Business Producing uk pornography

[baccybandit]

So I'm still researching hiring girls between the ages of 18 - 35 to become webcam models and cream off sign ups + revshare + commission.

It doesn't seem to be immedialty illegal which is a good step. However i want to be promoting these girls on reddit as well ideally they would be taking selfies and pelfies at home and (heres the tricky part), releasing the images for me to use exclusively to create reddit profiles in there stage name to promote them.

now as I am not the content producer i take it a model release form wouldn't work? as the model is also the producer? is there also a uk equivalent to the US 2257 form?

Here's a diagram of what I'm planning to do

Find women over 18 on social media and possibly dating sites and get them to contact me on skype
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Get them to send me scans of 2 forms of valid photo ID + a utility bill + get them to hold up the photo idea in front of webcam (to which i would screen grab)
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All user information gets stored securely offline on an encrypted flashdrive.
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Explain to them fully the business plan aka that you become an adult webcam model that my business will promote the model on certain websites (mainly reddit) and we in effect become there agent. That we will promote the girls to content producers and that we will take a cut of anything they make from a content shoot.
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We get them signup to webcam sites under our affiiate link (with team viewer - and help them fill out the application form)
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We get them to take selfies and pelfies of themselves and sign them over to us so we can use them on reddit as there stage name (this is the bit I'm struggling with)
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we then promote them on here and other places to content producers

rinse and repeat!

I know the business section on here is mostly filled with people posting irrelevant news storys but i must admit im struggling to find uk related info on this.

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[CurrentlySober]

You seem to be over-thinking things. The reason that there is not a UK equivalent of a US 2257 is because 2257 is not a UK law. Its only for the US.

The flaw in your plan isn't going to be to convince girls to perform on cam - Its going to be to convince them to give YOU all their personal IDs and details. I mean, FUCK THAT! they would be crazy to give you info like that which you don't need and isn't a legal requirement in the UK

As for model release I don't think its strictly necessary, if the girl is taking the pics and passing them on to you. The only thing a release allows you to do, is to use the pics for whatever you want, regardless of what the model may or may not like you to do with them, as effectively they sign away and and all rights to the pics in return for payment.

I doubt that applies in your case though, as if you are only gonna use them to promote the girls and the girls know that and have given you the pics for that exact purpose, whats the worst that can happen? The girl changes her mind and doesnt want you to promote her or use her pics, then thats fair - You just take them down... Sure you have wasted your time, but welcome to being a middleman in the buisness.

If you wanna be 'sneaky' use this form, which is a model release I have used in the UK myself. It includes the relevant 2257 sections as I sold my work to the states so I covered myself. Download it here - www.leocaprice.com/docs/adult-model-release.doc - and hardcode your info into it and take out the payment parts. Simply have the girls complete it for you as a formality, and that would cover you in the event that a girl wanted you to stop using her pics and you decided not too...

But we are heading into a murky area that doesn't need to be explored. Just be up-front and honest and you will still get problems but the problems will be easy to overcome. Like I say, don't over-think and overcomplicate things. The reason you cant find certain info is cause it doesn't exist as it has no need to exist.

Anyway hope this helps at least a bit

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

You seem to be over-thinking things. The reason that there is not a UK equivalent of a US 2257 is because 2257 is not a UK law. Its only for the US.

The flaw in your plan isn't going to be to convince girls to perform on cam - Its going to be to convince them to give YOU all their personal IDs and details. I mean, FUCK THAT! they would be crazy to give you info like that which you don't need and isn't a legal requirement in the UK

As for model release I don't think its strictly necessary, if the girl is taking the pics and passing them on to you. The only thing a release allows you to do, is to use the pics for whatever you want, regardless of what the model may or may not like you to do with them, as effectively they sign away and and all rights to the pics in return for payment.

I doubt that applies in your case though, as if you are only gonna use them to promote the girls and the girls know that and have given you the pics for that exact purpose, whats the worst that can happen? The girl changes her mind and doesnt want you to promote her or use her pics, then thats fair - You just take them down... Sure you have wasted your time, but welcome to being a middleman in the buisness.

If you wanna be 'sneaky' use this form, which is a model release I have used in the UK myself. It includes the relevant 2257 sections as I sold my work to the states so I covered myself. Download it here - www.leocaprice.com/docs/adult-model-release.doc - and hardcode your info into it and take out the payment parts. Simply have the girls complete it for you as a formality, and that would cover you in the event that a girl wanted you to stop using her pics and you decided not too...

But we are heading into a murky area that doesn't need to be explored. Just be up-front and honest and you will still get problems but the problems will be easy to overcome. Like I say, don't over-think and overcomplicate things. The reason you cant find certain info is cause it doesn't exist as it has no need to exist.

Anyway hope this helps at least a bit

absolutely , what cs said

[redwhiteandblue]

I'm not exactly clear on your business model here. You're going to get girls to sign up to webcam sites via your affiliate link? What's in it for them?

[baccybandit]

Currently sober most of your posts are usally utter shit, but I must say this has helped me an awful lot. Thank you.

Red White and Blue I am helping these girls find work (I believe most of these girls will never have explored this adult industry before) It will be promoted as adult entertainment and then when i explain to them. I can say that firstly they need to sign up to cam sites x and y and our team will help promote there accounts.

we also have global industry contacts and may be able to find you professional modeling shoots with adult content producers from across the globe (aka new talent posts on gfy)

as for handing over the data, I'l make myself look like a big corporate, and go with the age verification thing

[DVTimes]

Most girls who want to do web cam already do.

Most webcam models do not want there pics and vids all over the place.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by baccybandit

Currently sober most of your posts are usally utter shit, but I must say this has helped me an awful lot. Thank you.

Red White and Blue I am helping these girls find work (I believe most of these girls will never have explored this adult industry before) It will be promoted as adult entertainment and then when i explain to them. I can say that firstly they need to sign up to cam sites x and y and our team will help promote there accounts.

we also have global industry contacts and may be able to find you professional modeling shoots with adult content producers from across the globe (aka new talent posts on gfy)

as for handing over the data, I'l make myself look like a big corporate, and go with the age verification thing

Personally I would never contact any female if she was not already a model.

It only takes you to contact a single female under age of 18, and you will end up with a whole lot of problems.

I can see your plan having of many problems.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by baccybandit

as for handing over the data, I'l make myself look like a big corporate, and go with the age verification thing

But for what actual purpose? If they sign up as webcam models they will have to provide the proof to the cam companies themselves, and their acceptance by the cam companies proves to you that they are of age.

Aside from simply amassing a collection of private sensitive details just for the sake of it, why do you want to do that to begin with? What are you actually going to do with it? Serious question?

I'm not trying to be funny with you. I'm just wondering why that extra step, that WILL put a lot of girls off, you feel to be necessary? If its just because you think it makes you look more professional to ask for it, I think that it will bite you on the ass very quickly... Thats all

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

But for what actual purpose? If they sign up as webcam models they will have to provide the proof to the cam companies themselves, and their acceptance by the cam companies proves to you that they are of age.

Aside from simply amassing a collection of private sensitive details just for the sake of it, why do you want to do that to begin with? What are you actually going to do with it? Serious question?

I'm not trying to be funny with you. I'm just wondering why that extra step, that WILL put a lot of girls off, you feel to be necessary? If its just because you think it makes you look more professional to ask for it, I think that it will bite you on the ass very quickly... Thats all

To be honest I suspect its some bloke who thinks he can play at being some sort of agent in the hope he gets to have sex with one of the girls.

I may be wrong, but if I had a pound for the times I have had men come out with there business model, that clearly the aim is them getting sex, I would be super rich now.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

To be honest I suspect its some bloke who thinks he can play at being some sort of agent in the hope he gets to have sex with one of the girls.

I may be wrong, but if I had a pound for the times I have had men come out with there business model, that clearly the aim is them getting sex, I would be super rich now.

I dunno. The rest of it is perfectly plausible. I see no problem with approaching girls to see if they would consider cam work. I mean back in about 95/96 myself and the X used to hand out cards in the street to hot girls. For every 100 or so 1 girl took us up and that was for full on hardcore porn - not cam work...

I mean if its - approach girl - have her sign up - she takes some pics - he posts them on reddit and promotes her show etc... All fine and dandy. He may even make a few quid...

I just dont get the personal info angle...

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I dunno. The rest of it is perfectly plausible. I see no problem with approaching girls to see if they would consider cam work. I mean back in about 95/96 myself and the X used to hand out cards in the street to hot girls. For every 100 or so 1 girl took us up and that was for full on hardcore porn - not cam work...

I mean if its - approach girl - have her sign up - she takes some pics - he posts them on reddit and promotes her show etc... All fine and dandy. He may even make a few quid...

I just dont get the personal info angle...

It sounds like a 'cover' for him to go up to women in the street.

'Its ok officer I am an agent.'

'Its ok officer they know about me on gfy and they will confirm my story.'

[baccybandit]

The personal info angle, is simple

if I'm posting images on reddit of girls in sexual scenes and i am the only outflow of these pictures i want to make damn sure that if i do have the police or who ever nocking at my door that i can prove all the pictures are of girls of age.

its not like i can say well it came from (x porn site) they have compliance look here

I may be being over cautious

[baccybandit]

nope will be all online, im not looking to get laid im looking to exploit skint uni students when they are out of money and there next student loan installment isnt untill the following month

adult seems to be dying but there seems to be plenty of girls who are skint and looking for work, far better to target this angle than the punters

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by baccybandit

The personal info angle, is simple

if I'm posting images on reddit of girls in sexual scenes and i am the only outflow of these pictures i want to make damn sure that if i do have the police or who ever nocking at my door that i can prove all the pictures are of girls of age.

its not like i can say well it came from (x porn site) they have compliance look here

I may be being over cautious

If you go up to women and they report you, you will be charged.

Also reddit is freeloaders. They do not pay even for webcam.

And why are you wanting pics of girls in 'sexual scenes'? At most you post non nude, as you want people to see her webcam.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by baccybandit

nope will be all online, im not looking to get laid im looking to exploit skint uni students when they are out of money and there next student loan installment isnt untill the following month

adult seems to be dying but there seems to be plenty of girls who are skint and looking for work, far better to target this angle than the punters

I tell you what, why not promote webcam sites, and prove you can.

At the moment you sound like you starting out.

It sounds very much like,

Hi I am [insert name] I can make you money doing webcam. Please send me your nude pics. Then I will dick around on reddit giving away your nude pics. I have no idea if it will work, but at least I have seen you nude.

[Paul Markham]

Go talk to a lawyer.

If you can't afford one, give up.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by baccybandit

I can say that firstly they need to sign up to cam sites x and y and our team will help promote there accounts.

we also have global industry contacts and may be able to find you professional modeling shoots with adult content producers from across the globe (aka new talent posts on gfy)

as for handing over the data, I'l make myself look like a big corporate, and go with the age verification thing

first, don't lie to people.... "our team"?

Just say you're looking to earn a good income introducing a fantastic income to live cam models. Keep it real

I can introduce you to a few asian cam sites, with high earning incomes btw

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Personally I would never contact any female if she was not already a model.

why? what about escorts, strip tease girls & amateur porn stars that have not yet signed up for webcam

[DVTimes]

Also why would any girl give a stranger her details (including her home address).

It sounds really creepy.

and if she gives you a model release, it means even if she stops, you could keep using her pics, even sell them.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by baccybandit

nope will be all online, im not looking to get laid im looking to exploit skint uni students when they are out of money and there next student loan installment isnt untill the following month

don't listen to dv, alas, you cannot just walk up to anyone and ask if they want to do live cam or be a model...

maybe an advert in a local paper or at the college. You also can speak with people in bars, they're over 18, but obviously, do not just say, wanna be a model.. but you can ask anyone if they're interested in cam work, especially as they're so good looking, while enjoying a drink or buying a drink. This is not offensive & if correct, not illegal to give out cards either

[baccybandit]

why go to the hastle of getting girls to send me nude pics when i can just find hundreds online for free.

I wont be approaching girls il be posting job offers online clearly stating to only contact me if they are over 18

once they have validated there age on cam holding up id,

i can explain fully the proposition.

if i can find new talent for cam sites, and the girl makes money from it.

and can find new girls for content producers on here, and the girl makes money from it then its win win and i get my cut aswell.

my plan is to stay well within the law and make a few quid not to get my rocks off

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

It sounds really creepy.

creepy, like your offensive sig





professional

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by baccybandit

nope will be all online, im not looking to get laid im looking to exploit skint uni students when they are out of money and there next student loan installment isnt untill the following month

adult seems to be dying but there seems to be plenty of girls who are skint and looking for work, far better to target this angle than the punters

Do you really believe University Students are this dumb and don't know how the Adult Internet works and can ruin their future?

Stand outside the unemployment office, you might have more luck.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

first, don't lie to people.... "our team"?

Just say you're looking to earn a good income introducing a fantastic income to live cam models. Keep it real

I can introduce you to a few asian cam sites, with high earning incomes btw



why? what about escorts, strip tease girls & amateur porn stars that have not yet signed up for webcam

I tell you why Gary.

First off Gary, you tried getting girls working for you for free if you remember. Do you remember the sites you set up. I know one of the models, that you did not pay, even though she made sales. She was fuming with you.

But I will tell you why. If she wanted to do webcam, she would.

Most escorts/prostitutes do not want there face showing. Not all are like your wife Nat who you pimp out.

Next what if things go wrong. Lets say she does webcam. But does not make as much as she expected. She may and probably will blame you, and expect you to compensate. Or she may even believe your fiddling her.

Its far easer not to get involved.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Do you really believe University Students are this dumb and don't know how the Adult Internet works and can ruin their future?

Stand outside the unemployment office, you might have more luck.

students are not dumb, but they are skint & can make good money without having photos & film posted all over the net of them

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

I tell you why Gary.

First off Gary, you tried getting girls working for you for free if you remember. Do you remember the sites you set up. I know one of the models, that you did not pay, even though she made sales. She was fuming with you.

But I will tell you why. If she wanted to do webcam, she would.

Most escorts/prostitutes do not want there face showing. Not all are like your wife Nat who you pimp out.

Next what if things go wrong. Lets say she does webcam. But does not make as much as she expected. She may and probably will blame you, and expect you to compensate. Or she may even believe your fiddling her.

Its far easer not to get involved.

first, I ask you again to withdraw lies!

at no point has my partner Gary or I asked anyone to work with us for free. We have made contracts with all models & had 2257 signed everytime.

I would like you to prove your allegation!

With regards to escorts, prostitutes or any online female sex worker, they do not mind doing webcam even when not showing their face on images.

Your final point can be true, as you know from your first point that you have lied about!

Thanks for clearing the first point that you made up... the model made no money.

You really should stop your allegations about my partner & I!

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by baccybandit

I wont be approaching girls il be posting job offers online clearly stating to only contact me if they are over 18

once they have validated there age on cam holding up id,

i can explain fully the proposition.

if i can find new talent for cam sites, and the girl makes money from it.

and can find new girls for content producers on here, and the girl makes money from it then its win win and i get my cut aswell.

my plan is to stay well within the law and make a few quid not to get my rocks off

We spent 12k on a studio in Bournemouth, you can make a lot of money from live cam as a studio.

Personally, I would sign up as a studio to one of the live cam websites. They offer the models a job through your live cam site

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

creepy, like your offensive sig





professional

More like creepy in the way Gary you pretend to be your wife to get around the ban becase you posted underaged content on this forum.

Creepy as in the fact you lost your payment system because you put rape content on your site.

Creepy like you make Nat (your wife) be a prostitute for unprotected sex for just a few pounds.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

students are not dumb, but they are skint & can make good money without having photos & film posted all over the net of them

My point entirely.

[CurrentlySober]

baccybandit - as this thread is going off topic, email me if you like with any further questions - I'll try to help

ilikepoo AT ilikepoo DOT com

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

first, I ask you again to withdraw lies!

at no point has my partner Gary or I asked anyone to work with us for free. We have made contracts with all models & had 2257 signed everytime.

I would like you to prove your allegation!

With regards to escorts, prostitutes or any online female sex worker, they do not mind doing webcam even when not showing their face on images.

Your final point can be true, as you know from your first point that you have lied about!

Thanks for clearing the first point that you made up... the model made no money.

You really should stop your allegations about my partner & I!

No

You did not pay her.

You told her you had to keep her money because it cost you money to design the site (you designed it).

She posted all about it on a forum.

Shall I post a link to her posts where she points out you ripped her off?

So go fuck yourself Gary.

Fuck off.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

first, I ask you again to withdraw lies!

at no point has my partner Gary or I asked anyone to work with us for free. We have made contracts with all models & had 2257 signed everytime.

I would like you to prove your allegation!

With regards to escorts, prostitutes or any online female sex worker, they do not mind doing webcam even when not showing their face on images.

Your final point can be true, as you know from your first point that you have lied about!

Thanks for clearing the first point that you made up... the model made no money.

You really should stop your allegations about my partner & I!

I did not say you Gary (stop pretending your Nat) asked people to work for free. I stated that at least one model did shoots for a site you Gary set up. She got sales. But you did not pay her.

You gave her bullshit how you had lots of expenses.

She posted about it on a forum. She said you were a real creep Gary and you made her skin crawl.

She warned others to keep clear of you.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

My point entirely.

ahh fair play Paul. You're on the same thinking as Gary & I

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

baccybandit - as this thread is going off topic, email me if you like with any further questions - I'll try to help

ilikepoo AT ilikepoo DOT com

I know right... damn divvy trolling the thread again. I'm not going to rise to his shit. He's a nasty liar that's out to wreck anyone's business


Op, seems your thread's being trolled by the local ug bug divvy times.. don't worry about him. He's retarded & doesn't have an intelligent cell in his brain

[DVTimes]

Anyway, I am out of this thread as to be honest Gary makes me vomit.

[baccybandit]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

baccybandit - as this thread is going off topic, email me if you like with any further questions - I'll try to help

ilikepoo AT ilikepoo DOT com

thanks much appreciated!

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by baccybandit

thanks much appreciated!

also welcomed to Skype me anytime regarding cam sites, models & how to gain models. Obviously am a cam model, working on many sites & have owned a high street live cam studio, most models, wanting to work from their home, alas, some models, making much more money from studio set ups

[redwhiteandblue]

I still don't quite get why the girls wouldn't just be signing up to the cam sites themselves without you being involved?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

I still don't quite get why the girls wouldn't just be signing up to the cam sites themselves without you being involved?

it's quite a big step to sign up & send information off to a cam site. If the OP signs up as a studio, all his models shall be giving him the id and dealing with the profile sign up, they just need to cam. It can work & does work for the right people