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Old 03-12-2003, 01:02 PM   #1
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French Fries now Freedom Fries...Are we that dumb?

You've probably heard that the congressional cafeteria changed the name of French Fries to Freedom Fries. Basically there is a historical precedent for changing the names of avowed enemies during war time. During WWII we changed the name of frankfurters to hotdog, sauerkraut to liberty cabbage, etc.

What's idiotic about this is that....

1) French fries aren't French..weren't invented there. They were invented in Belgium.

2) There's probably nothing that would give the French greater satisfaction then for us to change the name of French Fries to something else given their snobbery for finer cuisine.

It would be akin to the French changing the name of American Snails to Escargot. Of course there's no such thing as American snails, and they already call it Escargot, but you get my point. Why would we want something that we didn't invent nor want association with named after us.

3) France, while very obstinate and annoying, is not an avowed enemy.

The French are probably elated that we changed the name. Chirac is probably peeing in his pants with glee.

Instead of changing the name, we should start attributing French to things fertilizer...instead calling it French Manure.

Stupid....
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Old 03-12-2003, 01:03 PM   #2
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Freedom Fries? Why not just "Fries"? I'm pretty sure everyone else agrees that they'd feel gay going to McDonalds and asking for some "Freedom Fries"
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This is part of the stupid pseudo-patriotism that some people fall for. You are not more of an American if you feed your face with french fries and call them something else, no matter what Rush says.

Enlistment in the military is not up, but people want to rename their greasy fast food to prove that they are ready for war.

Only in America.
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Does anyone think that France's feelings agaist war are less important than the fact we might be going to war. I do not care if you are for or against the war, France, although they have voting power, shouldnt be a media target.

Congratulations to Ohio Representative Bob Ney and Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina for wasting there f'cking time.
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I think its important because enough is enough with these so called allies. They hate america, they stand in our way in foreign policy any chance they get. Fuck them.
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I think its important because enough is enough with these so called allies. They hate america, they stand in our way in foreign policy any chance they get. Fuck them.
You would actually go to McDonalds and order "freedom fries", in those words?
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I think its important because enough is enough with these so called allies. They hate america, they stand in our way in foreign policy any chance they get. Fuck them.
Indeed they do.

So why do we have to rename french fries? Everytime you order french fries do you really think of France, French policies, and French leaders, and view your ordering french fries as some sort of sign that you support France?
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I bet the box will have the statue of liberty on it.
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I dont think its really meant to be taken seriously. More of a way of saying to them in a subtle way that their anti american attitude is going to have a serious effect on americans deciding not to buy france products in the future.
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Although I agree that it is quite childish to make such a fuss about a food name such as "frecnh fries" to "freedom fries", it is nothing compared to what is being said in france and other anti-American countries in europe.
Imagine members of the US Government going to the Late Show and laughing at foul language comments made about france?? Well, that is exactly what is happening now in france.
So, although I would not have gone as far as changing the name of food things, I can't really condemn it.
I think it would be best if we stopped buying french products, after all; that is the language the french understand...
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Although I agree that it is quite childish to make such a fuss about a food name such as "frecnh fries" to "freedom fries", it is nothing compared to what is being said in france and other anti-American countries in europe.
Imagine members of the US Government going to the Late Show and laughing at foul language comments made about france?? Well, that is exactly what is happening now in france.
So, although I would not have gone as far as changing the name of food things, I can't really condemn it.
I think it would be best if we stopped buying french products, after all; that is the language the french understand...
Are you joking or just brainwashed? One of the reasons some of the French government are being assholes to us is because Rumsfield, Cheney, and Bush, not to mention the entire U.S. media, have publicly been assholes to them over the last several months. Why? Because they, like nearly every other country in the world, disagree with Bush's little plan.

You think they don't have a right to be assholes after this administration was assholes to them?

The foreign policy skills of this administration are non-existent. But they are great at getting right wingers to believe everything they say.
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Are you joking or just brainwashed? One of the reasons some of the French government are being assholes to us is because Rumsfield, Cheney, and Bush, not to mention the entire U.S. media, have publicly been assholes to them over the last several months. Why? Because they, like nearly every other country in the world, disagree with Bush's little plan.

You think they don't have a right to be assholes after this administration was assholes to them?

The foreign policy skills of this administration are non-existent. But they are great at getting right wingers to believe everything they say.
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Yes, we are that stupid.

In fact, I'm surprised they haven't banned the teaching of french in public high schools.

From now on we will not teach French!!!

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Where can I buy a good Freedom Tickler? hehe

Yes we're stupid, nobody gives a shit what we call our junk food.
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I think its important because enough is enough with these so called allies.
I may agree, but isn't renaming fries not only childish but what the hell does it acomplish except that we look stupid, because french fries are not french and nobody calls french fries french fries except for us.

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Actually they most of them don't hate America, but they're looking out for their own interests. As you've probably read in my other posts, France has a vested interested in preventing this war from happening b/c ...

1) France is responsible--to this day-for 25% of Iraq's imports, trade worth nearly $1.5B to French companies.

2) French national oil giant TotalFinaElf recently negotiated a contract w/Baghdad to exploit Iraq huge southern oil fields worth an estimated $40 - $60B. They need Saddam in power for this contract to come to fruition.

3) French companies have been violated U.N. embargo restrictions for ages.


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I can understand why you might feel this way, but unfortunately the global economy is completely interdependent, and if other countries wanted to fuck us over financially they could. Aside from divesting from America, they could boycott American products, initiate a trade war, trade all their U.S. dollar reserves for Euros, among other things. The "fuck them" approach to diplomacy sadly is impractical .

Right now we have debt that (per capita) rivals third-world countries. Our economy is more fragile than one might think.
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I think its important because enough is enough with these so called allies. They hate america, they stand in our way in foreign policy any chance they get. Fuck them.
Poor america, everyone hates you

you seriousley expect that starting wars abroad wont raise objections? you think america and iraq are the only countries affected by this? foreign policy involves... duh.. foreigners.
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Fuck France, Fuck England and fuck any body that stands in our way. Us Americans and our tax dollars have bailed out so many foreign governments financial and war problems is sickening. Yes, we are the biggest bad ass of the playground and it?s time to recognize or get beat down. If these countries don?t like it take your foreign investment and GFY. What I find hypocritical is these countries will invest in the US and then come back and ask for loan guarantees in the billions. Then stand up and say we Americans are uneducated stupid fucks with no culture. Then why invest your money here? And who is truly the stupid fuck?

My Iraq policy:

Say Saddam you fucked up and have billions in oil assets ripe for the pickings. You have pissed off your neighbors so basically no one is going to help you. Your Stalinist ideology did not work, but thanks for the oil fields. We should notify the people of Iraq to leave before 3-15-2003 or you will be considered an enemy. Then we should bomb Baghdad into a glass bowl and make it a skateboard theme park. Sell coke, Marlboros, Bud Lite, and blast a looped tape of Brittany Spears forever. This will teach other countries to wise up with their wealth of natural resources.

My American policy:

Close the borders and give a 90-day notice via the media to get the fuck out if you are illegally here. If you are caught here after 90 days you become a ?Freedom worker of the US?. You will be interned three years in special camps that builds all the same shit they do in China for three hots and cot. You will be bombarded with ?Hooked on Phonic? 24 hours a day. After three years the only way to get out of the camp is to memorize and recite the current McDonalds menu in perfect English. (With a headset on)

My American foreign policy:

Oh you need an economy stimulus package? 50% interest and 10% of all profits form the investment capitol?for life. If you default on the loan your citizens will get the ?Freedom worker of the US? package.

Oh you need military assistance because another country is kicking your ass? What?s in it for us?

Oh you need assistance due to a dictatorship government? What?s in it for us?

Conclusion of my rant:

I am tired of all the countries complaining about our actions. Whenever any of them needed help they came to us and we gave it to them. What is worse is most NEVER repaid us. Most Americans don?t want to go to war. Why? It?s bad for business, but we understand it?s better to pay now then later. How do we know this? Because we bailed every one else out when it got to late. So if you don?t like our war..GFY.
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That's funny.... especially when in France nor in Quebec we use the name french fries !! In french, we only call them fries! I don't even know why english poeple call it french fries, it makes no sense since their from belgium in the first place....
Anyways, I don't think it will offend them.... they are just gonna laugh at how stupid freedom fries sounds! America and their freedom... it's only good for them. What about France's freedom of speech and of choice?? Yeah, americains could care less, all they want is their freedom and screw everyone else! Well, freedom fries it is for you all!

p.s. Non-porn... i bet you voted for Bush didn't ya??

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That's funny.... especially when in France nor in Quebec we use the name french fries !! In french, we only call them fries!
I thought you called them pommes frites

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I don't even know why english poeple call it french fries, it makes no sense since their from belgium in the first place....
I think the english call them "chips"

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Freedom of speech in France? You do realize the government has tried to ban many American English words from the language. And they've also banned certain types of political speech.
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Fuck France, Fuck England and fuck any body that stands in our way. Us Americans and our tax dollars have bailed out so many foreign governments financial and war problems is sickening. Yes, we are the biggest bad ass of the playground and it?s time to recognize or get beat down. If these countries don?t like it take your foreign investment and GFY. What I find hypocritical is these countries will invest in the US and then come back and ask for loan guarantees in the billions. Then stand up and say we Americans are uneducated stupid fucks with no culture. Then why invest your money here? And who is truly the stupid fuck?



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I thought you called them pommes frites

We called them frites which is the exact translation of the word fries (thats what I meant)

I think the english call them "chips"

I meant english speaking ... I don't know how they call it in England so lets settle for Americans shall we?

Freedom of speech in France? You do realize the government has tried to ban many American English words from the language. And they've also banned certain types of political speech.

hummm.. lets not get into that. Do you recall a certain president named Bush wanting to declare war to porn?? That is probly respectful of the american freedom! ;)
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What a jackass idea.. Freedom Fries. I bet soccer moms in huge Suburbans with one fucking brat kid love that idea.

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Freedom of speech in France? You do realize the government has tried to ban many American English words from the language. And they've also banned certain types of political speech.


hummm.. lets not get into that. Do you recall a certain president named Bush wanting to declare war to porn?? That is probly respectful of the american freedom! ;) [/B]

Hey, you're preaching to the choir. Freedom of speech doesn't apply only to speech I agree with. I loathe anyone who tries to trample on our constitutional rights, particularly freedom of expression.

But, the difference is freedom of expression is protected in our Bill of Rights. While fuck head politicians sometimes pass law infringing on these rights, a Federal district court or the Supreme Court ends up repealing the law.

Can you imagine America banning the word "French" from the English language? Hmmmm.....maybe that's a bad analogy. lol
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Guess if you don't like anything French you should start by shipping the Statue of Liberty back as it was a French gift.

If most of the world is against a war it might just be that America is wrong. USA is making 2 trillion dollar in debt over the next 5 years. Where do you think you guys are borrowing that money?

You should really look right in your garage to see the most unpatriotic thing. The SUV that is the fuel sucker is the one thing that supports the middle eastern oil contries and therefore you are paying most the terrorist yourself. Get a nice small car that takes little fuel and you are also saving the most important part of this world. Nature
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I hate how the states always toots their freedom horn. As if they invented the concept. I've actually talked to americans who thought canada wasn't a free country... morons.
So you can speak and vote. Wow.. what about REAL freedoms like the freedom to roll up some marijuana in the privacy of your own home and kick back. I know canada doesn't have that either... YET... but if not for our close relation to the states we would. </rant>
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Old 03-12-2003, 05:39 PM   #42
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I say we just take fries in general off the market. Hit france where it hurts!
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Old 03-12-2003, 05:40 PM   #43
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If most of the world is against a war it might just be that America is wrong.

hmmmmm......that's not logical. If you look throughout history the majority opinion is frequently wrong. It's generally someone/some country that takes an unpopular stand than in the long run is better for everyone.


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USA is making 2 trillion dollar in debt over the next 5 years. Where do you think you guys are borrowing that money?
We're borrowing it from Sammy the Bull. j/k as you may have seen in my other posts, I've pointed this out.


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You should really look right in your garage to see the most unpatriotic thing. The SUV that is the fuel sucker is the one thing that supports the middle eastern oil contries and therefore you are paying most the terrorist yourself. Get a nice small car that takes little fuel and you are also saving the most important part of this world. Nature

Yep, you are right. And half them (at least in California) were built by Germans (BMW and Mercedes). Don't lecture me. I take a bus/train from SF to Palo Alto everyday, which is a 3h4m commute EVERY DAY. I'm doing my part not to support terrorist supporting oil.
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Old 03-12-2003, 05:43 PM   #44
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I hate how the states always toots their freedom horn. As if they invented the concept. I've actually talked to americans who thought canada wasn't a free country... morons.
So you can speak and vote. Wow.. what about REAL freedoms like the freedom to roll up some marijuana in the privacy of your own home and kick back. I know canada doesn't have that either... YET... but if not for our close relation to the states we would. </rant>
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SECTION 1. Section 11362.5 is added to the Health and Safety Code, to read:

11362.5. (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.
(b)(1) The people of the State of California hereby find and declare that the purposes of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 are as follows:

(A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.

(B) To ensure that patients and their primary caregivers who obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes upon the recommendation of a physician are not subject to criminal prosecution or sanction.

(C) To encourage the federal and state governments to implement a plan to provide for the safe and affordable distribution of marijuana to all patients in medical need of marijuana.

(2) Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede legislation prohibiting persons from engaging in conduct that endangers others, nor to condone the diversion of marijuana for nonmedical purposes.

(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no physician in this state shall be punished, or denied any right or privilege, for having recommended marijuana to a patient for medical purposes.

(d) Section 11357, relating to the possession of marijuana, and Section 11358, relating to the cultivation of marijuana, shall not apply to a patient, or to a patient's primary caregiver, who possesses or cultivates marijuana for the personal medical purposes of the patient upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician.

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SECTION 2. If any provision of this measure or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the measure that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this measure are severable.
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Old 03-12-2003, 05:45 PM   #45
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Old 03-12-2003, 05:51 PM   #46
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Your quotes in your sig are brilliant!

Thanks dude...you want some freedom fries with that?
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Old 03-12-2003, 06:38 PM   #47
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I say we just take fries in general off the market. Hit france where it hurts!

at first I thought you were serious until I saw your handle.

that's just about the wittiest thing I think you've said. There's hope for you yet.



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Thanks dude...you want some freedom fries with that?
please! to go along with my liberty tickler.



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I I've actually talked to americans who thought canada wasn't a free country... morons.
You fell for that? lol....it's called sarcasm....but, hey, there is a reason they call it Canuckistan...

Anyways, I do agree with you some people toot that freedom horn a little too much, even though the american constitution is one of the oldest constitutions in the world...despite the fact that the U.S. is barely 2 1/4 centuries old.
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Old 03-12-2003, 07:04 PM   #48
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I think its important because enough is enough with these so called allies. They hate america, they stand in our way in foreign policy any chance they get. Fuck them.
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Old 03-12-2003, 07:08 PM   #49
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I dont think its really meant to be taken seriously. More of a way of saying to them in a subtle way that their anti american attitude is going to have a serious effect on americans deciding not to buy france products in the future.
The " attitude" is not anti-american, but first anti-war and secondly anti-Bush ( because of his bullyness a, threats and lies).
I know quite a few French people, and they still love the Americans as individual. The problem is that if this continue, they could start hating the americans as a collectivity... One more ennemy created by Georgie baby.
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France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from
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a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton

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---Jacques Chirac, President of France

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True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink
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I don't know." --- P.J O'Rourke (1989)


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