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klinton 05-19-2016 12:24 AM

nice girls !
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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20904770)


pimpmaster9000 05-19-2016 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20904527)
laws of physics are not looking good for missiles... missiles are physical objects, so there is a limit on how fast you can make them fly, limit on how fast and how many you can produce, store, launch, etc... each one costs a pretty decent chunk of change... their performance will probably improve a bit, but any future gains will likely be modest at best...

lasers on the other hand in theory have unlimited range, unlimited power, speeds many orders of magnitude faster than any missile anyone could even theoretically dream up, unlimited supply of "shots", each one costing virtually nothing.. etc...

so I'll stand by my initial statement, lasers and other "directed energy" weapons are the future...

the laws of physics are not looking good for lasers either...range plays a huge role because lasers scatter in the atmosphere, clouds and rain are catastrophic to directed energy...water absorbs it like a mother fucker...

but the main problem is not energy...its power...energy is how much money you have in the bank, power is how fast you can spend it...there is a maximum density of power that thin air can carry...this power will need to be focused on an opaque frequency, that scatters the least in the atmosphere...or at least in an opaque range of frequencies...if it is in a select frequency then it is easier to deflect with specialized mirrors or reflective paint...

they will be good short range weapons against less sophisticated missiles...they will cost a like a mother fucker to develop and will be useless in the navy because they work like shit under water so torpedos and subs raugh at them...in fighter planes they will have limited power because of the limited size of the power source you can put on a plane...

but they will be good for outer space and shit and making money for US gov cronies :thumbsup

_Richard_ 05-19-2016 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20904677)
yea, a radar guided gatling gun, that's some cutting edge 70s technology... :error

still usable against less sophisticated weapons, but it's a tech dead-end, just like hard drives, gasoline powered internal combustion engines, missiles, etc... :2 cents:

did you ever read this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_(short_story)

"Superiority" is a science fiction short story by Arthur C. Clarke, first published in 1951. It depicts an arms race, and shows how the side which is more technologically advanced can be defeated, despite its apparent superiority, because of its own organizational flaws and its willingness to discard old technology without having fully perfected the new. Meanwhile, the enemy steadily built up a far larger arsenal of weapons that while more primitive were also more reliable. The story was at one point required reading for an industrial design course at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[1]

Horatio Caine 05-19-2016 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20905154)
the laws of physics are not looking good for lasers either...range plays a huge role because lasers scatter in the atmosphere, clouds and rain are catastrophic to directed energy...water absorbs it like a mother fucker...

but the main problem is not energy...its power...energy is how much money you have in the bank, power is how fast you can spend it...there is a maximum density of power that thin air can carry...this power will need to be focused on an opaque frequency, that scatters the least in the atmosphere...or at least in an opaque range of frequencies...if it is in a select frequency then it is easier to deflect with specialized mirrors or reflective paint...

they will be good short range weapons against less sophisticated missiles...they will cost a like a mother fucker to develop and will be useless in the navy because they work like shit under water so torpedos and subs raugh at them...in fighter planes they will have limited power because of the limited size of the power source you can put on a plane...

but they will be good for outer space and shit and making money for US gov cronies :thumbsup

Serbs will come on top :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.mtbserbia.com/gallery2/d/...oslje-4387.jpg

bronco67 05-19-2016 06:54 AM

Thanks Obama

pimpmaster9000 05-19-2016 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20905331)
Serbs will come on top :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

no the disappearing US middle class will :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

enjoy the crony gravy train that your country is becoming :thumbsup

xXXtesy10 05-19-2016 07:53 AM

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

just a punk 05-19-2016 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20904797)

Have something against the Ukraine (only a complete idiot can't see their colors on the crashed plane)? That was a very dramatic story, actually.

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20904809)
You don't seem to know much about the military. They had this technology since the 1960s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missil...e_Alarm_System

They know days in advance before North Korea does a "test" and they can follow it every step of the way. LOL - the United States was able to find your lost K-129 submarine underwater in 1974.

You seem to have no working knowledge of how the military works at all.

http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg

Barry-xlovecam 05-19-2016 07:54 AM

How do you know that there was no radar lock and this was just a game of chicken show?

Talk about gullible, LMAO.

just a punk 05-19-2016 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20905154)
the laws of physics are not looking good for lasers either...range plays a huge role because lasers scatter in the atmosphere, clouds and rain are catastrophic to directed energy...water absorbs it like a mother fucker...

Exactly. Lasers are pretty cool for some Star Wars-like pew-pew movies, but they are pretty useless in the real life. The local GFY scientists don't learn physics (it's just considered as anti-God science in the US schools) and they have no idea that Rayleigh scattering is. Unfortunately, lasers work in the real world and they can't ignore the physical laws which say that the extinction coefficient is proportional to the fourth power of the wavelength, and nothing you can do to change that... But our American friends don't care about such a nonsense like physics - thy have Batman, Superman and... (a drum-roll here) him:

http://cache.reelz.com/assets/conten...orris-MIA2.jpg

:pimp :thumbsup

P.S. We also had projects like this, this, this, this or that but they are pretty useless (have a very low range of usability) because of... those nasty physical laws ;)

Why 05-19-2016 10:15 AM

oh well, fuck those russian pilots, the lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep.

russia is a has been, militarily speaking, the US could park our ships off thier coasts and knock anything out of the air or water that left their perimeter. they know this, thats why they are starting to try to keep us out of their "sphere".

america would make russia its bitch in a 1:1 conflict, direct or indirect.

just a punk 05-19-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20904980)
nice girls !

A whole his family: Olga, Svetlana and... forgot the name of the 3rd one (

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Originally Posted by Why (Post 20906099)
oh well, fuck those russian pilots, the lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep.

russia is a has been, militarily speaking, the US could park our ships off thier coasts and knock anything out of the air or water that left their perimeter. they know this, thats why they are starting to try to keep us out of their "sphere".

america would make russia its bitch in a 1:1 conflict, direct or indirect.

Sure thing: In a War With Russia NATO Doesn't Stand a Chance, Pentagon Fears It's Not Ready for a War With Putin, Russia Can Beat The U.S. In An Armed Conflict, Why America Can't Win WW III, U.S. vs. Russia: What a war would look like between the world's most fearsome militaries and blah-blah :winkwink:

http://media.comicbook.com/2016/01/c...war-164707.jpg

pimpmaster9000 05-19-2016 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Why (Post 20906099)
russia is a has been, militarily speaking, the US could park our ships off thier coasts and knock anything out of the air or water that left their perimeter. they know this, thats why they are starting to try to keep us out of their "sphere".

them US boats do not do well when hit by a tsunami caused by a nuclear bomb do they?...the debate is still open whether the 1883 krakatoa explosion caused a super sonic tsunami, but I am willing to bet that your entire fleet and all them waste of money jets do not do well when under water?...

its nice your government keeps telling you that you are #1 :thumbsup

it probably makes you feel better about the crony $$$$ going out of your pocket in to theirs :thumbsup

dyna mo 05-19-2016 10:51 AM

joint ruskie-serbian strategic tactical nuclear tsunami assault team meeting.

http://i.imgur.com/oIWkgGU.jpg

klinton 05-19-2016 10:56 AM

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
look like a conspirators for sure
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20906201)
joint ruskie-serbian strategic tactical nuclear tsunami assault team meeting.

http://i.imgur.com/oIWkgGU.jpg


klinton 05-19-2016 10:57 AM

I will take the two younger ones. They look nice in pantyhose
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906117)
A whole his family: Olga, Svetlana and... forgot the name of the 3rd one (


just a punk 05-19-2016 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20906225)
I will take the two younger ones. They look nice in pantyhose

Ask Horatio Canine. I believe he won't charge more than a couple of food stamps for them ;)

Here you go: Florida Department of Children and Families

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20906201)
joint ruskie-serbian strategic tactical nuclear tsunami assault team meeting.

http://i.imgur.com/oIWkgGU.jpg

Haven't I told you to stop posting my PRIVATE photos? Don't hack my computer anymore, pervert! :mad:

klinton 05-19-2016 10:59 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906087)
The local GFY scientists don't learn physics (it's just considered as anti-God science in the US schools)


just a punk 05-19-2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20906231)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://ttolk.ru/wp-content/uploads/2...BE%D0%B4-4.jpg

klinton 05-19-2016 11:14 AM

whats this ?
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906240)


dyna mo 05-19-2016 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20904086)
I also was a kid and believed into supermen and superweapon.

There have been several underwater atomic tests: the BAKER shot in Bikini Atoll in 1946, the WIGWAM shot off California in 1955, the UMBRELLA shot and the WAHOO shot at Enewetak in 1958.

BAKER was a 20 kiloton atomic bomb detonated 200 feet below the surface in a shallow lagoon. It generated a 90 foot wave 1000 feet from the detonation. However, that wave was only 6 feet high 22000 feet from the detonation.

WIGWAM was a 30 kiloton atomic bomb detonated 2000 feet below the surface. The official report on WIGWAM does not mention any significant waves from the explosion.

UMBRELLA was a 8 kiloton atomic bomb detonated 150 feet below the surface. WAHOO was a 9 kiloton atomic bomb detonated 500 feet below the surface. The official reports on UMBRELLA and WAHOO do not mention any significant waves from the detonation.

The difference between the WIGWAM and WAHOO deep water tests is that the bubble created by the explosion broadens and can collapse before reaching the surface thus limiting the wave generated at the surface.

The following link show the conclusions of atomic testing on the damage effects on ships:

https://nige.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/caw1960-8.pdf

One conclusion is that underwater atomic explosions do damage at twice the distance as air or surface explosions. The damage is not so much due to waves but to the blast wave being transmitted through water to the ship hull and secondary effects like hogging.

One thing to note about all the underwater shots: fallout was limited by the water and in the case of the deep underwater explosions, little fallout was released in the air.

Compare the above tests to the 15 kiloton Hiroshima bomb. Severe damage to builds occurred within a 1 mile radius and firestorm was started with a radius of about 2 miles. The bomb did severe damage to a greater area than could be expected to be done with an underwater detonation.

NatalieK 05-19-2016 11:30 AM

The Russian air force are now flying over Estonia, Europe, intercepted by RAF Typhoons. I take it without need or permission?

RAF Typhoons intercept Russian aircraft near Estonia border

just a punk 05-19-2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20906261)
whats this ?

An ancient picture from your wiki article.

just a punk 05-19-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20906285)
There have been several underwater atomic tests: the BAKER shot in Bikini Atoll in 1946, the WIGWAM shot off California in 1955, the UMBRELLA shot and the WAHOO shot at Enewetak in 1958.

There was also a T-15 project, but... how does it relate to the Rayleigh scattering? Ah? :helpme

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 20906312)
The Russian air force are now flying over Estonia, Europe, intercepted by RAF Typhoons.

They were always flying over Europe, because more than 40% of Europe is... located in Russia ;)

Why 05-19-2016 11:44 AM

i dont know why you use this "crony" stuff like its some kind of insult, every reasonably educated american knows where a lot of our money goes... to the war machine.

but at least we are real about it, your country is ran by mafioso's, KGB agents and oligarchs... how is that better?

make no doubt our war machine could kick the living fuck out of yours. so you can keep coming back with retarded as pie in the sky ideas about how you might be able to stand a chance and do a bit of damage, but long story short, RU is still a has been and its just a puppy trying to fuck our legs for attention.

just a punk 05-19-2016 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Why (Post 20906357)
but at least we are real about it, your country is ran by mafioso's, KGB agents and oligarchs... how is that better?

Not better at all. Same shit - different faces. If you think that I like Putin more than Obama, you are soooooo wrong :1orglaugh

dyna mo 05-19-2016 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906351)
There was also a T-15 project, but... how does it relate to the Rayleigh scattering? Ah? :helpme



They have always flying over Europe, because more than 40% of Europe is... located in Russia ;)

just poking holes in your nuclear tsunami strategy.

also, i'm not going to try and act like i'm a laser expert but according to google, USA is well on its way to viable laser weapons.

just a punk 05-19-2016 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20906372)
just poking holes in your nuclear tsunami strategy.

I did never mention anything about "nuclear tsunami strategy" and personally I do consider it pretty ineffective (too much efforts for a small effect). Please read the thread carefully. I've just posted a note that laser technologies are extremely limited by out atmosphere and every kid, who has learned basics of physics knows that. Believe me, the one don't has to be a rocket scientist to understand a principle of Rayleigh scattering. That's a standard middle school course. Yeah, at least in my country...

klinton 05-19-2016 11:56 AM

not that ancient, Lysenko theories were still believed 50-60 years ago in soviet official science.......
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906333)
An ancient picture from your wiki article.


dyna mo 05-19-2016 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906390)
I did never mention anything about "nuclear tsunami strategy" and personally I do consider it pretty ineffective (too much efforts for a small effect). Please read the thread carefully. I've just posted a note that laser technologies are extremely limited by out atmosphere and every kid, who has learned basics of physics knows that. Believe me, the one don't has to be a rocket scientist to understand a principle of Rayleigh scattering. That's a standard middle school course. Yeah, at least in my country...

i lump all you slav nuclear high fivvers together. you don't hesitate to bring up nukes, i don't differentiate the different types of nuclear attacks you threaten about, a nuke attack is a nuke attack.

just a punk 05-19-2016 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20906414)
i lump all you slav nuclear high fivvers together. you don't hesitate to bring up nukes, i don't differentiate the different types of nuclear attacks you threaten about, a nuke attack is a nuke attack.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Perhaps my English is so weak for your clever ideas. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20906402)
not that ancient, Lysenko theories were still believed 50-60 years ago in soviet official science.......

Have no single idea about this shit. I'm not that old. I have no single idea who that Lysenko was and why should I know anything about him :)

dyna mo 05-19-2016 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906390)
I did never mention anything about "nuclear tsunami strategy" and personally I do consider it pretty ineffective (too much efforts for a small effect). Please read the thread carefully. I've just posted a note that laser technologies are extremely limited by out atmosphere and every kid, who has learned basics of physics knows that. Believe me, the one don't has to be a rocket scientist to understand a principle of Rayleigh scattering. That's a standard middle school course. Yeah, at least in my country...

yes, keep regaling us with your wild stories about rayleigh scattering



Navy: New laser weapon works, ready for action - CNN.com

just a punk 05-19-2016 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20906444)
yes, keep regaling us with your wild stories about rayleigh scattering

Navy: New laser weapon works, ready for action - CNN.com

A steam engine works too, but it's very ineffective, just like those toy laser systems :2 cents:

P.S. I like how easily you rename a physical law into a "wild story". I feel the power of the famous American comics education :thumbsup

https://image.freepik.com/free-vecto...2147493624.jpg

pimpmaster9000 05-19-2016 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20906285)
There have been several underwater atomic tests: the BAKER shot in Bikini Atoll in 1946, the WIGWAM shot off California in 1955, the UMBRELLA shot and the WAHOO shot at Enewetak in 1958.

BAKER was a 20 kiloton atomic bomb detonated 200 feet below the surface in a shallow lagoon. It generated a 90 foot wave 1000 feet from the detonation. However, that wave was only 6 feet high 22000 feet from the detonation.

WIGWAM was a 30 kiloton atomic bomb detonated 2000 feet below the surface. The official report on WIGWAM does not mention any significant waves from the explosion.

UMBRELLA was a 8 kiloton atomic bomb detonated 150 feet below the surface. WAHOO was a 9 kiloton atomic bomb detonated 500 feet below the surface. The official reports on UMBRELLA and WAHOO do not mention any significant waves from the detonation.

The difference between the WIGWAM and WAHOO deep water tests is that the bubble created by the explosion broadens and can collapse before reaching the surface thus limiting the wave generated at the surface.

The following link show the conclusions of atomic testing on the damage effects on ships:

https://nige.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/caw1960-8.pdf

One conclusion is that underwater atomic explosions do damage at twice the distance as air or surface explosions. The damage is not so much due to waves but to the blast wave being transmitted through water to the ship hull and secondary effects like hogging.

One thing to note about all the underwater shots: fallout was limited by the water and in the case of the deep underwater explosions, little fallout was released in the air.

Compare the above tests to the 15 kiloton Hiroshima bomb. Severe damage to builds occurred within a 1 mile radius and firestorm was started with a radius of about 2 miles. The bomb did severe damage to a greater area than could be expected to be done with an underwater detonation.



thats some serious quora science right there :thumbsup

US fleet vs. 100s or 1000s of nukes....I would not bet on the US fleet :2 cents:

klinton 05-19-2016 12:27 PM

because its good to know history to better understand present, and not live like a cockroach whose only excitement is because of new phone, damn it !
:winkwink::winkwink:
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906429)
Have no single idea about this shit. I'm not that old. I have no single idea who that Lysenko was and why should I know anything about him :)


Jman 05-19-2016 12:28 PM

Pretty cool clip. The chopper in the other video is Bad Ass

Horatio Caine 05-19-2016 12:28 PM

Two eastern european punks with big dreams :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Lets drink to that!

http://s018.radikal.ru/i514/1206/f1/e64881c0a58a.jpg

dyna mo 05-19-2016 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20906516)
thats some serious quora science right there :thumbsup

US fleet vs. 100s or 1000s of nukes....I would not bet on the US fleet :2 cents:


yes, in your shellshocked dream land you drop 1000s of nukes to sink a US flotilla.

Horatio Caine 05-19-2016 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20906228)
Ask Horatio Canine. I believe he won't charge more than a couple of food stamps for them ;)

Here you go: Florida Department of Children and Families

I would feel bad to charge anything at all for you dear wife Svetlana.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

just a punk 05-19-2016 12:34 PM

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...2246-15018.jpg

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