Who just seen Michael Moore on the Academy Awards ? - GoFuckYourself.com

JFK · 03-23-2003, 08:30 PM

Go For it Mike !!

Amputate Your Head · 03-23-2003, 08:30 PM

Moore is a fucking idiot.

I'm Slim · 03-23-2003, 08:30 PM

I did.
I love Michael but I'm glad they booed his ass off!

PersianKitty · 03-23-2003, 08:31 PM

I did.. and they should of cut his mike the moment he started. The Academy Awards should not be anyone's personal political forum.

Maybe the reaction he got will cut short anyone else's ideas of doing similar.

Sly_RJ · 03-23-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by I'm Slim
I did.
I love Michael but I'm glad they booed his ass off!

Did they really? What was he saying? This should be good...

Why can't people just relax for one night and try to enjoy themselves?

JFK · 03-23-2003, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by PersianKitty
I did.. and they should of cut his mike the moment he started. The Academy Awards should not be anyone's personal political forum.

ha if you have watched in the past it has been, and it will be in the future.......FREE SPEECH ......remember ??

I'm Slim · 03-23-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Did they really? What was he saying? This should be good...

Why can't people just relax for one night and try to enjoy themselves?

He pretty much said Bush was an idiot and that the war is useless blah blah blah. Fucking hippie

Amputate Your Head · 03-23-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by JFK

ha if you have watched in the past it has been, and it will be in the future.......FREE SPEECH ......remember ??

I'm not sure free speech means in someone else's house. He can go preach his bullshit to anyone he wants on the street.

bhutocracy · 03-23-2003, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by PersianKitty
I did.. and they should of cut his mike the moment he started. The Academy Awards should not be anyone's personal political forum.

Maybe the reaction he got will cut short anyone else's ideas of doing similar.

he's there because of a political film.. c'mon it's free speech. cutting mikes is ridiculous.. he should be free to say whatever he wants.. just as the crowd is free to boo him off.

Amputate Your Head · 03-23-2003, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

he's there because of a political film.. c'mon it's free speech. cutting mikes is ridiculous.. he should be free to say whatever he wants.. just as the crowd is free to boo him off.

did he talk about the film?

The Truth Hurts · 03-23-2003, 08:36 PM

I hope that fat fucker slips and gets that oscar stuck in his throat.

Everyone else is holding back, or at least 'acting' like they're holding their tongues... and this blimp goes and blows his load.

Attention Mr. Moore, your 15 minutes just came and went.

Sly_RJ · 03-23-2003, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

he's there because of a political film.. c'mon it's free speech. cutting mikes is ridiculous.. he should be free to say whatever he wants.. just as the crowd is free to boo him off.

I'd like to see Nicole Kidman bash the parenting skills of Tom Cruise at the Academy Awards.

Free speech at its finest!

Joe Sixpack · 03-23-2003, 08:39 PM

Michael Moore is a legend.

His show "The Awful truth" was fucking hilarious.

MattO · 03-23-2003, 08:39 PM

Steve Martin had a good comeback after that shenannigans.

sternyduke · 03-23-2003, 08:40 PM

i like the guy's documentries...

JFK · 03-23-2003, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I'd like to see Nicole Kidman bash the parenting skills of Tom Cruise at the Academy Awards.

Free speech at its finest!

She could bash anyone , and I would listen attentively

PersianKitty · 03-23-2003, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by MattO
Steve Martin had a good comeback after that shenannigans.

Yeah.. something to the effect that the teamsters were currently helping him into the trunk of his limo. Got some good applause.. and no boos.

xxxdesign-net · 03-23-2003, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by MattO
Steve Martin had a good comeback after that shenannigans.

what did he said?

bhutocracy · 03-23-2003, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

did he talk about the film?

I haven't seen the AA.. I have better uses for my time than watching self-indulgent pap from overpaid hollywood types. (only just

) People sacrificed their lives for him to be able to say whatever he said. It's freedom. Just like the next presenter after him could say he's full of shit.. who cares.. it's their right. Censorship is wrong. that goes for the KKK as much as it goes for michael moore.. we've got to be able to tolerate the whole spectrum.

PersianKitty · 03-23-2003, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

did he talk about the film?

Not a lick.

JFK · 03-23-2003, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by PersianKitty

Yeah.. something to the effect that the teamsters were currently helping him into the trunk of his limo. Got some good applause.. and no boos.

Yeah that was funny, he seems to be a good host over all..

bhutocracy · 03-23-2003, 08:44 PM

call him a fucking 'tard, but don't talk about cutting his mike.

[Labret] · 03-23-2003, 08:45 PM

U2 sucks my balls. I hope a nuke goes off right now. Pleaaase GOD NOWWWW!

Amputate Your Head · 03-23-2003, 08:45 PM

if he was there to talk about the film, and didn't.... then he needs to have his ass booted out the door so he can exercise his free speech across the street in the park. Free speech doesn't mean you get to use a planned event about something completely different as your fucking podium.

kad · 03-23-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by JFK

Yeah that was funny, he seems to be a good host over all..

Bring back Conan

bhutocracy · 03-23-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by JFK

Yeah that was funny, he seems to be a good host over all..

steve martin is the king

bhutocracy · 03-23-2003, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
if he was there to talk about the film, and didn't.... then he needs to have his ass booted out the door so he can exercise his free speech across the street in the park. Free speech doesn't mean you get to use a planned event about something completely different as your fucking podium.

when have celebrities ever shut up about their pet projects???

JFK · 03-23-2003, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
if he was there to talk about the film, and didn't.... then he needs to have his ass booted out the door so he can exercise his free speech across the street in the park. Free speech doesn't mean you get to use a planned event about something completely different as your fucking podium.

NOW .......now ... where would be the academy awards be without some controversy every now and then ??

421Fill · 03-23-2003, 08:57 PM

Free speech is fine and dandy in the public, but the producers of the Oscars paid money to produce and air the show as well as the advertisers that bought spots, etc. It's not as if they asked for any of the celebrities' opinions on the war, or that it was an open forum type show that opinions would be expected on. It's like everyone says about free speech here, "It's Lensman's board..."

The Truth Hurts · 03-23-2003, 09:05 PM

Unmoored From Reality
An ideological con artist is the favorite for an Oscar.

Friday, March 21, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST

With Hollywood in a fever pitch against the war in Iraq, Michael Moore is
likely to win the Oscar for Best Documentary at Sunday's Academy Awards.
"Bowling for Columbine," Mr. Moore's work of anti-American propaganda, has
grossed over $15 million, an amazing sum for a film billed as a documentary.
But the film, a merry dissection of America's "culture of fear" and love of
guns, is filled with so many inaccuracies and distortions that it ought to
be classed as a work of fiction.

Mr. Moore is naturally a big hit among the French. The jury at the Cannes
Film Festival created a special, one-time only award to honor his film and
then gave it a 13-minute standing ovation. "Not since Gore Vidal and Norman
Mailer have we seen such a successful export of anti-Americanism," observes
Andrew Sullivan in London's Sunday Times.

Mr. Moore plays into all of the worst stereotypes and distortions about
America. "Bowling for Columbine" attempts to explain interventions by the
U.S. military as rooted in an inherently violent domestic culture. "I agree
with the National Rifle Association when they say, 'Guns don't kill people,
people kill people,' " he told NBC's "Today" show. "Except I would alter
that to say, 'Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people.' We're the only
country that does this, and we do it on an personal level in our
neighborhoods and within our families and our schools, and we do it on a
global level. The American attitude is that we believe we have a right to
just go in and bomb another country. This is where Bush is going right now,
right?"
To make this strained connection, Mr. Moore tries to make us believe that
the two mentally disturbed high school students who massacred their fellow
students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., grew up in a
community that has a sinister connection to the military-industrial complex.
A Lockheed Martin factory in Littleton manufactures "weapons of mass
destruction," Mr. Moore claims. The factory actually makes rockets that
carry TV satellites into space. And the very title of Mr. Moore's film is
based on a deception. It refers to the bowling class that the Columbine
killers supposedly took the morning they committed their murders. The only
problem is that they actually cut the class.

Forbes reports that an early scene in "Bowling" in which Mr. Moore tries to
demonstrate how easy it is to obtain guns in America was staged. He goes to
a small bank in Traverse City, Mich., that offers various inducements to
open an account and claims "I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did
the background check, and, within an hour, I walked out with my new
Weatherby," a rifle.

But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his
account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore's film company had worked
for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged
thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city,
where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you're looking at
a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He
just portrayed us as backward hicks."

Mr. Moore makes the preposterous claim that a Michigan program by which
welfare recipients were required to work was responsible for an incident in
which a six-year-old Flint boy shot a girl to death at school. Mr. Moore
doesn't mention that the boy's mother had sent him to live in a crack house
where her brother and a friend kept both drugs and guns--a frequently lethal
combination.

Some of the fact-bending and omissions of "Bowling for Columbine" could
charitably be chalked up to really sloppy research. (I called the chief
archivist for Mr. Moore's film, Carl Deal, yesterday, but he hasn't called
back.) Others show a willful aversion to the truth. Mr. Moore repeats the
canard that the United States gave the Taliban $245 million in aid in 2000
and 2001, somehow implying we were in cahoots with them. But that money
actually went to U.N.-affiliated humanitarian organizations that were
completely independent of the Taliban.

David Hardy, a former Interior Department lawyer who delights in debunking
government officials and pompous celebrities, has uncovered even more
evidence of Mr. Moore's distortions. The film dhahahahats NRA president Charlton
Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and
900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory
statements sound like rudeness. Another speech is described as being given
immediately after the Flint shooting . In reality, it was made almost a year
later. All of these and more inaccuracies can be found at Mr. Hardy's
comprehensive Web site.

Ben Fritz ofSpinsanity.org also notes that Mr. Moore has "apparently altered
footage of an ad run by the Bush/Quayle campaign in 1988" to buttress his
claim that racial symbolism is frequently misused in American politics. His
leading example is the case of Willie Horton, a murderer who became a major
issue in the 1988 presidential campaign. Mr. Moore shows the Bush ad that
generically attacked a prison furlough program in Michael Dukakis's
Massachusetts . Superimposed over the footage of prisoners entering and
exiting a prison are the words "Willie Horton released. Then kills again."
While the caption appears to be part of the original ad, Mr. Moore actually
inserted it; the ad made no mention of Horton. (Another ad, sponsored by the
National Security Political Action Committee, a conservative group
independent of the Bush campaign, did mention Horton; it aired only briefly
in a few cable markets.) The phony Moore caption also is inaccurate; Horton
brutalized a Maryland couple and raped the wife, but didn't kill anybody
while on furlough.

In print, too, Mr. Moore plays fast and loose with the facts. In his "Stupid
White Men," his best-selling book, he blithely states that five-sixths of
the U.S. defense budget in 2001 went toward the construction of a single
type of plane and that two-thirds of the $190 million that President Bush
raised in his 2000 campaign came from just over 700 individuals, a
preposterous assertion given that the limit for individual contributions at
the time was $1,000.
When CNN's Lou Dobbs asked Mr. Moore about his inaccuracies, he shrugged off
the question. "You know, look, this is a book of political humor. So, I
mean, I don't respond to that sort of stuff, you know," he said.

"Glaring inaccuracies?" Mr. Dobbs said.

"No, I don't. Why should I? How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?"

Mr. Moore would deserve an Academy Award if there were an Oscar for Best
Cinematic Con Job. If "Bowling for Columbine" is a comedy, most of its fans
don't know it. They actually believe they're watching something that is in
rough accord with reality.

Interlude · 03-23-2003, 09:06 PM

Michael Moore is a fat fucking idiot that represents everything wrong with the left and the anti-war movement. There are so many ways to oppose the war, so many good things to be said, so many valid disagreements with Bush and his administration, and all of us have to suffer because Joe Blow looks at people like Moore and thinks everyone who share some of his views is an extremist asshole.

People like him set us all back. Now I know why people on the right bitch about the religious nuts.

bhutocracy · 03-23-2003, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
Unmoored From Reality
An ideological con artist is the favorite for an Oscar.

well this didn't come from the New York times did it?

PersianKitty · 03-23-2003, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

well this didn't come from the New York times did it?

John Fund.. Wall Street Journal.

foreverjason · 03-23-2003, 09:12 PM

lol this is america we cant relax!

badmunchkin · 03-23-2003, 09:15 PM

What exactly was his speech? It must have been pretty subversive for the liberal "Hollywood" crowd to boo him. He's not a "warm & fuzzy" liberal, he's a bit too cutting edge for the movie stars.

PersianKitty · 03-23-2003, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by badmunchkin
What exactly was his speech? It must have been pretty subversive for the liberal "Hollywood" crowd to boo him. He's not a "warm & fuzzy" liberal, he's a bit too cutting edge for the movie stars.

"We live in a time with fictious election results that elect fictitious presidents. We live in a time when we have a man sending us to war for fictious reasons.

"We are against this war Mr Bush. Shame on you. Shame on you!"

JFK · 03-23-2003, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by PersianKitty

"We live in a time with fictious election results that elect fictitious presidents. We live in a time when we have a man sending us to war for fictious reasons.

"We are against this war Mr Bush. Shame on you. Shame on you!"

Dont forget the duct tape ..............

Living For Today · 03-23-2003, 09:20 PM

what a fucking champion.

also helped produce system of a down's great video "boom"

if anyone has a clip of it that would be great since i dont watch those shitty fucken oscars or whatever.

bhutocracy · 03-23-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by PersianKitty

John Fund.. Wall Street Journal.

ahh.. mike has many friends in corporate america

Fire · 03-23-2003, 09:28 PM

So let me get this straight, a high school drop out called a college graduate an idiot?? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

bhutocracy · 03-23-2003, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by badmunchkin
What exactly was his speech? It must have been pretty subversive for the liberal "Hollywood" crowd to boo him. He's not a "warm & fuzzy" liberal, he's a bit too cutting edge for the movie stars.

lol thats what i was thinking.. crap.. now i'm going to have to watch it.

Rictor · 03-23-2003, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by JFK

Yeah that was funny, he seems to be a good host over all..

It's his second time hosting...

badmunchkin · 03-23-2003, 09:30 PM

I want to see this shit! MM's the man, he's the closest thing to a Rush Limbaugh for the left... Anyone tape it?

jimmyf · 03-23-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by sternyduke
i like the guy's documentries...

Never saw one and don't plan one seeing one.

KC · 03-23-2003, 09:34 PM

I was very happy to see people boo his ass off the stage. That spectacle just confirms that his "documentary" was completely biased. What happened to unbiased documentaries that allow the viewer to make their own decision about the issues.

Michael Moore has his own forum to promote his own agenda. I loved also how he poined out that the other guy involved in making the film was Canadian.

KC · 03-23-2003, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by Fire
So let me get this straight, a high school drop out called a college graduate an idiot?? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

What happens if the Kettle really is black?

jimmyf · 03-23-2003, 09:44 PM

Thanks a lot The Truth Hurts, going to email that to all my very Liberal friends and I have a bunch of them.

Danny_C · 03-23-2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by Fire
So let me get this straight, a high school drop out called a college graduate an idiot?? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

I never heard him call Bush an idiot. Disagree with him all you like, but don't put words in his mouth.

Sarah_Jayne · 03-23-2003, 10:40 PM

atleast he has the balls to say something be belives in rather than being quieted by the 'fear' of not working again.

bhutocracy · 03-23-2003, 10:41 PM

Michael Moore's acceptance speech:

On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this.

I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to ? they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction.

We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times.

We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president.

We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons.

Whether it's the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush.

Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you.

And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up.

Thank you very much.

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PersianKitty Meow Media Inc. Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In the valley of the sun, cactus, tacos, tequila, and nod Posts: 7,785	I did.. and they should of cut his mike the moment he started. The Academy Awards should not be anyone's personal political forum. Maybe the reaction he got will cut short anyone else's ideas of doing similar. __________________ Wondering what webmaster programs PK uses? Check them out here!

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Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	if he was there to talk about the film, and didn't.... then he needs to have his ass booted out the door so he can exercise his free speech across the street in the park. Free speech doesn't mean you get to use a planned event about something completely different as your fucking podium. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

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The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,305	I hope that fat fucker slips and gets that oscar stuck in his throat. Everyone else is holding back, or at least 'acting' like they're holding their tongues... and this blimp goes and blows his load. Attention Mr. Moore, your 15 minutes just came and went.

03-23-2003, 08:39 PM	#13
Joe Sixpack So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,793	Michael Moore is a legend. His show "The Awful truth" was fucking hilarious.

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MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	Steve Martin had a good comeback after that shenannigans.

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sternyduke Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 1,082	i like the guy's documentries...

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	call him a fucking 'tard, but don't talk about cutting his mike.

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[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	U2 sucks my balls. I hope a nuke goes off right now. Pleaaase GOD NOWWWW!

03-23-2003, 08:57 PM	#29
421Fill Super Mario Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Swenson's Avatar Posts: 19,409	Free speech is fine and dandy in the public, but the producers of the Oscars paid money to produce and air the show as well as the advertisers that bought spots, etc. It's not as if they asked for any of the celebrities' opinions on the war, or that it was an open forum type show that opinions would be expected on. It's like everyone says about free speech here, "It's Lensman's board..." __________________ RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES!!!

03-23-2003, 09:05 PM	#30
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,305	Unmoored From Reality An ideological con artist is the favorite for an Oscar. Friday, March 21, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST With Hollywood in a fever pitch against the war in Iraq, Michael Moore is likely to win the Oscar for Best Documentary at Sunday's Academy Awards. "Bowling for Columbine," Mr. Moore's work of anti-American propaganda, has grossed over $15 million, an amazing sum for a film billed as a documentary. But the film, a merry dissection of America's "culture of fear" and love of guns, is filled with so many inaccuracies and distortions that it ought to be classed as a work of fiction. Mr. Moore is naturally a big hit among the French. The jury at the Cannes Film Festival created a special, one-time only award to honor his film and then gave it a 13-minute standing ovation. "Not since Gore Vidal and Norman Mailer have we seen such a successful export of anti-Americanism," observes Andrew Sullivan in London's Sunday Times. Mr. Moore plays into all of the worst stereotypes and distortions about America. "Bowling for Columbine" attempts to explain interventions by the U.S. military as rooted in an inherently violent domestic culture. "I agree with the National Rifle Association when they say, 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people,' " he told NBC's "Today" show. "Except I would alter that to say, 'Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people.' We're the only country that does this, and we do it on an personal level in our neighborhoods and within our families and our schools, and we do it on a global level. The American attitude is that we believe we have a right to just go in and bomb another country. This is where Bush is going right now, right?" To make this strained connection, Mr. Moore tries to make us believe that the two mentally disturbed high school students who massacred their fellow students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., grew up in a community that has a sinister connection to the military-industrial complex. A Lockheed Martin factory in Littleton manufactures "weapons of mass destruction," Mr. Moore claims. The factory actually makes rockets that carry TV satellites into space. And the very title of Mr. Moore's film is based on a deception. It refers to the bowling class that the Columbine killers supposedly took the morning they committed their murders. The only problem is that they actually cut the class. Forbes reports that an early scene in "Bowling" in which Mr. Moore tries to demonstrate how easy it is to obtain guns in America was staged. He goes to a small bank in Traverse City, Mich., that offers various inducements to open an account and claims "I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, I walked out with my new Weatherby," a rifle. But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore's film company had worked for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city, where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you're looking at a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He just portrayed us as backward hicks." Mr. Moore makes the preposterous claim that a Michigan program by which welfare recipients were required to work was responsible for an incident in which a six-year-old Flint boy shot a girl to death at school. Mr. Moore doesn't mention that the boy's mother had sent him to live in a crack house where her brother and a friend kept both drugs and guns--a frequently lethal combination. Some of the fact-bending and omissions of "Bowling for Columbine" could charitably be chalked up to really sloppy research. (I called the chief archivist for Mr. Moore's film, Carl Deal, yesterday, but he hasn't called back.) Others show a willful aversion to the truth. Mr. Moore repeats the canard that the United States gave the Taliban $245 million in aid in 2000 and 2001, somehow implying we were in cahoots with them. But that money actually went to U.N.-affiliated humanitarian organizations that were completely independent of the Taliban. David Hardy, a former Interior Department lawyer who delights in debunking government officials and pompous celebrities, has uncovered even more evidence of Mr. Moore's distortions. The film dhahahahats NRA president Charlton Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and 900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory statements sound like rudeness. Another speech is described as being given immediately after the Flint shooting . In reality, it was made almost a year later. All of these and more inaccuracies can be found at Mr. Hardy's comprehensive Web site. Ben Fritz ofSpinsanity.org also notes that Mr. Moore has "apparently altered footage of an ad run by the Bush/Quayle campaign in 1988" to buttress his claim that racial symbolism is frequently misused in American politics. His leading example is the case of Willie Horton, a murderer who became a major issue in the 1988 presidential campaign. Mr. Moore shows the Bush ad that generically attacked a prison furlough program in Michael Dukakis's Massachusetts . Superimposed over the footage of prisoners entering and exiting a prison are the words "Willie Horton released. Then kills again." While the caption appears to be part of the original ad, Mr. Moore actually inserted it; the ad made no mention of Horton. (Another ad, sponsored by the National Security Political Action Committee, a conservative group independent of the Bush campaign, did mention Horton; it aired only briefly in a few cable markets.) The phony Moore caption also is inaccurate; Horton brutalized a Maryland couple and raped the wife, but didn't kill anybody while on furlough. In print, too, Mr. Moore plays fast and loose with the facts. In his "Stupid White Men," his best-selling book, he blithely states that five-sixths of the U.S. defense budget in 2001 went toward the construction of a single type of plane and that two-thirds of the $190 million that President Bush raised in his 2000 campaign came from just over 700 individuals, a preposterous assertion given that the limit for individual contributions at the time was $1,000. When CNN's Lou Dobbs asked Mr. Moore about his inaccuracies, he shrugged off the question. "You know, look, this is a book of political humor. So, I mean, I don't respond to that sort of stuff, you know," he said. "Glaring inaccuracies?" Mr. Dobbs said. "No, I don't. Why should I? How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?" Mr. Moore would deserve an Academy Award if there were an Oscar for Best Cinematic Con Job. If "Bowling for Columbine" is a comedy, most of its fans don't know it. They actually believe they're watching something that is in rough accord with reality.

03-23-2003, 09:06 PM	#31
Interlude Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: State of Denial Posts: 1,147	Michael Moore is a fat fucking idiot that represents everything wrong with the left and the anti-war movement. There are so many ways to oppose the war, so many good things to be said, so many valid disagreements with Bush and his administration, and all of us have to suffer because Joe Blow looks at people like Moore and thinks everyone who share some of his views is an extremist asshole. People like him set us all back. Now I know why people on the right bitch about the religious nuts.

03-23-2003, 09:12 PM	#34
foreverjason Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,452	lol this is america we cant relax!

03-23-2003, 09:15 PM	#35
badmunchkin Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,797	What exactly was his speech? It must have been pretty subversive for the liberal "Hollywood" crowd to boo him. He's not a "warm & fuzzy" liberal, he's a bit too cutting edge for the movie stars. __________________ Custom, Full Color Printing with BIG Discounts for GFY! ICQ 283197499

03-23-2003, 09:20 PM	#38
Living For Today Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,970	what a fucking champion. also helped produce system of a down's great video "boom" if anyone has a clip of it that would be great since i dont watch those shitty fucken oscars or whatever.

03-23-2003, 09:28 PM	#40
Fire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 486	So let me get this straight, a high school drop out called a college graduate an idiot?? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

03-23-2003, 09:30 PM	#43
badmunchkin Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,797	I want to see this shit! MM's the man, he's the closest thing to a Rush Limbaugh for the left... Anyone tape it? __________________ Custom, Full Color Printing with BIG Discounts for GFY! ICQ 283197499

03-23-2003, 09:34 PM	#45
KC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 1995 Posts: 2,417	I was very happy to see people boo his ass off the stage. That spectacle just confirms that his "documentary" was completely biased. What happened to unbiased documentaries that allow the viewer to make their own decision about the issues. Michael Moore has his own forum to promote his own agenda. I loved also how he poined out that the other guy involved in making the film was Canadian. __________________ Jupiter Hosting, Inc. Vice President, Business Development kc (AT) jupiterhosting.com

03-23-2003, 09:44 PM	#47
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	Thanks a lot The Truth Hurts, going to email that to all my very Liberal friends and I have a bunch of them. __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

03-23-2003, 10:40 PM	#49
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	atleast he has the balls to say something be belives in rather than being quieted by the 'fear' of not working again.

03-23-2003, 10:41 PM	#50
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	Michael Moore's acceptance speech: On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this. I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to ? they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you. And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up. Thank you very much.