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J. Falcon · 08-14-2015, 06:55 AM

Low-fat diets 'better than cutting carbs' for weight loss

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Cutting fat from your diet leads to more fat loss than reducing carbohydrates, a US health study shows.

Scientists intensely analysed people on controlled diets by inspecting every morsel of food, minute of exercise and breath taken.

Both diets, analysed by the National Institutes of Health, led to fat loss when calories were cut, but people lost more when they reduced fat intake.

Experts say the most effective diet is one people can stick to.

It has been argued that restricting carbs is the best way to get rid of a "spare tyre" as it alters the body's metabolism.
Chemical processes

The theory goes that fewer carbohydrates lead to lower levels of insulin, which in turn lead to fat being released from the body's stores.

"All of those things do happen with carb reduction and you do lose body fat, but not as much as when you cut out the fat," said lead researchers Dr Kevin Hall, from the US-based National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases.

EddyTheDog · 08-14-2015, 07:04 AM

So I can can go back on the 'all beer' diet?..

There is no fat in beer - What could go wrong?....

candyflip · 08-14-2015, 07:06 AM

Seems like common sense to me.

Best-In-BC · 08-14-2015, 07:32 AM

Seems dumb, unless that fat is not meat fat, cut sugar & shity food and you will loose weight, I eat tons of red meat and have nothing but gains and lost inches from it. Gotta eat those greens too.

Best-In-BC · 08-14-2015, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Seems like common sense to me.

Thats why there are so many fat people, they think fat is all bad.

poncabare · 08-14-2015, 07:50 AM

Still need to exercise

PR_Glen · 08-14-2015, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Seems dumb, unless that fat is not meat fat, cut sugar & shity food and you will loose weight, I eat tons of red meat and have nothing but gains and lost inches from it. Gotta eat those greens too.

nope, meat fats are digested much more effectively than from others. and do not turn into body fat at anywhere near the rate that sugars do.

that study is designed to protect the corn and wheat industries that feed the masses. I don't blame them because we don't have anywhere near the resources to feed the planet without those.

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Still need to exercise

nope, not enough. makes up 15% compared to diet.

bronco67 · 08-14-2015, 09:22 AM

I saw that on the Today show this morning. The right fats are excellent for fat loss -- like Olive Oil, nuts and other monounsaturated kinds. You just have to watch the intake because of the high caloric content of fats for such a small volume of food. Dietary fat does not turn into fat -- carbs do.

I'm pretty sure I lowered my cholesterol by having a tablespoon of olive oil and a handful of nuts every day (plus some MCT oil) for the last few months. I've also got my waist down to 32 inches and I'm on my way looking like Tyler Durden -- so that study seems like bullshit to me. All macros in balance, with carbs on the low end except on lifting days.

Best-In-BC · 08-14-2015, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

nope, meat fats are digested much more effectively than from others. and do not turn into body fat at anywhere near the rate that sugars do.

Nope ? You just agree'd with me LOL

Choopa Phil · 08-14-2015, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

I saw that one the Today show this morning. The right fats are excellent for fat loss -- like Olive Oil, nuts and other monounsaturated kinds. You just have to watch the intake because of the high caloric content of fats for such a small volume of food. Dietary fat does not turn into fat

Any caloric surplus will turn into fat albeit if its sugar or fat that puts you over your limit. I will agree that certain fats aid in weigh/fat loss, that goes without question.

You can have straight protein shakes all day every day and if you drink too much you'll get fat.

bronco67 · 08-14-2015, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

Any caloric surplus will turn into fat albeit if its sugar or fat that puts you over your limit. I will agree that certain fats help for weightloss, that goes without question.

You can have straight protein shakes all day every day and if you drink too much you'll get fat.

Yeah it really is ultimately about calories in/calories out --- but a lot of people focus on just that and forget about other variables like insulin, leptin and cortisol, which can have a big impact on what kind of body weight you're losing. I think that's the main problem....people just want to "lose weight" and they end up losing mostly water and muscle instead of actual body fat. You have to train your system to preserve/build muscle and burn fat, but most people I know get on an elliptical or treadmill and do weight watchers. They lose a bunch of weight quick and it always comes back.

Choopa Phil · 08-14-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Yeah it really is ultimately about calories in/calories out --- but a lot of people focus on just that and forget about other variables like insulin, leptin and cortisol, which can have a big impact on what kind of body weight you're losing. I think that's the main problem....people just want to "lose weight" and they end up losing mostly water and muscle instead of actual body fat.

Like you said only counting calories and nothing more...dieting goes deeper than that. The problem is people being lazy and not educating themselves on Protein/Fat/Carb ratios or meal timing. Once you figure out what works all you need to do is make small tweaks to make big changes.

If I'm not on my strict diet game I follow the simple rules of "fuel your body for what you are using it for at the time" If I'm sitting at my desk all day I'll keep the carbs down around 150-200G range. If I'm training, bump em up around 320-350G depending on what day it is. Same thing if I go out to eat...its all a matter of the right choices and substitutions if you decide to cheat.

xNetworx · 08-14-2015, 09:44 AM

After trying many diets, I can say Calories in vs Calories out will always prevail over what type

Choopa Phil · 08-14-2015, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CamBoss

After trying many diets, I can say Calories in vs Calories out will always prevail over what type

For weight loss yes, for fat loss no. Muscle is more dense than fat and weighs more...if you lose muscle fast, you will lose weight faster

Guaranteed you are burning off more muscle with a calories in vs calorie out diet vs a properly balanced diet.

AllAboutCams · 08-14-2015, 09:50 AM

going 6 day vegan is working for me 11KG lost so far

baddog · 08-14-2015, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

So I can can go back on the 'all beer' diet?..

There is no fat in beer - What could go wrong?....

I am down to 170 on my all beer diet. Close to 60 pounds gone.

newB · 08-14-2015, 10:13 AM

It's also important to keep in mind that all carb's are not created equal. Complex carb's, such as whole grains, typically come with dietary fiber which is indigestible while also binding with other stuff in your gut to make it likewise inaccessible, which means that although you are ingesting x amount of calories, not all of those calories will be available to you.

Add to that, that in order to store the excess calories from carbs a percentage of those calories is consumed in the process. I want to say that total conversion from carb intake to body fat storage consumes roughly 25% of those calories, but don't hold me to that. Fat, on the other hand is closer to 1:1.

Joshua G · 08-14-2015, 12:51 PM

so sick & tired of studies, & polls, & the media in general. you can literally hear whatever you want to hear. pot causes cancer. pot cures cancer. its fucking ridiculous.

Struggle4Bucks · 08-14-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

going 6 day vegan is working for me 11KG lost so far

You can't loose 11KG in 6 days going vegan... I advice you to see a doctor because if you really lost 11KG in 6 days there's something really wrong...

PR_Glen · 08-14-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

For weight loss yes, for fat loss no. Muscle is more dense than fat and weighs more...if you lose muscle fast, you will lose weight faster

Guaranteed you are burning off more muscle with a calories in vs calorie out diet vs a properly balanced diet.

exactly. skinny fat shouldn't be a goal for anyone.

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

You can't loose 11KG in 6 days going vegan... I advice you to see a doctor because if you really lost 11KG in 6 days there's something really wrong...

you can lose that in a day depending what you eat in the pre meals. I lost 10 this past weekend from playing in a ball tournament. almost all water weight obviously.

Struggle4Bucks · 08-14-2015, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

you can lose that in a day depending what you eat in the pre meals.

Check your Canadian metric system... We're talking about KG. You can loose KG's of blood/water, etc... but you cannot loose 11KG in a day or even 6 days in fat or muscle unless you cut off both legs...

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

I lost 10 this past weekend from playing in a ball tournament. almost all water weight obviously.

That's something else... I assume he's talking about body weight because he says that veganism is due to that weight loss... Not losing water because of running a ball-game...

Choopa Phil · 08-14-2015, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

I assume

Well there's your first mistake!

bronco67 · 08-14-2015, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

For weight loss yes, for fat loss no. Muscle is more dense than fat and weighs more...if you lose muscle fast, you will lose weight faster

Guaranteed you are burning off more muscle with a calories in vs calorie out diet vs a properly balanced diet.

My brother in law went on Weight Watchers and was bragging about losing 10 pounds in 3 weeks. He's not the kind of guy who takes advice so I didn't tell him he dropped 10 pounds of water and muscle, and probably some poop. Trimming down by having your body eat itself is not a concept you can explain to someone who has been brainwashed by old ass ideas about losing weight. Actually it shouldn't even be called losing weight anymore -- "getting fit" would make more sense.

Another thing I noticed about these people who think they're getting in shape is that they have a target weight number. Your number should be whatever the scale says when you look like an MMA fighter in the mirror.

TheSquealer · 08-14-2015, 05:39 PM

Millions of years of evolution to create a nearly perfect organism, which is home to a 3.3 lb organ which is by far the most sophisticate organization of matter in the universe and you think that science is going to somehow shed new light on weight loss? Eat a balanced diet (as your body is design to do). Eat fewer calories than you burn. That is all.

AllAboutCams · 08-14-2015, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

You can't loose 11KG in 6 days going vegan... I advice you to see a doctor because if you really lost 11KG in 6 days there's something really wrong...

I mean eating vegan for 6 days monday to saterday then i eat what i want on sunday ive been going it for a few months

Struggle4Bucks · 08-15-2015, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

Well there's your first mistake!

Absolutely not!!! Because there was nothing else to assume regarding to the words he wrote. My logic and assumption was correct....

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Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

I mean eating vegan for 6 days monday to saterday then i eat what i want on sunday ive been going it for a few months

See... that explains a lot... Make perfectly sense now...

tony286 · 08-15-2015, 11:54 AM

from what I read, they called low carb 140 grams of carbs a day. Thats not low carb.

TheSquealer · 08-15-2015, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

from what I read, they called low carb 140 grams of carbs a day. Thats not low carb.

"They"....

Colmike9 · 08-15-2015, 01:14 PM

I lost 70 pounds a couple summers ago switching to diet pop and water/tea. I rarely drink regular pop now and I feel a lot better, too.

MiamiBoyz · 08-15-2015, 01:23 PM

MiamiBoyz · 08-15-2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

I lost 70 pounds a couple summers ago switching to diet pop and water/tea. I rarely drink regular pop now and I feel a lot better, too.

What is this "pop" you speak of?

I have had soda before but this is a mystery to me...

Pop is what you do cherries.

bronco67 · 08-15-2015, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

from what I read, they called low carb 140 grams of carbs a day. Thats not low carb.

50 is on the low side.

mikesouth · 08-15-2015, 02:02 PM

This is ignorance...the best diet for you is the one you will stick to...

420 · 08-15-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

"They"....

they (pronoun) - a derogatory term for persons of color

I believe in this context it is used to refer to "scientists", though.

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nice job by the artist

Colmike9 · 08-15-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

What is this "pop" you speak of?

I have had soda before but this is a mystery to me...

Pop is what you do cherries.

I think saying Soda Machine sounds weird..
At least we don't say "What flavor Coke do you want?" like some parts do

bronco67 · 08-16-2015, 08:39 AM

I'm not big on conspiracy, but the gist of this new "finding" probably has a lot to do with the food industry keeping zombies addicted to their low-fat high sugar garbage food. Anyone who has done a little of the their own research and education on nutrition knows that the low fat paradigm is bullshit -- and some of us have empirical evidence that fat is not your enemy when it comes to getting fit..

Colmike9 · 08-16-2015, 09:06 AM

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Well there's your first mistake!

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j3rkules · 08-16-2015, 09:11 AM

Any diet that advises cutting out any of the food groups is a diet that I wouldn't even contemplate. I've read so much rubbish recently where even eating an apple or a pear is frowned on and as for daring to eat a banana - forget it! And of course don't eat potatoes or bread or even carrots, blah, blah, blah, or you'll die an early death. Of course, every single time, there's a book for sale for someone to peddle all this nonsense ... and make themselves rich in the process. I'll continue to eat a varied nutritious diet with occasional treats, I enjoy food but also know the meaning of moderation.

Colmike9 · 08-16-2015, 09:14 AM

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Any diet that advises cutting out any of the food groups is a diet that I wouldn't even contemplate. I've read so much rubbish recently where even eating an apple or a pear is frowned on and as for daring to eat a banana - forget it! And of course don't eat potatoes or bread or even carrots, blah, blah, blah, or you'll die an early death. Of course, every single time, there's a book for sale for someone to peddle all this nonsense ... and make themselves rich in the process. I'll continue to eat a varied nutritious diet with occasional treats, I enjoy food but also know the meaning of moderation.

A lot of people that live 100+ say to eat something from the land and something from the sea every day. You probably don't have to do all that, but eating real food and exercising even a little daily, as long as you follow through, will work.

The weight loss industry is such a scam, why hasn't anyone found something that works and is always changing yet you see healthy and fit people everywhere? There's no secret unless you have money..

Socks · 08-16-2015, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

that study is designed to protect the corn and wheat industries that feed the masses. I don't blame them because we don't have anywhere near the resources to feed the planet without those.

I was on the keto diet for a few months last year, lost a good deal of weight, and it really struck me that just about every food made by a company in a factory is just a mix of wheat, sugar and salt for the most part. It's just the cheapest shit they can put in a box and sell basically.

Socks · 08-16-2015, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by celebsnudehd

Any diet that advises cutting out any of the food groups is a diet that I wouldn't even contemplate. I've read so much rubbish recently where even eating an apple or a pear is frowned on and as for daring to eat a banana - forget it! And of course don't eat potatoes or bread or even carrots, blah, blah, blah, or you'll die an early death. Of course, every single time, there's a book for sale for someone to peddle all this nonsense ... and make themselves rich in the process. I'll continue to eat a varied nutritious diet with occasional treats, I enjoy food but also know the meaning of moderation.

Before I tried keto out I thought the same thing... My buddy was on a diet and I offered him an apple and he said he couldn't eat that on his diet.. and I was like WTF?! It's a fucking APPLE! But yeah it's just all the sugar.

But honestly with keto nobody is saying that eating those things will make you die early, or that they're not healthy, nothing like that.. It's just that bananas for example don't fit with the overall diet and so you don't eat them. There's obviously nothing wrong with eating a banana.

And what I love about keto is A> it works B> I love all the food I can eat C> there's nothing to buy. No bullshit being peddled. Simply eat a ton of fat, don't eat carbs at all, never feel hungry and the weight just melts off by itself.

TheSquealer · 08-16-2015, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks

I was on the keto diet for a few months last year, lost a good deal of weight, and it really struck me that just about every food made by a company in a factory is just a mix of wheat, sugar and salt for the most part. It's just the cheapest shit they can put in a box and sell basically.

That's why you shop the perimeter of the store.... not the aisles

Elli · 08-16-2015, 10:36 PM

Let's look at the study referenced in the article: (http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/...131(15)00350-2)

Highlights
•19 adults with obesity were confined to a metabolic ward for two 2-week periods
•Cutting carbohydrates increased net fat oxidation, but cutting fat by equal calories had no effect
•Cutting fat resulted in more body fat loss as measured by metabolic balance
•Mathematical model simulations predicted small long-term differences in body fat

Only 19 people! That's hardly a study. And the simulation predict SMALL long term differences.

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bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	I saw that on the Today show this morning. The right fats are excellent for fat loss -- like Olive Oil, nuts and other monounsaturated kinds. You just have to watch the intake because of the high caloric content of fats for such a small volume of food. Dietary fat does not turn into fat -- carbs do. I'm pretty sure I lowered my cholesterol by having a tablespoon of olive oil and a handful of nuts every day (plus some MCT oil) for the last few months. I've also got my waist down to 32 inches and I'm on my way looking like Tyler Durden -- so that study seems like bullshit to me. All macros in balance, with carbs on the low end except on lifting days. __________________

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newB Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere between reality and total ape-shit bonkers. Posts: 2,870	It's also important to keep in mind that all carb's are not created equal. Complex carb's, such as whole grains, typically come with dietary fiber which is indigestible while also binding with other stuff in your gut to make it likewise inaccessible, which means that although you are ingesting x amount of calories, not all of those calories will be available to you. Add to that, that in order to store the excess calories from carbs a percentage of those calories is consumed in the process. I want to say that total conversion from carb intake to body fat storage consumes roughly 25% of those calories, but don't hold me to that. Fat, on the other hand is closer to 1:1. __________________ The best Adult Affiliate Programs reviewed and indexed by niche and feature. Easily find the sponsors that suit your needs.

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TheSquealer Mayor of Thneedville Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 25,395	Millions of years of evolution to create a nearly perfect organism, which is home to a 3.3 lb organ which is by far the most sophisticate organization of matter in the universe and you think that science is going to somehow shed new light on weight loss? Eat a balanced diet (as your body is design to do). Eat fewer calories than you burn. That is all.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	from what I read, they called low carb 140 grams of carbs a day. Thats not low carb.

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bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	I'm not big on conspiracy, but the gist of this new "finding" probably has a lot to do with the food industry keeping zombies addicted to their low-fat high sugar garbage food. Anyone who has done a little of the their own research and education on nutrition knows that the low fat paradigm is bullshit -- and some of us have empirical evidence that fat is not your enemy when it comes to getting fit.. __________________

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j3rkules VIP Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 22,111	Any diet that advises cutting out any of the food groups is a diet that I wouldn't even contemplate. I've read so much rubbish recently where even eating an apple or a pear is frowned on and as for daring to eat a banana - forget it! And of course don't eat potatoes or bread or even carrots, blah, blah, blah, or you'll die an early death. Of course, every single time, there's a book for sale for someone to peddle all this nonsense ... and make themselves rich in the process. I'll continue to eat a varied nutritious diet with occasional treats, I enjoy food but also know the meaning of moderation. __________________ How To Build A Porn Site And Make Money \| My Best $$$ Cam Sponsor \| New Webcam Script 3 Top Adult Hosting Providers

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Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	Let's look at the study referenced in the article: (http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/...131(15)00350-2) Highlights •19 adults with obesity were confined to a metabolic ward for two 2-week periods •Cutting carbohydrates increased net fat oxidation, but cutting fat by equal calories had no effect •Cutting fat resulted in more body fat loss as measured by metabolic balance •Mathematical model simulations predicted small long-term differences in body fat Only 19 people! That's hardly a study. And the simulation predict SMALL long term differences. __________________ email: [email protected]