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andi_germany 03-16-2003 03:19 AM

Best movie Format for Amateur site?
 
I am doing a real amateur site now and will also offer movie clips on it. I am not thinking streaming because the updates hopefully will keep the surfer happy enough to stay even if they can download them all. As I looked over some posts I am still undecided what format to offer.

DIVX 5 is my first choice for now. Easy to encode and small for decend sized movies

wmf I also heard good things about but I am kind of opposed to anything that I need to download from Microsoft.

Mpeg all users can view them but the quality size ratio frankly sucks.

RM I don't like due to the stuff Real tries to always sell


Any thoughts on those or other formats?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-16-2003 03:30 AM

I would go with Windows Media Format, the encoder is pretty simple and Free of course.

jollyperv 03-16-2003 04:15 AM

Mpeg-1....Classic, perfection....everything else is inferior.

jollyperv 03-16-2003 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andi_germany
Mpeg all users can view them but the quality size ratio frankly sucks.

Bring down the audio bitrate, making it mono 32 to 64 kbps shaves off a bit of file size and leaves room for a higher video bitrate.

Don't go with DIVX, nobody wants to install a program from a link on a porn site, then restart their computer.

Oliver Klozov 03-16-2003 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jollyperv
Mpeg-1....Classic, perfection....everything else is inferior.
I agree 100%

dapproid 03-16-2003 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jollyperv
Don't go with DIVX, nobody wants to install a program from a link on a porn site, then restart their computer.
Agree. When you're in the mood, you don't want to restart :thumbsup

strainer 03-16-2003 08:00 AM

Depends on the length of the clips. 30 second stroke clips look great with mpeg and work everywhere.

If you have long movies like I have (1 hour) surfers don't want to download 400 clips just to watch 1 movie though, so advertising or not, rm rules. If you check out the new realone player you'll be impressed. Never had a single member with a problem or complaint using it.

Dont even consider wmv, its broke on the latest Media Player 9 without a patch thats hard to find, for authentication.

Divx besides needing a download - when I called them they wanted $5,000 to license the codec for a pay site.

andi_germany 03-16-2003 02:52 PM

Well seems everyone has a different taste and opinion on that matter. How about asf?

The Machine 03-16-2003 03:04 PM

mpeg-1 of course - free, preferred by surfers.

as for file size, look at <a href=http://www.mafiaprincess.com/funny.mpe>this one</a>

1.4 MB for a pretty high quality 26 sec video. everything depends on your encoding skills.

andi_germany 03-16-2003 03:15 PM

That looks good too me. What is this encoded with?

DolcettChef 03-16-2003 03:17 PM

no one using Flash Video?

and how do you encode into real media format?

tony286 03-16-2003 03:43 PM

bump

DolcettChef 03-16-2003 07:46 PM

bumpity

andi_germany 03-17-2003 02:37 AM

Guess I have to figure out the encoding by doing ;)

jollyperv 03-17-2003 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DolcettChef
no one using Flash Video?

and how do you encode into real media format?

With real media encoder :thumbsup

Paul Markham 03-17-2003 03:09 AM

this is interesting, I'm thinking of doing all the video editing in house soon.

So how do you get Mpeg-1 down to 3.2 meg a minute.

Any hints would be appreciated.

jollyperv 03-17-2003 03:56 AM

Download this program, "Mpeg-1 Bitrate Calculator" from digital-digest.com

Paul Markham 03-17-2003 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jollyperv
Download this program, "Mpeg-1 Bitrate Calculator" from digital-digest.com
I looked on the page and could not find it. Or am I just being stupid as usual?

andi_germany 03-17-2003 05:17 AM

Had to find the page via google.

http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/do...1_bitcalc.html

andi_germany 03-17-2003 05:20 AM

I still would like to know what encoder is used to create the mpg.

merlin 03-17-2003 05:23 AM

Some good info in this thread!

jollyperv 03-17-2003 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andi_germany
I still would like to know what encoder is used to create the mpg.
Tmpgenc, also a download link at digital digest.
You'll never have need for another encoder, you can batch too.

andi_germany 03-17-2003 05:38 AM

Thats what I am using. The problem is that I can't seem to turn off the sound to get a better compression.

I am currently experimenting with a 1.50 minute DV raw file.

I am now getting it down to 18 mb . I will now reduce framesize and see how it looks.

I also Deinterlaced the file with Virtual dub and I am getting the same frame size.

jollyperv 03-17-2003 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andi_germany
Thats what I am using. The problem is that I can't seem to turn off the sound to get a better compression.

I am currently experimenting with a 1.50 minute DV raw file.

I am now getting it down to 18 mb . I will now reduce framesize and see how it looks.

I also Deinterlaced the file with Virtual dub and I am getting the same frame size.

Not sure if you're talking about frame rate or actual window size, but neither of them have anything to do with the final file size.

Film is 29.97 frames per second, you should never really have a need for any other frame rate, unless you want really choppy video...also, if done incorrectly, the audio won't match up with the video that's playing.

andi_germany 03-17-2003 06:42 AM

I was using the damn Wizzard and then you cannot do any changes to Audio or size.

BTW I am using PAL DV so its 25 FPS but thanks for all your info.

SoBeGirl Video 03-17-2003 07:00 AM

http://www.romisex.com/graphics/vid/rsfinal.mpg

look at this mpg. only 2.2mg. SoBEGirl has them. Nobody else can render like this quality and frame size and small file size. If anyone wants these hit me up..

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jollyperv 03-17-2003 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Nobody else can render like this quality and frame size and small file size.
Care to make a wager on that?

andi_germany 03-17-2003 07:40 AM

Well I am getting to decent quality and size but still not even close to what I am seeing.

Why is it that reducing the resolution does not reduce size?

Is there a way to include an img with Tmpgenc or do I need another tool like virtual dub to do it?

jollyperv 03-17-2003 07:53 AM

Virtualdub rules, but I don't think you can add images with it....but I could be wrong.
To watermark & add images, I use premier...it's really easy to do, but other than that I really don't like the program...too much of a resource hog. Just make a bmp in photoshop and import it into premier, then drag it to the timeline. It's better to work with raw AVI when doing this too, but it can get tricky because of the 2 gig filesize limit for AVIs.

Mutt 03-17-2003 08:00 AM

nice site jollyperv, those are Adult Legal licensed DVD rips u do yourself?

how long does it take to rip one DVD and how big is the complete movie? When you bring the DVD into your computer is it in MPEG2 format then you render to MPEG-1 or can you do the conversion to MPEG-1 on the fly as it's coming into the computer?

what is a fair price per minute for somebody to rip DVDs? Two people have been on here lately, one i think was 1.50 per minute of video, other was 2.00 but that included encoding into three formats at different bit rates. I found another guy who will do it for .50 cents per minute of video.

andi_germany 03-17-2003 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jollyperv
Virtualdub rules, but I don't think you can add images with it....but I could be wrong.
To watermark & add images, I use premier...it's really easy to do, but other than that I really don't like the program...too much of a resource hog. Just make a bmp in photoshop and import it into premier, then drag it to the timeline. It's better to work with raw AVI when doing this too, but it can get tricky because of the 2 gig filesize limit for AVIs.


Virtual Dub has many filters from people all over the net. I searched the net and found many of them. One does add a img in targa or bmp. I just did it. I was just wondering if I used VD on the raw file before I encode it to mpg the movie might hurt quality wise.

BTW I got 1 min down to 3.5 mb now in good quality. I wonder how far down the bitrate can go ;)


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