... which with current technology, no one does...

pimpmaster9000 05-19-2016 06:32 PM

If I was pooty I would make massive 100 ton missiles that are filled with shit, they would fly up and then directly down and it would detonate say two miles above to scatter the shit and it would rain shit on you and you would be covered in 100s of tons of shit and would be forced to go home LOL

Horatio Caine 05-19-2016 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20907350)
fail

US army = fail

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Looks like it worked fine on your gypsy asses. 17 years later we can still hear butthurt serbs whining :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://i.imgur.com/mZu8g1L.jpg

Horatio Caine 05-19-2016 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20907443)
If I was pooty I would make massive 100 ton missiles that are filled with shit, they would fly up and then directly down and it would detonate say two miles above to scatter the shit and it would rain shit on you and you would be covered in 100s of tons of shit and would be forced to go home LOL

That the whole place would look like Serbia ! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 05-20-2016 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20907452)
That the whole place would look like Serbia ! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I would "brown sky" the US fleet 24/7 they would be so shit soaked the USA would not want to take them back :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Horatio Caine 05-20-2016 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20907947)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I would "brown sky" the US fleet 24/7 they would be so shit soaked the USA would not want to take them back :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You would run away. Thats what Serbs do :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

klinton 05-20-2016 05:17 AM


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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20907350)
US army = fail

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klinton 05-20-2016 05:18 AM

hahah briliant:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20907332)


klinton 05-20-2016 05:20 AM

you are smart lady ! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
I bet that you had A+ in school in physics:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 20907359)
amazing machinery & equipment :thumbsup



Technically isn't it the power behind the laser that creates the distance due to the capacity of power inside. Yes, there are limitations, as you say. But with a larger pointer, the lens or the part of where the beam is shone & the power behind the laser, would create a further beam & project a hotter burn as it penetrates the object.
It's not the same as a person, small or big falling other wise you could estimate it similar to a feather falling against a round object weighing as much as a feather. The feather will float & drift down, the round object would fall direct, yet they weigh the same.

Although you're right about the different atmospheric pressures could change the speed & distance :2 cents:


klinton 05-20-2016 05:22 AM

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh
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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20907452)
That the whole place would look like Serbia ! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


NatalieK 05-20-2016 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20907365)

It's hard to explain, but laser technologies work well as pew-pew guns in Sci-Fi movies only, but not on planet Earth. I've tried to explain in above, but seems it doesn't work for the people who calls physical law a "wild story". That's like speaking with people who've got their education in some village parish school.

Do you think why all world armies still use old good bullets and missiles instead of this:

http://cf.ltkcdn.net/toys/images/std...-Laser_gun.jpg

There must be a reason, right? :winkwink:

All weapons have different pros & cons, but laser tech is simply fantastic in removing a threat, as seen on the video from WOJ. Reading up on the rail gun's history, the French founder invented the idea of magnetic propulsion many years ago & yet it only seems to have been used in the recent decade. Maybe the same as laser technology, there's more to come :2 cents:

Rochard 05-20-2016 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20907365)

It's hard to explain, but laser technologies work well as pew-pew guns in Sci-Fi movies only, but not on planet Earth. I've tried to explain in above, but seems it doesn't work for the people who calls physical law a "wild story". That's like speaking with people who've got their education in some village parish school.

Do you think why all world armies still use old good bullets and missiles instead of this:

http://cf.ltkcdn.net/toys/images/std...-Laser_gun.jpg

There must be a reason, right? :winkwink:

I disagree.

We aren't to the point where a single short burst of a laser light will instantly destroy a large target, but the US Military seems to be working on a laser that can take down missiles and projectiles as well as larger targets such as boats and planes. They expect to deploy this in the next five years.

Lasers will be everything in the future. Imagine having a system with unlimited ammo that can instantly engage targets at any distance and destroy them. It will completely change the the very nature of warfare.

Warfare itself has changed. In the past, there was two huge problems - finding the enemy and then destroying them. Finding them is no longer an issue; Every plane and ship is tracked. This isn't huge news; your local department store tracks you in every aisle and is able to determine when you need help. Destroying a target has become easier and easier; With lasers it will be instant. Eventually will be at a "locate and destroy" instantly.

just a punk 05-20-2016 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20908646)
I disagree.

We aren't to the point where a single short burst of a laser light will instantly destroy a large target, but the US Military seems to be working on a laser that can take down missiles and projectiles as well as larger targets such as boats and planes. They expect to deploy this in the next five years.

Good luck on that :winkwink:

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20908646)
Lasers will be everything in the future. Imagine having a system with unlimited ammo that can instantly engage targets at any distance and destroy them. It will completely change the the very nature of warfare.

The energy is not unlimited (show me at list an iPhone which can work for a month w/o re-charging). The laser can not work just instantly. The laser ray need time to heat гз the target. The targets can use anti-laser coating. Laser is absolutely useless in a rainy or snowy weather. Laser can not work at any range. It's effective on a close distance only because... note my posts about Rayleigh scattering. Actually, the real distance is closer than a distance of machine-gun bullet. So course lasers can be used in military, but they are very limited because of our atmosphere and various weather conditions. It will work in some limited cases and on a very limited range.

As I mentioned above, the steam engines are also work, but people are smart enough to avoid their usage on cars and motorbikes. There are more effectively technologies for that.

E.g. this toy is more effective on close ranges than any theoretically invented laser system:



It has missiles that fly in any weather and don't afraid of rains, snows and smoke. Plus to that uses 60 round per second cannons which will cut off any target to pieces like saws in just a moment.

When yo need the long range systems, you will go with those:



Just check out their possibilities: S-400 (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and S-500 (missile system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To be short, you can not invent a laser which will be able to hit anything over the horizon (hope don't need to explain why).

P.S. Both systems (Pantsir and S-NNN) have mobile ground-based and stationary navy versions. They don't need so much power as lasers, they can work at almost any distance (including the theoretically unreachable ones for lasers). They work in any weather condition, they a rather cheap, very reliable etc. So that's all about the efficiency. Lasers have lost this battle long before its beginning... Lasers are so 70s :)

dyna mo 05-20-2016 11:46 AM


just a punk 05-20-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20908646)
Warfare itself has changed. In the past, there was two huge problems - finding the enemy and then destroying them. Finding them is no longer an issue; Every plane and ship is tracked. This isn't huge news; your local department store tracks you in every aisle and is able to determine when you need help.

So bad that so expensive stealth technology is finally ruined - everything is being tracked now - even my cat when he hides in the bathroom :(

dyna mo 05-20-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20908727)
So bad that so expensive stealth technology is finally ruined - everything is being tracked now - even my cat when he hides in the bathroom :(

more of your pie in the sky rusky dream land. even if ivan could figure out anti-stealth(which you have not), you don't have the cash to do it.

just a punk 05-20-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20908751)
more of your pie in the sky rusky dream land. even if ivan could figure out anti-stealth(which you have not), you don't have the cash to do it.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20151002165505

dyna mo 05-20-2016 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20908754)

is this your admission that you do not have workable anti-stealth tech and even if you did, your military budget is kaput and couldn't acquisition it?

dyna mo 05-20-2016 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20904086)
Against the low-profile cruise missiles with tactical nuke warheads? Good luck then :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

http://screenrant.com/wp-content/upl...er-Soldier.jpg

P.S. I also was a kid like you and believed into supermen and superweapon. Unfortunately I've grown up, was to army (in your country I would be called a "veteran") and I know what reality is not a cartoon or a comics. A "counter-measure" my ass :2 cents:

P.P.S. Boy, if you think that the US ships (doesn't matter how many) are invulnerable in the Russian zones of influence, you live in a Barbie house. The same applies to the Russian ships in the US zones of influence - both will go down to the sea bottom in a couple of minutes. And don't forget that Russia still has the most advanced rocket/missile systems in the world. Your ships are just "guests" in Baltic and that was demonstrated by Russian pilots - you were "intercepted".

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20908727)
So bad that so expensive stealth technology is finally ruined - everything is being tracked now - even my cat when he hides in the bathroom :(

funny how when cberseo needs shit to be tracked, rusky ivan can track everyone's cat, but when he doesn't need tracking, like when drunk ruskies launch tactical nukes, there's no tracking those guys!


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