Not Doing To Good w/VideoSecrets

[armysmoke]

I created 5 WL's with VideoSecrets.com but cannot get a signup to save my life.

Stats for all 5 sites (3 months): 82,669 Raw and 15,958 unique.

I cannot figure out what I'm doing wrong.

What WL cam sites are you doing good with? I might have to jump to another company.

[xpimp]

try this new one http://mytubecam.com , it's not saturated and i'm doing fine with it

[InfoGuy]

VS converts just fine if you're sending quality traffic.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by armysmoke

Stats for all 5 sites (3 months): 82,669 Raw and 15,958 unique.

I hate to say it, but you just aren't sending enough traffic. Gauging a site's performance in this day and age by sending roughly 5,330 hits per month (which in turn works out to only roughly 180 unique visitors per day) is kind of silly. Ratios for the most part have went through the roof over the past few years due to tubes, free cam sites, etc.

Also, as somebody else mentioned above me - it really does depend on the quality of your traffic.

I believe they are offering 120 free credits for new members right now. Have you worked that angle? Surfers like things for free. Just be up front with them and let them know that in order to get the deal that they will need a valid credit card. Your traffic to VS may decrease, but with your transparency in advertising you may be surprised and start seeing some sales roll in.

Good luck

EDIT: Actualy 5,330 / 5 sites = roughly 1060 unique visitors per site per month. That;s like 30 people a day. As I stated before, not enough traffic to get a good enough feel for a sponsor.

[Zeiss]

Try BongaCash and VPSMobile, There you can add banners of ITM Cash and CrackRevenue, which have great cams offers but no whitelabel.

[Marshal]

Check out some of those whitelabel sites. This is the list of all Whitelabel Paysites @ SignBucks.com

[Andreweb]

With that amount of traffic you can made at least few hundreds of dollars or maybe thousands on Chaturbate the same or maybe even more on Webcamwiz !

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Harmon

I hate to say it, but you just aren't sending enough traffic. Gauging a site's performance in this day and age by sending roughly 5,330 hits per month (which in turn works out to only roughly 180 unique visitors per day) is kind of silly. Ratios for the most part have went through the roof over the past few years due to tubes, free cam sites, etc.

Also, as somebody else mentioned above me - it really does depend on the quality of your traffic.

I believe they are offering 120 free credits for new members right now. Have you worked that angle? Surfers like things for free. Just be up front with them and let them know that in order to get the deal that they will need a valid credit card. Your traffic to VS may decrease, but with your transparency in advertising you may be surprised and start seeing some sales roll in.

Good luck

EDIT: Actualy 5,330 / 5 sites = roughly 1060 unique visitors per site per month. That;s like 30 people a day. As I stated before, not enough traffic to get a good enough feel for a sponsor.

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[pinkz]

Cant agree 100% with what harmon is saying or may be I am an exception to the rule!

I have several WL's with VS which attract approx the same amount of traffic on a monthly basis as the OP, I get at least one new spending punter and 35%ish of existing punters re-spending every month.

IMO down to the quality/source of your traffic.

[kjs]

What is the source of your traffic? I'm not asking for specifics. Is it tubes, paid pops, banners, etc.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by pinkz

Cant agree 100% with what harmon is saying or may be I am an exception to the rule!

I have several WL's with VS which attract approx the same amount of traffic on a monthly basis as the OP, I get at least one new spending punter and 35%ish of existing punters re-spending every month.

IMO down to the quality/source of your traffic.

Quality of traffic VS. Quantity rules.

Maybe you are the exception of the rule?

[bns666]

i have 2 wl's with vs and both didn't bring almost any signups or revenue in period of 1-2 years and there is a small but steady flow of google traffic to both of them.

[robwod]

Originally Posted by bns666

i have 2 wl's with vs and both didn't bring almost any signups or revenue in period of 1-2 years and there is a small but steady flow of google traffic to both of them.

It is interesting indeed what converts for one does not convert for another. SM and VS whitelabels are the ones we do best with. Like anything in this business, the best thing you can do is to test and then test some more until you find a solid match for your referred traffic and demographics. If you use a good analytics tool like Piwik, you can create goals to determine which calls to action work best, which sales pages work best, etc. Something as simple as link colour can make the difference ;)

[InfoGuy]

A good domain name helps add credibility to a white label site. Don't complain that your white label doesn't convert if you use Im-Too-Cheap-2-Buy-A-Premium-Domain.shit

[bns666]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

A good domain name helps add credibility to a white label site. Don't complain that your white label doesn't convert if you use Im-Too-Cheap-2-Buy-A-Premium-Domain.shit

the ones which i have at vs aren't too premium, but let's say "decent" 3 word cam domains.

[CPA-Rush]

i agree with army VS is not perfect solution for every one ,not counting some of my hits ... i almost tried every program they have !

stick to euro webcams or dating they are relatively better than US sites.
and offer cheap membership/subscriptions to your traffic

i have no love for programs that extremely picky about quality - provide average material u can find everywhere . but expect stupid visitor everyday rolling in money

[Famemonster]

Originally Posted by armysmoke

I created 5 WL's with VideoSecrets.com but cannot get a signup to save my life.

Stats for all 5 sites (3 months): 82,669 Raw and 15,958 unique.

I cannot figure out what I'm doing wrong.

What WL cam sites are you doing good with? I might have to jump to another company.

Is that organic traffic or are you buying traffic from places like juicy ads and plugrush?

[NewOldPlayer]

You're getting sales, you're just not getting credit for the sales. Webcam affiliates are clueless when it comes to getting skimmed. Like most private affiliate programs run today, all of which are not regulated, they are simply skimming and picking the pockets of everybody that signs up as an affiliate.

Try this, complain directly to them about sales... then, in a week's time, you'll see a couple sales go thru... you'll think, "ok, on the right track now." They do that just to keep you happy and to keep you from pulling all the links you just installed.

Then, after a few months of one or two sales, you'll give up and stop complaining...but, you'll keep all the links alive because you make a couple sales every month and worked so hard to install all those links. Now they gotcha. They will release to you about 8 or 10 sales a year, just to keep your links alive and keep you from complaining and pulling out.

Happens with almost every webcam affiliate program. The skimming is massive. They post affiliate sales in their website advertising the top 10 or top 20 affiliate programs, showing these outrageous sales. That is the just the 'hook' to get people to sign up and when they do, they're fucked.

Almost all the new money is going to webcams. Nobody is buying pre recorded porn anymore because we all know, that porn is free now. So with 90% of all the lose money going to webcam sales, that is the new online goldmine and webcam owners aren't stupid enough to let YOU have any of it.

What would you do in an un regulated business where people are sending you sales and you had the option of paying them or not? You'll hear the opposite argument from the owners that always say, "oh, no, we pay.... we have to or our business will die." Hilarious. For every 1 affiliate that gets burned by skimming, 20 new ones replace him.

My favorite are the webcams that advertise, $ 200 PPS !!! So fucking funny. They attract new sign ups like wild fire... toss out a couple payouts and skim the rest. Do they worry they are pissing off new affiliates because the affiliate isn't making any money? Hell no. They just raise the PPS to $ 300 the following month and scoop up double the affiliate sign ups.

Must be nice to run a business that is 100% unregulated. A license to steal.

My opinion, anybody that reps a webcam site is a moron and enjoys getting their pockets picked clean.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

My opinion, anybody that reps a webcam site is a moron and enjoys getting their pockets picked clean.

I'm happy to be a moron. And even more happy knowing that many people think exactly like you.

[NewOldPlayer]

Hey, some people DO make SOME money by rep'n webcams, because word of mouth within the ranks of the sheep are needed to help hook in more moronic affiliate sign ups.

I estimate 2 or 3% of affiliates do make some sales, and they love bragging about it. Makes for good free advertising on boards like these. I'm talking about the silent majority of affiliates that get ripped off on a daily basis from a business that is 100% unregulated.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

You're getting sales, you're just not getting credit for the sales. Webcam affiliates are clueless when it comes to getting skimmed.

Usual Conspiracy theory

[timmyc38]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

You're getting sales, you're just not getting credit for the sales. Webcam affiliates are clueless when it comes to getting skimmed. Like most private affiliate programs run today, all of which are not regulated, they are simply skimming and picking the pockets of everybody that signs up as an affiliate.

Try this, complain directly to them about sales... then, in a week's time, you'll see a couple sales go thru... you'll think, "ok, on the right track now." They do that just to keep you happy and to keep you from pulling all the links you just installed.

Then, after a few months of one or two sales, you'll give up and stop complaining...but, you'll keep all the links alive because you make a couple sales every month and worked so hard to install all those links. Now they gotcha. They will release to you about 8 or 10 sales a year, just to keep your links alive and keep you from complaining and pulling out.

Happens with almost every webcam affiliate program. The skimming is massive. They post affiliate sales in their website advertising the top 10 or top 20 affiliate programs, showing these outrageous sales. That is the just the 'hook' to get people to sign up and when they do, they're fucked.

Almost all the new money is going to webcams. Nobody is buying pre recorded porn anymore because we all know, that porn is free now. So with 90% of all the lose money going to webcam sales, that is the new online goldmine and webcam owners aren't stupid enough to let YOU have any of it.

What would you do in an un regulated business where people are sending you sales and you had the option of paying them or not? You'll hear the opposite argument from the owners that always say, "oh, no, we pay.... we have to or our business will die." Hilarious. For every 1 affiliate that gets burned by skimming, 20 new ones replace him.

My favorite are the webcams that advertise, $ 200 PPS !!! So fucking funny. They attract new sign ups like wild fire... toss out a couple payouts and skim the rest. Do they worry they are pissing off new affiliates because the affiliate isn't making any money? Hell no. They just raise the PPS to $ 300 the following month and scoop up double the affiliate sign ups.

Must be nice to run a business that is 100% unregulated. A license to steal.

My opinion, anybody that reps a webcam site is a moron and enjoys getting their pockets picked clean.

Gotta disagree here - try us out, we do not skim, we are growing and looking to gain webmasters . The best way I see to do this is through honesty, I am sure the established ones do not really care about you, but we do ...

Build as many White labels as you want -

I am personally always around to give support too - you will not be ignored here!

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

Hey, some people DO make SOME money by rep'n webcams, because word of mouth within the ranks of the sheep are needed to help hook in more moronic affiliate sign ups.

I estimate 2 or 3% of affiliates do make some sales, and they love bragging about it. Makes for good free advertising on boards like these. I'm talking about the silent majority of affiliates that get ripped off on a daily basis from a business that is 100% unregulated.

Not everyone gets the shave set to the same rate. A big site or a rep for a big site probably won't get fucked with as much as a small affiliate just trying to scrap together enough to live on.

Just compare performance and be ready to move at any time. Never forget who screwed you once you figure out for sure that they did. This provides some deterrent for fucking with people. Eventually the shitty programs find that they can no longer get affiliates.

[Focus]

I dont really think the shaving is a issue if you know what you doing, you can always test join with random schedule obviously and see how it goes. For the OP here a thang i use to do when i started before i get a decent DB i would make a site focus on a twerk videos and would pay chick to send me them vids with all the paperwork of course. I would make a banner saying click here and ask a hot girl to twerk naked, i would get signups like wild fire. Anyways this is just a way of working compare to millions ways out there basically what im try to say is there plenty of way to deal with your WL depending if its free cams like Chaturbate or Pay cams like Jasmine. Hope it help little and good luck.

[NewOldPlayer]

Originally Posted by Focus

I dont really think the shaving is a issue if you know what you doing, you can always test join with random schedule obviously and see how it goes.

They are using GEO skimming. You set up your account in New York, and they skim sales in other States, Canada, Europe, etc, no way of testing...and when you have a buddy in Germany that does a test for you, and the sale goes thru and you don't get credit...After you complain they either say "it was a mistake" or they just close your account out for complaining. Nothing you can do.

The skim programs are designed to be 100 steps in front of you so if there is any investigation, they can simply wipe you out with no trace, or quickly dissolve the skim program so they look clean. Impossible to investigate and costly to sue, so nobody does it. They just think like all of us do, "oh, tough market, sales are so slow right now." LOL Sales have never slowed down, just the skimming and stealing has increased annually to the point where the market appears to be "dead" when fact, the profits are becoming more and more isolated to webmasters "in the know." Like all economies, eventually a small percentage owns and controls the market. Thieves are rampant in the adult business. All unregulated and hard to prove in court. A quick change here, and a quick delete there, and presto...your sales and numbers are gone.

So we have to keep quite and just be lucky they release the classic amount of 8 to 10 sales per year to keep those old affiliate links you posted years ago, alive.

[armysmoke]

I want to thank everyone that posted on this thread and thank you to those with recommendations.

Originally Posted by xpimp

try this new one http://mytubecam.com , it's not saturated and i'm doing fine with it

I'll give mytubecam.com a try and see how it goes. Anything is better than zero conversions.

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

VS converts just fine if you're sending quality traffic.

All traffic is organic. I did not buy any traffic for my WL cam sites.

Originally Posted by Harmon

I hate to say it, but you just aren't sending enough traffic. Gauging a site's performance in this day and age by sending roughly 5,330 hits per month (which in turn works out to only roughly 180 unique visitors per day) is kind of silly. Ratios for the most part have went through the roof over the past few years due to tubes, free cam sites, etc.

Also, as somebody else mentioned above me - it really does depend on the quality of your traffic.

I believe they are offering 120 free credits for new members right now. Have you worked that angle? Surfers like things for free. Just be up front with them and let them know that in order to get the deal that they will need a valid credit card. Your traffic to VS may decrease, but with your transparency in advertising you may be surprised and start seeing some sales roll in.

Good luck

EDIT: Actualy 5,330 / 5 sites = roughly 1060 unique visitors per site per month. That;s like 30 people a day. As I stated before, not enough traffic to get a good enough feel for a sponsor.

I was getting better conversions with chaturbate. However, no one purchased anything. I was doing OK with $1 referrals. I got signups when I switched to Rev Share but no one has spend any money.

Originally Posted by Zeiss

Try BongaCash and VPSMobile, There you can add banners of ITM Cash and CrackRevenue, which have great cams offers but no whitelabel.

I will take a look. Thanks for the links.

Originally Posted by Marshal

Check out some of those whitelabel sites. This is the list of all Whitelabel Paysites @ SignBucks.com

I will take a look. Thanks for the links.

Originally Posted by Andreweb

With that amount of traffic you can made at least few hundreds of dollars or maybe thousands on Chaturbate the same or maybe even more on Webcamwiz !

I had no luck with Webcamwiz, switched to chaturbate but no one was spending money. Got a bunch of signups though. Just all non paying

Originally Posted by pinkz

Cant agree 100% with what harmon is saying or may be I am an exception to the rule!

I have several WL's with VS which attract approx the same amount of traffic on a monthly basis as the OP, I get at least one new spending punter and 35%ish of existing punters re-spending every month.

IMO down to the quality/source of your traffic.

I wish I had one signup. Nothing for me. All traffic is organic.

Originally Posted by kjs

What is the source of your traffic? I'm not asking for specifics. Is it tubes, paid pops, banners, etc.

All organic.

Originally Posted by bns666

i have 2 wl's with vs and both didn't bring almost any signups or revenue in period of 1-2 years and there is a small but steady flow of google traffic to both of them.

Same as my WL's. All organic traffic and no conversions.

Originally Posted by robwod

It is interesting indeed what converts for one does not convert for another. SM and VS whitelabels are the ones we do best with. Like anything in this business, the best thing you can do is to test and then test some more until you find a solid match for your referred traffic and demographics. If you use a good analytics tool like Piwik, you can create goals to determine which calls to action work best, which sales pages work best, etc. Something as simple as link colour can make the difference ;)

Thank you for your advice. I will try different colors, themes and put my sites on google analytics.

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

A good domain name helps add credibility to a white label site. Don't complain that your white label doesn't convert if you use Im-Too-Cheap-2-Buy-A-Premium-Domain.shit

I think I have some decent domain names and not cheap domain names.

My DNs with no spaces.

Juicy Dolls (.) Com
Wicked Asians (.) Com
Sexy Gilf (.) Com
Sexo Con Gay (.) Com
Gay Porn Motion (.) Com

Let me know if they suck.

Originally Posted by bns666

the ones which i have at vs aren't too premium, but let's say "decent" 3 word cam domains.

See above.

Originally Posted by CPA-Rush

i agree with army VS is not perfect solution for every one ,not counting some of my hits ... i almost tried every program they have !

stick to euro webcams or dating they are relatively better than US sites.
and offer cheap membership/subscriptions to your traffic

i have no love for programs that extremely picky about quality - provide average material u can find everywhere . but expect stupid visitor everyday rolling in money

Originally Posted by Famemonster

Is that organic traffic or are you buying traffic from places like juicy ads and plugrush?

It's all organic traffic. I'll take a look at euro cams and dating sites. Any recommendation for dating sites?

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

You're getting sales, you're just not getting credit for the sales. Webcam affiliates are clueless when it comes to getting skimmed. Like most private affiliate programs run today, all of which are not regulated, they are simply skimming and picking the pockets of everybody that signs up as an affiliate.

Try this, complain directly to them about sales... then, in a week's time, you'll see a couple sales go thru... you'll think, "ok, on the right track now." They do that just to keep you happy and to keep you from pulling all the links you just installed.

Then, after a few months of one or two sales, you'll give up and stop complaining...but, you'll keep all the links alive because you make a couple sales every month and worked so hard to install all those links. Now they gotcha. They will release to you about 8 or 10 sales a year, just to keep your links alive and keep you from complaining and pulling out.

Happens with almost every webcam affiliate program. The skimming is massive. They post affiliate sales in their website advertising the top 10 or top 20 affiliate programs, showing these outrageous sales. That is the just the 'hook' to get people to sign up and when they do, they're fucked.

Almost all the new money is going to webcams. Nobody is buying pre recorded porn anymore because we all know, that porn is free now. So with 90% of all the lose money going to webcam sales, that is the new online goldmine and webcam owners aren't stupid enough to let YOU have any of it.

What would you do in an un regulated business where people are sending you sales and you had the option of paying them or not? You'll hear the opposite argument from the owners that always say, "oh, no, we pay.... we have to or our business will die." Hilarious. For every 1 affiliate that gets burned by skimming, 20 new ones replace him.

My favorite are the webcams that advertise, $ 200 PPS !!! So fucking funny. They attract new sign ups like wild fire... toss out a couple payouts and skim the rest. Do they worry they are pissing off new affiliates because the affiliate isn't making any money? Hell no. They just raise the PPS to $ 300 the following month and scoop up double the affiliate sign ups.

Must be nice to run a business that is 100% unregulated. A license to steal.

My opinion, anybody that reps a webcam site is a moron and enjoys getting their pockets picked clean.

I am not sure if this is correct or not but I guess anything is possible. I contacted my rep a week ago to see what I was doing wrong but she never replied.

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Usual Conspiracy theory

Originally Posted by timmyc38

Gotta disagree here - try us out, we do not skim, we are growing and looking to gain webmasters . The best way I see to do this is through honesty, I am sure the established ones do not really care about you, but we do ...

Build as many White labels as you want -

I am personally always around to give support too - you will not be ignored here!

I'll give you guys a try.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Not everyone gets the shave set to the same rate. A big site or a rep for a big site probably won't get fucked with as much as a small affiliate just trying to scrap together enough to live on.

Just compare performance and be ready to move at any time. Never forget who screwed you once you figure out for sure that they did. This provides some deterrent for fucking with people. Eventually the shitty programs find that they can no longer get affiliates.

OK

Once again, thank you for replying and giving me advice.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

You're getting sales, you're just not getting credit for the sales. Webcam affiliates are clueless when it comes to getting skimmed. Like most private affiliate programs run today, all of which are not regulated, they are simply skimming and picking the pockets of everybody that signs up as an affiliate.

Try this, complain directly to them about sales... then, in a week's time, you'll see a couple sales go thru... you'll think, "ok, on the right track now." They do that just to keep you happy and to keep you from pulling all the links you just installed.

Then, after a few months of one or two sales, you'll give up and stop complaining...but, you'll keep all the links alive because you make a couple sales every month and worked so hard to install all those links. Now they gotcha. They will release to you about 8 or 10 sales a year, just to keep your links alive and keep you from complaining and pulling out.

Happens with almost every webcam affiliate program. The skimming is massive. They post affiliate sales in their website advertising the top 10 or top 20 affiliate programs, showing these outrageous sales. That is the just the 'hook' to get people to sign up and when they do, they're fucked.

Almost all the new money is going to webcams. Nobody is buying pre recorded porn anymore because we all know, that porn is free now. So with 90% of all the lose money going to webcam sales, that is the new online goldmine and webcam owners aren't stupid enough to let YOU have any of it.

What would you do in an un regulated business where people are sending you sales and you had the option of paying them or not? You'll hear the opposite argument from the owners that always say, "oh, no, we pay.... we have to or our business will die." Hilarious. For every 1 affiliate that gets burned by skimming, 20 new ones replace him.

My favorite are the webcams that advertise, $ 200 PPS !!! So fucking funny. They attract new sign ups like wild fire... toss out a couple payouts and skim the rest. Do they worry they are pissing off new affiliates because the affiliate isn't making any money? Hell no. They just raise the PPS to $ 300 the following month and scoop up double the affiliate sign ups.

Must be nice to run a business that is 100% unregulated. A license to steal.

My opinion, anybody that reps a webcam site is a moron and enjoys getting their pockets picked clean.

Hi Venusblogger

[Drake]

Give us a try

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by armysmoke

I think I have some decent domain names and not cheap domain names.

My DNs with no spaces.

Juicy Dolls (.) Com
Wicked Asians (.) Com
Sexy Gilf (.) Com
Sexo Con Gay (.) Com
Gay Porn Motion (.) Com

Let me know if they suck.

I'm not going to comment on them. Email 10 of your friends (non-industry) with a list of your sites. Call them the next day and ask them to repeat your list from memory. Their responses will give you some idea of the quality or lack thereof.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

Hey, some people DO make SOME money by rep'n webcams, because word of mouth within the ranks of the sheep are needed to help hook in more moronic affiliate sign ups.

I estimate 2 or 3% of affiliates do make some sales, and they love bragging about it. Makes for good free advertising on boards like these. I'm talking about the silent majority of affiliates that get ripped off on a daily basis from a business that is 100% unregulated.

What do you mean with "unregulated"? There are plenty of laws and rules for porn business, besidess regular laws for business.

I have done many kinds of business. There is no "feds" spying behind your back in any business. And if there is, they are mostly insterested about taxes. In any business you have to step up for yourself.

Also, if you want to make a case about skimming, don't focuse to the skimming program, although it sure is a nice evidence. The more important question is that from where do the customers come from. And that is easier to track. That kind of things are tracked also when investing tax frauds, money laundering, etc. Where the customers come from, who they are, etc. And, skimming can also result other charges. Company might have some additional tax duties, etc. to do for sales abroad (regarding the affiliate), etc. So it's not just skimming, the "feds" might be involved too. If you can get them to investigate for you, it's much easier. You have to build your case right.

You can also team up with other affiliates if they have problems with the same paysite.

[Captain Kawaii]

Does VS still do that thing where if you make sales and then do not make sales for 6 months or so they slash your affiliate %? It was them doing that before right?

WickedAsians I would assign an iFrame for it to camdough or dticash and juicydolls the same.
Check the TOS for these cam sites. Some of them allow you to play with the variations on their domains and some do not. ahem.

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Does VS still do that thing where if you make sales and then do not make sales for 6 months or so they slash your affiliate %? It was them doing that before right?

VS has a dormant affiliate clause in their TOS, whereby they may lower the payout to 5%. Getting 1 paying customer (any amount) every 3 months is a fairly low threshold.

[druid66]

wickedasians.com?

definitely try Camdough and Interdollars they are genuine asian cams with studios in filipina so no asian-american girls like most "asian" cams are offering but real ones.

for most of us in asian niche those two are the best and still converting.

[Captain Kawaii]

What Druid said...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We also do really well now with DTI because we have in-house Japanese translation so we are able to make Japanese language sites that convert. If anyone wants a Japanese language site for cams or tubes leave your information or PM me. We can help you.

We are not Filipino's so no Filipino rate but we are real Japanese based in Tokyo performing the work.

Trust me, going with a non-native speaker with Japanese, Chinese or Korean is asking for a trainwreck job. Better off not dong it at all.

[bagfull]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

They are using GEO skimming. You set up your account in New York, and they skim sales in other States, Canada, Europe, etc, no way of testing...and when you have a buddy in Germany that does a test for you, and the sale goes thru and you don't get credit...After you complain they either say "it was a mistake" or they just close your account out for complaining. Nothing you can do.

The skim programs are designed to be 100 steps in front of you so if there is any investigation, they can simply wipe you out with no trace, or quickly dissolve the skim program so they look clean. Impossible to investigate and costly to sue, so nobody does it. They just think like all of us do, "oh, tough market, sales are so slow right now." LOL Sales have never slowed down, just the skimming and stealing has increased annually to the point where the market appears to be "dead" when fact, the profits are becoming more and more isolated to webmasters "in the know." Like all economies, eventually a small percentage owns and controls the market. Thieves are rampant in the adult business. All unregulated and hard to prove in court. A quick change here, and a quick delete there, and presto...your sales and numbers are gone.

So we have to keep quite and just be lucky they release the classic amount of 8 to 10 sales per year to keep those old affiliate links you posted years ago, alive.

I know one major player skims, also what you say about if you complain sales appear out the blue it happen to me a few times.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

They are using GEO skimming. You set up your account in New York, and they skim sales in other States, Canada, Europe, etc, no way of testing...

Whatever you're venusblogger fake nick or not, what you say it is generic, not applied to specific different programs, and it looks like you don't even know the affiliate reporting/admin panels of the various webmaster programs. Each cam program is custom and got a different reporting system and detailing.

Some reporting is very shady, just reports uniques and signups without any GEO or anything. Other reports are very detailed, and including the username of the pay members. More the details you display to the affiliate, less you can shave or cheat safely. Because let the affiliate do a few test sales here and there, he knows the username he creates, and on long run a shaving system (who does not know what usernames are coming from affiliate and monitored, would certainly shave on monitored username. Screenshots could be taken and posted in GFY as definitive proof of shaving.

As matter of example, our tubecamgirl.com affiliate panel, it shows basically everything: each free or pay username you signup, and if clicking on each username you see the GEO, how many minutes online (updated), the http referrer (what like he came from), of course ifh e paid etc., we just hide the IP and email for obvious reasons (affiliate could spam guys he signup into our site... ) - the affiliates see all the same data we see. We run the program since 2011 and no one affiliate ever complained we shaved anything, in fact they should tell what username is missing and that's too specific for generic conspiracy theorists.

[druid66]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Whatever you're venusblogger fake nick or not, what you say it is generic, not applied to specific different programs, and it looks like you don't even know the affiliate reporting/admin panels of the various webmaster programs. Each cam program is custom and got a different reporting system and detailing.

Some reporting is very shady, just reports uniques and signups without any GEO or anything. Other reports are very detailed, and including the username of the pay members. More the details you display to the affiliate, less you can shave or cheat safely. Because let the affiliate do a few test sales here and there, he knows the username he creates, and on long run a shaving system (who does not know what usernames are coming from affiliate and monitored, would certainly shave on monitored username. Screenshots could be taken and posted in GFY as definitive proof of shaving.

As matter of example, our tubecamgirl.com affiliate panel, it shows basically everything: each free or pay username you signup, and if clicking on each username you see the GEO, how many minutes online (updated), the http referrer (what like he came from), of course ifh e paid etc., we just hide the IP and email for obvious reasons (affiliate could spam guys he signup into our site... ) - the affiliates see all the same data we see. We run the program since 2011 and no one affiliate ever complained we shaved anything, in fact they should tell what username is missing and that's too specific for generic conspiracy theorists.

when trying to access your site (out of curiosity) i'm being redirected to chat with two pinay girls ("asian duo") http://tubecamgirl.com/freenude/AsianDuo.html is it intentional or it's just poland redirect?

i'm asking cuz i would like to know how looks your main index page and what offers (usually i'm linking cams to "whos online" page).

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Focus

I dont really think the shaving is a issue if you know what you doing, you can always test join with random schedule obviously and see how it goes.

You can. The problem is mainly for revshare (which is common on cams). If the sponsor shaves then it's like building a house on sand. All it takes is for them to change a few variables around and you just lost all your work just like that. With PPS/PPL all you have to worry about is a month, possibly two, at most. If they up the shave then you can simply move your traffic.

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[NewOldPlayer]

why am I being credited as venusblogger? Sorry, not me.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

why am I being credited as venusblogger? Sorry, not me.

He also seemed to believe that his failure at promoting cams was everybody's fault but his own.

[The Porn Nerd]

I have a Video Secrets WL for my Members Areas. Do what I do: If sales come in, then slow down or even stop, swap out the links IMMEDIATELY with another cam program. Then wait for your Rep from the first cam site to say 'Hey man, what happened to all the links you had up?"

Then you say: "Hey man, sales mysteriously stopped, or slowed down to the point where ANYONE ELSE would make me more money. I'm sure you understand."

The first cam Rep will then go: "Hey man, put our links back up again we have all kinds of special promotions and deals for your traffic."

Then you go: "Great, I'll put them back up but if I see sales fall again I will pull the links that instant. Deal?"

Have a stable of 4-6 cam affiliate programs you can swap out like this. You will spend a few minutes every month or two keeping these guys as honest as is possible these days. LOL

Good luck!

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You can. The problem is mainly for revshare (which is common on cams). If the sponsor shaves then it's like building a house on sand. All it takes is for them to change a few variables around and you just lost all your work just like that. With PPS/PPL all you have to worry about is a month, possibly two, at most. If they up the shave then you can simply move your traffic.

Do that with Revshare Programs, too. No one bills endlessly so it's only a matter of time.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by armysmoke

I created 5 WL's with VideoSecrets.com but cannot get a signup to save my life.

Stats for all 5 sites (3 months): 82,669 Raw and 15,958 unique.

I cannot figure out what I'm doing wrong.

What WL cam sites are you doing good with? I might have to jump to another company.

If it's not converting then try a different one, rinse and repeat until you find the one that does..

[VS_Jeff]

Originally Posted by armysmoke

I created 5 WL's with VideoSecrets.com but cannot get a signup to save my life.

Stats for all 5 sites (3 months): 82,669 Raw and 15,958 unique.

I cannot figure out what I'm doing wrong.

What WL cam sites are you doing good with? I might have to jump to another company.

Originally Posted by armysmoke

I had no luck with Webcamwiz, switched to chaturbate but no one was spending money. Got a bunch of signups though. Just all non paying

It kind of makes sense that you're not having luck with other programs also. Some of the people mentioned that it's a small amount of traffic and that could be true. I would rather look at your traffic source. I know that you said that it's mostly organic, but it's possible that you are ranking for words that have nothing to do with live cams.

It looks like you have a GA code on one of your WLs, what keywords are you ranking for? I would also add GA tracking to all of your WLs.

Lets say, for example, that juicydolls ranks for some kind of juices or dolls and people that get there were not expecting something adult-oriented. They would probably bounce immediately.

Have you tried other traffic sources? It's tough to rely completely on free traffic sources to generate revenue.

Have you tried buying spots on adult sites? At least the traffic would be a little more qualified.

We wouldn't have been in business for 18 years if we didn't make affiliates money. Kimi is your rep, she was off today for her bday, but I'll make sure she reaches out to you tomorrow and gives you some tips.

You can feel free to try out other programs, but give Kimi a shot and I'm sure she'll help you find a good fit.

[CPA-Rush]

Originally Posted by armysmoke

It's all organic traffic. I'll take a look at euro cams and dating sites. Any recommendation for dating sites?

check meendo its russian/english social site - they give 50% revshare http://www.meendocash.com/?partner=9737

right now i'm on ppl program pay pennies but overall ok

good luck

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Not everyone gets the shave set to the same rate. A big site or a rep for a big site probably won't get fucked with as much as a small affiliate just trying to scrap together enough to live on.

Just compare performance and be ready to move at any time. Never forget who screwed you once you figure out for sure that they did. This provides some deterrent for fucking with people. Eventually the shitty programs find that they can no longer get affiliates.

Just gotta go with the programs that are about to have their bro pass revoked There's a secret link at the bottom of certain GFY newsletters that goes to an updated bro pass membership list.

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[fuzebox]

What webcam site are you successful with? How do your stats with VS compare?

[DBS.US]

August 2014

[xxxjay]

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