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TCLGirls 10-06-2015 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598189)
No it can't. You can buy clones like the HK94, but not an actual HK MP5. If I recall correctly, the only two position MP5 (safe and semi) was developed and sold specifically to Navy special forces back in the 80's or maybe 90's.

Yeah, H&K exports semi-auto versions of their MP5:

Heckler and Koch fans rejoice! H&K company has been listening to you. A Document received by TFB, dated a week ago, show that Heckler & Koch GmbH (Germany) applied to Germany?s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) to sell a semi-automatic version of the famous H&K MP5K and H&K MP5SD on the civilian market. The application was approved by the Police with some caveats. The new guns are called the HK SP5k and HK SC5SD.


Exclusive: H&K Semi-Automatic HK SP5k (MP5K) and HK SC5SD (MP5SD) - The Firearm Blog

Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598198)
The new guns are called the HK SP5k and HK SC5SD.

What part dont you understand?

Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 07:45 PM

Are you like Rochard, who believes that the M16 and AR15 are the same shit?

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20598201)
What part dont you understand?


No part. They are semi-auto version of the MP5

Rob 10-06-2015 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598198)

Like I said, clones. They're not an MP5 at all. By classification an MP5 is a SUBMACHINE GUN. Makes no sense having a semi-auto 9mm. Might as well just buy a handgun. :2 cents:

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598204)
Like I said, clones. They're not an MP5 at all. By classification an MP5 is a SUBMACHINE GUN. Makes no sense having a semi-auto 9mm. Might as well just buy a handgun. :2 cents:

So all these guys are selling an semi-auto MP5 which in reality does not even exist right?


"The HK SD Semi-Automatic Rifle is the full-time suppressed version of the MP5 submachine gun. It includes the SD-style forearm, retractable stock and integral compensator. The HK MP5 SD Semi-Automatic Rifle in .22 L.R. is manufactured exclusively by Walther under license from HK. It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. Caliber - .22 Long Rifle Mag Capacity - 25 rnds Weight w/out Mag - 5.9 lbs Overall Length - 26.8–33.8 in Barrel Length - 16.1 in Barrel Twist - 1 in 13-3/4 in Grooves - 6 Operation - Blowback Front Sight - Interchangeable Posts Rear Sight - Adjustable Wind & Elevation"

Semi Auto Rifles for Sale - Buy Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com

noshit 10-06-2015 07:49 PM

Best case scenerio... take away the guns from the ones that want us to give up ours.
No more armed security for the parasitical elite.
Let's see if they last more than 30 minutes.

In Fact, the ONLY gun restriction should be on anybody and everybody that has ties to the federal government :2 cents:

Rob 10-06-2015 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598205)
So all these guys are selling an semi-auto MP5 which in reality does not even exist right?


"The HK SD Semi-Automatic Rifle is the full-time suppressed version of the MP5 submachine gun. It includes the SD-style forearm, retractable stock and integral compensator. The HK MP5 SD Semi-Automatic Rifle in .22 L.R. is manufactured exclusively by Walther under license from HK. It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. Caliber - .22 Long Rifle Mag Capacity - 25 rnds Weight w/out Mag - 5.9 lbs Overall Length - 26.8–33.8 in Barrel Length - 16.1 in Barrel Twist - 1 in 13-3/4 in Grooves - 6 Operation - Blowback Front Sight - Interchangeable Posts Rear Sight - Adjustable Wind & Elevation"

Semi Auto Rifles for Sale - Buy Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com


Dude, I'm tapping out of this conversation. You just don't get it. Do you know what, "HK MP5 SD 22LR" stands for? It stands for .22 long rifle...it's a modified version -- A FUCKING REPLICA of an MP5.

This is copied from the description YOU pasted:

"It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. " -- and it's made by Walther, not HK.

Jesus man, are you even reading this shit or just seeing the headline and copy/pasting it?

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598207)
Dude, I'm tapping out of this conversation. You just don't get it. Do you know what, "HK MP5 SD 22LR" stands for? It stands for .22 long rifle...it's a modified version -- A FUCKING REPLICA of an MP5.

This is copied from the description YOU pasted:

"It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. "

Jesus man, are you even reading this shit or just seeing the headline and copy/pasting it?


"The HK MP5 SD Semi-Automatic Rifle in .22 L.R. is manufactured exclusively by Walther under license from HK"


So the HK MP5 SD is not an MP5, even though that is what the manufacturer calls it under license from HK? LOL ok

noshit 10-06-2015 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598207)
This is copied from the description YOU pasted:

"It is the only genuine HK tactical rimfire replica available in the world. " -- and it's made by Walther, not HK.

Jesus man, are you even reading this shit or just seeing the headline and copy/pasting it?

You wasted too much time on that lady.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 08:03 PM

Oh, here's a gun dealer that is selling a semi-auto MP5...a firearm that allegedly does not exist LOL

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ima...ct/umerxhk.jpg

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com....html?Itemid=0

oppoten 10-06-2015 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 20594680)
Anyone who makes this a gun thing is a complete fucking idiot.

I think they like talking about weapons.

Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by noshit (Post 20598209)
You wasted too much time on that lady.

Well, noshit

Rochard 10-06-2015 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20598202)
Are you like Rochard, who believes that the M16 and AR15 are the same shit?

Same exact thing. From Wikipedia:

After modifications (most notably the relocation of the charging handle from under the carrying handle to the rear of the receiver), the redesigned rifle was adopted by the United States military as the M16 rifle. In 1963, Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian use and the term has been used to refer to semiautomatic-only versions of the rifle since then.

Deej 10-06-2015 08:42 PM

This argument over an mp5 can't possibly be real...

Seriously.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20598223)
Same exact thing. From Wikipedia:

After modifications (most notably the relocation of the charging handle from under the carrying handle to the rear of the receiver), the redesigned rifle was adopted by the United States military as the M16 rifle. In 1963, Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian use and the term has been used to refer to semiautomatic-only versions of the rifle since then.



It's a common tactic used to shift away from the fact that many States require no background check whatsoever for private party gun sales at gun shows. Instead of discussing that issue, they want to get into a pedantic argument as to firearm nomenclature...and they are often wrong about that too as evinced in this thread.

Mr Pheer 10-06-2015 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20598223)
Same exact thing. From Wikipedia:

After modifications (most notably the relocation of the charging handle from under the carrying handle to the rear of the receiver), the redesigned rifle was adopted by the United States military as the M16 rifle. In 1963, Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian use and the term has been used to refer to semiautomatic-only versions of the rifle since then.


If it's the same, why do they call it something different?

If something is a different version... it's not the same.

Jesus... fuck... you guys make my fucking head hurt. It's like talking to a pigeon.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 08:58 PM

Oh here's another hypo that would work at gun shows in Nevada and some other states:

Criminal: Gee I would love to buy that Sig Sauer P320 from you. But you are a licensed gun dealer right? And to buy from you I would need to go through a background check right? I don't want to do all that.

Licensed gun dealer: Yes that is correct. But don't worry, if you don't want to go through a background check, you can still buy some of my guns that are in my "personal collection". These guns are not part of my business inventory, so you are not required to go through a background check to buy these guns right over here ...as long as I have no knowledge that you can't legally own guns (wink wink).

Deej 10-06-2015 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598230)
Oh here's another hypo that would work at gun shows in Nevada and some other states:

Criminal: Gee I would love to buy that Sig Sauer P320 from you. But you are a licensed gun dealer right? And to buy from you I would need to go through a background check right? I don't want to do all that.

Licensed gun dealer: Yes that is correct. But don't worry, if you don't want to go through a background check, you can still buy some of my guns that are in my "personal collection". These guns are not part of my business inventory, so you are not required to go through a background check to buy these guns right over here (wink wink).

so sell me an AA-12 with a suppressor from your private collection.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 20598232)
so sell me an AA-12 with a suppressor from your private collection.


I'm not a gun dealer. But if I was, I could do what I just mentioned in the hypo.

Deej 10-06-2015 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598233)

I'm not a gun dealer. But if I was, I could do what I just mentioned in the hypo.

This is where we choose to disagree. Everything I've learned and known has lead me to believe that your hypo is illegal and very dangerous to one's freedom.

And pretty damned expensive.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 20598234)
This is where we choose to disagree. Everything I've learned and known has lead me to believe that your hypo is illegal and very dangerous to one's freedom.

And pretty damned expensive.


Ok it's perfectly fine for you to have that belief. I simply posted a hypothetical scenario, and the Nevada/Federal law governing that scenario. Nothing in the Nevada or Federal law prohibits that hypo from legally occurring.

Rob 10-06-2015 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598227)


It's a common tactic used to shift away from the fact that many States require no background check whatsoever for private party gun sales at gun shows. Instead of discussing that issue, they want to get into a pedantic argument as to firearm nomenclature...and they are often wrong about that too as evinced in this thread.

You are a fucking moron if you think you proved anything other than the fact that you can't read, and are too fucking dense to even realize it. What's scary is it's imbeciles like you that have absolutely no knowledge of guns whats-so-ever, and based on what transpired here, no real grasp of reality, that want to change gun laws. You seriously have to be fucking off - you're just fucking with us, right?

Did you grow up thinking Pro Wings were really Reeboks, too? :helpme

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 20598234)
This is where we choose to disagree. Everything I've learned and known has lead me to believe that your hypo is illegal and very dangerous to one's freedom.

And pretty damned expensive.


"Another interesting angle to the ?gun show loophole? is the fact that some FFL dealers will sell their personal guns at the gun show, along with the guns of their business. The Federal Firearms License is a business license, and all guns acquired and sold by the FFL holder must be logged in and out of their ledger. This ledger must be exact and the FFL holder or business is subject at any time to random inspections by the ATF to ensure that their ledger is being correctly updated and kept up. At the gun show, a FFL dealer will have the guns of his business on display for sale -these guns are on his books and they are in his custody under his license as a FFL dealer. While he?s selling the guns of his business at the gun show, he may also sell his private collection on the side -acting as a private citizen. I?ve seen it several times where I was looking at a vender?s guns that he had for sale and when I was interested in buying it, he?d say ?well that gun is actually my own property, not on my books, and if you want that gun there is no background check because that is handled as a federal private party transfer. The rest of my guns are on my books and for those there of course is the paperwork and background check.?

https://americanrifleman.wordpress.c...nd-other-laws/

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598238)
You are a fucking moron if you think you proved anything other than the fact that you can't read, and are too fucking dense to even realize it. What's scary is it's imbeciles like you that have absolutely no knowledge of guns whats-so-ever, and based on what transpired here, no real grasp of reality, that want to change gun laws. You seriously have to be fucking off - you're just fucking with us, right?

Did you grow up thinking Pro Wings were really Reeboks, too? :helpme


Hey you're the one that claimed there is no such thing as semi-auto MP5...even after numerous sources contradict your claim.

L-Pink 10-06-2015 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20597514)
Shouldnt you be digging a mass grave or something?

Wow ....... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Rob 10-06-2015 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598242)

Hey you're the one that claimed there is no such thing as semi-auto MP5...even after numerous sources contradict your claim.

You sure did. And as a reward, here's a real Lamborghini. :thumbsup

http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/33903285.jpg

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598249)
You sure did. And as a reward, here's a real Lamborghini. :thumbsup

http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/33903285.jpg


Yup, and here's a semi-automatic HK MP5 that you claim does not exist:

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ima...t/umerxhk4.jpg

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ima...t/umerxhk5.jpg

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com....html?Itemid=0

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 09:51 PM

Behold, the semi-automatic HK MP5 that allegedly does not exist according to Rob LOL


L-Pink 10-06-2015 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598252)
Behold, the semi-automatic HK MP5 that allegedly does not exist according to Rob LOL



Another thread I stopped reading as soon as I got to the plum colored annoying rambling.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598204)
Like I said, clones. They're not an MP5 at all. By classification an MP5 is a SUBMACHINE GUN. Makes no sense having a semi-auto 9mm. Might as well just buy a handgun. :2 cents:


Gee, all these people are reviewing a semi-auto HK MP5...something you keep claiming is not an MP5 at all LOL


Rob 10-06-2015 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598255)

Gee, all these people are reviewing a semi-auto HK MP5...something you keep claiming is not an MP5 at all LOL


I don't know why I'm even going back and forth, it's a losing battle. I know better than to argue with an idiot, because now you've dragged me down to your level and beating the shit out of me with experience. But...

At :22 into the video YOU posted, the reviewer actually says it's a FUCKING KNOCK OFF of a HK MP5!

His exact words: "A lot of these, uh, tactical copies, or, you know, simulated to be something else are usually kinda, kinda cheesy and not very well built." - read that again REAL slow. Listen real close to the video if you have to. Let it soak in real good.

You've already proven that can't read, and now you can't even listen properly. What part of replica do you not understand? A HK MP5 shoots 9mm rounds. That weapon is made by Walther, an distributed by Umarex and is .22 caliber. I'm seriously done here, this shit is hurting my brain. You need a lot of help with your comprehension skills and I have no patience for idiots. I honestly can't believe I stuck around this long.

Go ahead and continue posting links and pictures and video reviews, because it's only cementing the fact that you're a fucking tard. Good day, Chap. :thumbsup

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598271)
I don't know why I'm even going back and forth, it's a losing battle. I know better than to argue with an idiot, because now you've dragged me down to your level and beating the shit out of me with experience. But...

At :22 into the video YOU posted, the reviewer actually says it's a FUCKING KNOCK OFF of a HK MP5!

His exact words: "A lot of these, uh, tactical copies, or, you know, simulated to be something else are usually kinda, kinda cheesy and not very well built." - read that again REAL slow. Listen real close to the video if you have to. Let it soak in real good.


You've already proven that can't read, and now you can't even listen properly. What part of replica do you not understand? A HK MP5 shoots 9mm rounds. That weapon is made by Walther, an distributed by Umarex and is .22 caliber. I'm seriously done here, this shit is hurting my brain. You need a lot of help with your comprehension skills and I have no patience for idiots. I honestly can't believe I stuck around this long.

Go ahead and continue posting links and pictures and video reviews, because it's only cementing the fact that you're a fucking tard. Good day, Chap. :thumbsup


Yes I know he said that. He was contrasting other clones against the fully licensed HK MP5 he was reviewing, which he says is well built.

H&K fully licensed Walther to manufacture this fire arm and call it an HK MP5....so that's what it is.

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 11:32 PM

More people selling the semi-auto MP5...a firearm that Rob says does not exist LOL:

"WaltherŪ HK MP5 SD Semi-automatic .22LR Rimfire Rifle.

The WaltherŪ HK MP5 SD Semi-automatic Rifle is the full-time suppressed version of the MP5 submachine gun. It includes a SD-style forearm, retractable stock and integrated compensator. So whether you're practicing at the range or plinking at the cabin, the Walther HK MP5 SD offers all the excitement of the original in a cost-effective .22LR platform."


Walther HK MP5 SD, Semi-automatic, .22LR, Rimfire, 5780311, 723364201097 - 641331, Semi-Automatic at Sportsman's Guide

TCLGirls 10-06-2015 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20598271)
Go ahead and continue posting links and pictures and video reviews, because it's only cementing the fact that you're a fucking tard. Good day, Chap. :thumbsup


I said: "The HK MP5 can be purchased in semi-auto config."

You replied no that is not possible..that an MP5 by definition is fully automatic.

I then provided you with numerous sites indicating that there is indeed an HK MP5 in semi-auto config available to the public.

And that's when you got all mad.

Deej 10-07-2015 04:47 AM

This has gone too far... Let's let the Mp5 thing go. Yay, you found a loophole to argue and squabble about. Odd how you chose to go with the mp5 right off the bat, I assume, knowing that it would bring this argument about.

I personally couldn't care less about an mp5 and it's variations. What I want proof of is this ability to freely sell fully automatic weapons that would otherwise require federal approval.

Matyko 10-07-2015 05:17 AM

if I say Fuck Guns and Fuck American Gun Laws and Gun Lobby, will I be the Libtard of the Thread? :pimp

candyflip 10-07-2015 06:16 AM

You just just ignore the fucking retard and maybe he will leave. Seriously. At this point, it's paininfully obvious that this douchebag just likes to make himself look foolish.

The plum color text should have been all the warning you need. The guy probably has mommy issues and just needs the attention.

candyflip 10-07-2015 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598286)

I said: "The HK MP5 can be purchased in semi-auto config."

You replied no that is not possible..that an MP5 by definition is fully automatic.

I then provided you with numerous sites indicating that there is indeed an HK MP5 in semi-auto config available to the public.

And that's when you got all mad.

Any they provided you with info FROM YOUR POSTS that stated otherwise, yet you continue to argue.

You're a fucking retard who's too retarded to even see that he's a retard. Wipe the drool and stupid smile from your face.

celandina 10-07-2015 07:56 AM

Why is a rape kit, kidnaping kit, house breaking kit all are criminal felonies, yet murder kit ( 14 weapons) is not??? America is totally fucked.:mad:

... And BTW I would string up his Aspergers mother... Aspergers my ass !!!!

At least in Sandy Hook he killed his bitch mother first...

TCLGirls 10-07-2015 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 20598468)
Any they provided you with info FROM YOUR POSTS that stated otherwise, yet you continue to argue.

You're a fucking retard who's too retarded to even see that he's a retard. Wipe the drool and stupid smile from your face.

Nothing in my previous posts stated that an MP5 can only be obtained in fully automatic config.

TCLGirls 10-07-2015 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 20598402)
This has gone too far... Let's let the Mp5 thing go. Yay, you found a loophole to argue and squabble about. Odd how you chose to go with the mp5 right off the bat, I assume, knowing that it would bring this argument about.

I personally couldn't care less about an mp5 and it's variations. What I want proof of is this ability to freely sell fully automatic weapons that would otherwise require federal approval.

Does that mean you no longer dispute that at Nevada gun shows a licensed gun dealer can sell semi-auto firearms w/o any background checks if the guns comes from the dealer's "private collection"?

BTW I chose the MP5 in my original hypo because I like that model.

Rochard 10-07-2015 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 20598229)
If it's the same, why do they call it something different?

If something is a different version... it's not the same.

If it's the same, why do they call it something different? Why is the Dodge Durango the exact same SUV as the Jeep Grand Cherokee? It's called marketing. They took a military assault rifle and modified to get around the laws to sell it to civilians.

TCLGirls 10-07-2015 09:53 AM

Oh here's another hypo that is 100% legal:

Mental defective: Gee that silencer and short barrel rifle sure does look interesting. I wish I could buy those, but I don't want to submit to a background check, fingerprints, or law enforcement approval as required by Federal law.

Gun seller: No worries. Just create a "gun trust", name yourself as trustee , and then have the gun trust purchase these weapons. Thus, you will not need to go through a background check or finger prints, because technically, you will not be the individual purchasing or owning these guns. Instead the gun trust you created will be the purchaser/owner. But as the trustee, you will still have full control of these weapons.

Deej 10-08-2015 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20598576)
Does that mean you no longer dispute that at Nevada gun shows a licensed gun dealer can sell semi-auto firearms w/o any background checks if the guns comes from the dealer's "private collection"?

BTW I chose the MP5 in my original hypo because I like that model.

Well, since it goes against everything I've known about purchasing Fully Automatic weapons. That's why I asked for proof. Citing. Law stating it to be true. News article about the issue among these shows. Anything with validity.


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