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Harley Davidson was helped with tariffs against imports The auto industry was bailed out with money that was never paid back completely Two completely different things RomneyCare and Obamacare are not the same thing and I don't really care, I just want something that works, Obamacare does not live up to the promises made, so this makes no difference either. We need do the right thing the RIGHT WAY, learning from history should be the first step. That's why I brought up how Reagan decided to deal with a trade problem and helped an american company In the end Rochard, I don't give a shit about Republican vs Democrat, I just want something that works, what Obama has done doesn't work and blaming the other side is ridiculous!! He's a weak leader and not the first president to have to deal with the other side not liking him or his administration, the difference is that the other dealt with it. He has the lowest average approval rating since Carter, never has a president been so hated in recent history! |
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In case anyone hasn't figured this out yet, the US healthcare system is seriously broken. I mean seriously fucked up. Obamacare isn't going to fix it over night. It's a starting point, and needs to be improved from here. But getting rid of Obamacare and started from scratch isn't going to fix anything. |
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http://www.pewresearch.org/files/201...l_year5to8.png Using another graph from the Wall Street Journal shows that Obama's low points were still higher than both Bushs: http://content.screencast.com/users/...02-01_1109.png (source) No matter what the truth is, you will complain about Obama. |
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Trying to correct the over 20,000 pages of regulation, it would be easier to start over |
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Final tally: Taxpayers auto bailout loss $9.3B Quote:
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here's a list going back to Truman http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/pr...cs-trends.aspx Harry Truman April 1945-January 1953 45.4 Dwight Eisenhower January 1953-January 1961 65.0 John Kennedy January 1961-November 1963 70.1 Lyndon Johnson November 1963-January 1969 55.1 Richard Nixon January 1969-August 1974 49.0 Gerald Ford August 1974-January 1977 47.2 Jimmy Carter January 1977-January 1981 45.5 Ronald Reagan January 1981-January 1989 52.8 George H.W. Bush January 1989-January 1993 60.9 Bill Clinton January 1993-January 2001 55.1 George W. Bush January 2001-January 2009 49.4 and here is the average approval rating of Obama http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/ba...-approval.aspx it's 47% which is just above Carter and lower than both Bushes, Clinton, Reagan That's recent history |
And you are right, I don't care about Dems vs Repubs, I don't like the president
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And yes, it took twenty thousand pages of regulations to do it. It's a huge law that has to take into account laws from fifty states. |
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According to the WHO, The United States ranks 37th in the world in health care. Interestingly enough, Cuba, a nation that has lived under US embargo for the past 50 years, ranks only two places behind us at 39. This is a place that has had no internet, and people are still driving around cars from the 50's. Another interesting fact...almost every single country ranked in the top 26 have universal health care. That is a pretty fucking sobering fact right there. FREE fucking health care. Another interesting fact. Although we are ranked 37th, we are ranked number 1 in per capita expenditure. Where the fuck does all that money go? Straight into the pockets of politicians and the CEOs of health insurance companies. Let us also not forget about the doctors who rape the system every fucking day, over billing and working the system. Tell me, how in the fuck does a man who was the head of a health insurance company, that was convicted of defrauding the government, and made to pay 1.7 billion dollars in fines (at the time, the largest case of fraud in US history), get to be the governor of one of the most heavily populated states in the country? Ill tell you how.... dumb and blind patriotic loyalty. Marinate on that for a bit. |
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Which is the same or better as... Bush 49% Carter 45% Ford 47% Nixon 49% So if you change the basic requirement of "all time average" and then compare it to other modern day presidents, Obama is equal to or better than four other Presidents, none of whom had to face the economic disaster Obama has faced? Then compare his low to the other lows.... Obama 41% Bush 22% Clinton 38% Bush 29% Reagan 35% Carter 38% Ford 37% Nixon 24% Johnson 35% http://www.pewresearch.org/files/201...oval_hi_lo.png |
Funny how a guy who is an employee and doesn't pay for his own insurance thinks Obamacare is just fine. :(
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Richard, read it again, it's 47. term average to date.
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Also...the housing market may be another bubble according to some of the reports I've seen on financial shows on cable. It might be completely artificial because of the Fed keeping interest rates so low. I hope the hell I'm wrong about that. My home cost me $720,000 in 2008. And a month later it dropped to $480,000 when the crash hit. It's just now up to $515,000 after 7 years of Obama's "recovery". I hope the housing market will continue to climb. But it's FAR from being "back up". Very far. |
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I don't know if those numbers are right.
They show Pres. Johnson with a 55.1 approval rating. And yet....he's the guy who REAL liberals basically ran out of office over the Vietnam War. Most of you are too young to remember the "I will not run" speech he gave when he could have ran for a second term. Johnson was hated during his Presidency. There were MAJOR protests and rioting against him during his tenure in office. |
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It is entirely possible we may see another housing bubble, but for completely different reasons. However, that doesn't mean that the national average of home values has not risen. Consider yourself fortunate. You could have lost a whole lot more if you had purchased that same home a year and a half earlier. I don't know what the local circumstances are in your area, but market values for housing are different region by region. Personally I never lost any money on my home. Just before the bubble, my home was worth almost double of what I paid. At the lowest point, it was worth the same of what I paid, and today it is valued 35% more then what I paid. As far as the economy goes, we could be in worse shape than what we are now. |
I would say that the stock market is right there with the housing market...all of it is being artificially stimulated by low interest rates and the Fed cranking out new money from thin air.
I'm worried that along with the almost unfathomable national debt...we might be in for an economic crash of gargantuan size. We certainly haven't "recovered" from the 2008 housing market crash which almost brought the whole economy down. This has been the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression. And I just don't feel confident in Washington D.C. being able to manage this. Remember the President told us all that the summer of 2009 was going down in history as "The Summer Of Recovery". :( When I see our politicians dreaming up NEW ways to spend money instead of stopping spending...it tells me that they are either incompetent or complete crooks (I lean toward the latter). |
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"Last month, the rescue of the auto industry officially came to an end," Obama said Jan. 7 in Detroit. "The auto companies have now repaid taxpayers every dime and more of what my administration invested in." Obama says automakers have paid back all the loans it got from his admin 'and more' | PolitiFact Is this not true? |
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True Obama success story right there :thumbsup. |
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The govt. took stock from the company in return for the bailout and then sold the stock over time to recover money. The "bailout" was really the federal govt. theoretically taking taxpayer money (but actually just printing money because we are so far in debt) and buying stock in the automakers. Also...if you read that link you posted to politifact (which I'm guessing that you didn't as usual)...you will see that the auto bailout began under Bush and continued under Obama. So Obama (as usual) cooked the books and is only counting the amount that the federal govt. gave the auto makers under his watch. The FACT is that when you count the ENTIRE auto bailout...the feds lost several billion dollars. Try reading the article you linked to instead of just the headline. |
I hope Rubio wins, he looks like a nice guy, a real persons person, a peoples person, a true president to make things better for his country & the rest of the world :2 cents:
http://www.prunejuicemedia.com/wp-co...co-Rubio-1.jpg I heard he's in 10th place :( |
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Compare the auto bailout to the bank bailout. Who do you think fucked the taxpayers the most? What do you think your house would be worth now without the bank bailout? I have to admit, that article wasn't the greatest example of displaying how great the auto bailout was, but even at it's worst, its still better than what the banks did. Lets just focus on the bad shit, and ignore the good stuff though. That article focuses on what Bush gave them and didn't get back, and blames the Obama admin, because they "suggested" it was a good idea before Bush left office. Yes, the government sold stock... so they recovered money. Does it have to be in crisp 100 dollar bills, packed in suitcases, delivered in armored cars? |
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