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Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598101)

You keep making claims, without any citations to back up your claims.

Here is the Nevada law regarding private firearms sales:

NRS 202.362  Sale or disposal of firearm or ammunition to certain persons prohibited; penalty; exceptions.

1.  Except as otherwise provided in subsection 3, a person within this State shall not sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to another person if he or she has actual knowledge that the other person:

(a) Is under indictment for, or has been convicted of, a felony in this or any other state, or in any political subdivision thereof, or of a felony in violation of the laws of the United States of America, unless the other person has received a pardon and the pardon does not restrict his or her right to bear arms;

(b) Is a fugitive from justice;

(c) Has been adjudicated as mentally ill or has been committed to any mental health facility; or

(d) Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.

NRS: CHAPTER 202 - CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY

There is nothing in that law making an MP5 or class 3 exemption. No ID required for these private sales...no background check for these private sales...class 3 or otherwise. The only thing legally preventing these private sales is if the seller has ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE. Well guess what, if the seller is determined to make a sale, it is in his best financial interest to avoid gaining that actual knowledge.
You're obviously smart enough to type shit into google and cut and paste it here. Research Class 3 transfers, which is Federal.

Better yet, just get a fucking MP5 (if you could even afford it) and go try to sell it to some guy at a gun show so we wont have to see you for 20 years. Just tell the federal judge that what you did was legal.

Not going to argue anymore with an idiot. Look the shit up.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20598119)
You're obviously smart enough to type shit into google and cut and paste it here. Research Class 3 transfers, which is Federal.

Better yet, just get a fucking MP5 (if you could even afford it) and go try to sell it to some guy at a gun show so we wont have to see you for 20 years. Just tell the federal judge that what you did was legal.

Not going to argue anymore with an idiot. Look the shit up.

I already cited the federal law governing private firearm transfers...class 3 or otherwise.

I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 05:55 PM
"PRIVATE PARTY TRANSFERS

By Federal law, when Person A wants to sell a gun to Person B, there is almost nothing that has to be done. By law, Person A must not be under the suspicion that Person B is not legally allowed to own guns. So long as Person A has no reason to believe that Person B is not allowed to own guns, and they are of proper age, then the sale commences. That is 100% legal under Federal law. Some states, such as California, require background checks for private party transfers. Even though it is legal to sell your buddy a gun at his house by Federal law, it is illegal under California state law to do so -unless both the buyer and seller show up to a gun shop or other FFL and do the background check, paperwork, and waiting period."

https://americanrifleman.wordpress.c...nd-other-laws/

So in Nevada (and a bunch of other States), the hypo I posted above works.

Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598131)
"PRIVATE PARTY TRANSFERS

By Federal law, when Person A wants to sell a gun to Person B, there is almost nothing that has to be done. By law, Person A must not be under the suspicion that Person B is not legally allowed to own guns. So long as Person A has no reason to believe that Person B is not allowed to own guns, and they are of proper age, then the sale commences. That is 100% legal under Federal law. Some states, such as California, require background checks for private party transfers. Even though it is legal to sell your buddy a gun at his house by Federal law, it is illegal under California state law to do so -unless both the buyer and seller show up to a gun shop or other FFL and do the background check, paperwork, and waiting period."

https://americanrifleman.wordpress.c...nd-other-laws/

So in Nevada (and a bunch of other States), the hypo I posted above works.
An MP5 is a machine gun, and no, your situation does not cover that.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20598138)
An MP5 is a machine gun, and no, your situation does not cover that.



So an MP5 is not a gun...it's a machine gun. That's your argument? That's like saying a Chevy 4x4 is not a truck...it's a four wheel drive truck. LOL

Anyhow:

"I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you. "

DBS.US 10-06-2015 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598144)



So an MP5 is not a gun...it's a machine gun. That's your argument? That's like saying a Chevy 4x4 is not a truck...it's a four wheel drive truck. LOL

Anyhow:

"I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you. "
YOU SHOULD STOP NOW, YOU KILLING ME:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Rob 10-06-2015 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598144)



So an MP5 is not a gun...it's a machine gun. That's your argument? That's like saying a Chevy 4x4 is not a truck...it's a four wheel drive truck. LOL

Anyhow:

"I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you. "
Jesus Herbert Christ. It's illegal to transfer a fully automatic weapon, aka, a machine gun. You can do straw purchases (private party transfers) all day long for semi-automatics like AR-15, AK-47, shotguns, hunting rifles, etc. You need a special stamp and permit to even own a fully automatic weapon. And if you're caught with one, the penalty is pretty stiff.

An MP5 is a fully automatic weapon therefore it doesn't fall under any guidelines for private transfer regulations. Simply stated, you cannot legally transfer it without the other person going through the proper channels through the ATF. And from what I understand, you can't even have a low level misdemeanor on your record to be approved.

Hopefully that clears it up and the back and forth can stop.

candyflip 10-06-2015 07:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598144)



So an MP5 is not a gun...it's a machine gun. That's your argument? That's like saying a Chevy 4x4 is not a truck...it's a four wheel drive truck. LOL

Anyhow:

"I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you. "
Jesus Christ. Do you just like to see your words typed out in pink in front of you.

What a fucking moron. Seriously. Just give up. Like now.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598153)
Jesus Herbert Christ. It's illegal to transfer a fully automatic weapon, aka, a machine gun. You can do straw purchases (private party transfers) all day long for semi-automatics like AR-15, AK-47, shotguns, hunting rifles, etc. You need a special stamp and permit to even own a fully automatic weapon. And if you're caught with one, the penalty is pretty stiff.

An MP5 is a fully automatic weapon therefore it doesn't fall under any guidelines for private transfer regulations. Simply stated, you cannot legally transfer it without the other person going through the proper channels through the ATF. And from what I understand, you can't even have a low level misdemeanor on your record to be approved.

Hopefully that clears it up and the back and forth can stop.

The HK MP5 can be purchased in semi-auto config.

Rob 10-06-2015 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598183)

The HK MP5 can be purchased in semi-auto config.
No it can't. You can buy clones like the HK94, but not an actual HK MP5. If I recall correctly, the only two position MP5 (safe and semi) was developed and sold specifically to Navy special forces back in the 80's or maybe 90's.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598189)
No it can't. You can buy clones like the HK94, but not an actual HK MP5. If I recall correctly, the only two position MP5 (safe and semi) was developed and sold specifically to Navy special forces back in the 80's or maybe 90's.
Yeah, H&K exports semi-auto versions of their MP5:

Heckler and Koch fans rejoice! H&K company has been listening to you. A Document received by TFB, dated a week ago, show that Heckler & Koch GmbH (Germany) applied to Germany?s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) to sell a semi-automatic version of the famous H&K MP5K and H&K MP5SD on the civilian market. The application was approved by the Police with some caveats. The new guns are called the HK SP5k and HK SC5SD.


Exclusive: H&K Semi-Automatic HK SP5k (MP5K) and HK SC5SD (MP5SD) - The Firearm Blog

Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598198)
The new guns are called the HK SP5k and HK SC5SD.
What part dont you understand?

Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 07:45 PM
Are you like Rochard, who believes that the M16 and AR15 are the same shit?

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20598201)
What part dont you understand?

No part. They are semi-auto version of the MP5

Rob 10-06-2015 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598198)
Like I said, clones. They're not an MP5 at all. By classification an MP5 is a SUBMACHINE GUN. Makes no sense having a semi-auto 9mm. Might as well just buy a handgun. :2 cents:

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598204)
Like I said, clones. They're not an MP5 at all. By classification an MP5 is a SUBMACHINE GUN. Makes no sense having a semi-auto 9mm. Might as well just buy a handgun. :2 cents:
So all these guys are selling an semi-auto MP5 which in reality does not even exist right?


"The HK SD Semi-Automatic Rifle is the full-time suppressed version of the MP5 submachine gun. It includes the SD-style forearm, retractable stock and integral compensator. The HK MP5 SD Semi-Automatic Rifle in .22 L.R. is manufactured exclusively by Walther under license from HK. It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. Caliber - .22 Long Rifle Mag Capacity - 25 rnds Weight w/out Mag - 5.9 lbs Overall Length - 26.8–33.8 in Barrel Length - 16.1 in Barrel Twist - 1 in 13-3/4 in Grooves - 6 Operation - Blowback Front Sight - Interchangeable Posts Rear Sight - Adjustable Wind & Elevation"

Semi Auto Rifles for Sale - Buy Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com

noshit 10-06-2015 07:49 PM
Best case scenerio... take away the guns from the ones that want us to give up ours.
No more armed security for the parasitical elite.
Let's see if they last more than 30 minutes.

In Fact, the ONLY gun restriction should be on anybody and everybody that has ties to the federal government :2 cents:

Rob 10-06-2015 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598205)
So all these guys are selling an semi-auto MP5 which in reality does not even exist right?


"The HK SD Semi-Automatic Rifle is the full-time suppressed version of the MP5 submachine gun. It includes the SD-style forearm, retractable stock and integral compensator. The HK MP5 SD Semi-Automatic Rifle in .22 L.R. is manufactured exclusively by Walther under license from HK. It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. Caliber - .22 Long Rifle Mag Capacity - 25 rnds Weight w/out Mag - 5.9 lbs Overall Length - 26.8–33.8 in Barrel Length - 16.1 in Barrel Twist - 1 in 13-3/4 in Grooves - 6 Operation - Blowback Front Sight - Interchangeable Posts Rear Sight - Adjustable Wind & Elevation"

Semi Auto Rifles for Sale - Buy Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com

Dude, I'm tapping out of this conversation. You just don't get it. Do you know what, "HK MP5 SD 22LR" stands for? It stands for .22 long rifle...it's a modified version -- A FUCKING REPLICA of an MP5.

This is copied from the description YOU pasted:

"It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. " -- and it's made by Walther, not HK.

Jesus man, are you even reading this shit or just seeing the headline and copy/pasting it?

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598207)
Dude, I'm tapping out of this conversation. You just don't get it. Do you know what, "HK MP5 SD 22LR" stands for? It stands for .22 long rifle...it's a modified version -- A FUCKING REPLICA of an MP5.

This is copied from the description YOU pasted:

"It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. "

Jesus man, are you even reading this shit or just seeing the headline and copy/pasting it?

"The HK MP5 SD Semi-Automatic Rifle in .22 L.R. is manufactured exclusively by Walther under license from HK"

So the HK MP5 SD is not an MP5, even though that is what the manufacturer calls it under license from HK? LOL ok

noshit 10-06-2015 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598207)
This is copied from the description YOU pasted:

"It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. " -- and it's made by Walther, not HK.

Jesus man, are you even reading this shit or just seeing the headline and copy/pasting it?
You wasted too much time on that lady.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 08:03 PM
Oh, here's a gun dealer that is selling a semi-auto MP5...a firearm that allegedly does not exist LOL

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ima...ct/umerxhk.jpg

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com....html?Itemid=0

oppoten 10-06-2015 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 20594680)
Anyone who makes this a gun thing is a complete fucking idiot.
I think they like talking about weapons.

Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by noshit (Post 20598209)
You wasted too much time on that lady.
Well, noshit

Rochard 10-06-2015 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20598202)
Are you like Rochard, who believes that the M16 and AR15 are the same shit?
Same exact thing. From Wikipedia:

After modifications (most notably the relocation of the charging handle from under the carrying handle to the rear of the receiver), the redesigned rifle was adopted by the United States military as the M16 rifle. In 1963, Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian use and the term has been used to refer to semiautomatic-only versions of the rifle since then.

Deej 10-06-2015 08:42 PM
This argument over an mp5 can't possibly be real...

Seriously.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 08:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20598223)
Same exact thing. From Wikipedia:

After modifications (most notably the relocation of the charging handle from under the carrying handle to the rear of the receiver), the redesigned rifle was adopted by the United States military as the M16 rifle. In 1963, Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian use and the term has been used to refer to semiautomatic-only versions of the rifle since then.


It's a common tactic used to shift away from the fact that many States require no background check whatsoever for private party gun sales at gun shows. Instead of discussing that issue, they want to get into a pedantic argument as to firearm nomenclature...and they are often wrong about that too as evinced in this thread.

Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20598223)
Same exact thing. From Wikipedia:

After modifications (most notably the relocation of the charging handle from under the carrying handle to the rear of the receiver), the redesigned rifle was adopted by the United States military as the M16 rifle. In 1963, Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian use and the term has been used to refer to semiautomatic-only versions of the rifle since then.

If it's the same, why do they call it something different?

If something is a different version... it's not the same.

Jesus... fuck... you guys make my fucking head hurt. It's like talking to a pigeon.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 08:58 PM
Oh here's another hypo that would work at gun shows in Nevada and some other states:

Criminal: Gee I would love to buy that Sig Sauer P320 from you. But you are a licensed gun dealer right? And to buy from you I would need to go through a background check right? I don't want to do all that.

Licensed gun dealer: Yes that is correct. But don't worry, if you don't want to go through a background check, you can still buy some of my guns that are in my "personal collection". These guns are not part of my business inventory, so you are not required to go through a background check to buy these guns right over here ...as long as I have no knowledge that you can't legally own guns (wink wink).

Deej 10-06-2015 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598230)
Oh here's another hypo that would work at gun shows in Nevada and some other states:

Criminal: Gee I would love to buy that Sig Sauer P320 from you. But you are a licensed gun dealer right? And to buy from you I would need to go through a background check right? I don't want to do all that.

Licensed gun dealer: Yes that is correct. But don't worry, if you don't want to go through a background check, you can still buy some of my guns that are in my "personal collection". These guns are not part of my business inventory, so you are not required to go through a background check to buy these guns right over here (wink wink).
so sell me an AA-12 with a suppressor from your private collection.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 20598232)
so sell me an AA-12 with a suppressor from your private collection.

I'm not a gun dealer. But if I was, I could do what I just mentioned in the hypo.

Deej 10-06-2015 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598233)

I'm not a gun dealer. But if I was, I could do what I just mentioned in the hypo.
This is where we choose to disagree. Everything I've learned and known has lead me to believe that your hypo is illegal and very dangerous to one's freedom.

And pretty damned expensive.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deej (Post 20598234)
This is where we choose to disagree. Everything I've learned and known has lead me to believe that your hypo is illegal and very dangerous to one's freedom.

And pretty damned expensive.

Ok it's perfectly fine for you to have that belief. I simply posted a hypothetical scenario, and the Nevada/Federal law governing that scenario. Nothing in the Nevada or Federal law prohibits that hypo from legally occurring.

Rob 10-06-2015 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598227)


It's a common tactic used to shift away from the fact that many States require no background check whatsoever for private party gun sales at gun shows. Instead of discussing that issue, they want to get into a pedantic argument as to firearm nomenclature...and they are often wrong about that too as evinced in this thread.
You are a fucking moron if you think you proved anything other than the fact that you can't read, and are too fucking dense to even realize it. What's scary is it's imbeciles like you that have absolutely no knowledge of guns whats-so-ever, and based on what transpired here, no real grasp of reality, that want to change gun laws. You seriously have to be fucking off - you're just fucking with us, right?

Did you grow up thinking Pro Wings were really Reeboks, too? :helpme

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deej (Post 20598234)
This is where we choose to disagree. Everything I've learned and known has lead me to believe that your hypo is illegal and very dangerous to one's freedom.

And pretty damned expensive.

"Another interesting angle to the ?gun show loophole? is the fact that some FFL dealers will sell their personal guns at the gun show, along with the guns of their business. The Federal Firearms License is a business license, and all guns acquired and sold by the FFL holder must be logged in and out of their ledger. This ledger must be exact and the FFL holder or business is subject at any time to random inspections by the ATF to ensure that their ledger is being correctly updated and kept up. At the gun show, a FFL dealer will have the guns of his business on display for sale -these guns are on his books and they are in his custody under his license as a FFL dealer. While he?s selling the guns of his business at the gun show, he may also sell his private collection on the side -acting as a private citizen. I?ve seen it several times where I was looking at a vender?s guns that he had for sale and when I was interested in buying it, he?d say ?well that gun is actually my own property, not on my books, and if you want that gun there is no background check because that is handled as a federal private party transfer. The rest of my guns are on my books and for those there of course is the paperwork and background check.?

https://americanrifleman.wordpress.c...nd-other-laws/

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598238)
You are a fucking moron if you think you proved anything other than the fact that you can't read, and are too fucking dense to even realize it. What's scary is it's imbeciles like you that have absolutely no knowledge of guns whats-so-ever, and based on what transpired here, no real grasp of reality, that want to change gun laws. You seriously have to be fucking off - you're just fucking with us, right?

Did you grow up thinking Pro Wings were really Reeboks, too? :helpme

Hey you're the one that claimed there is no such thing as semi-auto MP5...even after numerous sources contradict your claim.

L-Pink 10-06-2015 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20597514)
Shouldnt you be digging a mass grave or something?
Wow ....... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Rob 10-06-2015 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598242)

Hey you're the one that claimed there is no such thing as semi-auto MP5...even after numerous sources contradict your claim.
You sure did. And as a reward, here's a real Lamborghini. :thumbsup

http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/33903285.jpg

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598249)
You sure did. And as a reward, here's a real Lamborghini. :thumbsup

http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/33903285.jpg

Yup, and here's a semi-automatic HK MP5 that you claim does not exist:

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ima...t/umerxhk4.jpg

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ima...t/umerxhk5.jpg

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com....html?Itemid=0

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:51 PM
Behold, the semi-automatic HK MP5 that allegedly does not exist according to Rob LOL

L-Pink 10-06-2015 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598252)
Behold, the semi-automatic HK MP5 that allegedly does not exist according to Rob LOL


Another thread I stopped reading as soon as I got to the plum colored annoying rambling.


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