Best movie Format for Amateur site? - GoFuckYourself.com

andi_germany · 03-16-2003, 03:19 AM

I am doing a real amateur site now and will also offer movie clips on it. I am not thinking streaming because the updates hopefully will keep the surfer happy enough to stay even if they can download them all. As I looked over some posts I am still undecided what format to offer.

DIVX 5 is my first choice for now. Easy to encode and small for decend sized movies

wmf I also heard good things about but I am kind of opposed to anything that I need to download from Microsoft.

Mpeg all users can view them but the quality size ratio frankly sucks.

RM I don't like due to the stuff Real tries to always sell

Any thoughts on those or other formats?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-16-2003, 03:30 AM

I would go with Windows Media Format, the encoder is pretty simple and Free of course.

jollyperv · 03-16-2003, 04:15 AM

Mpeg-1....Classic, perfection....everything else is inferior.

jollyperv · 03-16-2003, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andi_germany
Mpeg all users can view them but the quality size ratio frankly sucks.

Bring down the audio bitrate, making it mono 32 to 64 kbps shaves off a bit of file size and leaves room for a higher video bitrate.

Don't go with DIVX, nobody wants to install a program from a link on a porn site, then restart their computer.

Oliver Klozov · 03-16-2003, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jollyperv
Mpeg-1....Classic, perfection....everything else is inferior.

I agree 100%

dapproid · 03-16-2003, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jollyperv
Don't go with DIVX, nobody wants to install a program from a link on a porn site, then restart their computer.

Agree. When you're in the mood, you don't want to restart

strainer · 03-16-2003, 08:00 AM

Depends on the length of the clips. 30 second stroke clips look great with mpeg and work everywhere.

If you have long movies like I have (1 hour) surfers don't want to download 400 clips just to watch 1 movie though, so advertising or not, rm rules. If you check out the new realone player you'll be impressed. Never had a single member with a problem or complaint using it.

Dont even consider wmv, its broke on the latest Media Player 9 without a patch thats hard to find, for authentication.

Divx besides needing a download - when I called them they wanted $5,000 to license the codec for a pay site.

andi_germany · 03-16-2003, 02:52 PM

Well seems everyone has a different taste and opinion on that matter. How about asf?

The Machine · 03-16-2003, 03:04 PM

mpeg-1 of course - free, preferred by surfers.

as for file size, look at <a href=http://www.mafiaprincess.com/funny.mpe>this one</a>

1.4 MB for a pretty high quality 26 sec video. everything depends on your encoding skills.

andi_germany · 03-16-2003, 03:15 PM

That looks good too me. What is this encoded with?

DolcettChef · 03-16-2003, 03:17 PM

no one using Flash Video?

and how do you encode into real media format?

tony286 · 03-16-2003, 03:43 PM

DolcettChef · 03-16-2003, 07:46 PM

bumpity

andi_germany · 03-17-2003, 02:37 AM

Guess I have to figure out the encoding by doing ;)

jollyperv · 03-17-2003, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DolcettChef
no one using Flash Video?

and how do you encode into real media format?

With real media encoder

Paul Markham · 03-17-2003, 03:09 AM

this is interesting, I'm thinking of doing all the video editing in house soon.

So how do you get Mpeg-1 down to 3.2 meg a minute.

Any hints would be appreciated.

jollyperv · 03-17-2003, 03:56 AM

Download this program, "Mpeg-1 Bitrate Calculator" from digital-digest.com

Paul Markham · 03-17-2003, 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by jollyperv
Download this program, "Mpeg-1 Bitrate Calculator" from digital-digest.com

I looked on the page and could not find it. Or am I just being stupid as usual?

andi_germany · 03-17-2003, 05:17 AM

Had to find the page via google.

http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/do...1_bitcalc.html

andi_germany · 03-17-2003, 05:20 AM

I still would like to know what encoder is used to create the mpg.

merlin · 03-17-2003, 05:23 AM

Some good info in this thread!

jollyperv · 03-17-2003, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andi_germany
I still would like to know what encoder is used to create the mpg.

Tmpgenc, also a download link at digital digest.
You'll never have need for another encoder, you can batch too.

andi_germany · 03-17-2003, 05:38 AM

Thats what I am using. The problem is that I can't seem to turn off the sound to get a better compression.

I am currently experimenting with a 1.50 minute DV raw file.

I am now getting it down to 18 mb . I will now reduce framesize and see how it looks.

I also Deinterlaced the file with Virtual dub and I am getting the same frame size.

jollyperv · 03-17-2003, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andi_germany
Thats what I am using. The problem is that I can't seem to turn off the sound to get a better compression.

I am currently experimenting with a 1.50 minute DV raw file.

I am now getting it down to 18 mb . I will now reduce framesize and see how it looks.

I also Deinterlaced the file with Virtual dub and I am getting the same frame size.

Not sure if you're talking about frame rate or actual window size, but neither of them have anything to do with the final file size.

Film is 29.97 frames per second, you should never really have a need for any other frame rate, unless you want really choppy video...also, if done incorrectly, the audio won't match up with the video that's playing.

andi_germany · 03-17-2003, 06:42 AM

I was using the damn Wizzard and then you cannot do any changes to Audio or size.

BTW I am using PAL DV so its 25 FPS but thanks for all your info.

SoBeGirl Video · 03-17-2003, 07:00 AM

http://www.romisex.com/graphics/vid/rsfinal.mpg

look at this mpg. only 2.2mg. SoBEGirl has them. Nobody else can render like this quality and frame size and small file size. If anyone wants these hit me up..

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jollyperv · 03-17-2003, 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Nobody else can render like this quality and frame size and small file size.

Care to make a wager on that?

andi_germany · 03-17-2003, 07:40 AM

Well I am getting to decent quality and size but still not even close to what I am seeing.

Why is it that reducing the resolution does not reduce size?

Is there a way to include an img with Tmpgenc or do I need another tool like virtual dub to do it?

jollyperv · 03-17-2003, 07:53 AM

Virtualdub rules, but I don't think you can add images with it....but I could be wrong.
To watermark & add images, I use premier...it's really easy to do, but other than that I really don't like the program...too much of a resource hog. Just make a bmp in photoshop and import it into premier, then drag it to the timeline. It's better to work with raw AVI when doing this too, but it can get tricky because of the 2 gig filesize limit for AVIs.

Mutt · 03-17-2003, 08:00 AM

nice site jollyperv, those are Adult Legal licensed DVD rips u do yourself?

how long does it take to rip one DVD and how big is the complete movie? When you bring the DVD into your computer is it in MPEG2 format then you render to MPEG-1 or can you do the conversion to MPEG-1 on the fly as it's coming into the computer?

what is a fair price per minute for somebody to rip DVDs? Two people have been on here lately, one i think was 1.50 per minute of video, other was 2.00 but that included encoding into three formats at different bit rates. I found another guy who will do it for .50 cents per minute of video.

andi_germany · 03-17-2003, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jollyperv
Virtualdub rules, but I don't think you can add images with it....but I could be wrong.
To watermark & add images, I use premier...it's really easy to do, but other than that I really don't like the program...too much of a resource hog. Just make a bmp in photoshop and import it into premier, then drag it to the timeline. It's better to work with raw AVI when doing this too, but it can get tricky because of the 2 gig filesize limit for AVIs.

Virtual Dub has many filters from people all over the net. I searched the net and found many of them. One does add a img in targa or bmp. I just did it. I was just wondering if I used VD on the raw file before I encode it to mpg the movie might hurt quality wise.

BTW I got 1 min down to 3.5 mb now in good quality. I wonder how far down the bitrate can go ;)

03-16-2003, 03:19 AM	#1
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Best movie Format for Amateur site? I am doing a real amateur site now and will also offer movie clips on it. I am not thinking streaming because the updates hopefully will keep the surfer happy enough to stay even if they can download them all. As I looked over some posts I am still undecided what format to offer. DIVX 5 is my first choice for now. Easy to encode and small for decend sized movies wmf I also heard good things about but I am kind of opposed to anything that I need to download from Microsoft. Mpeg all users can view them but the quality size ratio frankly sucks. RM I don't like due to the stuff Real tries to always sell Any thoughts on those or other formats?

03-16-2003, 03:30 AM	#2
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03-16-2003, 04:15 AM	#3
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	Mpeg-1....Classic, perfection....everything else is inferior. Last edited by jollyperv; 03-16-2003 at 05:00 AM..

03-17-2003, 03:09 AM	#16
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	this is interesting, I'm thinking of doing all the video editing in house soon. So how do you get Mpeg-1 down to 3.2 meg a minute. Any hints would be appreciated. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-17-2003, 08:00 AM	#30
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	nice site jollyperv, those are Adult Legal licensed DVD rips u do yourself? how long does it take to rip one DVD and how big is the complete movie? When you bring the DVD into your computer is it in MPEG2 format then you render to MPEG-1 or can you do the conversion to MPEG-1 on the fly as it's coming into the computer? what is a fair price per minute for somebody to rip DVDs? Two people have been on here lately, one i think was 1.50 per minute of video, other was 2.00 but that included encoding into three formats at different bit rates. I found another guy who will do it for .50 cents per minute of video. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-16-2003, 08:00 AM	#7
strainer Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 418	Depends on the length of the clips. 30 second stroke clips look great with mpeg and work everywhere. If you have long movies like I have (1 hour) surfers don't want to download 400 clips just to watch 1 movie though, so advertising or not, rm rules. If you check out the new realone player you'll be impressed. Never had a single member with a problem or complaint using it. Dont even consider wmv, its broke on the latest Media Player 9 without a patch thats hard to find, for authentication. Divx besides needing a download - when I called them they wanted $5,000 to license the codec for a pay site.

03-16-2003, 02:52 PM	#8
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Well seems everyone has a different taste and opinion on that matter. How about asf?

03-16-2003, 03:04 PM	#9
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	mpeg-1 of course - free, preferred by surfers. as for file size, look at <a href=http://www.mafiaprincess.com/funny.mpe>this one</a> 1.4 MB for a pretty high quality 26 sec video. everything depends on your encoding skills.

03-16-2003, 03:15 PM	#10
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	That looks good too me. What is this encoded with?

03-16-2003, 03:17 PM	#11
DolcettChef Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 61	no one using Flash Video? and how do you encode into real media format?

03-16-2003, 03:43 PM	#12
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	bump

03-16-2003, 07:46 PM	#13
DolcettChef Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 61	bumpity

03-17-2003, 02:37 AM	#14
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Guess I have to figure out the encoding by doing ;)

03-17-2003, 03:56 AM	#17
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	Download this program, "Mpeg-1 Bitrate Calculator" from digital-digest.com

03-17-2003, 05:17 AM	#19
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Had to find the page via google. http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/do...1_bitcalc.html

03-17-2003, 05:20 AM	#20
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	I still would like to know what encoder is used to create the mpg.

03-17-2003, 05:23 AM	#21
merlin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: OZ Posts: 97	Some good info in this thread!

03-17-2003, 05:38 AM	#23
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Thats what I am using. The problem is that I can't seem to turn off the sound to get a better compression. I am currently experimenting with a 1.50 minute DV raw file. I am now getting it down to 18 mb . I will now reduce framesize and see how it looks. I also Deinterlaced the file with Virtual dub and I am getting the same frame size.

03-17-2003, 06:42 AM	#25
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	I was using the damn Wizzard and then you cannot do any changes to Audio or size. BTW I am using PAL DV so its 25 FPS but thanks for all your info.

03-17-2003, 07:00 AM	#26
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	http://www.romisex.com/graphics/vid/rsfinal.mpg look at this mpg. only 2.2mg. SoBEGirl has them. Nobody else can render like this quality and frame size and small file size. If anyone wants these hit me up.. iCQ 97934302 webmaster@*************

03-17-2003, 07:40 AM	#28
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Well I am getting to decent quality and size but still not even close to what I am seeing. Why is it that reducing the resolution does not reduce size? Is there a way to include an img with Tmpgenc or do I need another tool like virtual dub to do it?

03-17-2003, 07:53 AM	#29
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	Virtualdub rules, but I don't think you can add images with it....but I could be wrong. To watermark & add images, I use premier...it's really easy to do, but other than that I really don't like the program...too much of a resource hog. Just make a bmp in photoshop and import it into premier, then drag it to the timeline. It's better to work with raw AVI when doing this too, but it can get tricky because of the 2 gig filesize limit for AVIs.