morpheus123

And you will not believe who it is!

How?

These FUCKING 'SPONSORS' ARE NOT PAYING US!!!!!! Call me a 'newbie' but I'm not stupid.

If a company says it will pay me 35 bucks if a person 'signs up' I believed it and I worked my ass off promoting their site and hoping to get

paid once I made the sale.

Here is their SCHEME against us hard-working webmasters:

1. They promise a .03 cents per blind click or $35 per sale - this is too good to be true guys! They use this to rope us in and promote

their sites! Wake up and smell the coffee.

This business model IS NOT FUCKING POSSIBLE. You cannot pay a webmaster $35 per $6.95 sale and stay in business for more that 3 months

based on the exponential nature of the internet. Our niche site had 75,000 hits in 3.5 weeks!!!!!!!

Any fucking Harvard business school graduate or street smart drug dealer would tell us that we are being ripped off left, right and center.


These fuckers are SHAVING legitimate sales to stay afloat.

How do I know this?

I fucking passed out my URL to all my friends - and I have hundred of them and 3 told me that I should be a very happy man. Why? Because

they each purchased subscriptions from 3 DIFFERENT SPONSORS!

I FUCKING NEVER GOT CREDIT FOR ANY OF THESE SALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They even showed me their credit card statements and even logged on to the sites - passwords and everything!!!!!!!


THIS IS HOW I AM GOING TO GET EVEN:

Over the next 3 months, I am going to put up a website and keep track of these assholes. And If I don't get credit, I'll post up the fucking


URL of the asshole cheater sponsor. so we webmasters can stop promoting them.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Some words on NEX-CASH: Nex-cash's website is still up, the blind links promoted are nice and deeply embedded in search engines, now these

fuckers can really give a flying fuck about us!

They [ NEX-CASH ] are promoting a third party ( here: wegcash.com)- and when the 'contract' is up, they bolt, BUT THE WEBSITES 9 of

wegcash.com) ARE STILL UP AND RUNNING!!!!!!!!!

THE WEBSITES PROMOTED COULD GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT US, BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH NEX-CASH!


One sponsor site of NEX-CASH is:

1. www.wegcash.com - THE ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jakke PNG

right.

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BRISK

Thanks for the info. I'm gonna shut down my sites now and look for a new job.

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Well if sponsors didn't shave now and them I'm sure they'd all be broke by now. There's always people screaming about being ripped off, shaved, cheated etc. Think about it this way, you're still making more than you would if you were surfing with your finger shoved up your ass.. Unless you make the big dollars, in all honesty, a few bucks here and there won't make a huge difference, will it?

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mule

Wow!
No wonder I'm bankrupt! Shit, thanks, bro! I'd never have thought of that. I've been losing money steadily for the last 3 years now, and it's all the sponsors fault!
Who woulda thunk it

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Tuga

Interesting... you called this thing "shaving", right? This could be a problem

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im sure you are right

Ross

McDonalds?

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blazi

I'd title this subgect 'Anal Fucked' or 'Boot Fucked' before I called it 'Red Alert'

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ZoiNk

Damn, all the sponsors are shaving and not crediting sales? Guess I should just throw out all these cheques I get daily then! Been doing this fulltime for 4 years, sorry you got screwed, but there are a hell of a lot of honest sponsors out there.
ZoiNk

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LiveCam

your right !


Fuck the world !



become a sponsor iz the way

DannyW

Please can we try and keep bad language off this board.

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genomega

I learned the hard way. Use more than one sponsor then you can sort them out.

Ray@TastyDollars

Some do $have, i think . However if they do, I dont think they'd $have 100%. You said each friend bought at 3 sponsors and not one sale showed up? Im sorry that does not make any sense. If you baught 5 and only 4 showed up then that would make sense, hehe.


Ray

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freeme

Buzzzzzzzzzzz

Shaveeeeeeeeee

they ALL do it

welcome to the industry

mule

Are you sure your ref-codes don't all say "paste your code here" or something like that?

*grin*

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HardProfits

Shaving is a thing of the past if you find the right sponsor

Also, shaving is only necessary when as a sponsor you pay mega $$$ for a lousy free or low cost trial

You are absolutely right morpheus123, the business model is impossible, but there are so many webmasters in this industry that think that $2.95 = $40

Or the other way to look at it is this. You can get paid $40 for $2.95, just as long as the sponsor in question can rip the surfer off $50 in BS charges (or the sponsor forgets to cancel the memberships upon request by the surfer)

And to be honest, do you want to support a sponsor with less than reasonably respectible billing credentials?

This year, Visa and MasterCard are going to be hammering our industry good and hard. Sponsors who are not playing by the rules now, are getting black marks against their URL's, and they dont even know it is happening

Three little letters will send shivers down the spines of many a sponsor this year - "TMF"




Seeing as you are a newbie morpheus123

TMF = Terminated Merchant File

3Xguru

Use new and less known sponsors. They shave less.

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HardProfits

Use sponsors with a auditable system of accounts - ie systems that cant shave

Carrie

I don't think they've made a system that can't be shaved.
And I will never understand the complacency with the shaving that *does* go on - "just go with the sponsor that does it the least", or "so what? you still make more money here than anywhere else..."
Since when is it okay to get ripped off? If this were your accountant slicing a zero off of your numbers and keeping it for himself, would that be okay because you still had money left?
If your housekeeper was bringing in the groceries you just bought and only brought in 4 of the 7 bags of food and kept the other three for herself, would that be okay?
That's *your* money, that's *your* food - both of them are equivalent to keeping food off of your children's table.
Why is this okay?

Not saying I believe the original post - I just don't understand the "It's okay to steal from me" attitude that is so prevalent in this industry.

Tuga

Just think of it as getting 27$ per sale instead of $30. Or something.

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DamnGoodRatio

Well buddy, you found the big pink elephant. The gig is up. Back to selling crack for me.

You are also making incorrect assumptions. Does every website pay $35 on $7 trials? No. Do the sponsors shave every single sale? No. Can you even be sure that your three friends did not have a cookie set from a previous visit to the site, therefore crediting the sale to another webmaster? No. Are you a wet behind the ears newb? Yes.

Go Fuck Yourself!

KRL

Its fucked up how truly stupid some webmasters are.

I would need several extra hands to count all the friends and associates in this biz who have made millions of dollars from it.

Its very lucrative if you play the game, network well, are creative and stay ahead of the pack when new trends hit, do your homework and your daily promotion work diligently, understand marketing inside out, and know how to run a business.

If you can't become a millionaire from porn, despite all the trickiness in this industry, (and yes it does go on just like every other frickin industry in the world), then you don't know what the fuck you're doing and should hook up with someone who does till you have acquired enough knowledge and skills to do it right on your own.

Clueless, simply clueless . . . .

HardProfits

Try $12 per sale instead of $30

And Carrie there are plenty of systems that dont shave. You probably wont use them because you think you will earn less money with them (which I believe to be incorrect)

All Sponsors that use an IPSP for their stats dont shave. And in the majority of those cases the deal is "RevShare"

brutus

Brutus does not shave - I know all of my webmasters and they know me. How they can be sure? If they visit here / or I visit em - I show everything including main stats from processor(s). Know the people you are deling with. No problem. Of course there could be issue about cookeis etc., but sometimes there's no working solution.

Rand

Affiliates themselves have created the shaving problem by running to whatever sponsor has the highest pay per sign-up. This forced programs to have to compete in an area that can be un-profitable without shaving or other tactics. It's that money-up-front-at-all-costs mentatilty that brought this problem. Welcome to the world you created for yourself.

It's too bad it got so outta control. Probably caused a lot of good clean programs to have to do things they would never have considered until it meant survival of their biz. The repercussions of this phenomenon are felt at every level of the industry. But now that the genie is out of the bottle what do you do?

Now that could be a productive discussion.

My

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NastyJack

Check your link code - bet you fucked up.

We all do it so it's no big deal!

tony286

I cant believe someone can say that, Shaving is stealing lol. If you have a agreement that you bring customers to a business and if they buy from that business you get paid. If they are paying to too much for that ,then they have to fix their business model not fuck affiliates lol. Also affiliates that sign up for sponsors that offer $45 a free signup are helping the end of the business we love. For you to get paid $45 for a free sign up that means a customer has to get fucked and when there is no more cc processing in the USA for adult. Everyone can go back to day jobs and for the young ones that never worked day jobs, thats where adults shit on you all day long for little money and you have to smile.

bauhaus

I love it how the guy with the $105 per active member in his program....is saying that $40 dollar payouts are misleading and impossible.

Yes Yes I know if I read your terms it will explain how it all works out.....but $105 per sale is pretty damn misleading

Good to know that sales are only valued at $12 according to you

or to quote
Or the other way to look at it is this. You can get paid $40 for $2.95, just as long as the sponsor in question can rip the surfer off $50 in BS charges (or the sponsor forgets to cancel the memberships upon request by the surfer)

You are actually making very valid points I agree with all of them, problem is you have fallen into the same trap with your program you are arguing very well against....... maybe time for a new banner $12 per sale

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DarkJedi

i bet he didn't change the ref code when he ripped someones gallery

Paul Markham

So let me see if I have this right.

You went into business without looking into the business model of the company you were promoting. When you thought youy were being ripped off you then looked at it and saw what they were offering was impossible.

So why did you start up with them?

They had the best deal on paper you could find and you took it without thinking.

You got what you deserved.

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chupacabra

chupacash never shaves its webmasters, we love you guys more than life itself! even if it costs *us* money to do business w/ you, we don't care, because were cool like that..!

Briscoe

Maybe I should sell shaving software to these affiliates.

"Why payout, when you can shave!"

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you mean EVERYONE in the Adult industry isn't TOTALLY honest and trustworthy????????????????

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tony286

Maybe thats a problem that should be worked on instead of being accepted as thats the way it is lol.

Kimmykim

Oh for Gods sake, it is perfectly possible to pay out 35 bucks on a 3 dollar trial and stay in business as well as profit, sorry to burst your bubble morpheus.

I'm sure there are sponsors that shave, some of them blatantly, but let's don't paint everyone with the same brush.

ZoiNk

I have been told by two different sponsors "If I paid out more then $30 a signup, then I would have to shave". Simple as that. And yes, there is affiliate software out there with built in shaving, but the majority of sponsors don't shave, or ones even with the software that can't shave don't have that activated. Easiest way to not be shaved, use a sponsor you can trust, simple as that. The top trusted ones in my books (Without ref codes) are Topbucks and Pornkings. Why topbucks? Used them forever, consistant ratios, but they are doing more and more to get them even lower (1:80 last period with mixed traffic). Normially it is around 1:150 though if I look over a period, or multiple years. Pornkings, b/c I am converting under 1:30 with them on raw hits. If they were shaving, then fuck, I don't care, they motherfucking convert my traffic, and they count raw hits everytime I hit one of their sites.
ZoiNk

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Cindyff

I have been in this business 5 years and your conclusions are correct that is why we changed to promoting only companies who pay through Epoch or Ibill that way we are certain that we get 100% of the money due to us and on time as well, even Ibill pay us on time.
So change to an affiliate program like http://www.busty2.com which makes us a very good living at 60% on all sales or something similar that pays you guys through Epoch and you will get more bucks for you hard work in the long run .

Cindyxx

DarkJedi

yes. start working on it

tony286

We run a honest business, I am a big fan of Karma.

Shok

aww now that's not very nice
I'm sending Gabe over right away with his blue sequined dress to give you a lap dance.

Kimmykim

Oh fuck no, he's coming to MY house in that get up first!

foreverjason

I do agree alot of the sponsors do shave, but this is nothing new. We have known this for a long time.

You will find the mom and pop sites like makingbacon.com and 420girls.com, sites which pay you 50% recurring income rather than huge upfront commissions are usually more legitmate.

Gabriel

coming KK, or cuming?

ToyBoys

Good point Rand!
you hit that on the money

Thinking that you are getting paid more per signups isn't the answer, a good recurring program will prob get you farther

TondaB

Dear Morpheus123,

I am the Sales and Marketing Director for Web Entertainment Group Inc. I have reviewed your post. Putting aside whatever issues you may have with Nex-cash, Web Entertainment has been in business for over 6 years. Any of our affiliates, who honor our terms and conditions, will tell you that we honor our commitments with all of our affiliates. That is how we stay in business and how we maintain our excellent reputation with webmasters.

We have absolutely no co-branding agreement with Nex-Cash! Nex-Cash is an affiliate like any other affiliates that sign up on our affiliate site, www.wegcash.com. Please contact me immediately if Nex-Cash or anyone else represented to you that they have any kind of a relationship with us regarding co-branding or any other agreement that obligates us to pay anyone but Nex-Cash for traffic sent to us by Nex-Cash. Your beef seems to be with Nex-Cash and not with Web Entertainment.

As far as your statement that the payments we promise to affiliates do not work as a business model you are totally incorrect. Our proprietary affiliate program works, we pay our affiliates on time every time and the statements you have made are quite simply wrong! Please feel free to contact me if you wish to discuss our affiliate program.

As an aside, we went to nex-cash.com and they send the traffic to our various sites. Each of these sites has a place for webmasters to signup directly with WEGCash. Not that we are trying to solicit your business but you are not an affiliate of Web Entertainment. Whatever deal you have with Nex-Cash is between you and Nex-Cash. However we do not like to see our name tarnished in our industry in anyway. We are therefore copying this post and emailing it to Nex-Cash with the instruction that they either resolve this matter with you or demonstrate to us that your complaints are not well founded. If neither of these things happens we will take appropriate action.

If you have further questions regarding this matter, please feel free to call me.

Sincerely,

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