How many members is a realistic goal for a high quality paysite these days? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Struggle4Bucks · 01-19-2015, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by American Psycho

"If you were starting a new paysite today, high quality hardcore exclusive content, what would be a realistic number of members to be at a year later?"

And that is impossible to answer unless all the variables are clearly outlined amd even them its at best an estimate due to real life bs and intangibles.

I think this is an accurate answer^^^

It depends on many factors. Even "Doing everything right" doesn't mean anything without a budget.
You could even say that "doing it right" means that you HAVE a budget. And we have no info on OP's budget to start with.

Low/limited budget= slow growth. Unlimited/large budget(so you are able to keep investing from your own money, not revenu money)= fast growth.
The amount of members to expect by the end of the year all depends on your budget to start with.

People always refer to JT when it comes to starting paysite(s). Even if you have same entries/knowledge about the industry...
referring is pointless if you haven't got the same budget to invest.

MaDalton · 01-19-2015, 07:35 AM

JT wrote something about 30,000 active members at some point - that's like 10-12 million USD per year

slapass · 01-19-2015, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by American Psycho

No pseudo this is what he's asking.
he's asking about STARTING NEW PAYSITE TODAY.

"If you were starting a new paysite today, high quality hardcore exclusive content, what would be a realistic number of members to be at a year later?"

And that is impossible to answer unless all the variables are clearly outlined amd even them its at best an estimate due to real life bs and intangibles.

Hosting? Does he pick a shit host t always down or hacked?
who's shooting it? It is good or meh or best ever?
marketing is endless pit of changing variables?
management?
Staff/contractor on point with delegated tasks or he gets robbed by shady webmaster or designer?
is your manager embezzling or spending frivolously?
does your office get hit and destroyed by a plane flying into the world trade towers? I say that cause it shut down a startupn I was working on.
Etc etc etc etc

Hes not asking a specific enough question and even if he did its still a guess to answer it.

Fact is most big startups fail even with millions in funding and top talent amd theres a reason for that. Its because its nearly impossible to answer.

And hes likely asking about starting a small biz with a bunch of yahoos on a realitively minimal budget.

Bang bros and the huge brands start sites or networks then stop them cause they dont work out for any number of reasons.so they cant answer that but you can?

Hmmmm

Exactly, it is the same in any business. How much will a new bar, restaurant or car dealership make? Who knows. If you have one then you have an idea of how much yours is going to make. That is it.

Mutt · 01-19-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

This is my gut reply (no numbers to support it).

I'm assuming the following...
Good members area that retains well.
Good content that has a sales appeal and converts
A modest budget for acquiring traffic/affiliates (ie whatever the site makes can be re-invested but not much money above and beyond that so no $100,000 a month ad budget).

First month or two you should be able to easily get 10 signups a day.
Months 3 to 6 you should be working your way towards a steady 25 a day average.

If you get to the 25 a day average then you should be able to scale up and hit 40 to 50 a day before year end.

With those targets you would probably hit 1000 active members around Month 7 or 8. Maybe close out the year approaching or hitting 2000 active members.

That's about what I was thinking as a success these days for a new site, 2-3,000 members and only for a site whose content stands out - not ground breaking because who knows what that is until the public sees it and reacts to it, no matter how good you think your concept is it doesn't mean others will appreciate it as something special - but unique enough and high quality.

Production costs would run $10,000 a month.

If you did hit 2000 members 12-18 months into it, how much growth do you think there would be from there?

If you want to tell us how many new joins a day Twistys was making when you sold it go ahead!

Shap · 01-19-2015, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

That's about what I was thinking as a success these days for a new site, 2-3,000 members and only for a site whose content stands out - not ground breaking because who knows what that is until the public sees it and reacts to it, no matter how good you think your concept is it doesn't mean others will appreciate it as something special - but unique enough and high quality.

Production costs would run $10,000 a month.

If you did hit 2000 members 12-18 months into it, how much growth do you think there would be?

I think if you hit those numbers by only re-investing what site makes back into ad budget then the potential for 5,000 to 10,000 members is there. I think aiming for an upper limit of 5,000 members is probably realistic. Then once you hit 5,000 you'll know if 10,000 is possible.

American Psycho · 01-19-2015, 10:11 AM

Lol. So shaps estimate is essentially 10 members and if if if if if if then Mayne up 10000 memebrs only if the content is amazing and unique which no one will know til its made and tested.

Super big lollllll

American Psycho · 01-19-2015, 10:18 AM

Amelia

I have some basic insignt to what my business makes and I have insight as to what some adult companies revenues are because i look into acquisitions and even if not into aquisitons anyone worth his salt in any biz should know what or try to know what competitors make. This info gained from inside info or public avn xbiz articles.

And from that I know for a fact that other companies with no brand like vivid are making inro the millions annuallyn

So yea by deduction it doesnt take a genius to see vivid makes a lot more than that.

Duhhhh

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 11:26 AM

OK please name a PAYSITE that gets over 100K unique daily visitors ORGANICALLY.

???

NOT spending 100K on an ad budget or even 10K.

Mutt did not mention a budget for this. He was asking basic potential but did not mention how much he would spend to get the traffic.

So yeah if you throw a fuck ton of cash at ads you might get somewhere but what kind of conversion are we talking? Certainly not 1:500.

But you want a short, pithy answer? Here it is:

You can still make 100K profit off a paysite in 2015.

Besides, we are not talking a BangBros or Reality Kings here but rather your average standard everyday paysite.

PS: Shap may know Twistys and the state of the Adult paysite biz way back when but NOW? Things have changed dramatically in the last 3-4 years.

trevesty · 01-19-2015, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Really?

....

Kinda what I was thinking.

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 11:44 AM

ThePornNerd, if you truly think you can't get a ballpark number due to him not mentioning the exact investment number, then how come every big new site is in the same ballpark of traffic and most likely , in the same ballpark when ti comes to member bases (to some degree). Or do you not think most of these big new hardcore paysites are in the same ballpark of member bases? Do you think if i named the the last top 10 hardcore sites in 2015, some will have 50 members and some will have 20,000?

Maybe you guys are unaware but there is a number where most sites will level off at, unless its something insanely unique and a business model that is quite different. But otherwise, most sites use very similar models, very similar budgets for shooting models, similar producers, similar tours and business models, similar marketing strategies, etc - Adult is very cookie cutter. Nobody is spending 10 dollars on a marketing budget and becoming successful in 2015 and nobody is spending a million on marketing, its not exactly like it could be anything, you guys are truly overanalyzing. new big hardcore sites are not pulling in 10,000 members. If there was one, its not the norm for big new hardcore sites so why use it as your number to give to a person trying to figure out a projection to use as a goal?

This is truly like somebody asking me how much will a solo girl site should make if done well in 2015 and i answered with, well is she a famous superstar movie actress, is she going to stick around for 10 years, does she have 3 tits, is she going to work 10 hours a day everyday or 1 hour every 500 days, are you going to spend a million on marketing?

do you get what i mean? these aren't the norms, what model works that often? what model works that little? who invests that much into solo and think it could be worth it? etc etc

I could easily answer the question and have a very high percent of being right. Because i use the norms

You can easily calculate how much of a budget hes talking about when he said high quality content, high quality content has a budget thats relatively easy to project. Production costs are roughly the same for most people. Can you cut corners here and there, yes but in the end, MOST companies are spending around the same on models, producers, editors, etc (for one site) - so the only question that remains is marketing, and since he didn't give a number, assume the average, do you not think theres an average? do you think blacked.com and fake taxi's marketing budget is a world apart?

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

ThePornNerd, if you truly think you can't get a ballpark number due to him not mentioning the exact investment number, then how come every big new site is in the same ballpark of traffic and most likely , in the same ballpark to some degree. Or do you not think most of these big new hardcore paysites are in the same ballpark of member bases? Do you think if i named the the last top 10 hardcore sites in 2015, some will have 50 members and some will have 20,000?

OK please list them and we can see.

The problem here is that no one - NO ONE - is going to tell anyone what their paysite is earning. So without cold hard facts (that no one will give) this entire discussion is ridiculous.

Here's why (some of the questions that would need to be answered first):

Is this your first paysite or your tenth?
Do you have an affiliate program in place (traffic)?
Is it exclusive content or not?
How much content will you be shooting per week?
How will you get your traffic? Build it, trade for it or buy it?
If you are buying it then how much are you willing to spend?
How much are you willing to spend to FAIL at findng profitable (paid) traffic sources before you turn profitable?

See, I could go on but you mention "the big new paysites". WHO are releasing these new paysites? BIG companies with BIG budgets or individuals? I was under the assumption that Mutt is a single person, not someone who runs a BIG company with SEO experts, media buyers, etc etc.

So what I said I stand behind: if an INDIVIDUAL is going to start a paysite in 2015 then either there's a BIG budget for content and ads OR an individual tries to build it up "organically" (through traffic trades, SEO, tube uploads, affiliates, etc).

Besides, how many paysites are started by BIG companies that fail after that company has invested thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands?

We are talking scale here, and since this is about MUTT (and not paysites started by Roald's company or JT's or Mind Geek's) then let's be fucking realistic here people please. LOL

PS: Since you added text after I quoted you I will say this: I think we are saying the same thing here. LOL I gave a basic projection of 100K profit for your typical harcore paysite in 2015. This is AFTER content production, ad buys, etc. I think that is realistic. This is in the first year remember, not over the life of the site.

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

OK please list them and we can see.

The problem here is thatno one - NO ONE - is going to tell anyone what their paysite is earning. So without cold hard facts (that no one will give) this entire discussion is ridiculous.

Here's why (some of the questions that would need to be answered first:

Is this your first paysite or your tenth?
Do you have an affiliate program in place (traffic)?
Is it exclusive content or not?
How much content will you be shooting per week?
How will you get your traffic? Build it, trade for it or buy it?
If you are buying it then how much are you willing to spend?
How much are you willing to spend to FAIL at findng profitable (paid) traffic sources before you turn profitable?

See, I could go on but you mention "the big new paysites". WHO are releasing these new paysites? BIG companies with BIG budgets or individuals? I was under the assumption that Mutt is a single person, not someone who runs a BIG company with SEO exprts, media buyers, etc etc.

So what I said I stand behind: if an INDIVIDUAL is going to start a paysite in 2015 then either there's a BIG budget for content and ads OR an individual tries to build it up "organically" (through traffic trades, SEO, tube uploads, affiliates, etc).

Besides, how many paysites are started by BIG companies that fail after thatcompany has invested thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands?

We are talking scale here, and since this is about MUTT (and not paysites started by Roald's company or JT's or Mind Geek's) then let's be fucking realistic here people please. LOL

Again, you are overanalyzing everything to TRY to make it difficult to answer, asking questions that are ridiculous, very similar to the ones i gave you in my last post

Is this your first site? Really? how many people are launching their first hardcore sites? almost every site in the past how many years has been a site from a company already tied to adult. so why ask that? LIKE I SAID, USE THE AVERAGES!

Do you have an affiliate program in place (traffic)? Ill answer it again, use the averages. Who wouldn't throw up an affiliate program? Do the majority use one? correct. Its alrady been mentiond that hes wondring what a successful new hardcore paysite coudl make in 2015 , so assume that he means if done correctly. having a program is done correctly btw. so your question is answered

Is it exclusive? Do i need to repeat myself, OBVIOUSLY.

How much content will you be shooting per week? Well if you launch with the average amount and update once per week, why does it matter how much youre shooting, thats only stocking up for the future. So no that doesn't affect anything, how often you update, is that yoru question? well how about using teh fucking average, most sites update once a week, why not use that ??!?!?!

How will you get your traffic? Build it, trade for it or buy it???

Well how about all of them since all new big companies do that!!

"Besides, how many paysites are started by BIG companies that fail after that company has invested thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands?"

Again, mentiond several times that he was talking about what one is capable of doing in 2015. So that means, if done correctly and one that worked out as planned. *shakes head*

Do you not see that you are just trying to be difficult? lol

"See, I could go on but you mention "the big new paysites". WHO are releasing these new paysites? BIG companies with BIG budgets or individuals? I was under the assumption that Mutt is a single person, not someone who runs a BIG company with SEO exprts, media buyers, etc etc."

If mutt was looking at doing that, he would hire then necessary people. Or it wouldn't be capable of raeching its potential, the potential hes wondering about. Why would one want to reach a high potential, not invest into those things? Thats stupidity. If he meant on a tight budget with no workers, he would have said that.

Anyway take mutt out of your examples because hes not asking what you guys think he could make, hes basically asking what successful sites make in 2015. I clarified that a page ago. your posts are getting more and more like you think the question is, wht do you think a new site will make in 2015

Re: your request for a list, i will come up with one soon, im currently looking at this stuff, i just found out the average people launch with. next up, putting together a list of all the top hew hardcore sites in very recent years. it might take a bit longer to complete as im working on a bunch of stuff but i will post it here if i do, i wont be dead on or in order but it will be able to give people a rough idea

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

PS: Since you added text after I quoted you I will say this: I think we are saying the same thing here. LOL I gave a basic projection of 100K profit for your typical harcore paysite in 2015. This is AFTER content production, ad buys, etc. I think that is realistic. This is in the first year remember, not over the life of the site.

yeah i know ;) i was just picking things out of your post to respond to for other people.

but what is that in members, since he asked members, not profit. i also think thats extremely low. 100k isnt very much for a success new hardcore site. its much more than that. blacked, faketaxi, wowgirls, just ones off the top of my head, ill get more soon, all made wayyyy more than that in their first year

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

JT wrote something about 30,000 active members at some point - that's like 10-12 million USD per year

well that would be across his network. and that does seem high but i guess possible? you do get more members with 1 dollar trials, etc - the profit per member just goes down

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

yeah i know ;) i was just picking things out of your post to respond to for other people.

but what is that in members, since he asked members, not profit. i also think thats extremely low. 100k isnt very much for a success new hardcore site. its much more than that. blacked, faketaxi, wowgirls, just ones off the top of my head, ill get more soon, all made wayyyy more than that in their first year

Yes but AGAIN you are mentioning large companies with large ad budgets etc. IF that is the question then YES a paysite can make much more than 100K a year. BUT if we are talking a smaller-sized company then I stand by my projections. It's very simple. LOL

And since the OP is MUTT then I am going to assume that Mutt is NOT Mind Geek. LOL So again (as with your solo girls analogy) what is 'realistic'? COULD a paysite make millions? Sure - but what's the cost? Is Mutt going to invest that much in his new paysite?

I think we are arguing about different things here. I am sorry but when it comes to mega-sites by BIG companies I do not compare them with what a smaller-sized company (or an individual) could achieve.

So for the last time (since I run 82 paysites and have been doing this for six years now at a time when things are DEcreasing, not INcreasing so obviously I know nothing): an average sized paysite without anything special will garner between 500-1000 Members in its' first year (if everything is done correctly and people like the site) with a profit potential of 100K+. Could it be MORE? Yes - but only if you throw tons of money at it.

Final note: If anyone thinks the paysite business in 2015 is "thriving" or "growing" or "flourishing" then you are high on drugs. LOL

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Yes but AGAIN you are mentioning large companies with large ad budgets etc. IF that is the question then YES a paysite can make much more than 100K a year. BUT if we are talking a smaller-sized company then I stand by my projections. It's very simple. LOL

And since the OP is MUTT then I am going to assume that Mutt is NOT Mind Geek. LOL So again (as with your solo girls analogy) what is 'realistic'? COULD a paysite make millions? Sure - but what's the cost? Is Mutt going to invest that much in his new paysite?

I think we are arguing about different things here. I am sorry but when it comes to mega-sites by BIG companies I do not compare them with what a smaller-sized company (or an individual) could achieve.

So for the last time (since I run 82 paysites and have been doing this for six years now at a time when things are DEcreasing, not INcreasing so obviously I know nothing): an average sized paysite without anything special will garner between 500-1000 Members in its' first year (if everything is done correctly and people like the site) with a profit potential of 100K+. Could it be MORE? Yes - but only if you throw tons of money at it.

Final note: If anyone thinks the paysite business in 2015 is "thriving" or "growing" or "flourishing" then you are high on drugs. LOL

If you reread the first page and dont just focus on what you think he meant out of his original post , you will understand what was being asked. And mutt is not the average webmaster BTW. ANd if he were to do it, he wouldnt' do it on a small budget compared to others. This is the guy who performed better than every other person in his niche and spent wayyyyy more than everybody else on his projects. Hes not going to suddenly be a quantity over quality guy. If you look at the quality of his content, his eye for quality is extremely high. So i dont see how that'd change once you change to hardcore. BTW, you are also answering what you think he can make which wasn't the question. His question if you dont want to re-read the first page was, what is a realistic number of those that are succeeding in 2015

He did mention high quality content, you show me a hardcore site with very high quality content and competent marketing that failed? Is it the norm? I cant' think of any, especially not if that project was their main concern. Maybe we have a different view on whats high quality ;) I dont find any of your content high quality. I find x-art high quality. Hopefully that doesn't sound like a knock, im just trying to give you and others a better idea of what he meant. What one might think is high quality and what others think is high quality could definitely differ, so im giving you examples of what he considers high quality

MaDalton · 01-19-2015, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

well that would be across his network. and that does seem high but i guess possible? you do get more members with 1 dollar trials, etc - the profit per member just goes down

no need for names but there are still people that do 5000+ transactions per week - and probably more

i'm afraid they don't hang out on GFY though

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

no need for names but there are still people that do 5000+ transactions per week - and probably more

i'm afraid they don't hang out on GFY though

of course there are, never said there wasnt? Thats confusing. I meant thats higher than i predicted he would have but not insanely far off

There is a difference between old established websites who branded themselves in the a better market and brand new websites btw. especially when speaking of traditional paysites.

American Psycho · 01-19-2015, 12:55 PM

How deep is the rabbit hole?

..... on a tuesdayyyyyyy

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by American Psycho

How deep is the rabbit hole?

..... on a tuesdayyyyyyy

yep asking what hardcore sites that all launched around the same year, are pulling in on average for members is very much the same as asking how deep is the rabbit role.

Next time somebody asks me what a solo site should make in 2015 if done properly, ill answer them, who knows, 15 cents or 5 million ;) Thank god Mutt didn't have your way of thinking , when i got into this business, i asked him what i should expect to make, i made very close to what he projected. He must be some sort of psychic. You can't know the market. lol

But youre right about the discussion being pointless considering none of the guys who run the high quality successful new sites post here, they know their market. Most here couldn't even guess

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

He did mention high quality content, you show me a hardcore site with very high quality content and competent marketing that failed? Is it the norm? I cant' think of any, especially not if that project was their main concern. Maybe we have a different view on whats high quality ;) I dont find any of your content high quality. I find x-art high quality. Hopefully that doesn't sound like a knock, im just trying to give you and others a better idea of what he meant. What one might think is high quality and what others think is high quality could definitely differ, so im giving you examples of what he considers high quality

OK you obviously do not know me or my websites. LOL Perhaps it is my cartoon avatar that confuses people.

Welcome to ErosExotica HD - www.ErosExoticaHD.com
Fellucia Blow HD - Welcome - Erotic Blowjob Videos In HD
Touch the Body HD - Welcome - Free Tour
Welcome to LesLesbians!
Parody Bros - Welcome To The Ultimate XXX Parody Movies Collection!
www.bollywood-nudes.com

To name a few. These sites ARE as high quality as X-Art. How do I know (besides using my eyes)? Because I know how much we spent on content. LOL 50k for 25 blowjobs. LOL

BIG sites that have failed? How about blowjob.com? Or porn.com? You and Mutt know solo girls, not hardcore apparently but that's ok. Several times I have said these projections:

Smaller paysite: 500-1000 members/100K first year profit (after costs)
BIG paysites: depends, sky's the limit, etc etc.

I do not see where ANY of what I say here is crazy, unrealistic, off-base, weird or wrong. Sorry guys but I think many of you (not all) have your heads up your asses when it comes to this subject.

Mutt? First are you his spokesman? I think Mutt is more than capable of fleshing out his own expectations. But even the mighty Mutt, unless he has a BIG budget, will not crack my projections IMHO. Maybe I am wrong (I hope so, I always root for success) but I doubt it. Mutt did not mention Brazzers or Fake Taxi levels. Based on his other sites I would estimate a 'medium-sized' hardcore paysite at best.

Good luck to him!!

American Psycho · 01-19-2015, 01:50 PM

" reread the first page and dont just focus on what you think he meant out of his original post , you will understand what was being asked"

Thats a round about way of asking a question lol

American Psycho · 01-19-2015, 02:22 PM

maybe start another thread with this as the question:

how many members does wowgirls.com or a site similar to whatever level of site(s) he meant in the OP which to me is still unclear.

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by American Psycho

maybe start another thread with this as the question:

how many members does wowgirls.com or a site similar to whatever level of site(s) he meant in the OP which to me is still unclear.

Yeah I give up. LOL Good luck to all the participants is all I can say.

But if someone is not going to tell me how much $$$ they are willing to invest in a project then it's almost impossible to give a realistic answer. If the answer is "$0" then I could comment. LOL

nm_ · 01-19-2015, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Yeah I give up. LOL Good luck to all the participants is all I can say.

But if someone is not going to tell me how much $$$ they are willing to invest in a project then it's almost impossible to give a realistic answer. If the answer is "$0" then I could comment. LOL

just curious, how much do you usually allocate into new projects before launching?

like

5k for initial content?
5k for marketing/traffic?
etc?

American Psycho · 01-19-2015, 02:53 PM

how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nm_

just curious, how much do you usually allocate into new projects before launching?

like

5k for initial content?
5k for marketing/traffic?
etc?

But again, it depends. At this point I would not shoot 'generic' porn (two people fucking on a couch, for example) and expect a great ROI. A content provider like MaDalton can talk better as to exact shooting costs but here's my basic breakdown:

$2,500 - $3,000 per scene, all costs included. You can get several scenes perhaps from that budget but remember you gotta pay talent (models, director) plus production (hair/makeup, sound, lighting) plus location plus post-production.

So it depends on how many scenes to start the site then how many scenes per week to keep updating it. Being a clever and creative fellow I prefer to find existing content and resell it in unique ways. Therefore I allocate basic design costs, hosting, traffic and marketing, and since I already run 3 Affiliate Programs plugging a new site into my 'system' is relatively easy at this point.

IF I were starting from scratch I would allocate $20k to start a site, if I could manage it, or 10K and spend almost all the money on content. The rest I could build with sweat equity. This assumes I wouldn't just shoot the content myself POV-style. Which I did. I started with $0 money and had to borrow the processing fees just to start anything. LOL

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

OK you obviously do not know me or my websites. LOL Perhaps it is my cartoon avatar that confuses people.

Welcome to ErosExotica HD - www.ErosExoticaHD.com
Fellucia Blow HD - Welcome - Erotic Blowjob Videos In HD
Touch the Body HD - Welcome - Free Tour
Welcome to LesLesbians!
Parody Bros - Welcome To The Ultimate XXX Parody Movies Collection!
www.bollywood-nudes.com

To name a few. These sites ARE as high quality as X-Art. How do I know (besides using my eyes)? Because I know how much we spent on content. LOL 50k for 25 blowjobs. LOL

BIG sites that have failed? How about blowjob.com? Or porn.com? You and Mutt know solo girls, not hardcore apparently but that's ok. Several times I have said these projections:

Smaller paysite: 500-1000 members/100K first year profit (after costs)
BIG paysites: depends, sky's the limit, etc etc.

I do not see where ANY of what I say here is crazy, unrealistic, off-base, weird or wrong. Sorry guys but I think many of you (not all) have your heads up your asses when it comes to this subject.

Mutt? First are you his spokesman? I think Mutt is more than capable of fleshing out his own expectations. But even the mighty Mutt, unless he has a BIG budget, will not crack my projections IMHO. Maybe I am wrong (I hope so, I always root for success) but I doubt it. Mutt did not mention Brazzers or Fake Taxi levels. Based on his other sites I would estimate a 'medium-sized' hardcore paysite at best.

Good luck to him!!

How many times do i have to say, the question wsn't what you expected him to do, he was trying to figure out what the high quality sites these days pull in if everything is done right.

Now you are arguing something completely different but ill play along

If you are a fraction the size of x-art, believe your content is the same quality, its exclusive, etc etc - then there lies other massive issues. possibly because you are a one man show? and trying to run 100 sites? i dont know bud but i can tell you, for anyone who is competent and has a history of launching big sites, invests the average amount that these guys hardcore big guys invest, that you should make a certain amount, numbers ive thrown around like a couple thousand+ members

I do think your sites are an exception than the norm, if they are infact exclusive, shot recently (and not dated content), has good models, etc - im sorry but if all that is true, you are massively underachieving

Where is your stuff filmed? North america?

Im sorry but yes there are tons of hardcore sites out there, the average person doesn't have high quality content, just because its shot with a nice camera, has studio lighting and hardcore porn actors, doesn'tm ean its high quality. Most of those sites you listed, look like generic oldschool porn and mots of the models are not hot. Looks like a quantity over quality type of business model. Which it is, you know thats the way you manage your business. Ireally dont want to sound like im bashing, its moreso constructive criticism and showing you that , when somebody says high quality hardcore content, they do not mean the average hardcore porn site, like what you have shown me. Youre content is NOT x-art. Theres more to it than what you spend

Am i his spokesman? You made comments about him, i gave you more information so that you could have a better prediction. Im not sure why anybody would ask questions like will it be exclusive, or will he invest little, etc etc - if they knew him. so i am educating you about how he runs his sites. would you prefer not knowing all the information?

"BIG sites that have failed? How about blowjob.com? Or porn.com? You and Mutt know solo girls, not hardcore apparently but that's ok. Several times I have said these projections:"

And to be honest, i dont know what happened behind the scenes, possibly they launch a bunch of products and one was making more money than the other by alot so they focused on the bigger one and stopped focusing on the lower site to make better use of their time and money, does that mean one would be a failure if you lauched one site and made it the best you could? Also, maybe that one was a partnership with a producer who wasnt as good as the other producers? I mean, hell that content is shit. I can see why it'd fail

I was asking because i couldn't; think of any off hand, yes obviously there is some to fail. Is that the norm? NO! its rare. and secondly, you just list websites, if everything that is hardcore and from a big company high quality? im sorry but im looking at blowjob.com's content and if thats what you call high quality, then it comes back to us having a different view of whats HQ. Nubilefilms is high quality, most of brazzers sites are high quality, blacked.com is high quality

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:00 PM

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Yeah I give up. LOL Good luck to all the participants is all I can say.

But if someone is not going to tell me how much $$$ they are willing to invest in a project then it's almost impossible to give a realistic answer. If the answer is "$0" then I could comment. LOL

I shouldn't need to answer that question, the people who know the answers already know this. This is a hard question for GFYERS!!! Because they do not know what the average big company spends. Simple as that. If i have to tell you how much the average person invests, how many sets the average person starts with, how often it updates, then you are the person who can answer the question.

JT could easily answer the question. But he would not share that information. As could diesel, as could any of the owners.

I told you from the very very start, and repeated it 10x, hes wondering what top new sites are pulling in on average. that would mean, spending near what they spend, because thats what you need to spend to be them.

stop posting as if hes asking how much can i make if i launch a site today.

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:02 PM

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But again, it depends. At this point I would not shoot 'generic' porn (two people fucking on a couch, for example) and expect a great ROI. A content provider like MaDalton can talk better as to exact shooting costs but here's my basic breakdown:

$2,500 - $3,000 per scene, all costs included. You can get several scenes perhaps from that budget but remember you gotta pay talent (models, director) plus production (hair/makeup, sound, lighting) plus location plus post-production.

So it depends on how many scenes to start the site then how many scenes per week to keep updating it. Being a clever and creative fellow I prefer to find existing content and resell it in unique ways. Therefore I allocate basic design costs, hosting, traffic and marketing, and since I already run 3 Affiliate Programs plugging a new site into my 'system' is relatively easy at this point.

IF I were starting from scratch I would allocate $20k to start a site, if I could manage it, or 10K and spend almost all the money on content. The rest I could build with sweat equity. This assumes I wouldn't just shoot the content myself POV-style. Which I did. I started with $0 money and had to borrow the processing fees just to start anything. LOL

Your startup is 20k to start a hardcore site? Well now i see why youre numbers and everything you keep saying is ridiculously small. LOL im sorrry but you could never get big with 20k. Ill give you a pretend budget just to help you out. Lets pretend its a couple hundred thousand to do everything (for one single site, and that site being your only focus). JT has already stated he only spent a few hundred k. so lets use that as an example

ITraffic · 01-19-2015, 04:05 PM

porn.com is a tube and one the biggest adult sites out there.

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

porn.com is a tube and one the biggest adult sites out there.

did it attempt to be a paysite before that? i assume thats what he would have been speaking about

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 04:11 PM

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Your startup is 20k to start a hardcore site? Well now i see why youre numbers and everything you keep saying is ridiculously small. LOL im sorrry but you could never get big with 20k. Ill give you a pretend budget just to help you out. Lets pretend its a couple hundred thousand to do everything (for one single site, and that site being your only focus). JT has already stated he only spent a few hundred k. so lets use that as an example

Dude you really need to stop now. You do not know how many Members I have or how much traffic I get or how many joins I do a day. You are assuming a LOT, and making wrong assumptions.

Now if you think Fellucia Blow is not the same quality as X-Art then you are fucking high and this is where I stop communicating with you.

Mutt was NOT asking how much the big boys make, he was asking what he could reasonably expect if starting a paysite in 2015. Am I wrong there?

OVER and over I stated there are several teirs of paysites. JT's sites nd Brazzers et al are NOT your average everyday hardcore site. I never said I was a big company, in fact the opposite, but I never said I am a one-man show, either. How many employees does Mutt have, BTW?

So you think my sites are shit, think I have no traffic and no members and do not know anything. OK - so we are done here because that is idiotic thinking tho you are entitled to it.

OVER and over again I asked HOW MUCH to start this paysite? Did Mutt (or ANYONE) say $200K to shoot content? IS Mutt going to spend $200K to shoot content? IF so then he could do what JT or Brazzers does, IF not then my projections stand. Oh - and many, many paysites (good ones that make $$$) start with a buget of 20K.

So again, we're done.

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:14 PM

felluciablowhd.com Site Overview is it launched?

But yes it is high quality content, that one i would say is. But the question wasn't whether high quality content should make you successful, if there is other massive problems, then obviously it wont be capable of becoming big. Thats why the question was , whats a big new site capable of doing, with high quality content. You have high quality content on one site, but there are other issues, if there wasn't, that site would be much much bigger

Im making assumptions based on evidence, much evidence. that site is very small.

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

If you were starting a new paysite today, high quality hardcore exclusive content, what would be a realistic number of members to be at a year later?

Don't reply with 'how long is a piece of string?' I'm not talking about some outlier of a unique paysite, the way X-Art was when it went hardcore, I'm talking about a paysite with content that is really good, appeals to a wide audience but not 'wow i never saw a site like that'.

THIS was the original question. WHERE did we go from this to Brazzers, Fake Taxi, etc etc etc?

By WHAT MUTT WROTE - not what someone else has interpreted FOR Mutt - I stand by my posts. We have NO other info here (costs, traffic, etc) to go on and assuming Mutt meant this or thatis fucking retarded. What is "reasonable"? Wow, that depends doesn't it? On perspective? Is 20K or 200K or 2MILLION "reasonable"?

Mutt began this thread with fluffy questions and now, because I answer them FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I get shit? Thanks but no thanks.

Where is Mutt?

Struggle4Bucks · 01-19-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Your startup is 20k to start a hardcore site? Well now i see why youre numbers and everything you keep saying is ridiculously small. LOL im sorrry but you could never get big with 20k.

Yes... but wasn't that the point of all points? That's why he and others like me said that budget is the key thing to know...

So now we can assume (because that's what you are implying, right? ) that a budget for OP isn't the issue...and we can try to figure out the big boys numbers to know what to expect...

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Mutt was NOT asking how much the big boys make, he was asking what he could reasonably expect if starting a paysite in 2015. Am I wrong there?
.

Yes and i quickly corrected what he was seeking out of the question, and clarified for people. dont tell me what he was asking, im telling you. i know what he was asking for and meant out of the post.

The question was, what should a high quality site make in 2015, obviously one that was run by competent marketers and an average budget, 20k for a site is not close to average. somebody couldn't pay me enough money to launch a site if the budget was 20k

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

felluciablowhd.com Site Overview is it launched?

But yes it is high quality content, that one i would say is. But the question wasn't whether high quality content should make you successful, if there is other massive problems, then obviously it wont be capable of becoming big. Thats why the question was , whats a big new site capable of doing, with high quality content. You have high quality content on one site, but there are other issues, if there wasn't, that site would be much much bigger

Im making assumptions based on evidence, much evidence. that site is very small.

WHAT "evidence"? How "big" do you think Fellucia is or is not? Dude please stop smoking whatever it is you are doing ok?

I just posted Mutt's original question and it was not 'a big new site'. Mutt never mentioned size. Jesus Christ man.

Is it launched? YES. Is it making $$$? YES. Evidence LMAO. All those sites I posted have quality content, everything on Eleganxia (Erotic Revenue) does. Go away now.

ITraffic · 01-19-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

did it attempt to be a paysite before that? i assume thats what he would have been speaking about

maybe for a little while initially.

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Yes... but wasn't that the point of all points? That's why he and others like me said that budget is the key thing to know...

So now we can assume (because that's what you are implying, right? ) that a budget for OP isn't the issue...and we can try to figure out the big boys numbers to know what to expect...

Well i mentioend very early that he wanted to know what successful (on a large scale) sites were making in 2015, so that he knows what a good site is capable of doing. vast majority of sucessful big hardcore sites had budgets between 200-1 million.

thats why ive repeated 10x, assume everything average. 20k is not average, maybe for a gfyer on his typical project. but not a high quality project

Struggle4Bucks · 01-19-2015, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Mutt was NOT asking how much the big boys make, he was asking what he could reasonably expect if starting a paysite in 2015. Am I wrong there?

OVER and over again I asked HOW MUCH to start this paysite? Did Mutt (or ANYONE) say $200K to shoot content? IS Mutt going to spend $200K to shoot content? IF so then he could do what JT or Brazzers does, IF not then my projections stand. Oh - and many, many paysites (good ones that make $$$) start with a buget of 20K.

So again, we're done.

i agree with this...

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Yes and i quickly corrected what he was seeking out of the question, and clarified for people. dont tell me what he was asking, im telling you. i know what he was asking for and meant out of the post.

The question was, what should a high quality site make in 2015, obviously one that was run by competent marketers and an average budget, 20k for a site is not close to average. somebody couldn't pay me enough money to launch a site if the budget was 20k

YOU clarified? How? Did Mutt TELL you? WTF man, are you a double nick? Now only YOU can extrapolate what Mutt meant?

Wow.

You fucking jump on me when I ask for basic numbers (like content budget, traffic budget, etc) and point out the different levels of investment by saying my shit sucks. LOL I NEVER said my sites were the equal of whomever you bring up. What is wrong with you dude? Want me to pick apart YOUR shitty solo girls sites?

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

THIS was the original question. WHERE did we go from this to Brazzers, Fake Taxi, etc etc etc?

By WHAT MUTT WROTE - not what someone else has interpreted FOR Mutt - I stand by my posts. We have NO other info here (costs, traffic, etc) to go on and assuming Mutt meant this or thatis fucking retarded. What is "reasonable"? Wow, that depends doesn't it? On perspective? Is 20K or 200K or 2MILLION "reasonable"?

Mutt began this thread with fluffy questions and now, because I answer them FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I get shit? Thanks but no thanks.

Where is Mutt?

I speak for Mutt, i know his opinion and this post was made due to a conversation ME AND MUTT were having . Hes not responding because i am saying what he wants to say. and is too lazy to say. Not everybody likes to waste their time on gfy, i have some time right now though ;) I already mentioend successful sites these days, and their budget was not 20k, nor were they 2 million so why would you think those would be the budgets? i also already said what JT invested prior to you asking and to use that as a budget, if you want. Or even 100k-200k

Struggle4Bucks · 01-19-2015, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Well i mentioend very early that he wanted to know what successful (on a large scale) sites were making in 2015, so that he knows what a good site is capable of doing. vast majority of sucessful big hardcore sites had budgets between 200-1 million.

thats why ive repeated 10x, assume everything average. 20k is not average, maybe for a gfyer on his typical project. but not a high quality project

If this was the question:

If you were starting a new paysite today, high quality hardcore exclusive content, what would be a realistic number of members to be at a year later?

Then the only correct answer would be: depends on budget.

There is more to succes then only HQ hardcore exclusive content so there must be more added to know what to expect. How can we assume that there is 200k-1 million to invest?
HQ quality content was the only variable

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

If this was the question:

If you were starting a new paysite today, high quality hardcore exclusive content, what would be a realistic number of members to be at a year later?

Then the only correct answer would be: depends on budget.

There is more to succes then only HQ hardcore exclusive content so there must be more added to know what to expect. How can we assume that there is 200k-1 million to invest?
HQ quality content was the only variable

lol you guys are STILL arguing with me as if you dont know what the intentions of the post were. i helped clarify already. you and thepornnerd both must've assumed this post didnt' involve me. i said, i KNOW the intentions of the post. so i helped clarify what he was seeking out of his post. WHy is this so hard for people to understand.

When somebody said , depends on budget. i told people what he was wanting to know, which is what top successful sites should make if ran properly. i gave examples of sites that are succeeding these days on the scale mutt is wondering about. which should give you a ballpark budget. but people still acted as if nothing was said, and you dont know if the budget is 0 or 2 million. is blacked, fake taxi, wowgirls, spending 0 or 2 million, no. so dont act as if that could be possible.

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

WHAT "evidence"? How "big" do you think Fellucia is or is not? Dude please stop smoking whatever it is you are doing ok?

I just posted Mutt's original question and it was not 'a big new site'. Mutt never mentioned size. Jesus Christ man.

Is it launched? YES. Is it making $$$? YES. Evidence LMAO. All those sites I posted have quality content, everything on Eleganxia (Erotic Revenue) does. Go away now.

any site that has 0 alexa graph data and a rank of 500,000+ doesn't have much traffic. prove me wrong. ive been doing this for a long time and ive ran atleast 500,000 sites into that thing and its had an accurate rough estimate of every site that isn't fooling the system.

like i said, dont agree? prove me wrong, should be easy to show me one site. it detects any site over 25k daily~ daily in the graph. and any site with over 5-10k daily of traffic should have a ranking of better than 500,000. obviously just rough estimates but yours is so far under these estimates that i can be 99.9 percent confident.

but is there a .1 chance im wrong, yes. i would actually like to be proved wrong. i dont like having incorrect information

Ill have fun and throw out a guess of what kind of traffic it gets, i'd say, under 8,000 a day? am i wrong?

You posted mutt's original question, and now post my posts following it, that clarified what information he was seeking. So like ive said 10x, stop reading the original post only and gathering your own opinion of what he was wondering.

The Porn Nerd · 01-19-2015, 04:52 PM

1. Start a fucking thread YOURSELF and be more fucking specific THERE.
2. Content is one variable. 200K, great. NOW what? What is the ad budget for Reality Kings? Or X-Art or Wow or Twistys. Fucking pick one.

Why the fuck do you think Brazzers or Bangbros hasn't chimed in here and said "We have x # of Members etc"? THAT is what you are really asking, isn't it?

Wow, great communication skills dude. You could have asked all those things (in your own thread) without attacking me or my sites (and getting everything completely wrong).
And I'M the one with 'massive problems'. LOL

BTW: Did YOU spend more than 20K to start Autumn Riley or one of your solo sites? Just curious since you scoff at 20K.

ITraffic · 01-19-2015, 04:53 PM

simple question, no? how many members do top existing hardcore paysites have in this day and age?

slapass · 01-19-2015, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

ThePornNerd, if you truly think you can't get a ballpark number due to him not mentioning the exact investment number, then how come every big new site is in the same ballpark of traffic and most likely , in the same ballpark when ti comes to member bases (to some degree). Or do you not think most of these big new hardcore paysites are in the same ballpark of member bases? Do you think if i named the the last top 10 hardcore sites in 2015, some will have 50 members and some will have 20,000?

Maybe you guys are unaware but there is a number where most sites will level off at, unless its something insanely unique and a business model that is quite different. But otherwise, most sites use very similar models, very similar budgets for shooting models, similar producers, similar tours and business models, similar marketing strategies, etc - Adult is very cookie cutter. Nobody is spending 10 dollars on a marketing budget and becoming successful in 2015 and nobody is spending a million on marketing, its not exactly like it could be anything, you guys are truly overanalyzing. new big hardcore sites are not pulling in 10,000 members. If there was one, its not the norm for big new hardcore sites so why use it as your number to give to a person trying to figure out a projection to use as a goal?

This is truly like somebody asking me how much will a solo girl site should make if done well in 2015 and i answered with, well is she a famous superstar movie actress, is she going to stick around for 10 years, does she have 3 tits, is she going to work 10 hours a day everyday or 1 hour every 500 days, are you going to spend a million on marketing?

do you get what i mean? these aren't the norms, what model works that often? what model works that little? who invests that much into solo and think it could be worth it? etc etc

I could easily answer the question and have a very high percent of being right. Because i use the norms

You can easily calculate how much of a budget hes talking about when he said high quality content, high quality content has a budget thats relatively easy to project. Production costs are roughly the same for most people. Can you cut corners here and there, yes but in the end, MOST companies are spending around the same on models, producers, editors, etc (for one site) - so the only question that remains is marketing, and since he didn't give a number, assume the average, do you not think theres an average? do you think blacked.com and fake taxi's marketing budget is a world apart?

And you don't think your two examples are world's apart? As an affiliate seller, we know that some sites sell 1:400 and some sell 1:4000. And a big chuck of that is tweaks to the tour, how much the content is out there. How good is the content? Produced well? Edited well? Pirated a lot?

You can name the top ten but can you name the top ten that crashed and burned on similar themes? Execution is the key.

Pseudonymous · 01-19-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

1. Start a fucking thread YOURSELF and be more fucking specific THERE.
2. Content is one variable. 200K, great. NOW what? What is the ad budget for Reality Kings? Or X-Art or Wow or Twistys. Fucking pick one.

Why the fuck do you think Brazzers or Bangbros hasn't chimed in here and said "We have x # of Members etc"? THAT is what you are really asking, isn't it?

Wow, great communication skills dude. You could have asked all those things (in your own thread) without attacking me or my sites (and getting everything completely wrong).
And I'M the one with 'massive problems'. LOL

BTW: Did YOU spend more than 20K to start Autumn Riley or one of your solo sites? Just curious since you scoff at 20K.

WHy would i start a thread myself when i could easy answer peoples questions people had about the original post? i didn't think you'd argue with me about what he meant or what teh question was, considering i said i was speaking for him early on

People asked budget, i answered that. Why start my own thread when the OP made for US?

Solo girls take the smallest investments in the whole industry? We are speaking about high quality hardcore. 20k is fine for solo, 20k is alot for tgps and 20k is nothing for a high quality hardcore project. i think that answers that.

Why hasn't brazzers or anyone big chimed in? Because they dont share personal information. Thats a silly question. He was hoping for somebody with loose lips that might know of numbers, which hes already stated. And he was also wondering what you guys thought they made. basically.

01-19-2015, 07:35 AM	#52
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,822	JT wrote something about 30,000 active members at some point - that's like 10-12 million USD per year __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

01-19-2015, 11:26 AM	#58
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,532	OK please name a PAYSITE that gets over 100K unique daily visitors ORGANICALLY. ??? NOT spending 100K on an ad budget or even 10K. Mutt did not mention a budget for this. He was asking basic potential but did not mention how much he would spend to get the traffic. So yeah if you throw a fuck ton of cash at ads you might get somewhere but what kind of conversion are we talking? Certainly not 1:500. But you want a short, pithy answer? Here it is: You can still make 100K profit off a paysite in 2015. Besides, we are not talking a BangBros or Reality Kings here but rather your average standard everyday paysite. PS: Shap may know Twistys and the state of the Adult paysite biz way back when but NOW? Things have changed dramatically in the last 3-4 years. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

01-19-2015, 11:44 AM	#60
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	ThePornNerd, if you truly think you can't get a ballpark number due to him not mentioning the exact investment number, then how come every big new site is in the same ballpark of traffic and most likely , in the same ballpark when ti comes to member bases (to some degree). Or do you not think most of these big new hardcore paysites are in the same ballpark of member bases? Do you think if i named the the last top 10 hardcore sites in 2015, some will have 50 members and some will have 20,000? Maybe you guys are unaware but there is a number where most sites will level off at, unless its something insanely unique and a business model that is quite different. But otherwise, most sites use very similar models, very similar budgets for shooting models, similar producers, similar tours and business models, similar marketing strategies, etc - Adult is very cookie cutter. Nobody is spending 10 dollars on a marketing budget and becoming successful in 2015 and nobody is spending a million on marketing, its not exactly like it could be anything, you guys are truly overanalyzing. new big hardcore sites are not pulling in 10,000 members. If there was one, its not the norm for big new hardcore sites so why use it as your number to give to a person trying to figure out a projection to use as a goal? This is truly like somebody asking me how much will a solo girl site should make if done well in 2015 and i answered with, well is she a famous superstar movie actress, is she going to stick around for 10 years, does she have 3 tits, is she going to work 10 hours a day everyday or 1 hour every 500 days, are you going to spend a million on marketing? do you get what i mean? these aren't the norms, what model works that often? what model works that little? who invests that much into solo and think it could be worth it? etc etc I could easily answer the question and have a very high percent of being right. Because i use the norms You can easily calculate how much of a budget hes talking about when he said high quality content, high quality content has a budget thats relatively easy to project. Production costs are roughly the same for most people. Can you cut corners here and there, yes but in the end, MOST companies are spending around the same on models, producers, editors, etc (for one site) - so the only question that remains is marketing, and since he didn't give a number, assume the average, do you not think theres an average? do you think blacked.com and fake taxi's marketing budget is a world apart? __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

01-19-2015, 04:14 PM	#84
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	felluciablowhd.com Site Overview is it launched? But yes it is high quality content, that one i would say is. But the question wasn't whether high quality content should make you successful, if there is other massive problems, then obviously it wont be capable of becoming big. Thats why the question was , whats a big new site capable of doing, with high quality content. You have high quality content on one site, but there are other issues, if there wasn't, that site would be much much bigger Im making assumptions based on evidence, much evidence. that site is very small. __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

01-19-2015, 04:52 PM	#97
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,532	1. Start a fucking thread YOURSELF and be more fucking specific THERE. 2. Content is one variable. 200K, great. NOW what? What is the ad budget for Reality Kings? Or X-Art or Wow or Twistys. Fucking pick one. Why the fuck do you think Brazzers or Bangbros hasn't chimed in here and said "We have x # of Members etc"? THAT is what you are really asking, isn't it? Wow, great communication skills dude. You could have asked all those things (in your own thread) without attacking me or my sites (and getting everything completely wrong). And I'M the one with 'massive problems'. LOL BTW: Did YOU spend more than 20K to start Autumn Riley or one of your solo sites? Just curious since you scoff at 20K. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

01-19-2015, 10:11 AM	#56
American Psycho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,068	Lol. So shaps estimate is essentially 10 members and if if if if if if then Mayne up 10000 memebrs only if the content is amazing and unique which no one will know til its made and tested. Super big lollllll

01-19-2015, 10:18 AM	#57
American Psycho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,068	Amelia I have some basic insignt to what my business makes and I have insight as to what some adult companies revenues are because i look into acquisitions and even if not into aquisitons anyone worth his salt in any biz should know what or try to know what competitors make. This info gained from inside info or public avn xbiz articles. And from that I know for a fact that other companies with no brand like vivid are making inro the millions annuallyn So yea by deduction it doesnt take a genius to see vivid makes a lot more than that. Duhhhh

01-19-2015, 12:55 PM	#69
American Psycho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,068	How deep is the rabbit hole? ..... on a tuesdayyyyyyy

01-19-2015, 01:50 PM	#72
American Psycho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,068	" reread the first page and dont just focus on what you think he meant out of his original post , you will understand what was being asked" Thats a round about way of asking a question lol

01-19-2015, 02:22 PM	#73
American Psycho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,068	maybe start another thread with this as the question: how many members does wowgirls.com or a site similar to whatever level of site(s) he meant in the OP which to me is still unclear.

01-19-2015, 02:53 PM	#76
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