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Robbie, Crockett is right. Look at the long term decline.
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crockett and Mark....I have looked at it.
So now that it's starting to reverse...you guys are ignoring that. I guess we'll just have to wait a couple of decades for you guys to decide that it's okay? And I also cited scientists saying that within a hundred years or so they believe the ice caps will advance south as they did a few centuries ago (which we have been warming up from). You guys are kinda just choosing the info you want to listen to. It fits with what you seem to want to believe so desperately. I have already told you my feelings: IF there was real danger, then WHY aren't govt.'s taking REAL action like we did when WW2 happened? Instead...Pres. Obama is upping the amount of CO2 exponentially by bombing the fuck out of the Middle East to destroy the newest "boogie man". So ISIS beats out man made climate change right? I think Pres. Obama has access to more info on what's really happening with climate change than you or I or crockett. And yet, he seems perfectly content with doing nothing except pushing for more money with carbon tax and carbon credit trading for Al Gore. Think about that. |
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And 100 or 150 years is not long term. All of this hand-wringing over declining ice at the poles is based on satellite observation dating back to 1979 - a whole whopping 35 years! You alarmists need to step away from the panic button and go find a genuine problem to solve. . |
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Some things such as Wars, pollute, and there is no way around it. Other things such as personal transportation pollute too, but there IS away around that. Some people get their electricity from Coal which pollutes, but there are several alternatives that do not. I hope you get my point. So you don't believe the science that tells you ice is melting, and don't believe it has an impact. That's too bad, but ok. What about the pollution in the air that is making it harder to breathe or see down the street? Or what about the pollution in the water that makes it poison to drink, that is killing sea life, ruining the landscape and even catching fire in some places in the midwest? Just because you dismiss them doesn't mean that these real problems do not exist. I think it is very important to explore alternative sources of energy and look for cleaner solutions that help our planet, and help us at the same time. Some people choose to sit on their hands, and believe the ads by big oil, happily paying too much for energy that is expensive, dirty, poison, and constantly mishandled. If you're one of those people then I feel sorry for you. GFY is a fun, fucked up place, but everyone here is actually pretty high tech compared to others. How can you be high-tech, but be stuck in 50's-Era thinking? Peace. |
Mark the air is cleaner now than at any time in the last 100 years.
The military just today released more CO2 AND real pollution into the air than every car in the U.S. combined. The only person "stuck" in a way of thinking is you. You keep presenting "facts" that simply aren't accurate and acting like it's "okay" for the govt. to continue to do exactly what you are claiming is "bad" for citizens to do. Look, either CO2 is "bad" or it isn't. Either global warming is caused by man and is the biggest thing facing mankind...or it isn't. Apparently, Al Gore uses it to make money on "carbon trading" and the Federal Govt. of the United States has followed suit with "carbon tax". And meanwhile the U.S. does NOTHING to stop CO2 emissions and instead are the greatest contributor to them. How in the hell does that make me a "50's era" thinking person? I'm just pointing out the real world to you. You seem to be ignoring that and instead going with what I believe is a false narrative from a political party and the scientists that receive money and funding from the individuals and companies that profit from alarmists rhetoric. If there is REALLY a problem...then let me know when something is being done by the govt. that doesn't have anything to do with profit. |
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2 years in a row of more ice is nice and let's hope it continues till we replace what's melted, but it's not likely as the over all trend is melting.. It's going to take 5 straight years of gains or no overall loss to overcome a 10 year average of melting. However the temp warming trend has remained unchanged, meaning even if we were to get 5 years of gains on the ice, it's likely not going to overcome the temp rise.due to the higher temps causing the oceans to warm. |
This is the kind of mental damage that smoking too much of the "alarmist" reefer causes:
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2014 on Track to Be Hottest Year on Record
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NOAA has been caught adjusting temperature records to make the past look cooler and the modern times look warmer. NOAA/NASA Dramatically Altered US Temperatures After The Year 2000 But you go ahead and keep running for the hills - I am sure it will be cooler up there so you can survive the excruciating heat. . |
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Posting a wordpress blog by some crazy ass right winger certainly helps your argument. Is he the one that told you man could survive on 1000 times the CO2 we have now? :1orglaugh |
Are we still disusing if climate change is happening,
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Think about it...IF the stuff that people like crockett and ********** believe in were true, then stupid shit like ISIS would mean nothing. The entire world would be coming together and trying to save their asses. Instead...nobody is doing anything EXCEPT figuring out ways to make money off of the alarmists propaganda. Neil Young's only fault is actually believing that stupidity. When Neil Young was a young man in the 1960's and 1970's there is no way in hell he would be accepting this kind of "science" without being skeptical. But I guess that as the decades roll by you can find yourself knee-jerk reacting to the latest thing that you perceive as helping your fellow man. I can't find fault with Neil for wanting to do the "right" thing. Who doesn't? And the statement he makes is exactly the point I've been making. WHY isn't the govt. focusing on this IF it's so important? The answer: Because it's not. And the Pres. knows it's not. Otherwise he WOULD be doing something about it instead of creating more CO2 than any of us ever will by bombing ISIS. |
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Mark I don't "hate" Al Gore. I think he's smart. And he has more scientific data in front of him than you and Crockett will EVER see. He has the money and the power to know what is really going on.
I'm just saying to you...IF it's true, then why is his response to it just a way to make himself a billionaire? And Pres. Obama has even more data and resources at his disposal. Is he mobilizing the country? No. And by the way, when I say "the US is creating more CO2"...I'm talking about the Federal Govt. and the military. Also on your comment about the EPA. Yes, the EPA DID it's job. But now it is overreaching and actually creating LAW and calling it "regulations". That is unconstitutional. Only Congress can pass federal law. The EPA does need to be abolished. Like every other bureaucracy it has grown over it's limit and now exists mainly to feed itself and continue to get funding. It needs to be shut down and a smaller more efficient organization put in it's place. It's obsolete. This isn't 1970. It's 2014. And the EPA is causing more harm to our country than any "good" it may be doing in this day and age. |
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If it's the Koch brothers or anyone not affiliated with the Democrat party in the U.S., then they are obviously greedy bastards who don't care. So guys like Al Gore...it's okay for them to make billions of dollars while the planet is supposedly dying? You see...that's where you show that you aren't able to look at this with an unbiased view. You tend to dismiss any wrong from one Team (the Dems) and attack fervently every wrong of the other "team" (Republicans) I'm telling you...they are both of the same cloth. Interested in nothing but power and money. |
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Thumbs up for you chief. :thumbsup . |
how did climate change become a partisan issue?
peoples sense of self importance around here is so revealing it's not funny. If you can keep your property and block clean of pollution and garbage you've just done as much good as you are ever going to do for the environment and this planet. Plant a tree or two and you are leading the pack, anything beyond that you are just jerking off because you have no control over anything beyond that... and none of us ever will. |
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We don't have too much CO2 now and we will never see too much CO2 in our lifetimes or in the existence of humanity. Real science is already calling into question the role of CO2 in the greenhouse effect and the climate's sensitivity to increased CO2. Even the IPCC has reduced its proposed climate sensitivity to CO2 and we are likely to see further reductions going forward as new science comes to light. For someone who claims to love science so much and know so much about it you sure have bought in to the whole "science is settled" lie even though you should know better. Spending money on carbon reduction, carbon sequestration or anything else to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere is a crime against humanity. All of that money could be spent finding real solutions to real problems. . |
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this is why it's truly nutty that gfyers are arguing about carbon, telling others how wrong they are, while buying new chevy volts. that's bizzarro! |
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Threads like this are fun and informative because I look at each one as a challenge. If someone says "This is happening and here's why", I'll Google it, read about it, and try to learn it. And whenever anyone proves me wrong (which happens often I would add), I am humbled by it. You on the other hand, just toss in the same old crap into these endless GFY conversations because its all you care to do. I talk alot about reducing pollution, saving energy and trying to be a little more green. I sold my Camaro because I hated it, and hated the cost of gas, and hated the oil companies's and their apperent disrespect for their customers and the environment. Had I not done it I would be a hypocrite, and an unhappy one. Today, I enjoy getting data from my car and trying to squeeze every electron out of the battery to get where I want to go. It's fun to me. And it also happens to be a nice car that I am much happier with than I was with my Camaro. You can't fathom this for some reason, so you just toss in an insult to me, then pat yourself on your back. Big man Dyna Mo. But since you brought it up: The Chevy Camaro costs about 9 tonnes of CO2e to build. The gasoline it comsumes over time is the biggest contributor to CO2 as well as other damage to the environment. 8,887 grams of CO2 / gallon of gasoline =8.887 × 10-3 metric tons CO2/gallon of gasoline. As I said earlier, I have driven 4515 Kilometers since June, or 2805 Miles, or about 701 Miles per month. This translates into 6.60342 Tons of CO2 per year. After about this time next year, the purchase of my Volt would have paid for itself in Carbon emissions. Also, your insult to me would be moot to anyone who made an electric car as their first purchase, or replaced their gas car with electric after it had been totalled in an accident. So, do you want to insult me for upgrading my car? Sure, if that's all you can do... Quote:
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I didn't "bring up Al Gore" You are in a thread entitled: " Al Gore: ?Polar ice cap could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years.?" I'm simply on topic. I have no idea what you think you're replying to. But reading some of the other things you posted in that reply, you're all over the map and not focused. :( |
Global Warming is such a farce.. Damn that Al Gore..
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I kinda wondered what the fuss is about.
So I just googled global temp over the last century. Here is what I found: https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/ho...last-100-years It's risen 1.53 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880 Yep, there's a reason to panic alright. No wonder Al Gore is riding in big SUV's and flying on private jets from his HUGE carbon footprint mansion to HUGE carbon footprint 5 star hotels as he goes around the globe making billions by scaring people. One and a half degrees in 100 years. Wow. I don't know how we have been able to withstand that kind of intense heat... |
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I know this wont breakthrough your know it all Robbie logic.. but this is the guy that made your pretty little chart.. https://www.facebook.com/weatherprophecy He's a real biblical climatologist.. Hell I'm sold because obviously he gets his info from God.. https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/...80883257_o.jpg :1orglaugh:1orglaugh I know, I know this guy is legit and the rest of us are all wrong.. Better yet here is someone that has already debunked your new heroes.. http://lefthandpalm.blogspot.com/201...andy-mann.html Really, Robbie if you even would of spent 2 mins researching your graph before posting you would of seen this.. I'm secretly waiting to see if you try to talk circles and try to defend your position biased on this religious quack pot, or if you will pretend to ignore it and deflect to something new. Lord knows you wont admit you were wrong and just tossed out shit to prove your position with out actually reading or researching it. This just shows you will believe anything, as long as it says what you want to hear. |
crockett, I have no idea who that guy is. I just googled for a history of the Earth's temps.
I don't give a damn about who the guy is. The question is...is the graph accurate? Or is it false? Can you show me a graph of the earth's actual global temps over the last few thousand years? I'd like to see it. I didn't go out of my way to find any "religious nut". Why would I? I think anybody who believes in religion is a "nut". lol Educate me. Show me a graph of actual global temperatures and let's see how wrong that guy is. Also, in the post above that one, I posted the actual amount that global temp has risen in 100 years. 1 and one-half degrees total. You are posting that CBS is reporting this is the hottest in recorded history. And yet everything I see when I look up global temperature says otherwise. Show me the stats. I'd like to look at them too. :) |
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The fact is you will not pick to death anything you disagree with, like Al Gore for example, when I've shown you actual scientific data from NOHAA for example in other past topics you always explain it away with your theories.. Yet you are willing to just accept a graph from some religious nut job with out even verifying it as fact. The simple fact is you constantly ignore published scientific data as hearsay and Al Gore brain washing because you don't agree with it. Yet you willingly accept this kind of stuff with out even checking on it and post it as if it were fact. Also as far as the amount of change.. That 1 and a half degrees in a "global average" that means in some places it's more and that "more" is in the Arctic as the temperature has risen by nearly double what the global average is and it will continue to rise at a faster rate than the rest of the Earth. This is all stuff that is easy to find.. NOHAA has global records since the 1800s global records were taken. EPA and various scientific groups have global tempeture further back from studies of ice cores and so forth.. It's all out there and not hard to find and it's been posted before but you always ignore it. |
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Clearly you must stop driving any type of vehicle. We all must. It is the only way to prevent the planet from bursting into a giant ball of flame. How many more of these "hottest year on record" must we be forced to endure? Who will think of the children? :Oh crap . |
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did you practice all that in the mirror first? I didn't insult you **********, you're the one the got insulted over my pointing out a simple fact- you run around here pointing your finger at others for their carbon footprint while you buy 2 brand new cars in a couple years dumping 30+ fucking tons of carbon on the rest of us. and lol at you patting yourself on the back now for googling shit when just a few posts ago you were lambasting the rest of us for googling when you say google is responsible for dispensing bullshit infos. not sure who you are trying to bullshit with your bullshit about being humble. if you had 1 fucking iota of humility you'd stop posting your biased fingerpointing bullshit. and you are also bullshitting yourself, not me, about your fucking volt paying for itself in carbon emissions, you completely fail to understand that 20 tons of carbon you dumped on the rest of us was just the manufacturing costs of carbon. wait till your fucking batteries need to be disposed too..then add some more ********** pollution to the world. you= problem, not even part of the solution. |
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"Study coauthor Josh Willis of JPL said these findings do not throw suspicion on climate change itself. "The sea level is still rising," Willis noted. "We're just trying to understand the nitty-gritty details."" |
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Carefully note the first graph: http://www.oarval.org/Foster_20k.jpg Do you notice all of those MUCH more extreme changes over the last few thousand years that had nothing to do with Human CO2 emissions? The only thing we should be focused on is dealing with the inevitable climate change and adapting to it's affects, because we can't stop it. If we were all forced to stop producing CO2 tomorrow, (and after the subsequent destruction of most of the wealth on the planet and the starvation of billions), the climate would KEEP ON CHANGING, and doing things that reduce wealth and the ability to produce new technology will actually hurt our chances of adapting and surviving those changes. :2 cents: |
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