My own insurance: Kaiser.

Before obama care: $1400 for shit. $2100 if I didn't want to pay for every damn thing. I pay for a family of three.

After: $1300 and it gives me the same level I used to have to pay $2100 to get.

I am happy.

Obabo openly supported the so called "syrian rebels" aka. ISIS, al-nusra/al-queda and FSA.
Responsible for the so called arab spring.
Fucked up Lybia (also see Benghazi).Right now bombing civilians in Yemen with the Saudis.
Still hasn't closed Guantanamo.
He is a war criminal.
He has damaged americans reputation way more than W.

:2 cents:

It is the baby boomers. Seriously this is a red herring.

Unemployment Is Low But More Workers Are Leaving the Workforce - US News

Ok I wish i could edit the above post. Yes, we have some serious wekaness in male employment participation that is not good. People have been left behind, especially men. I do not know that this is Obama's fault.

Some of this is the baby boomers. Some is the longer education path. But the over all point is there are jobs out there but they need skill sets that these folks don't have.

What I meant by a politician is business as usual, Trump has broken all the rules that any other politician would follow.

I just go by the facts, if you don't believe the facts and run on pure opinion

Actually, workforce participation rate for those above 55, which are the baby boomers is up.
in 1994, the rate was 30.1 , 2004 it was 36.2 and for 2014 it was 40%
Not a red herring like they would have you believe, just more excuses generated by the media without doing the research or just plain lying to you!

Civilian labor force participation rate by age, gender, race, and ethnicity

And if you had actually looked at the link you posted, it said the same thing

Yeah, as you can see...those numbers have nothing to do with people retiring. They are the stats of people who are in the age group of the workforce.

And no...I don't think Pres. Obama sat down with some kind of evil plan to cause that.
I do think that he didn't know what he was doing. He never ran anything in his life before. He had zero executive experience.
So he walked into a ruined economy. Started printing TRILLIONS of dollars (which has made our money pretty much worthless), and instead of concentrating on the economy and jobs...he went with: ObamaCare and wasted the first 2 years of his Presidency when he had complete control of govt. (Dem House & Senate).

That's the thing, we are losing the jobs that more people were trained to do. Those jobs need to come back. By changing the trade we do with other countries, we can do that. That is how Reagan did it to help Harley Davidson in the 80's and can be done for any business in the US.

Agreed, then lied and told everyone how great everything is by changing how a lot of stuff is calculated.

For instance he changed how deporting numbers were counted to include those turned away at the border to make his numbers of deportations look bigger than they were.
Before that, if an illegal alien was turned around within 100 miles of the border, they were not counted.
High deportation figures are misleading - LA Times

Then there was all the lies to get Obamacare passed

Ok, biting here, how can you compare 1990 pages of a bill to a bill with 70 pages?

Or maybe you want to compare the 33,000 pages of regulations of Obamacare, I'm trying to make this easy.

It's not the overall idea, it's the overall bureaucracy that doesn't work!

So in a debate of intelligent conversation, stick to the facts instead of the ready made liberal card reading ideals and come back with some facts, or just remain stupid in everyone's eyes!

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/im...EeKfVPP91wrK0g

Inside your bubble, this seems dumb to you. So I understand.

Here's the thing, when your opinion is proven wrong, you resort to insults. WHY? Because that's all you are left with, it's pathetic!

Argue the facts and prove you have any grey matter firing neurons in that head of yours, maybe come up with something besides we are all racist! LAMO

When your IQ gets above 100, give us a call

Again, you are the one saying that liberals think you are all racists. I don't believe anyone thinks all Republicans are racist. I believe the majority of racists define themselves as Republican, especially the ones in denial. However, I don't think that all Republicans are racist.

They just deny that the Republican party has a racist problem, which is exactly what you are doing now.

Quantitative easing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In late November 2008 ..."

Your comment has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare.

Health care has always increased over time, even before Obamacare = True.

However, your friend was already on a plan, so he was experiencing business as usual.

For the uninsured things are a completely different story. Uninsured doesn't mean homeless or an alcoholic or drug addict. Those terms are just uncalled for in this debate.

Monthly health care costs tripled and quadrupled practically over night for the uninsured looking to purchase. You also never mentioned anything about out of pocket expenses. You can see a doctor for around $70 a visit uninsured. What good is paying $300 a month and having to pay a $50 to $60 copay?

Lets talk about deductibles. $300 to $6500 practically overnight? That's not inflation.

How do you figure he made our money pretty much worthless?

The dollar is stronger now than it was when little bush was in office. Considerably more.

Trump is running for President = He is now a politician.

Obama is just a puppet.

As all presidents are. The question is, whose hands are up those politicians asses controlling the puppet show?

You said this....

Do you take anytime to reflect on what you are saying before hitting the submit button?

I don't think we can get that back in the bottle. The world is now flat. Also we would need to have a lower standard of living to do it. I am not sure the trade off is worth it. Just an opinion.

Obamacare was his and we will see if it ever bears fruit.

QE was the Federal Reserve. And I might be wrong but it did not work. They tried to devalue the dollar but it did not work. Inflation is still very low.

That, and the fact that Bush and Obama went straight for the "bailout" of wallstreet with TRILLIONS of dollars leaving the average citizen of this country high and dry as homes were foreclosed on by those very same banks being bailed out in record numbers.

And since we were already at 12 trillion in debt...they didn't actually have the money to do the bailout. So they just printed more. Just like they do every year when Congress raises the "Debt Ceiling.

The "Debt Ceiling"...what a FUCKING JOKE. It was passed into law a couple of decades back to STOP the govt. from spending too much.
Instead they simply raise it twice a year and keep right on spending and printing money. And if ANY politician tries to say "No" to raising the debt ceiling...then they are accused of "shutting down the govt."

And now we're closing in on 20 TRILLION dollars in debt.

That is how Washington D.C. operates. Double talk and bullshit. :(

I think a few billionaires arround the world (most of US).

You should try to get the plan you have now, it'll be $1400+ a month.

The ONLY good thing about that would be that the out of pocket expenses would be reasonable then.

I knew your reading comprehension was shit.

You lack the ability to think a consecutive thought.

People got bailed out by the back bailout.

Think about it and correct your own bullshit.

http://i.imgur.com/7akhu2R.png

https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/

https://www.fiverr.com/

Have luck!

Total illusion...... only thickos think its booming.

Reagan actually ruined our economy. You don't remember people walking away from their houses that they owed more on than they were worth? 1988, 1989 were horrible because of the damage Reagan did. 1990, 1991... lots of people got foreclosed on. It took Bill Clinton to fix it.

Bush ruined our economy. It took obama to fix it.

Republicans love off shoring. Bush signed NAFTA. Republican donors are people who don't care about the environment, your health, or whether you have a good paying job. You will still need the Koch brother's energy even if you are in jail, a hospital or a housing unit in the ghetto.

The Republican led congress is fucking up what could be done right now to improve your lives. They even admitted it happily. Do you not remember them saying they wouldn't allow anything good to be attributed to Obama? So they block even in funding of troops. If they really have a shit they would write a troop funding bill with nothing else attached to it.

Holy Fuck! We are over 100% of GDP. Folks, they need to crank up the printing press, or we go bankrupt. It is that simple. We will never ever grow our way out of this.

Any candidate who is talking about military spending increases is an idiot. Bernie Sanders has no clue, and no way to deal with this at all. Hilary's has proposed tax increases. Sorry folks, but we need them and we need them now.

Any Republican candidates even talking about this? I have not paid attention to all of them.

So Obama might be the guy who bankrupt America on his watch... Less good of a legacy.

Most economists will tell you that presidential policy has very little impact on the economy. In terms of importance, the president would rank a distant distant third behind market forces and the Fed. Even though the president names the chairman, the fed has always operated largely independent of the political process and every president since Reagan (and possibly before) has reappointed a head from the previous administration.

Volcker - nominated by Carter, reappointed by Reagan
Greenspan - nominated by Reagan, reappointed by Bush, Clinton, & Bush.
Bernanke - nominated by Bush, reappointed by Obama
Yellen - nominated by Obama, TBD

Playing the blame game is silly but if for some reason anyone feels the need to blame anyone for â??printing trillions of dollarsâ?? (aka quantitative easing), the person to blame is Bernanke, the chairman of the fed who was appointed by Bush and retained by Obama. Keep in mind that blaming the Grobama economy on Bush because Bush nominated Bernanke means you also have to credit Carter for the Reagan economy because Carter nominated Volcker.

The labor force participation rate is what it is because of market forces,

Globalization and technology driven automation obviously two big reasons.

Is there anyone out there who believes that Trump will somehow be able to stop people on GFY from hiring Indian SEO gurus, graphic designers from the Balkans, Filipino chatters, or Hungarian pornstars? Do you think the next president will be able to stop Eastern European programmers from programming bots to do any number of things which were formerly done by hand?

Another reason itâ??s back to what it was in in the 70s is because of the levelling off of female participation. The president has nothing to do with it.

http://cdn.static-economist.com/site...icipation2.png

Labour markets: The "quasi-structural" unemployment issue | The Economist

Reagan went in with a plan and got it implemented. Totally destroyed the economy. He wanted lower taxes. He did this by wiping out tax breaks on tons of stuff. So half the economy got devalued overnight. This killed real estate. The S&L's all went out of business. Very hard not to put that on him.

Please explain what it is that I misunderstood about your comment. I certainly wasn't trying to be a dick or confrontational in anyway to you.

Housing market is back up and continues to climb. Stock market is back up. People who lost 35-50% of their value in IRA's when the recession hit, have seen that money return and continue to gain value.

Which doesn't have anything to do with what I said

Let's revisit exactly what you said....

So you mentioned something good to Reagan did, and he mentioned something bad that Reagan did. Seems to have a lot to with what you said.

But this is where the problem is. Reagan helped to bail out Harley Davidson in the 1980s (I did not know this) and it's celebrated. Obama - when we needed the help the most - bailed out the auto industry (and others) and the Republican party bitched and complained. Why is it okay for a Republican to do, but not okay for a Democrat?

If Romney became President and pushed for Romenycare, it would have been accepted by Republicans. But because it was a Democratic president, Republicans fought it tooth and nail. Still to this day they continue to fight it even though it's working. This is just basic common sense - take the hit and admit defeat, instead of reminding everyone that the Republicans lost that battle. Even if Republicans get what they want and bring an end to Obamacare, they will still loose because millions of people will loose their healthcare.

We need to do the right thing for the right reasons, not fight the right thing because the other party thought of it first.

I totally agree with everything you just said in regards to Obama can do no right in the eyes of a Republican, however, I strongly disagree that Obamacare is working. In fact, i think healthcare is more fucked than its ever been. I certainly don't blame that on Obama though, that is just a product of how fucked an corrupt our political system is. Granted, its a lot better than many other countries in the world, but healthcare is a complete mess.