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edgeprod · 12-10-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

The crazy thing is, he is the norm. That is why they are doing so well.

I have Samsung Galaxy S4 on my desk sitting next to an Iphone 5. I could understand the iphone right away. I am googling things on the Samsung to figure out how to do it.

While I agree with you that the iPhone is a much better design, UI, and is immediately usable due to its concentration on user experience, I still use my Samsung Galaxy S5 more than my iPhone. For one, the battery lasts a lot longer.

Clay · 12-10-2014, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Steve Jobs was the visionary and the face of Apple - I can't see the company maintaining the wave of trendsetting technology without him. So that eventually has to mean Apple returns to earth along with its stock value.

I agree. I've been pretty frustrated with iOS8's poor usability. iOS6, when Steve Jobs oversaw it, was so easy to use and brilliant.
Now iOS8 is as sucky as Android.

Also theres no reason for me to buy a new Apple device. I have an iPhone 6 and an iPad Air 2, and when I compare them to my friends iPhone 5S and his iPad Air 1 they're the same speed or a fraction of a second faster in tasks. So I paid extra for almost nothing except a slightly larger screen on iPhone.

So I don't plan on buying another new iPhone for at least 3 years and a new iPad for another 5 years because theres no reason to.
I'll buy the iPhone 9 and the iPad Air 5 when they come out in 2019 lol.
otherwise I dont plan on buying another apple device for any reason.

Clay · 12-10-2014, 11:07 AM

ps - I've said this before but I bought a MacBook Pro and I haaaaaaate using it. I never ever use it except for my iOS class lessons and the app im working on. For my daily work and everything else Im always on my Windows machine. I hate it so much I've been considering giving up on iOS development and moving to Javascript/php on a windows computer.

I dont care what anyone says about Macs being far superior to Windows. Except for video quality (Ill give you that, Mac video quality is way better) when it comes to actually doing work and using shortcuts in my daily tasks I enjoy my Windows machine better than Mac.

slapass · 12-10-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Clay

I agree. I've been pretty frustrated with iOS8's poor usability. iOS6, when Steve Jobs oversaw it, was so easy to use and brilliant.
Now iOS8 is as sucky as Android.

Also theres no reason for me to buy a new Apple device. I have an iPhone 6 and an iPad Air 2, and when I compare them to my friends iPhone 5S and his iPad Air 1 they're the same speed or a fraction of a second faster in tasks. So I paid extra for almost nothing except a slightly larger screen on iPhone.

So I don't plan on buying another new iPhone for at least 3 years and a new iPad for another 5 years because theres no reason to.
I'll buy the iPhone 9 and the iPad Air 5 when they come out in 2019 lol.
otherwise I dont plan on buying another apple device for any reason.

Agreed on this. I have the iphone 5 and an iphone 5s. I might upgrade the 5 just because the thumb print to unlock is great when driving but then Siri does most things without unlocking so maybe not.

The battery on the Samsung is amazing compared to my iphone. The iphone is on the charger after half a day and the samsung has gone 2 days.

simina · 12-10-2014, 02:59 PM

Even tho i don't like apple, I really don't think that it's going down or at least not in the next 5-7 years

HandballJim · 12-10-2014, 03:54 PM

The trend is your friend, when AAPL broke out of the trading range in October it was about $102 and just took off

my analysis on the daily chart - still looks like an uptrend
AAPL ? Apple, Inc. ? Daily Pattern still Holding for Uptrend | Game of Stocks - Stock Market Trends Using Heikin-Ashi Charts

my analysis on the weekly chart from yesterday - A trend reversal is evident to the downside
AAPL Apple, Inc. ? Some Analysis here on the Weekly Chart, looks like a possible reversal of uptrend. | Game of Stocks - Stock Market Trends Using Heikin-Ashi Charts

Joshua G · 12-10-2014, 07:50 PM

i dont like the fundamentals & think in long term time horizon, how much higher can apple really go? it already makes oil company cashflow, its not going to double that. not when half that money is made on 1 gadget thats lost its edge.

fact is, the competition in its core space keeps getting tougher. Not only are there more smartphones, there are more tablets, tablet/laptops, more everything. its not the leader in UI anymore.

since jobs has passed, nothing new has happened. the most anticipated gadget is the watch & the early buzz is lacking innovative new uses. it will be a great running tracker. hurray.

i would short at the watch release. any sneeze in sales will push the stock back into a lower range & thereby put a ceiling on a short position.

KillerK · 12-10-2014, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

i dont like the fundamentals & think in long term time horizon, how much higher can apple really go? it already makes oil company cashflow, its not going to double that. not when half that money is made on 1 gadget thats lost its edge.

fact is, the competition in its core space keeps getting tougher. Not only are there more smartphones, there are more tablets, tablet/laptops, more everything. its not the leader in UI anymore.

since jobs has passed, nothing new has happened. the most anticipated gadget is the watch & the early buzz is lacking innovative new uses. it will be a great running tracker. hurray.

i would short at the watch release. any sneeze in sales will push the stock back into a lower range & thereby put a ceiling on a short position.

Until something changes with the way the phone works, Apple will reign supreme. Now that they finally decided to give us a larger screen we could upgrade.

They are smartly going to update the older screen size of the 5 version to the newer look and cpu which will then give them 3 phones.

Joshua G · 03-11-2015, 01:53 PM

with apple watch release date set, i'd be looking for the spot to stick a short back to a trading range. tho there may be a run back to the high in advance of the release.

considering how bad droid wearables are selling, this could be a disaster. That watch is a pig! much worse is that only iphone owners can use all its functions, thats a deal breaker. its sole market is iphone 5 & up users. iphone 4 users are SOL.

Joshua G · 04-16-2015, 01:01 PM

uh oh. watch release date delayed. must be due to lack of lines at apple stores. all signs point to a collapse any day now.

OneHungLo · 04-16-2015, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

That watch is a pig! much worse is that only iphone owners can use all its functions, thats a deal breaker. its sole market is iphone 5 & up users. iphone 4 users are SOL.

If anything I think the watch increases the demand to upgrade to the 5 or 6.

Best-In-BC · 04-16-2015, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

Wow... So much hate, so little time!

yeah, musta been a rough morning for me, lol

Joshua G · 04-27-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

If anything I think the watch increases the demand to upgrade to the 5 or 6.

yes. that is their cross marketing trickery at work. it works very well for them.

i still think the watch is a pig. chart showing double top formation, we are at a tipping point, the all time high. its either about to march higher, or will fall back to lower trading range, giving cushion to short position.

shorted today at 132 with a stop at 144. boo-ya baby.

OneHungLo · 04-27-2015, 02:11 PM

With all the companies to short you pick AAPL? This won't end very well. Cut your losses now lol

Adraco · 04-27-2015, 03:45 PM

And this evening Apple released their Q2 numbers:
Earnings of $2.33 per share (analysts expected $2.16)
Total sales of $58 billion, market expected $56 billion
Apple traded up 1.8% during trading day and 1.4% in the after market after report had been published.
Apple also announced it will increase its program to buy back shares, to $140 billion, up from previously $90 billion.
Apple sold 61.2 million iPhones, market expected 58.2 million iPhones.
For the first time, the amount of iPhones sold in China surpassed the amount sold in the US during the period.
Sales of iPad and Macs were slightly down.

Seems to be doing very good at the moment, I do not see any sudden drop in the Apple share price. At least not anytime soon.

Joshua G · 04-28-2015, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Adraco

And this evening Apple released their Q2 numbers:
Earnings of $2.33 per share (analysts expected $2.16)
Total sales of $58 billion, market expected $56 billion
Apple traded up 1.8% during trading day and 1.4% in the after market after report had been published.
Apple also announced it will increase its program to buy back shares, to $140 billion, up from previously $90 billion.
Apple sold 61.2 million iPhones, market expected 58.2 million iPhones.
For the first time, the amount of iPhones sold in China surpassed the amount sold in the US during the period.
Sales of iPad and Macs were slightly down.

Seems to be doing very good at the moment, I do not see any sudden drop in the Apple share price. At least not anytime soon.

aapl sold off today. this report was already priced in. when all the good news is priced in, there is only 1 direction to go...

Joshua G · 04-28-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

With all the companies to short you pick AAPL? This won't end very well. Cut your losses now lol

not investing. just grabbing some points as this stock returns to trading range. it was pumped up for the earnings report to fleece the little guys buying today. i expect watch news to not be helpful to the price. its launch is delayed & early buzz is meh...

Joshua G · 04-30-2015, 09:28 AM

AAPL is at 126! now all i need to decide is when to take profits

looming trouble for apple

short apple while you can...still good at these levels.

2MuchMark · 04-30-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SBJ

no it will continue to grow as long as iSheople are allowed to breed. I have a few nephews that are 5 and 9. They both have their own ipad minis. A year or so ago I was on my android phone and the older one asked me if that was a iphone.. When I told him what I had he rolled his eyes like my phone was junk and he couldn't be bothered.

Both of their parents are iphone owners.

I am using the same iMac27 that I purchased from way back in 2009 for about $2500. Not only is it just as fast as it ever was, but the machine still works perfectly. And even though its way past warranty, I still get free support, and free operating system updates.

I'll also note that all of our Macs have been virus, adware and malware free since the beginning.

People who buy Apple products aren't sheeples. They are consumers who saw a product at a fair price, and bought it. People who stay with Apple aren't sheeples either - they are consumers who's repeat business from Apple has been earned.

I know what I'm talking about. I used to be a PC-only guy too, and never would have bought an Apple product until one day when I really needed one. Since then though, I can't imagine ever going back.

epitome · 04-30-2015, 12:32 PM

I finally got around to switching from Android (S5) to iPhone.

Holy shit, why didn't I make the switch sooner?

I should have switched at the same time I dropped the PC.

Android and Windows are both so slow, bloated and painful.

OneHungLo · 05-02-2015, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

AAPL is at 126! now all i need to decide is when to take profits

looming trouble for apple

short apple while you can...still good at these levels.

Still holding? that was a lucky call, don't get greedy

Joshua G · 08-12-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Still holding? that was a lucky call, don't get greedy

no i bailed with a small profit & am kicking myself now.

altmman · 08-12-2015, 11:43 AM

Everyone went out and bought the bigger screen, but now theres no reason to buy a new device for another few years.
I got the iphone 6 and an ipad air2. Im not buying another one until say the iphone 9 comes out lol

VikingMan · 08-12-2015, 03:36 PM

does everyone like my twitter short I called?

OneHungLo · 08-12-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by altmman

Everyone went out and bought the bigger screen, but now theres no reason to buy a new device for another few years.
I got the iphone 6 and an ipad air2. Im not buying another one until say the iphone 9 comes out lol

They just sold 50 million iPhones so people are still buying. Plus only 20% upgraded from the 4-5 to the six.

RummyBoy · 08-14-2015, 10:20 PM

Behind the $5.5 million bet against Apple

12-10-2014, 03:54 PM	#56
HandballJim Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 4,024	The trend is your friend, when AAPL broke out of the trading range in October it was about $102 and just took off my analysis on the daily chart - still looks like an uptrend AAPL ? Apple, Inc. ? Daily Pattern still Holding for Uptrend \| Game of Stocks - Stock Market Trends Using Heikin-Ashi Charts my analysis on the weekly chart from yesterday - A trend reversal is evident to the downside AAPL Apple, Inc. ? Some Analysis here on the Weekly Chart, looks like a possible reversal of uptrend. \| Game of Stocks - Stock Market Trends Using Heikin-Ashi Charts __________________ HOW I MAKE LOTS OF $$$

04-27-2015, 03:45 PM	#65
Adraco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Onboard an airplane around the globe Posts: 3,734	And this evening Apple released their Q2 numbers: Earnings of $2.33 per share (analysts expected $2.16) Total sales of $58 billion, market expected $56 billion Apple traded up 1.8% during trading day and 1.4% in the after market after report had been published. Apple also announced it will increase its program to buy back shares, to $140 billion, up from previously $90 billion. Apple sold 61.2 million iPhones, market expected 58.2 million iPhones. For the first time, the amount of iPhones sold in China surpassed the amount sold in the US during the period. Sales of iPad and Macs were slightly down. Seems to be doing very good at the moment, I do not see any sudden drop in the Apple share price. At least not anytime soon. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The truth is not affected by the beliefs, or doubts, of the majority.

12-10-2014, 11:07 AM	#53
Clay Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 735	ps - I've said this before but I bought a MacBook Pro and I haaaaaaate using it. I never ever use it except for my iOS class lessons and the app im working on. For my daily work and everything else Im always on my Windows machine. I hate it so much I've been considering giving up on iOS development and moving to Javascript/php on a windows computer. I dont care what anyone says about Macs being far superior to Windows. Except for video quality (Ill give you that, Mac video quality is way better) when it comes to actually doing work and using shortcuts in my daily tasks I enjoy my Windows machine better than Mac.

12-10-2014, 02:59 PM	#55
simina Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 36	Even tho i don't like apple, I really don't think that it's going down or at least not in the next 5-7 years

12-10-2014, 07:50 PM	#57
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	i dont like the fundamentals & think in long term time horizon, how much higher can apple really go? it already makes oil company cashflow, its not going to double that. not when half that money is made on 1 gadget thats lost its edge. fact is, the competition in its core space keeps getting tougher. Not only are there more smartphones, there are more tablets, tablet/laptops, more everything. its not the leader in UI anymore. since jobs has passed, nothing new has happened. the most anticipated gadget is the watch & the early buzz is lacking innovative new uses. it will be a great running tracker. hurray. i would short at the watch release. any sneeze in sales will push the stock back into a lower range & thereby put a ceiling on a short position.

03-11-2015, 01:53 PM	#59
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	with apple watch release date set, i'd be looking for the spot to stick a short back to a trading range. tho there may be a run back to the high in advance of the release. considering how bad droid wearables are selling, this could be a disaster. That watch is a pig! much worse is that only iphone owners can use all its functions, thats a deal breaker. its sole market is iphone 5 & up users. iphone 4 users are SOL.

04-16-2015, 01:01 PM	#60
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	uh oh. watch release date delayed. must be due to lack of lines at apple stores. all signs point to a collapse any day now.

04-27-2015, 02:11 PM	#64
OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	With all the companies to short you pick AAPL? This won't end very well. Cut your losses now lol

04-30-2015, 09:28 AM	#68
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	AAPL is at 126! now all i need to decide is when to take profits looming trouble for apple short apple while you can...still good at these levels.

04-30-2015, 12:32 PM	#70
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	I finally got around to switching from Android (S5) to iPhone. Holy shit, why didn't I make the switch sooner? I should have switched at the same time I dropped the PC. Android and Windows are both so slow, bloated and painful.

08-12-2015, 11:43 AM	#73
altmman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: usa Posts: 468	Everyone went out and bought the bigger screen, but now theres no reason to buy a new device for another few years. I got the iphone 6 and an ipad air2. Im not buying another one until say the iphone 9 comes out lol

08-12-2015, 03:36 PM	#74
VikingMan Exploiting human weakness Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: next to a salmon stream Posts: 6,495	does everyone like my twitter short I called?

08-14-2015, 10:20 PM	#76
RummyBoy Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,157	Behind the $5.5 million bet against Apple