I don't think that they had any maps made before the time of Homo sapiens. :)

Unless you want to involve aliens into this story. Also, I don't think that "Earth is flat" was some story to keep people not discovering something.

So the Vikings were the first people on Earth, gotcha.

You don't think? So if you lived back in that time and were king of the land how would you keep people from leaving your controled lands? Would you educate them on everywhere else they could go or would you scare them into not even considering going anywhere for fear of falling off the Earth?

About this map shit.

""New Danish research shows that large parts of Greenland were covered by forest. This was discovered by analysing fossil DNA which had been preserved under the kilometre-thick icecap. The DNA-traces are likely close to 450,000 years old""

To stop people leaving controlled lands? Other than they having home, fields, etc. at there, or with using force? Also, I don't think that they teached that the edge starts right after the lord's lands. The people were not that stupid. :)

And to where the people would have gone? I mean, there were lords everywhere, if you mean escaping them. To some never never land? Also, based on the "Great migration", some people did actually migrate, but not because their lord forgot to warn about the edge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period

This is what happens with everything that becomes a political football.. If it were 50 years ago, some of these same guys here on GFY would be telling us smoking is good for your health, because 99% of scientist are wrong but the handful on the payroll of big tobacco is right.

It's the same shit all the time with different subjects.. Certain types of people will believe anything as long as it goes with what they want to hear.

Those migrations occured over land, not over seas and all within the Roman Empire.

What's your "Earth is flat" theory? Do you really think anyone with half an education or a brain for that matter even in those times could look up and see the round shape of the sun and moon and not consider anything else for thousands of years and not share this light bulb of an idea with anyone else?

So, you meant that lords told that shitty story to prevent people leaving with boats? At the time boats weren't that ocean going, not to mention the navigation. And let's not forget about the ocean going boat's cost. Explorations were funded by wealthy merchants and kings and queens. Not the kind of deal where some hill billys jump to the boat and goes sailing.

And Roman empire wasn't that big as the area of migrations. And even if would have been, so what?

I am going to sleep soon, so if you have some fucking reasonable point, try to say it.

Gotcha so we all agree what we really disagree on is whether we should do something. That I can accept.

You used that link for your migration example, I didn't.

You haven't made a reasonable point as to why the tale was told. It was in fact a "fictional tale" because scholars had access to information that told them otherwaise long before it became common knowldge to the common folk.

What fucking tale? It was the times belief about Earth's form. And even if some scholars might have known the truth, the concensus didn't change based on that. Earth being roundish isn't that obvious as you might think, not to mention the proof about it. Actually as we haven't established any time frame, I don't know to what time you are referring.

And "common folk" had all sorts of beliefs, still has.

The point that you don't seem to comprehend is there was information available to those with access about Earth being round. AMoung much more inormation I'm quite sure and handed down to those with the power and privy to the knowldge for thousands of years.

There were already people on the North American continent thousands of years before. The Vikings or Columbus which ever you wish to believe didn't in all actuality discover anything. Who did first is in itself up in the air. Either way I'd venture to say neither of them sailed out without knowing what they were looking for.

fifty Ice caps

I don't get your point, that proves many things either way. Don't you get it, it wasn't some fucking tale. Most people couldn't even read and still you wonder about some misconceptions about Earth's from. There is no valid reason for telling intentionally some story about flat Earth for the means of misguiding the common folk.

I haven't said that Vikings or Columbus were the first ones in America. Haven't you heard about the "Indians"? Or do you think that I haven't heard about them?

You have some nice mixture of believing people total idiots and some fucking geniuses at the same time. Columbus was looking for India, that is pretty much espablished. I don't know about the Vikings, but I don't think that they knew about America before sailing to there. Good night, or whatever you have in there.

Anyone heard from Al Gore lately?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K-KvZWYoPg...olar+bears.jpg



This really says it all!


http://www.independentsentinel.com/w...olar-bears.jpg

Poor Al. A decade of a cooling climate and he's become irrelevant. Maybe he he'd be in the news again if he just made up some random bullshit to scare people?

... oh, wait....

Poor you, that you seem incapable of finding actual facts and just believe whatever your right wing pundents tell you. Seriously where do you get a "decade of cooling" that is probably the most idiotic and uninformed statement I've ever read.

http://prestags.typepad.com/.a/6a019...1e13b14970c-pi

Three of the hottest years on record have happened in the last 10 years.. 2006, 2010, 2013. Unlisted on that chart is 2013 has tied with the 4th hottest year since 1880. Seriously do you have any capability to think for yourself or can you only parrot bullshit you find on your right wing sites and are just incapable of searching out actual facts for yourself?

It's called averages for a reason, because some years are cooler and some are higher, but the trend is still warming, not fucking cooling.

Crockett, you're way to angry. Obviously i was being facetious. I am sure your living situation doesn't help, but then again, it's your attitude which forces you to live in a small van, have no roots, no community, no relationships etc.

I kinda feel bad for you a little bit. Your posts read like a chronicle of misery and unhappiness.

I'm having the time of my life.. I hiked 3 mountains this weekend, what did you do? I simply have no more tolerance for you guys and your uninformed bullshit.

Yes, every maladjusted lunatic forced into a life of solitude has the same story about enjoying life, personal choices and so on. It helps ease the pain.

I already gave you a good reason for telling them because they wanted to keep their tax base and/or human capital stupid and oblivious. Same reason we have countries with boarders now.

As you said most people couldn't read so they obviously would believe anything a superior and/or intellectual person would tell them. Hell billions of people believe in the religeous fairytales to this day. What's the intention behind that?

You act like everyone during those times were all monkey brained cavemen. The Egyptians can build these great pyramids that to this day baffle modern day scientist yet they couldn't figure out the earth was round and inform everyone else for thousands of years?

I agree with you 100%. People deny reality because they are afraid of it #1, because they are sold the lie #2, because they don't want to accept the fact that they have been sold that like #3.



Amen brother.


Ask the Googletron 5000 http://www.google.com

I'm sorry that you are so upset with your political party that when voting time comes around, it's a choice between a Democrat and a baboon. I am truly sorry that you feel the need to harp on and on the "party line" even knowing yourself that it's really bull shit. I'm also sorry that knowing that you just parrot the uninformed party line, that your only recourse is to personally attack people with even more made up BS, because as usual you never have a leg to stand on with any argument when it comes to right wing bullshit facts.

Most of all, I'm sorry that this has to be pointed out to you by a guy that drives around the country in a vw van for months on end, enjoying life while you sit at the same desk day after day, doing the same thing over and over again.

You know you've lost the argument when you go from debating the issue to attacking someones lifestyle. :2 cents:

Wow, this thread has gone two pages already because the intellectual bottom (Crockett and his ilk) still defend Al gore and the lie of global warming.
It's no wonder you're such fucking failures. Hahaha

The violent crime rate has been going down, perhaps we should fire half of our police forces.

OP = Moron.

Any person on the planet that doesn't understand science should not be able to render an opinion. It's like listening to a monkey pressing buttons and trying to make sentences; you just don't add up correctly.

Go back to your bible and your "I Heart Bush" button tacked to your frontal lobe.

I did some research about this when I really didn't know what to believe. And it turns out that scientists and actually brought this to the forefront the public. It was Al Gore in the seventies by himself. He attended a college class with a professor. That had done a study about Corbin and its effects in the atmosphere back after World War II.. Al Gore started telling everyone that the pollution that they saw in the sky smog. Had everything to do with it.and another suspicious thing is that all the global warming advocates.. At what they call weather models.they actually don't have a hard proven fact. Except that they believe there's more carbon in the air. Dinner was before in past history. But if you look at aa historical weather graph all way back to Napoleon. You can see that the earth is been much much harder than it ever has been today.but the mere fact that a politician bought this forward and not a scientist. Should suggest that there is something very fishy. And the last point is all of the advocates are paid for by the federal government to do their studies.

Here is a nice comprehensive list of every denialist claim and the rebuttal.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

CO2 is a basic element in all life forms. Without it you, me and pretty much everything else would not exist. Greenhouses pump this "greenhouse gas" in to increase growth. If the CO2 levels increase on Earth then naturally all life increases. The grass would be greener on the other side. If Al Gore had his way he would decrease CO2 to 0. That really is his stated goal. Which in reality isn't possible but by doing so essentially you would halt all forms of life/growth.

I don't think I'd be wrong if I said I am certain if I gave you a high school level Biology, Chemistry and Physics exam you'd score below the slowest kid in the class.

The funny thing about Al Gore, is he literally pushed the right over the edge to bat shit crazy. Prior to Al Gore writing his little book and doing lectures most Right wing politicians even the so called conservatives agreed global warming was a problem. Then Al Gore wrote a book and made a movie about it and overnight the right wing propaganda machine started going haywire.

Al Gore is the man, he drove the GOP bat shit crazy to the point they are unelectable to the Oval Office, he didn't even win the presidency and they still go nuts over him.

It's sad that I didn't say this earlier: this is fucking off topic and you are some basic tin foil hat guy, and there is no fucking use to have this conversation.

Nice "bullshit" you have in there. Similar to "climate changes". Could you tell also that we have to eat to live or something like that, that is as relevant to the subject?

About Al, I don't think he have said that there shouldn't be CO2 at all. But he might have said that human induced CO2 print is 0. And whatever he has said, it really doesn't matter. It's just fucking tactic to personify some subject to one guy and then make that guy look like ridiculous and the whole subject with him.

Wait a minute, I forgot to prove my point: tree is a plant, and thus I am right. I also have to eat to stay alive, that furthen proves my point.

It's also considered a poison at high enough concentrates. Shit grows food too, does that mean we should swim in it?

We need water too, pretty much all life on Earth depends on it. Too bad no one told Noah about it, it would have saved him for the troubles of building the ark.

Are you for real? Did you actually just write that sentence and then refer to others as uneducated? I don't expect much from a communist but really that is ridiculous.


I think it's ridiculous when somebody thinks they are a lot smarter than they really are and whose primary line of reasoning is based solely on appeal to authority.


I hope you were looking in the mirror when you wrote that sentence. You, like **********, aka123 and others are not nearly as smart as you think you are. You have all been sold and told what to say and think as much as anybody on the other side of the argument.


Skepticism has always been and should remain the default position of any scientific inquiry. Anyone who claims that the "science is settled" isn't practicing science but is instead engaging in politics.

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. - Sir Francis Bacon




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That's not really a relevant argument to make. Everything can be a poison at high enough concentrations.

The atmosphere is nowhere near toxic levels of CO2 and will never reach toxic levels because of human activity.

lol deja vu!

Not just poison, also otherwise harmful, and that was the point. This is numbers game.

You're the guy who claimed a 400,000 PPM level of C02 was not harmful and I showed you how 100,000 PPM's is deadly to humans. You still sticking to that point?

You do know that this has nothing to do with what you quoted right? It doesn't work as an analogy at all. Just saying.