XXXManager

I bet no one has any (if so show it here.. proofs - not boring conspiracy theories mile long texts)
But even without proof, please educate me - and put your thoughts and views on record here on GFY - as to how exactly US will gain from the war. Please tell me how exactly will Mr. Bush steal all the Iraqis oil. (US->Bush->War->Iraq->Oil->Pipe->no-UN-objection->US will not be considered a wise view but you are free to post that as your views)
Im interested to see those of you who really thought about their "All about oil" protest.

madthumbs

Oil is a minority reason in my opinion. There are much greater things to gain that Iraqi oil fields in this war.

XXXManager

I am trying to see the views and predictions of thuse who unlike me and you think its all about Oil.
I want to see their predictions so I can follow the future and see how much they knew what they were "talking" about.

Nysus

I'd like to know this too..

Cheers,
Matt

XSpider

One could say that Bush wants Sadam out and put someone in his place that lets US economy benefit from the black gold in Iraq. There are various ways to do this, the only thing i can think of is that Bush needs someone in Sadam's chair that will bend over for the US.

On the other hand... the war is very expensive for the US (and i mean VERY EXPENSIVE).

But still, i think the main reason for this war is that Sadam is just a very dangerous man with alot of power ( for the next two to three days ).

xxxdesign-net

I might be wrong...
But Iraq is the world 2sd oil producer and are not selling any oil to the united-states...

Saudi Arabia (1st oil producer) can then increase their prices because of lack of competition...

Tuga

Isnt it obvious that if the US controls Iraq in some way, even if it's not stealling the oil, it will get a much better deal? They can even say they are buying it to help Iraq, even if they buy it at a fraction of the value...

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Trolleater

Like what?

XXXManager

Im not looking for people to say "Its obvious its about Oil". That does not help me at all to understand your predictions how how will it work in your eyes. I for one thinks its not about oil but this is not interesting as well.
I ask for your ANALITICAL - PREDICTION.
First I want you to lay down how you think bush will benefit from it - PREDICTION - so I can follow your thoughts as written down and see in lets say 6 months from now if you had any sense of what you were talking about.
Second - want ANALITICAL view - I don't care about what you "BELIEVE". Some of you may believe in a God of some sort. The fact that you believe in it is hardly convinging me that such a God exists.
I am surprised so many of you shout "oil! oil!" and noone can tell me his/her coherent analitical predition of how this "plan" is going to execute itself.

Brujah

I'd be happy to share the upcoming events with you.

It all began with the recent birth of the Red Heifer.

Saddam Hussein will be removed from power in Iraq. The new leadership in Iraq will rebuild Babylon and sanctions will be lifted. New Babylon will become the economic and religious center in the middle east. Years of lasting peace will be made with between these nations and Greater Israel as part of a roadmap to peace. A new world order is established with all nations working together. After years of calm, the arab nations will join against Israel and surprisingly aided by then Russian government.

Jesus will return in a space craft at this period, and be shot down by the US government in fear of hostile intent.

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CDSmith

Bush has said repeatedly that the oil of Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people. PERIOD.

Iraqi's that have been given the chance to speak freely have confirmed that every dime from oil goes into Saddam's pocket, and if anyone dares to protest it they are tortured or their family is killed.

PERIOD.




The only countries that this is about oil for are those that have large existing contracts with Iraq, and it is those countries who are opposed to the war the most vehemently.... France, Germany, Russia.

Surprise surprise.



It would be nice if people would shut up about oil.

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Sly_RJ

The war is obviously all about the oil.

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FATPad

As usual.

The US never attacks anyone unless it stands to gain oil from it.

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XXXManager

I thought I was asking for OIL conspiracy preditions. not the other way around
Maybe I am mistaken...
Let me check again...

*scrolling up*
*looking*
*realizing its not him who is entoxicated doodie eater*
*scrolling down*
*thinking of something polite to write*

...Hey guys and girls. With all due respect... I'm looking for OIL believers to lay down their prediction. Are there any here who thought before shouting "oil"? Or those of you shouting "oil" just find it great fun to shout conspiracy

Tuga

Oil! Oil! Oil!
I wont shut up about oil, and I wont bother to make you a drawing of the plan either.

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ChrisH

There going to dig up the oil fields in the middle of the night and relocate them to Texas.

XXXManager

Ain't that like too heavy to carry it around?

Sly_RJ

I was hoping to see directfiesta post in this thread.

Where's he at? I want to know how I will benefit from this oil.

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theking

Been posted multiple times by myself and many others. Do a search and educate yourself.

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AM Jeff

I didn't know Afgansitain had oil.
We attacked them..but for good reasons too.

Vietnam and Korea don't have oil.
We attacked them too.

So...your saying. Its ok for iraq to delevope WMD, even though history shows they are an agressive country towards its neighbors and people?

So, you must think its fine if we leave Saddam alone and let him be a major problem 10-20 years from now...right?

If I remember right.
Iraq had 17 resolutions over a 12yr. peroid to dissarm.

Yeah, its about the oil.
France and Germany has loaned BILLIONS to Iraq.
France and Germany has MAJOR contracts with Oil for Oil.
Yeah, Germany has contracts with iraq to supply them with parts for their planes and weapons.

Sure...its about the Oil.
But, not from the US standpoint.
Ask the French and Germans if its about the oil.

Tuga

They will find a way. Trust me. Maybe they'll split them in little barrels

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Sly_RJ

Such concrete evidence.

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xxxdesign-net

mmmh, I just anwered your question:

Iraq is the world 2sd oil producer and are not selling any oil to the united-states...

Saudi Arabia (1st oil producer) can then increase their prices because of lack of competition...

If Iraq(2sd oil producer) are free and able to sell oil to the US...
The prices for gas at the pump will drop...

Im not saying that US are going to war for oil.... but when it comes the time to pay the 100 billions bill... THat money will compensate...

Tuga

What fucking evidence are you asking for before it happens?! Of course they will try to make it look like America is helping the Iraqi, buying all their oil, so they can rebuild everything they bombed... and of course they will buy it cheap.

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D_Nell

This isn't about oil its about the Liberation. The cost it takes to go to war will be reimbursed by Iraq over years to come. Plus we will probably add some too it to make a little profit! But as for us stealing oil fields, you are so wrong that thats going to happen. Open your eyes if we did something like that the world would be kicking our ass!

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Gutterboy

That was the funniest thing I've read all day.

foreverjason

I also think oil is only a small reason for the war. The US only gets 3% of all its oil from iraq.

Gutterboy

As for proof, how many hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts have already been farmed out to Bush buddy companies for the rebuilding? You can bet that list will get a whole lot longer once the actual work starts. This is going to be a cash cow for many companies. Oil is the least of it.

FATPad

Each American soldier has been given a special ziplock bag. Before being shipped home, they are to fill the ziplock bag with oil and drop it off at their local Shell station when they get home.

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directfiesta

How about for your " freedom fries" ????

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strainer

Anybody that knows anything about world markets understands that middlemen sell the oil to the highest bidder.

Most Iraqi oil produced before this week already went to the U.S, embargo or not.

There is no oil to be gained from liberating Iraq, period. There are lots of reasons to be against the war. For one thing, the way that guy smoked cigars constantly he would probably have taken himself out in a few years.

And no doubt, the mindless Arab street will hate the U.S. even more.

But anybody that thinks the war is about oil is truly a moron.

chupacabra

this is my biggest gripe about this entire invasion... the whole concept of a preemptive strike against someone who *might* be a threat in the future is ridiculous if they haven't even done anything aggressive to us so far... i mean, what kind of precedent does that set? does that give us the right to unilaterally attack and kill *anyone* we have a feeling may one day be a threat (or nuisance), at any time? that seems very open to abuse, and isn't really logically sound regardless..

oh, and to stay within the original scope of this thread, yes. its all about bush and his evil cohorts making more money off oil in some way or another... most likely in a way that will not benefit us american consumers at all, but fatten is coffers even more that they already are..

playa

i believe it has to do with combination of things
Terrosim is prolly the biggest factor

Iraq has potential to become the richest nation in the world, because of their oil

my theory is once everything is settle down, a new government and more stablization to the country,
then Iraq will be flooded by big corporations. including McDonalds and others, LOL

i wouldn't be surprise if in 20 years from now, people in the US would be driving cars built in Iraq

xxxdesign-net

mmh, Whats your sources?
The embargo was passed by the US as a penality so Iraq could not get rich and became even more dangerous...

Why the US would then buy Iraq Oil from a middle man!??

directfiesta

food for oil ---

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Non-porn

It?s simple. After the war the US will claim a $80 billion war dept. They will use the oil to repay this dept. The new Iraq government won?t disagree due to ?WE? put them in power. The Iraq oil reserves can produce more then the Saudis capabilities, but they just need to be modernized.

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XXXManager

Read first. shout later.
Did I ask for evidence???? NO
I asked for your prediction.
You predict they will bottle the Iraqi oil and steal it in the middle of the night in little barrles. Ok. I got your prediction. thanks.
Next silly predition please. anyone?

As to the all the people noting food-for-oil or any other way to pay for the expenses..
If I offered you a way to to spend $100 for me to make me buy from you or even give you for that matter $100 - would you think its a good deal? hehe

If you want my opinion btw - I am sure this conflict resolved will have great economical effect - positive. Not only for the US but for most of the world. Happy peaceful world is good for trading (all besides weapons trading ;) )
Terror - has negative effects on economy. US and others. As we ALL saw on the 9/11 and with any other terror event in the history.
To simplify it to say its ALL about Oil or even mainly about war - I find that uneducated. Its as wise as saying its all about enabling Israel and the palestinians to reach peace. Or all about human rights in Iraq. Or all about creating a Curdish country.
No matter what its may be all about - most of the "all about"s I've heard - including oil - which the first benefactors will be the people of Iraq which will finally "sell" their oil for food instead of weapons.

steveB

It's not about us getting Iraqi oil. It's about opening up their oil to lower rates worldwide. There is NO oil shortage. Energy departments estimate 230 years of suitable oil reserves, 580 years when including 'shale oil' (currently cost-prohibitive to extract but technology costs are rapidly falling. The US has a wealth of this oil type)

Current proven world oil reserves: 1,045 billion barrels

Saudi proven oil reserves: 268 billion barrels

Iraqi proven oil reserves: 110 billion barrels
Iraqi 'probable' oil reserves: 220 billion barrels

Estimated cost to repair Iraq's oil production infrastructure (prior to any sabotage/war damage) $25 billion. Likely contract winners: Halliburton, Schlumberger, Baker Hughes, BJ Services (all Western companies)

Iraq has 10% of the world's current known oil, and probably would have much, much more 'proven' if it wasn't for the current regime. And while Iraq is technically an OPEC nation, they are far less likely to follow quota guidelines than other OPEC nations - particularly if a US-friendly regime was in place.

In increase in Iraqi production from their current 1 to 2.5 million barrels/day to an easily achievable 6 to 7/day would lower the cost of oil worldwide. It's this supply-demand equation that would financially benefit the US.

Also, of course, is the contracts US companies would receive to rebuild all facets of Iraq - unique in that this is a country that actually has the ability to pay for a rebuilding effort thanks to their oil.

That said, I agree oil isn't the primary reason for this war. Oil is the primary reason there hasn't been a war sooner. Saddam is a ruthless dictator who has slaughtered tens of thousands of his own countrymen, with a lengthy history continueing to this day of human rights violations and war crimes. Dictators of this type are generally removed under international pressure (i.e. Pol Pot, Idi Amin). Saddam's ability to funnel cheap oil to sympathetic countries in exchange for a loose support (hello France, Russia and China!!) has kept international pressure ambiguous. (Saddam has never been charged by the UN with any war crimes or atrocities despite tremendous amounts of evidence do to the three nations above refusing to bring up charges)

Primary reason for this war is to get rid of Saddam and his ability to assist terrorist organizations. Nice side benefit is the impact on the US economy from a stabilized world oil supply.

XXXManager

Why do you all think oil prices will drop so much?
Even more - why do you all think that dropping prices will help the US so much?

tell me what price do you think an Oil barrle will drop to? and how exactly will it help US.
I heard much bettrer explanations to the Oil subject than dropping oil price (such as US control over the oil industry of Iraq - which is not so sure as some would like to think). That oil-price one is not a good explanations at all since that aspect is controlled and regulated by Opec.

steveB

OPEC attempts to control oil prices, and everyone assumes they do. In reality they control about 40% of the world's oil output and their impact is lessening. Their abilty to control their own member's output is suspect at present, much less trying to control a U.S.-centric government.

As to how much oil prices would drop... who knows. Safe to say Washington's put some thought into it however, and safe to say a drop would occur. Dubya's re-election could hinge on the state of the economy.

A drop in the cost of oil would be hugely beneficial. The US imports 11 million barrels of oil a day. As it so happens, every dollar drop in the cost of a barrel of oil reduces our trade deficit about 1%. Take a $30/barrel at current rates, drop it down to $20 it was in the early nineties and the US airline problems disappear overnight, $40,000,000,000 less funds flow out of the US annually, etc., etc. The economic impacts would be staggering.

Tuga

Yes, you did ask for evidence, and no, I never said they would just steal it, so go back to school now.

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This is my whole point. Nothing wrong with being against the war, but most of the protest people seem ignorant of basic facts.

Here is a quote, from the associated press:

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Q. Who buys Iraqi oil?

A. The United States tends to be the biggest importer of Iraqi crude, buying 366,000 barrels a day during December 2002. Iraq was the seventh-biggest supplier of U.S. crude imports that month, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Iraq's other customers include France, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands.

Last month, about two-thirds of Iraq's exports went to importers in North and South America. More than half of this amount ended up in the United States.

The buyers that deal directly with Iraq are often small, Russian-owned trading companies acting as middlemen. They ship the oil from Iraq to refiners and other users in importing countries.

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You can find the full article at:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/ne...&a03192003.htm

But mainly, use common sense. Any comodity (gold,oil,bananas) can be freely traded on world markets. Even if Saddam was so inclined as to not export oil to the U.S., somebody out to make a buck will gladly buy it and resell it here.

The cynical can spot lots of geopolitical reasons why we might want to invade Iraq. But oil - is not one of them.