How does Netbilling work vs. CCBill

[Thermosphere]

I can't figure out the difference between the two... Netbilling provides merchant accounts and CCBill provides billing software? Does Netbilling also provide billing software? I'm trying to find the cheapest (but still safe) solution and while I keep reading that Netbilling is the cheapest, I just don't understand the difference between them and CCBill or Epoch etc. Can someone please clearly explain this to me?

[sandman!]

ccbill does your processing and software netbilling does the software to use netbilling you need a merchant account.

if this is something you dont understand you probably need ccbill

[Thermosphere]

Originally Posted by sandman!

ccbill does your processing and software netbilling does the software to use netbilling you need a merchant account.

if this is something you dont understand you probably need ccbill

Or... And this is just a crazy thought... I could learn about it by asking questions.

[NETbilling]

HI,

With CCbill or another IPSP you using their merchant account. With NETbilling we help you obtain a merchant account, handle all the processing, providing all of the software that you need, and provide customer service as well to you and your customers if you prefer. We provide an extreme amount of control and flexibility.

There is significant cost savings having us handle this for you using your merchant account as well.

Not that anything is wrong with an IPSP as it is a good for some merchants.

However, there are differences and we are happy to explain the mall in detail.

Please contact us for more information and will be happy to help.

Thank you, Mitch Farber

[bean-aid]

Just email netbilling and ask. Questions to ask is:

1) who is bank
2) who is gateway
3) who is iso
4) what is an ipsp
5) what is better setup and why

If you ask the right people, the right questions, it can be worth a lot

[Thermosphere]

Thank you Mitch. I'm going to shoot you an email in a second here...

[sandman!]

cant go wrong with netbilling been using them for 10+ years and have only needed support 1-2 times tops during that time

[NETbilling]

Thanks so much Mark, Beaner and Sandman! Hope to see you at Xbiz Miami and the AVN show in New Orleans.

Mitch

[venus]

I have used several 3rd party billers and have been using netbilling since 1999, the biggest difference is when a third party biller goes under, there goes your money. I lost money to ibill and I think the other was web800. This wont happen using netbilling.

[C4W]

It happens Banks go Down to and mabey more likly. Ccbill and epoch are really stabile

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by venus

I have used several 3rd party billers and have been using netbilling since 1999, the biggest difference is when a third party biller goes under, there goes your money. I lost money to ibill and I think the other was web800. This wont happen using netbilling.

We appreciate the plug Venus

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by venus

..l.and I think the other was web800.

I have 2 jackets in my closet from Web800. That was an interesting year, PowerCharge also went down at the same time.

Whatever happened to jettis.com and Tommy Duschant?

[venus]

you still miss the point, if a bank closes, they are either bought up by another bank (like my merchant bank was) or you can simply take your merchant number to a new bank, get a new account and your rebilling is then routed to the new bank,,you don't get IOU's and empty promises like ibill gave us. When your third party biller goes bust, you can lose it all, its not going to happen with netbilling

Originally Posted by C4W

It happens Banks go Down to and mabey more likly. Ccbill and epoch are really stabile

[Rand]

There are several factors to consider whichever way you decide to go.

There are certainly benefits to using an IPSP and we're the longest running processor serving this industry.

A few things to consider:

• Epoch enables your online business to accept many more payment types than you could with your own merchant account. By accepting dozens of different international, regional, and local payment types, international customers can increase your sales significantly.
• Epoch provides its clients with state-of-the-art payment forms and other features such as our proprietary marketing tool, Logo GPS, a localization feature for your website which addresses your international customers based on their location, showing them custom payment options.
• Epoch's Smart Payment Forms are custom generated for each transaction and address each customer in their language, the currency of their location, and with payment options popular in their region.
• Epoch does not charge any type of reserve withholding or security deposit which means you keep more of your money from day one.
• Epoch's risk management team monitors your sales and manages your portfolio to ensure you remain within card association thresholds with regard to credits and chargebacks, domestic and foreign. The level of granularity in this area ensures that your overall portfolio performs at its highest possible level.
• Epoch provides 24/7/365 support to your customers in virtually every language by phone, chat, and email.
• Epoch provides 24/7/365 technical support should you have a problem with your password scripts or need assistance with any billing issues.
• Epoch provides you with a personal account representative who monitors your account and is there to answer any questions you may have.
• Epoch's position as one of the most experienced payment service providers of digital content provides a considerable advantage to your online business with its proprietary fraud filtering systems and post transaction data analysis.

Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions for us.

[srockhard]

I've been recently going through the application process with Netbilling. If you don't know what it means to have your own merchant account (because I didn't really understand it either) but this means that you can accept credit cards in your business name just like if you owned a sporting goods store or gas station. The application for a merchant account actually asks you what type of card swiping station you want them to provide. So once you have this merchant account you will become responsible for charges and chargebacks, customer service and really anything to do with the transfer of funds from customer to your business. The merchant account actually comes from a bank and you could try to go to your bank but it is highly unlikely that you'll get approved due to the nature of your sites content. You won't get merchant accounts from BOA, Chase or Wells Fargo either because they love porn but hate admitting it...Netbilling will help you find a bank that will work with you.

Netbilling and other gateways provide a service that makes it easy for you to manage your merchant account. That means you will see stats and support with your merchant account.

Some of the benefits of having your own merchant account vs. CCBill is that you can control your own join forms and check out. Everyone knows all the ancient CCBill forms that basically let you change the color of the background but still it says CCBill all over it and just extra tiny print it shows your company name. You have to use this page when you use an IPSP because your customer is actually paying them and in turn they are paying you. When you work with an IPSP your site becomes part of their portfolio and you much follow their guidelines to continue billing. When you work with your own merchant account you can control the join forms and flow of your signups.

Another benefit of merchant account vs. IPSP is controlling the scrub. What this means is that IPSP often set their scrubs really high so that they can avoid any assumed chargebacks or issues. They often block entire countries, black listed email address among other criteria which means that you loose out on those sales because of the IPSP. With your own merchant account you make the discisions on what you want to scrub. I have seen results with lowered scrubs and 100% of the time the merchant is making more money.

Hope that helps a little.

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by srockhard

I've been recently going through the application process with Netbilling. If you don't know what it means to have your own merchant account (because I didn't really understand it either) but this means that you can accept credit cards in your business name just like if you owned a sporting goods store or gas station. The application for a merchant account actually asks you what type of card swiping station you want them to provide. So once you have this merchant account you will become responsible for charges and chargebacks, customer service and really anything to do with the transfer of funds from customer to your business. The merchant account actually comes from a bank and you could try to go to your bank but it is highly unlikely that you'll get approved due to the nature of your sites content. You won't get merchant accounts from BOA, Chase or Wells Fargo either because they love porn but hate admitting it...Netbilling will help you find a bank that will work with you.

Netbilling and other gateways provide a service that makes it easy for you to manage your merchant account. That means you will see stats and support with your merchant account.

Some of the benefits of having your own merchant account vs. CCBill is that you can control your own join forms and check out. Everyone knows all the ancient CCBill forms that basically let you change the color of the background but still it says CCBill all over it and just extra tiny print it shows your company name. You have to use this page when you use an IPSP because your customer is actually paying them and in turn they are paying you. When you work with an IPSP your site becomes part of their portfolio and you much follow their guidelines to continue billing. When you work with your own merchant account you can control the join forms and flow of your signups.

Another benefit of merchant account vs. IPSP is controlling the scrub. What this means is that IPSP often set their scrubs really high so that they can avoid any assumed chargebacks or issues. They often block entire countries, black listed email address among other criteria which means that you loose out on those sales because of the IPSP. With your own merchant account you make the discisions on what you want to scrub. I have seen results with lowered scrubs and 100% of the time the merchant is making more money.

Hope that helps a little.

That's a very good write up.

However, using a company like NETbilling, we actually can handle customer service 24/7/365 as well on your behalf and you can dictate exactly the policies you want to.
Unlike some other gateways that provide 24/7 customer service, ours is in-house, not outsourced and we have been doing it for over 15 years now.

Mitch

[Thermosphere]

Originally Posted by srockhard

I've been recently going through the application process with Netbilling. If you don't know what it means to have your own merchant account (because I didn't really understand it either) but this means that you can accept credit cards in your business name just like if you owned a sporting goods store or gas station. The application for a merchant account actually asks you what type of card swiping station you want them to provide. So once you have this merchant account you will become responsible for charges and chargebacks, customer service and really anything to do with the transfer of funds from customer to your business. The merchant account actually comes from a bank and you could try to go to your bank but it is highly unlikely that you'll get approved due to the nature of your sites content. You won't get merchant accounts from BOA, Chase or Wells Fargo either because they love porn but hate admitting it...Netbilling will help you find a bank that will work with you.

Netbilling and other gateways provide a service that makes it easy for you to manage your merchant account. That means you will see stats and support with your merchant account.

Some of the benefits of having your own merchant account vs. CCBill is that you can control your own join forms and check out. Everyone knows all the ancient CCBill forms that basically let you change the color of the background but still it says CCBill all over it and just extra tiny print it shows your company name. You have to use this page when you use an IPSP because your customer is actually paying them and in turn they are paying you. When you work with an IPSP your site becomes part of their portfolio and you much follow their guidelines to continue billing. When you work with your own merchant account you can control the join forms and flow of your signups.

Another benefit of merchant account vs. IPSP is controlling the scrub. What this means is that IPSP often set their scrubs really high so that they can avoid any assumed chargebacks or issues. They often block entire countries, black listed email address among other criteria which means that you loose out on those sales because of the IPSP. With your own merchant account you make the discisions on what you want to scrub. I have seen results with lowered scrubs and 100% of the time the merchant is making more money.

Hope that helps a little.

Thank you! That was a very helpful post, I appreciate it a lot. It seems to me like the best idea ATM (not ass to mouth) would be to look into making Netbilling work. I've contacted Wendy there and am waiting to hear back so hopefully we can make it happen. Does anyone know the appox. % p/transaction on your own merchant account and the additional % to process with Netbilling?

Thanks everyone!

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by Thermosphere

Thank you! That was a very helpful post, I appreciate it a lot. It seems to me like the best idea ATM (not ass to mouth) would be to look into making Netbilling work. I've contacted Wendy there and am waiting to hear back so hopefully we can make it happen. Does anyone know the appox. % p/transaction on your own merchant account and the additional % to process with Netbilling?

Thanks everyone!

Hi,

The exact rate will vary based on your average ticket price and volume.
Typically for adult membership transactions utilizing trials and rebilling's it can vary between 4 to 8% depending on the services that are utilized.

Mitch

[NETbilling]

Any other questions?

[C4W]

Originally Posted by Rand

There are several factors to consider whichever way you decide to go.

There are certainly benefits to using an IPSP and we're the longest running processor serving this industry.

A few things to consider:

• Epoch enables your online business to accept many more payment types than you could with your own merchant account. By accepting dozens of different international, regional, and local payment types, international customers can increase your sales significantly.
• Epoch provides its clients with state-of-the-art payment forms and other features such as our proprietary marketing tool, Logo GPS, a localization feature for your website which addresses your international customers based on their location, showing them custom payment options.
• Epoch's Smart Payment Forms are custom generated for each transaction and address each customer in their language, the currency of their location, and with payment options popular in their region.
• Epoch does not charge any type of reserve withholding or security deposit which means you keep more of your money from day one.
• Epoch's risk management team monitors your sales and manages your portfolio to ensure you remain within card association thresholds with regard to credits and chargebacks, domestic and foreign. The level of granularity in this area ensures that your overall portfolio performs at its highest possible level.
• Epoch provides 24/7/365 support to your customers in virtually every language by phone, chat, and email.
• Epoch provides 24/7/365 technical support should you have a problem with your password scripts or need assistance with any billing issues.
• Epoch provides you with a personal account representative who monitors your account and is there to answer any questions you may have.
• Epoch's position as one of the most experienced payment service providers of digital content provides a considerable advantage to your online business with its proprietary fraud filtering systems and post transaction data analysis.

Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions for us.

Epoch rocks

[Thermosphere]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

Any other questions?

Yes, did Wendy get my email? I never received a response when I contacted her

[NETbilling]

Hi,

Our staff replies to all emails daily. So she may not have received it if you did not get a response. Do you want to resend?

You can CC me as well and you can also call the office at 661-252-2456 to speak to her on the phone.

Mitch

[scenepremiere]

If you need a merchant account we typically are the lowest priced and very flexible. Rates as low as 2.2%. Adult or any industry, TMF isn't an issue! Contact me:[email protected] or on Skype:scene.premiere

[2MuchMark]

Big bumps for Netbilling, CCBill, Epoch, and Segpay.

Never heard of ScenePremiere though....

[TidalWave]

http://blog.unibulmerchantservices.c...ment-services/

You are asking the difference between having a middle man process your payments (3rd party processor) vs having your own direct merchant account.
Having your own merch. acct is going to be cheaper to process payments, but you will have to deal with customer service.

If you aren't pushing much volume and/or don't know what the fuck are you are doing in the business world, just pay a 3rd PP.

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by **********

Big bumps for Netbilling, CCBill, Epoch, and Segpay.

Never heard of ScenePremiere though....

Thanks much Mark!

[toomuch]

Excelent Thread !!!
This is a very helpful post, I really appreciate it a lot.

I would like to know if in both case: "own merchant account" or "IPSP" Exist any "administration" who control all about it?

Would be nice to know...
Thanks everyone!

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by toomuch

Excelent Thread !!!
This is a very helpful post, I really appreciate it a lot.

I would like to know if in both case: "own merchant account" or "IPSP" Exist any "administration" who control all about it?

Would be nice to know...
Thanks everyone!

Hi,

Having your own merchant account and using a gateway such as NETbilling, will give you full control over many aspects of the processing, fraud scrubbing and customer service functions.
I invite you to contact us for a walk through.

Mitch

[toomuch]

Hi Mitch,
Thank for your reply.
I was wondering if exist any "administration from the government" or any Institutions who control them (Law, Regulations & Related Acts.)
For example: associated with claims processing either from any surfer who can not cancel the rebills OR from any webmaster owner of a site who do NOT get pay from sales and rebills from a 3rd party processor.
Thanks!

[mediabuys]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

We appreciate the plug Venus

Hi Mitch ive dropped you a email just now re using your services.

[CHMOD]

Whatever you decide to choose, if you need a solid affiliate program, you will then need Sliiing. Not only can we help you building a solid affiliate program, but we can also help you to setup with any processing option that you will decide to use.

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by toomuch

Hi Mitch,
Thank for your reply.
I was wondering if exist any "administration from the government" or any Institutions who control them (Law, Regulations & Related Acts.)
For example: associated with claims processing either from any surfer who can not cancel the rebills OR from any webmaster owner of a site who do NOT get pay from sales and rebills from a 3rd party processor.
Thanks!

Not sure what you mean here...

[toomuch]

Mitch, my question is not so difficult to understand...

Anybody know if exists any control/regulatory agency to complain when a biller (3rd party processor) or merchant account is NO legally compliant ?

Thanks everyone!

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by toomuch

Mitch, my question is not so difficult to understand...

Anybody know if exists any control/regulatory agency to complain when a biller (3rd party processor) or merchant account is NO legally compliant ?

Thanks everyone!

Now I understand. That would be the Federal Trade Commission.

[toomuch]

Its great when people understand each other.
Federal Trade Commission: www ftc.gov

Thank SO MUCH for your help.

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by toomuch

Its great when people understand each other.
Federal Trade Commission: www ftc.gov

Thank SO MUCH for your help.

My pleasure!

Mitch

[bravo99]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

My pleasure!

Mitch

Mitch, i'd like to contact you or someone from your team for a walk through of your services.

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by bravo99

Mitch, i'd like to contact you or someone from your team for a walk through of your services.

Hi,

Sounds good. Please contract our sales dept on Monday.

888-357-8166 or email [email protected]

Thanks, Mitch

[PPO21]

Priority Payout provides merchant accounts for adult sites at competitive rates, we will walk you through the process. If interested email [email protected]