Why do hangovers last days when you're over 40? - GoFuckYourself.com

Rob · 06-25-2014, 08:26 PM

In my 20's and 30's, I could throw back enough booze to kill most smaller sized people. Hit the sack at 4am, wake up at 8am, go to the gym, work, fuck a bitch or two, go to the beach, go fishing, and feel like a million fucking dollars.

But now that I'm over 40, I drink a pint and a half of Scotch, and I'm fucking sick for three God damn days! Start drinking at 7pm, in bed by 10pm. Down a couple huge glasses of water to rehydrate, and I still wake up at noon feeling like I just got dropped out of a fucking plane! And that fucked up feeling doesn't go away for 2-3 days. I drank Sunday night at a social event, and I'm still hung over. Jesus H. Christ, getting old sucks!

Emmasturbate · 06-25-2014, 08:34 PM

you got it now bub

blackmonsters · 06-25-2014, 08:48 PM

Duh, when over 40 you have to get drunk everyday.

Fucking Duh!

cosis · 06-25-2014, 09:04 PM

Because your old now!

SplatterMaster · 06-25-2014, 09:07 PM

Yours waited till you were 40? Mine hit me in my early 30s. Being old and hung over aint no fun. I guess it’s a way for your body to tell you you’ve had enough booze in your life to kill 6 nuns and a priest so maybe you should take it easy form here on out.

Mark-G · 06-25-2014, 09:39 PM

Oh, I though it's just me... Have to cut down my drinking a lot

NaughtyRob · 06-25-2014, 10:32 PM

I have not been drunk after 40 so would not know.

k0nr4d · 06-25-2014, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

In my 20's and 30's, I could throw back enough booze to kill most smaller sized people. Hit the sack at 4am, wake up at 8am, go to the gym, work, fuck a bitch or two, go to the beach, go fishing, and feel like a million fucking dollars.

But now that I'm over 40, I drink a pint and a half of Scotch, and I'm fucking sick for three God damn days! Start drinking at 7pm, in bed by 10pm. Down a couple huge glasses of water to rehydrate, and I still wake up at noon feeling like I just got dropped out of a fucking plane! And that fucked up feeling doesn't go away for 2-3 days. I drank Sunday night at a social event, and I'm still hung over. Jesus H. Christ, getting old sucks!

I actually noticed this too, but around 27/28...be happy you got to 40

xXXtesy10 · 06-25-2014, 10:46 PM

Just do a couple of bumps and you will be fine.

2MuchMark · 06-25-2014, 11:55 PM

Here you go:

From http://nihseniorhealth.gov/alcoholus...daging/01.html

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As people age, they may become more sensitive to alcohol's effects. One reason is that older people metabolize, or break down, alcohol more slowly than younger people. So, alcohol stays in their bodies longer. Also, the amount of water in the body goes down with age. As a result, older adults have a higher percentage of alcohol in their blood than younger people after drinking the same amount of alcohol.

Aging lowers the body's tolerance for alcohol. This means that older adults can experience the effects of alcohol, such as slurred speech and lack of coordination, more readily than when they were younger. An older person can develop problems with alcohol even though his or her drinking habits have not changed.

iwantchixx · 06-26-2014, 01:19 AM

Tell me about it. Put away a 40, bang a bitch (no two's, sorry) and still rant and rave cause everyone is going to bed when the sun comes up cause I'm still ready to party!

Now, I throw away 1 or two pints every Friday night and if I am not careful, I cant feel my finger tips for 3 days, cranky 1 day and sore for 2 (though, that might be the pool games, i tend to win a lot, so break a lot and my shifty ribs dont like that)

Here's my advice to drink in old age:

Eat a good base when you start slowly. Something healthy but sticks to the ribs. As your stomach clears the food, its safer then to hit the bottle harder. Hemp hearts into a stirfry with lots of rice or something. Works for me..

For every ounce of booze, 3 ounces of water.

Don't pig out on junk food, you can't clear the toxins and complex shit properly when drunk.

Do NOT go to bed drunk, ever. Sober up first until its just a good buzz. Otherwise, you will have the WORST sleep of your life and for an hour asleep drunk, you basically lose 3 hours of body repair you normally get. You also most like won't hit REM often enough, so toxins will never get cleaned out until the morning when you wake, hence, the body damage and sickness. You also wake up often when sleeping drunk. You don't realize it, but your old body will realize it the next day.

Also, The darker the liquor, the more you'll feel like the shitter...

Avoid cheap stuff, drink higher quality booze and if hard stuff, 45% or more in higher brands. Cheap stuff will make you feel like ass, all the impurities your now old kidneys and liver cannot flush.

Speaking personal experience here.. the only one that doesn't ruin me anymore is clearer bourbon. Maker's Mark seems good for mid-level drink and not too dark.

ALso, throw that manly "I dont break the seal crap" out the window... piss when it demands. Less chance of hangover.

kane · 06-26-2014, 01:53 AM

The worst hangover I have ever had was just before I turned 40. Every year some friends and I go to this seafood and wine festival. We make a full weekend of it. Normally we arrive Thursday afternoon, get settled, go to dinner and hang out that night then hit the festival the next day, and spend the next two days eating, drinking and having fun.

I made the mistake of drinking on Thursday night. I got hammered drunk then the next morning I felt great. We got to the festival and the minute I walked into the tent the hot air and the smell of the food hit me and I got instantly sick. I was miserable for the rest of the day and most of the next day.

seeandsee · 06-26-2014, 02:23 AM

Because you liver is now burned

XMaster · 06-26-2014, 03:20 AM

to remind you that you really should stop drinking that much.

ctggls · 06-26-2014, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SplatterMaster

Yours waited till you were 40? Mine hit me in my early 30s. Being old and hung over aint no fun. I guess it?s a way for your body to tell you you?ve had enough booze in your life to kill 6 nuns and a priest so maybe you should take it easy form here on out.

Loool!! I feel the same way, somehow after a certain age getting drunk ain't fun anymore

getcontentnow · 06-26-2014, 05:01 AM

Know the feeling. Try getting your sixpack back, and keeping it. Even worse then having the hangovers.

woj · 06-26-2014, 05:35 AM

when you were younger you probably drank more regularly? so your body adapted to alcohol, your tolerance was higher, etc...

PR_Glen · 06-26-2014, 06:06 AM

dehydration, you are more susceptible to it as you get older and if you don't drink enough water that same night before you go to bed you will wake up hung over, sleep in and further dehydrate yourself and the circle continues.

That and if you binge drank when you were younger you probably just didn't remember the hangovers as much because you probably drank through it heh

Spunky · 06-26-2014, 06:41 AM

Stay off the hard shit and stick to beer!

TheSquealer · 06-26-2014, 07:19 AM

I'm always baffled at idiots fighting hangovers. Your liver requires a great deal of water to process alcohol. All you have to do is drink water as you drink. Its that fucking simple. Drink a glass of water with every drink and eat food as you drink and you'll never ever be hung over. Or continue being a fucking retard. Your choice. Alcohol poisoning is the personal choice of a total moron... not a requirement.

Choopa_Pardo · 06-26-2014, 07:24 AM

Hydration is KEY.

If you know you're going to get banged up at night, drink plenty of water during the day. I drink a gallon or so per day as is, but if I plan on attending an all day cook out, I'll increase my water intake. Before I leave I set two 40oz water bottles on my nightstand. When I get home I'll slam one bottle, pop two aspirin . I'll wake up around 5am, take a leak, slam more water and catch 3 more hours of sleep. 8/9am rolls around and I feel like a champ. slam more water and get some breakfast in you. I like egg omelets with grilled veggies on the weekends.

k0nr4d · 06-26-2014, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Choopa_Pardo

I like egg omelets with grilled veggies on the weekends.

an omelette isn't an omelette without bacon.

NatalieMojoHost · 06-26-2014, 08:00 AM

You just need to practice more

John-ACWM · 06-26-2014, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SplatterMaster

I guess it?s a way for your body to tell you you?ve had enough booze in your life to kill 6 nuns and a priest.

wehateporn · 06-26-2014, 08:21 AM

By the way, Tylenol (AKA Paracetamol) stops you liver from recovering after alcohol, if you're taking it it will be the reason you haven't recovered yet.

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Originally Posted by Rob

In my 20's and 30's, I could throw back enough booze to kill most smaller sized people. Hit the sack at 4am, wake up at 8am, go to the gym, work, fuck a bitch or two, go to the beach, go fishing, and feel like a million fucking dollars.

But now that I'm over 40, I drink a pint and a half of Scotch, and I'm fucking sick for three God damn days! Start drinking at 7pm, in bed by 10pm. Down a couple huge glasses of water to rehydrate, and I still wake up at noon feeling like I just got dropped out of a fucking plane! And that fucked up feeling doesn't go away for 2-3 days. I drank Sunday night at a social event, and I'm still hung over. Jesus H. Christ, getting old sucks!

Supz · 06-26-2014, 08:26 AM

Ever since I became allergic to Advil, it basically forced me to quit drinking.

candyflip · 06-26-2014, 09:00 AM

My girl's stepfather combats this by just constantly drinking. I've never seen him without a beer in his hand. EVER.

mineistaken · 06-26-2014, 11:30 AM

What's next, you will ask why it takes more to keep your body fit at the age of 40 compared to at the age of 20?

Vendzilla · 06-26-2014, 11:43 AM

When I drink, like last night, I drink rum on the rocks with either a diet soda or water back.
I don't get hangovers, never really did. I'm over 50.
Last night went out with friends on the bikes and had a fun time. This morning I was a slow in getting started, but doing fine now!

bns666 · 06-26-2014, 12:10 PM

avoid hangovers - stay drunk

Rob · 06-26-2014, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

What's next, you will ask why it takes more to keep your body fit at the age of 40 compared to at the age of 20?

I have no problems keeping my body in shape.

SilentKnight · 06-26-2014, 03:22 PM

A month or so ago I knocked back the last 4 beers in the fridge. Beer store was too far to walk...and I wasn't about to drive. So I snuck into the wife's liquor cabinet and found an unopened bottle of stuff that resembled (and tasted like) Grand Marnier. I'm not much of a liqueur drinker, but was pleasantly surprised it went down rather nicely.

Forgot to pace myself. Somehow forgot I'm on the verge of 50 this summer, lol.

Before I realized it, I'd gone through the bottle.

Not my brightest moment. Although I can normally still plow through 14-16 beers in a night and still function with minimal hang time the next day - not so much with liqueur.

I *did* somehow manage enough presence of mind to toss back a few Aleve and a bigass cup of ice water before crashing for the night - but the AM was still rather brutal. And the PM. Despite it all - still kept my streak alive of not missing a day's work due to imbibing. Small measure of consolation.

chaseyrita · 06-26-2014, 04:19 PM

Hydrate while you booze sir! That helps. I get these too and I'm not even 30 yet!

_Richard_ · 06-26-2014, 04:22 PM

SMITH: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.
DALE: Don't do that.

LeRoy · 06-26-2014, 04:42 PM

Getting old fucking sucks huh??

Denny · 06-27-2014, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Your liver requires a great deal of water to process alcohol. All you have to do is drink water as you drink. Its that fucking simple. Drink a glass of water with every drink and eat food as you drink and you'll never ever be hung over.

Darkhorse · 06-27-2014, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bns666

avoid hangovers - stay drunk

ahahah that's the one;)

DerekMister33 · 07-02-2014, 08:16 PM

Tolerance level decreases as age increases. I've seen it happen to me slowly but steadily.

06-25-2014, 08:26 PM	#1
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	Why do hangovers last days when you're over 40? In my 20's and 30's, I could throw back enough booze to kill most smaller sized people. Hit the sack at 4am, wake up at 8am, go to the gym, work, fuck a bitch or two, go to the beach, go fishing, and feel like a million fucking dollars. But now that I'm over 40, I drink a pint and a half of Scotch, and I'm fucking sick for three God damn days! Start drinking at 7pm, in bed by 10pm. Down a couple huge glasses of water to rehydrate, and I still wake up at noon feeling like I just got dropped out of a fucking plane! And that fucked up feeling doesn't go away for 2-3 days. I drank Sunday night at a social event, and I'm still hung over. Jesus H. Christ, getting old sucks! __________________

06-25-2014, 08:48 PM	#3
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06-26-2014, 01:19 AM	#11
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	Tell me about it. Put away a 40, bang a bitch (no two's, sorry) and still rant and rave cause everyone is going to bed when the sun comes up cause I'm still ready to party! Now, I throw away 1 or two pints every Friday night and if I am not careful, I cant feel my finger tips for 3 days, cranky 1 day and sore for 2 (though, that might be the pool games, i tend to win a lot, so break a lot and my shifty ribs dont like that) Here's my advice to drink in old age: Eat a good base when you start slowly. Something healthy but sticks to the ribs. As your stomach clears the food, its safer then to hit the bottle harder. Hemp hearts into a stirfry with lots of rice or something. Works for me.. For every ounce of booze, 3 ounces of water. Don't pig out on junk food, you can't clear the toxins and complex shit properly when drunk. Do NOT go to bed drunk, ever. Sober up first until its just a good buzz. Otherwise, you will have the WORST sleep of your life and for an hour asleep drunk, you basically lose 3 hours of body repair you normally get. You also most like won't hit REM often enough, so toxins will never get cleaned out until the morning when you wake, hence, the body damage and sickness. You also wake up often when sleeping drunk. You don't realize it, but your old body will realize it the next day. Also, The darker the liquor, the more you'll feel like the shitter... Avoid cheap stuff, drink higher quality booze and if hard stuff, 45% or more in higher brands. Cheap stuff will make you feel like ass, all the impurities your now old kidneys and liver cannot flush. Speaking personal experience here.. the only one that doesn't ruin me anymore is clearer bourbon. Maker's Mark seems good for mid-level drink and not too dark. ALso, throw that manly "I dont break the seal crap" out the window... piss when it demands. Less chance of hangover. Last edited by iwantchixx; 06-26-2014 at 01:20 AM..

06-25-2014, 08:34 PM	#2
Emmasturbate So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: at the Y Posts: 21	you got it now bub

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SplatterMaster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: cyberspace Posts: 790	Yours waited till you were 40? Mine hit me in my early 30s. Being old and hung over aint no fun. I guess it’s a way for your body to tell you you’ve had enough booze in your life to kill 6 nuns and a priest so maybe you should take it easy form here on out.

06-25-2014, 09:39 PM	#6
Mark-G Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 168	Oh, I though it's just me... Have to cut down my drinking a lot

06-26-2014, 01:53 AM	#12
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	The worst hangover I have ever had was just before I turned 40. Every year some friends and I go to this seafood and wine festival. We make a full weekend of it. Normally we arrive Thursday afternoon, get settled, go to dinner and hang out that night then hit the festival the next day, and spend the next two days eating, drinking and having fun. I made the mistake of drinking on Thursday night. I got hammered drunk then the next morning I felt great. We got to the festival and the minute I walked into the tent the hot air and the smell of the food hit me and I got instantly sick. I was miserable for the rest of the day and most of the next day.

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06-26-2014, 07:19 AM	#20
TheSquealer Mayor of Thneedville Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 25,398	I'm always baffled at idiots fighting hangovers. Your liver requires a great deal of water to process alcohol. All you have to do is drink water as you drink. Its that fucking simple. Drink a glass of water with every drink and eat food as you drink and you'll never ever be hung over. Or continue being a fucking retard. Your choice. Alcohol poisoning is the personal choice of a total moron... not a requirement. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard Last edited by TheSquealer; 06-26-2014 at 07:20 AM..

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Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	When I drink, like last night, I drink rum on the rocks with either a diet soda or water back. I don't get hangovers, never really did. I'm over 50. Last night went out with friends on the bikes and had a fun time. This morning I was a slow in getting started, but doing fine now! __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

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06-26-2014, 03:22 PM	#32
SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	A month or so ago I knocked back the last 4 beers in the fridge. Beer store was too far to walk...and I wasn't about to drive. So I snuck into the wife's liquor cabinet and found an unopened bottle of stuff that resembled (and tasted like) Grand Marnier. I'm not much of a liqueur drinker, but was pleasantly surprised it went down rather nicely. Forgot to pace myself. Somehow forgot I'm on the verge of 50 this summer, lol. Before I realized it, I'd gone through the bottle. Not my brightest moment. Although I can normally still plow through 14-16 beers in a night and still function with minimal hang time the next day - not so much with liqueur. I did somehow manage enough presence of mind to toss back a few Aleve and a bigass cup of ice water before crashing for the night - but the AM was still rather brutal. And the PM. Despite it all - still kept my streak alive of not missing a day's work due to imbibing. Small measure of consolation.

06-26-2014, 04:19 PM	#33
chaseyrita Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SCOTTSDALE Posts: 177	Hydrate while you booze sir! That helps. I get these too and I'm not even 30 yet!

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DerekMister33 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 204	Tolerance level decreases as age increases. I've seen it happen to me slowly but steadily.