Tech MyFreeCams gives penalties $1000 to model-studios even with no reason

[x_hammer_x]

Hi everybody!

Tell me plz what you think about this:

-Webcam studio registers a new model to MyFreeCams.com.
-Administrator of the site receives uploaded ID of that new model
and he thinks that ID of the new model is fake.(in fact that ID is a bit dirty and scanned with low resolution)
-Administrator MyFreeCams.com instead of any attempts to clarify the issue with that ID gave a penalty to webcam studio $1000 for that uploaded ID and declined that new model registration.

I can understand that MyFreeCams.com can decline whoever they want but why a penalty $1000!

[Adraco]

Very easy! With a penalty fee comes a high desire from the cam studio to be sure everything is correct the first time and not waste MFCs time with dirty low resolution images.

The higher the penatly, the lesser mistakes people will afford themselves and in fact cause many studios to more or less do MFCs job for them, being very, very careful with all the details.

Definitely gives the right incentives, do it once and do it right!

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by Adraco

Very easy! With a penalty fee comes a high desire from the cam studio to be sure everything is correct the first time and not waste MFCs time with dirty low resolution images.

The higher the penatly, the lesser mistakes people will afford themselves and in fact cause many studios to more or less do MFCs job for them, being very, very careful with all the details.

Definitely gives the right incentives, do it once and do it right!

Yeap, I know of a couple of studios that penalize models for being late, they have a schedule to keep!

[Adraco]

Awesome!
That will keep them in line, if you have a job, better be on time!

[Rob]

Why would you send them a low resolution scan of a beat up ID? If it took time to investigate, then you're being charged for their time. Granted it looks like they're billing using attorney fees, but it's their business, and they can charge how they feel is appropriate.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Adraco

Very easy! With a penalty fee comes a high desire from the cam studio to be sure everything is correct the first time and not waste MFCs time with dirty low resolution images.

The higher the penatly, the lesser mistakes people will afford themselves and in fact cause many studios to more or less do MFCs job for them, being very, very careful with all the details.

Definitely gives the right incentives, do it once and do it right!

Wait. Why? All model verification should be done prior to a model being allowed online.

So basically MFC is charging a $1,000 administrative fee for looking over bad docs and scans and rejecting them? Am I reading OP's post and yours correctly? Or am I off?

That seems a bit stupid on MFC's behalf. What the fuck am I missing?

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Rob

Why would you send them a low resolution scan of a beat up ID? If it took time to investigate, then you're being charged for their time. Granted it looks like they're billing using attorney fees, but it's their business, and they can charge how they feel is appropriate.

Is that "fee" in their ToS? Or do they just dole out whatever they feel to be an "appropriate" penalty (to what I am guessing) is an overseas studio owner?

I have no idea, I wouldn't touch MFC with a 20 foot pole. PPM or GTFO, then again I'm somewhat old school. I am just a clueless guy asking an even more clueless question.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Impossible to judge without the other side of the story, however I strongly suspect you won't fine $ 1000 a studio that you have a working (and fraud-free) relationship with. From what I experienced it's also those that committed fraud who shout the most.

Anyway, if anybody did fine one of their studios for such reason (ID review and rejection takes a couple seconds) it would be a stupid move.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Impossible to judge without the other side of the story, however I strongly suspect you won't fine $ 1000 a studio that you have a working (and fraud-free) relationship with. From what I experienced it's also those that committed fraud who shout the most.

Anyway, if anybody did fine one of their studios for such reason (ID review and rejection takes a couple seconds) it would be a stupid move.

The fact that THEY (MFC) hit them with a $1,000 fine almost sounds LIKE fraud. Again, I'm a noob looking for a tit to suck.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Adraco

Awesome!
That will keep them in line, if you have a job, better be on time!

Being on time is everything !

[Sly]

Originally Posted by JFK

Being on time is everything !

Even more worrisome when the little lady is late.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by JFK

Being on time is everything !

I am seriously waiting for a decent explanation on this.

If they didn't agree to their (OP's) documentation.... I get it. Send them an email back and say we need more or better image scans, pics, whatever.

What am I missing, JFK?

Am I missing: a company that allows somewhat questionable IDs to fly by and make money for MFC continually from THE studio, then hit them with a big fine because they have no recourse or do not have the ability to chase it? Knowing that they can't do FUCK or do not have a leg to stand on?

It really does sound EXACTLY like that. Bullying or extortion.

[baddog]

I would take it as a message to run like hell.

[couchsurfer]

It appears that mfc no longer wishes to do business with said studio.

[plaster]

Originally Posted by couchsurfer

It appears that mfc no longer wishes to do business with said studio.

I would hope that is case. Because mfc just stole 1k from them, and believe or not, changes in site popularity happen faster then you can fart.

[BIGTYMER]

Ouch.. Is that in the terms?

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Wait. Why? All model verification should be done prior to a model being allowed online.

So basically MFC is charging a $1,000 administrative fee for looking over bad docs and scans and rejecting them? Am I reading OP's post and yours correctly? Or am I off?

That seems a bit stupid on MFC's behalf. What the fuck am I missing?

That's exactly what I mean. Instead of simply reject inappropriate docs they prefer to take $1000 penalty and even don't answer to support requests.
What's more such a case is not mentioned in the rules. MFC behaves like petty tyrant. They judge and invent penalties "on the run"

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Is that "fee" in their ToS? Or do they just dole out whatever they feel to be an "appropriate" penalty (to what I am guessing) is an overseas studio owner?

you're 100% right. ToS says nothing about such penalties.

[Tommydiv]

This is crazy

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by Harmon

If they didn't agree to their (OP's) documentation.... I get it. Send them an email back and say we need more or better image scans, pics, whatever.

What am I missing, JFK?

Am I missing: a company that allows somewhat questionable IDs to fly by and make money for MFC continually from THE studio, then hit them with a big fine because they have no recourse or do not have the ability to chase it? Knowing that they can't do FUCK or do not have a leg to stand on?

It really does sound EXACTLY like that. Bullying or extortion.

Yes. Any of webcam sites in such cases simply reject docs or request additional/more clear ones but never punish $1000 without warning.

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by Tommydiv

This is crazy

Yeah but I'd say the main problem is - MFC's support keeps silence. Just NO comments.

[Paul Markham]

In 2015 how does a studio manage to create a bad scan and send it?

I'm serious, look at all the technology we have at our finger tips, at home. laptops, tablets, phones all take great images. Even a scanner will produce a great image.

This isn' 1997 when all we had was a photocopier. Even then I produced crystal clear images of models IDs.

As someone said I would take it as a message to run like hell, away from anyone supplying a bad scan of a new model. It smells fishy.

$1,000 fine is a bit over the top, probably to pay for going through all the other IDs with a loop to see if any have been doctored. It should be in the TOS. The studio can refuse to pay and stop supplying MFC with girls.

[Marshal]

Did you try contacting them first?

[j3rkules]

Welcome to 2015...

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

In 2015 how does a studio manage to create a bad scan and send it?

I'm serious, look at all the technology we have at our finger tips, at home. laptops, tablets, phones all take great images. Even a scanner will produce a great image.

This isn' 1997 when all we had was a photocopier. Even then I produced crystal clear images of models IDs.

As someone said I would take it as a message to run like hell, away from anyone supplying a bad scan of a new model. It smells fishy.

$1,000 fine is a bit over the top, probably to pay for going through all the other IDs with a loop to see if any have been doctored. It should be in the TOS. The studio can refuse to pay and stop supplying MFC with girls.

The matter is it's my guess about "low resolution". I don't know. In fact I see pretty clear scan of ID with the only problem - a bit dirty. That's all.
You're right about 2015 and technologies. The scan is OK but they considered it like "fake" with no comments.

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by Marshal

Did you try contacting them first?

Their support doesn't answer for any requests.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by plaster

I would hope that is case. Because mfc just stole 1k from them, and believe or not, changes in site popularity happen faster then you can fart.

A cam site popularity can fall quick if customers are upset for any reason: they pay and keep it all up. But, cam site business is not really going to fall if models/studios are fined a lot or missing support completely. What really matters to models/studios is how much they earn per month, and so the paying traffic to their specific performer's rooms. Admins sweetness or even % and unreasonable fines it is secondary.

Consider site1 where model/studio gets 30% and gets fined every day for anything, and no way to get any response from support except offenses or silence... but getting after % cut and fines, still $1000 a week. Then consider site2, where model studio gets 60%, no any fine, and admins who are super sweet and helping for everything, but getting just $10 a week. The model/studio will keep in site1, cursing it in forums, and abandon site2.

If you go to read the cam model/studios forums (the English or Romanian and Russian ones too), there are 30+ pages long complaints threads for each of the top cam sites, including MFC. Bigger the cam sites, slower and worst the support answers, and higher the fines, none of which is written in the ToS. Still those cam models and studios stay in these big cam sites, telling how bad these are, but not even trying smaller sweet cam sites, because after all, these got less paying customers (or supposedly so).

In the past 10+ years I seen lots of attempts from models/studios or sweet ex-members to setup new cam sites who are a "dream for models", giving big % payouts, super nice support and no any fine, and these all simply failed, without even getting nice reviews in the studios/models forums (perhaps an: "Don't trust new sites, let's wait a year or two before to try it"). There in forums, models/studios just talk bad of the big cam sites, and even of the sweet nice small sites without try them: "I think they have no traffic, I heard this, so I am not going to try it" or: "I been online for 2 hours and I got no private, that site is dead" (at same time, wishing to stay online days without getting a single private in the big sites, just because these are the big sites everyone is on, this way really supporting the big site whatever they do).

Someone may try to compare the cam sites market to mainstream ones, where the supply/demand and competition rules apply not only to final customers, but also on all the supply chain and partners areas i.e. studios/models. But this is not the case for a number of reasons: 1) No public people, VC's, banks etc. will invest in setting up new cam sites or just make existing ones better, this is online adult/pimping no one wants to officially touch, and leaving it to existing players; 2) No better business boureau, labour unions or even lawyers may want to be associated with patronizing and helping sex workers doing this better, the general consensus is sex workers should not exist, they should stop, and be all converted to the bible's or else morality; 3) The models/studios themselves are not into doing unions on their own (they mostly fight each other and keep in business for too short periods) or setup own cam sites: whoever done it, made a disaster or ended up as worst support and fines than existing cam sites.

For bibliography, check the list of all cam sites existing I wrote:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-existing.html

[x_hammer_x]

I'm not trying to compare webcam sites. I would prefer to know what was the real reason of that penalty $1000.

[Barry-xlovecam]

This really makes no sense -- most businesses do not make arbitrary decisions like this.

So, what is the real story here?

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

This really makes no sense -- most businesses do not make arbitrary decisions like this.

So, what is the real story here?

Compared with others webcam sites and their penalties I guess MFC simply doesn't have enough employees to resolve all the issues connected with this business.
That's why registrations of models makes somebody who does it "by the way" and doesn't report to anybody about this part of his job. He can do whatever hi wants. Models online on MFC are absolutely enough for HIM personally.
Penalties aren't automated and that $1000 penalty is not a regular one - it's a kind of a cry of despair caused by the despair of the inability to make models to be disciplined.
That's the only explanation that I see from this case when absolutely regular ID(with some barely visible traces of dirt) considered as a fake one and not simly rejected but rejected with $1000 penalty as if it was the worst crime in the world.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by x_hammer_x

That's why registrations of models makes somebody who does it "by the way" and doesn't report to anybody about this part of his job.

A $1000 penalty is seen by the accounting, can't be kept secret by a single admin. So the admin should be ready to explain the $1000 penalty in case he's asked by other managers. In the mfc TOS for models I read that fines (penalties) are possible:

Rules for Models - Wiki.MyFreeCams.com

"... or the model may face penalties including warnings, fines"

But these are after "warnings" in the list. My guess (only a guess!) it is, that this fine is result of several issues the site had with your studio before, and not an one time issue. I mean, perhaps your studio caused some other minor "stress" to mfc admins before, which was not fined, for example other dirty IDs before, and then when they got "yet another", they fined $1000. Was you warned before of anything?

By the way here in GFY there are nearly no cam studios/models, to comment if they got penalties too, and never MFC admins wrote anything here, so I don't think they're going to write here now. I suggest that you discuss about this issue in a studios/models forum.

[lennnoxo]

Do their terms have such clause about $1000 penalty? It's important

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

. In the mfc TOS for models I read that fines (penalties) are possible:

Rules for Models - Wiki.MyFreeCams.com

"... or the model may face penalties including warnings, fines"

But these are after "warnings" in the list.... Was you warned before of anything?

NO! Even a word. Sometimes they warn about some violations that it was unacceptable and the model has to stop doing something. In this case nothing - Penalty $1000 and no comments

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by lennnoxo

Do their terms have such clause about $1000 penalty? It's important

No specifics. Just several phrases like "the model may face penalties including warnings, fines"
LiveJasmin also has penalties however they place them on the rise from $5 to 250$ and not for registrations . In case of problems with new models any webcam site rejects new model -That's all

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by x_hammer_x

The matter is it's my guess about "low resolution". I don't know. In fact I see pretty clear scan of ID with the only problem - a bit dirty. That's all.
You're right about 2015 and technologies. The scan is OK but they considered it like "fake" with no comments.

I have a phone with a low resolution camera. Apart from that the printer/scanner/copier, stills camera, video camera produce great images. And none are the latest models. A webcam studio that can't produce a good image of IDs, raise huge flags.

And all of these great scans can be faked in Photoshop.

In 2015, if I was MFC or any company not with the girls under direct management, the girl would have to go on Skype with her ID and do a live interview/check. The financial penalties for getting it wrong are too huge to take a risk.

ps
I come from a time before digital when our producers content, were instantly rejected if the IDs weren't next to the girls face, crystal clear and readable. When no one knew until after the film was processed. And yet we all managed to get over the hurdle. I wonder why some have a problem these days.

[x_hammer_x]

Let me explain what I mean by "low resolution" - I mean that pic was saved and uploaded as a file with size ~500Kb (not 12Mb) so that file couldn't be enlarged. If MFC asked we could send them 12Mb file

[Barry-xlovecam]

At XloveCam we do not have "webcam court" we do not assess any penalties or fines.

We only suspend accounts for minutes or days for rules violations.

We terminate your account for any fraud or other severe contractual breech and you forfeit any monies due.

A not acceptable ID photo is not fraud if it is an isolated instance. A photoshopped ID would be fraud as an example, the exact circumstances would be a factor in any decision.

[MrBottomTooth]

$1000 fine is ridiculous. How about clicking a button that says "application rejected". and letting them type in a reason explaining why it was rejected. Hardly $1000 worth of effort required.

[woj]

they want to make $$ as much as you do, so I doubt they would just fine you for "a bit dirty and scanned with low resolution" ID... the ID is probably bogus, otherwise they would have told you to rescan it at higher resolution... it's quite possible they do a background check to verify if it's legit or incur other costs, so they pass on the costs to you + additional $$ for the drama...

it may seem like they are picky, but if something goes wrong their multi-million business will be ruined and they likely will end up in jail, not you...

if you are 1000% sure the ID is legit, take the girl to get the ID re-issued, rescan it at high resolution and problem should be solved...

[Paul Markham]

If this were a studio MFC was making a profit from, it wouldn't be upsetting it.

If it was a studio they can live without, they may take a hardline on some unknown to them, for no reason sending a low 500kb ID pic. Which no one here has seen so is unable to make a definitive judgement on.

If it was one 500kb scan among lots of 12mb scans from the studio, this one might raise a red flag.

We don't know until we see the image, as the studio hasn't had a reply. I suggest it takes it's girls to a new site that accepts them. AND never sends a low res file, as they have to have very good and fast connections to run a studio.

[MachuPicchu]

I think this is the first time I hear about such severe and stupid penalties in cam biz..

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Yeap, I know of a couple of studios that penalize models for being late, they have a schedule to keep!

Incentivising postive behaviour is a far better approach than penalization. Studios giving fines end up in trouble sooner or later, some of them get raided and closed.

[LatinCams]

Its very common on MFC now at days, that's why we quit working with them.

I give you another example: A new model comes to Studio shes unknown to us, so we don't know much about her past. We do proper documentation and register the model. Immediately we get a message "This Model is banned in MFC don't try to register her again" and a fine of $1,000. Logically seems that the model was banned in a past studio and she did not informed us about it. But what the heck do the new studio has to do with past violations ? or past work in an old Studio ? Where can a Studio look for the list of banned models for not commiting the "violation" of registering such a model ?

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by LatinCams

Its very common on MFC now at days, that's why we quit working with them.

I give you another example: A new model comes to Studio shes unknown to us, so we don't know much about her past. We do proper documentation and register the model. Immediately we get a message "This Model is banned in MFC don't try to register her again" and a fine of $1,000. Logically seems that the model was banned in a past studio and she did not informed us about it. But what the heck do the new studio has to do with past violations ? or past work in an old Studio ? Where can a Studio look for the list of banned models for not commiting the "violation" of registering such a model ?

Could it be that the $1000 fine to the OP it was because the model he tried to register it was previously banned in MFC?

It happens very often that models try to re-register from different studios, and they do not tell to studios anything normally. Especially if they was banned. We wrote in the models registration form a big text asking to specify if the model had an account previously, and we ask studios always to make sure to ask if the model had an account with us before, just in case the studio forgets. Still we find often the names in 2257 db, and it could be some try to forge the ID not to be recognised (and they change hair color too lol), whatever. To fine the studio for model of other studio trying to re-register it seems unfair, unless the studio can take the $1000 from the model in some way.

[Robin]

It doesn't really make sense, maybe there is a missing part from the story...?
Anyway if it's true, $1000 "fine" it's a bit overkill for a low res document imho.

[x_hammer_x]

Originally Posted by LatinCams

Its very common on MFC now at days, that's why we quit working with them.

your story sounds very similar though...
may I ask you - for how long have you been working with MFC and how many models did you register with MFC?

[AmatoolsLtd]

If it would be my studio I wouldn't bother contacting their support over and over again. I would write once very polite that and why I don't accept the penalty. After that I woudl give the case to my legals and not worry about it any more....

[LatinCams]

Originally Posted by x_hammer_x

your story sounds very similar though...
may I ask you - for how long have you been working with MFC and how many models did you register with MFC?

I was with MFC from the start, by the time we quit working with them last year we had about 400 Register accounts with them.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by LatinCams

I was with MFC from the start, by the time we quit working with them last year we had about 400 Register accounts with them.

And MFC did not even ask you why 400 accounts gone?

[LatinCams]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

And MFC did not even ask you why 400 accounts gone?

I think many of you guys dont know MFC or how they manage things.
Or how much they care about models or Studios.