sure why not? as much credibility as most nics here :2 cents:

The funny thing about GFY is that everyone who matters knows who is who, and who is full of shit.

At the end of the day I don't mind anything Cherry7 posts. I don't block him or put him on ignore, I just automatically discard and skip anything Cherry7 writes about. I think anyone who who has a clue does the same.


Just Dave




Just Dave

actually David, Max's work is about as interesting to me as cherry7, so I take both with the same level of credibility :2 cents:

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Im no particular fan of a lot of people work. But I highly respect the work everyone on the higher end of this business.


I may not Jerk Off to Max's work, but I'm always impressed with the quality and the attention to detail of what he shoots. That what I'm a fan of. Why? Because being a producer and shooter, i know how hard the higher end stuff is to organize and shoot. Thats some serious work to shoot what he shoots. Its not a handy cam POV shoot in an apartment style content. What Max Shoots sells! Nuff said!



And another funny thing is that I don't jerk off to the stuff I shoot. When I'm done shooting a girl, I'm done, done. Working with and getting to know the girls ruins the fantasy for me.


I like (When I jerk Off) poorly shot, poorly lit amateur porn (Where I don't know the guy or the girl). lol



Had this conversation with Jay Allan on the phone the other day. Was a funny conversation. Jay is one of the very best best shooters in his genera (Glam-Core). What he jerks off to is very different to what he shoots.


All because I don't Jerk off to what Jay shoots, does not mean I don't have absolute respect for him and what he shoots.


When I have a DSLR, Nikon, Canon, lighting questions, I will not hesitate to call Jay. Why? Because of the respect I have for him, his knowledge, his background, work ethics, etc.


The few conversations I had in person with Max(Great guy!), he too impresses me with his vast production knowledge and experience. Max=Knows his shit!!!



And Grapesoda; We are friends, we talk on the phone quite frequently. You know your shit, you are good at what you do. Especially when it comes to Nikon. I don't jerk off to what you shoot either. Doesn't mean I don't respect you and your skills as a shooter.


The funny thing is that Grapesoda is a really good guy, knowledgeable guy, Class act type of guy, etc; He just comes off wrong on GFY at times. lol


Thats GFY for ya:thumbsup


Just Dave

Me too! What I can't stand are jealous haters like Cherry who see people like Max getting attention for his work and then they decide to attack his work in public in an effort to ruin his name & reputation. I would have more respect for Cherry if he had reached out to Max directly via email to have that conversation. But because Cherry is a drama queen, he decided attacking Max's work publicly was the best option. :321GFY

TMI :Oh crap

That was my experience as well. Super nice guy and loves to talk shop! If Cherry wasn't such a fucking hater/troll, I imagine he and Max could have had some great conversation about filmmaking. Hard to have a conversation with a hater who feels the need to attack you in public though.


He's a good guy, with a good heart and one of the few people in the world that I would trust with my life. But some days he's bat-shit crazy and I can't stand to be on the same planet as him :1orglaugh

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And the sad truth is that whether we're shooting high production value porn like Max, or "poorly shot, poorly lit amateur porn", our most satisfied viewers are only watching 3-4 minutes of our work before cleaning themselves up and going on with their lives.

David, Dean... it's all good, possibly I have a different set of standards from working on films with 100 mil budgets and stuff... and honestly I have no interest in porn... I shoot for money.. you guys know that... never even saw cherry7 stuff or max's stuff.. got absolutely no interest al all.. I've seen you and Deano shoot some cool stuff however I don't watch it.. I do understand the effort invested... and I do understand the emotional investment... just not my thing at all... in fact shooting sex always made me a bit sick to my stomach.. you guys know that

as shooters we are all judged by the crudest low quality stuff out there Marco :2 cents:

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I disagree on quality it depends on who you are selling too.

I will agree that currently the biggest part of market does not seem to care about technical quality, but broadcast cable does, HD sites do, also with the rise of so many high end erotica sites more people do to. The tide is turning, The future is crude and perverted, but well shot.

Lets hope that Cherry doesn't carry over the people skills he displays in adult to his new venture, Softy Lite.

Not a product I'd be wanting to use around a porn shoot either :)

Softy Lite? What is that? Erotic movies made to keep you soft?

Here are links to the trailers for a few of my recent movies, ones i am most proud of

http://www.dorcelvision.com/en/studi.../The_Ingenuous
http://www.dorcelvision.com/en/studi.../The_last_shag
http://www.dorcelvision.com/en/studi...h_little_bitch
http://www.dorcelvision.com/en/studi.../My_first_orgy
http://www.dorcelvision.com/en/studi...orious_Bitches
http://www.dorcelvision.com/en/studi...993/Army_Girls

I like the stills being shot in the US for paper street however I doubt very much the videos match that look.... very very very seldom do stills match the video OR they would use screencaps..... with the advent on dslr, yes many shooters have the ability to 'mimic' film so yes, we will see this in porn just like we see it now with low quality poorly written mainstream or broadcast cable films... I have no idea how it will turn out... more than likley porn and the internet will be banned because it upsets muslims anyway :2 cents:

movies look like this Max :2 cents:

Looks great!

Did you make it?

Well done if yes.

The first thing anyone learns in an art school or any creative endeavour is how to take criticism and receive it.

It is the most valuable resource.

I understand that you all swim in your little pond and pretend to be big fish but the product you produce is watched on the same TVs as well made programs and it does not make the grade.

Max Candy is no shrinking violet. He claims to be one of the best erotic film makers.

There were some really good erotic films made back in the day. They broke out of the ghetto to reach a wide audience. They were good films in their own right.

If you think that the films being made are the best that can be made, or even that they are exceptable you are the ones that show yourselves to know nothing.

Here is a movie with acting as bad as a Max Candy film

BarbiesWashdayHQ

I really appreciate sincere criticism from people I respect and/or take seriously.

People that are positive in their intent.

Not obviously talentless sad bitter old men, that clearly are motivated by jealously and/or a need to make themselves feel better are others expense.

And one of the first things one learns as a creative person is that it's much easier to criticize than to create.

Your criticism would probably be better received if your work was in the same league as the person you're criticizing. It isn't in the same league--not even close.

i am happy that all this doesn't matter at all to me

i just want my invoices paid

That's nonsense. Anyone can criticise. Theatre critics don't make plays. Film critics don't produce films.

The issue with Maxim's "criticism" is that it isn't really criticism. It's just bitching aimed at winding people up. I guess it worked.

Of course anyone can criticize, its about credibility, as to whether one listens or not.

As I said at the onset, i was just curious if anyone at all took the guy seriously?

For me the question has been answered clearly, Nobody takes Cherry seriously.

There's a difference between a well crafted "heartfelt" critique and a whiny little bitch just being a whiny little bitch! Do they teach "that" in Art School? :1orglaugh

haven't worked in the film biz for 16 years max... no interest.. I think Jay Allen shoots nice looking stuff, and the nubiles films looks good as well...

Imagine that the most famous painter in France was really crap.

And he had all the awards. And other crap painters said he was great.

Would the fact that the painting were crap be damaging to;

1) Art

2) Other painters

3) people who loved paintings

In fact all three.

This is the situation in the "porn" industry, because of its semi legal status, because of criminal sales practices, because of lack of artistic status. The victory of mountains of poor content over originality and creativity.

If you think I am wrong its easy to prove post a great Max Candy scene or examples of great erotic art being produced.

Maybe my criticism is not up to your standard, but I took the trouble to buy the film, watch under ideal conditions and show it and discuss it with a couple of mainstream film makers.
My motive may have been that I was fed up in reading about "Star Wars" being the best film ever and how Muslims will take over the world, and the latest 4 K camera will make better films.

People post when they see a point to be made. The fact that a $200,000 erotic movie is a train wreck and yet people thinks its great, seems to me a point worth making.

But thank you for your comment which at least breaks the 3 figure IQ barrier.

Nice try turning this around. LOL.

I have never said i am great, there are many better than me, its a big industry, and a bigger world - only that i am much better than you. And you Sir are a Sad Bitter Old Man.

The question was, Does Anyone here, anyone at all, take you seriously or would YOU post anything you made, that shows you remotely should be taken seriously.

The answer seems a pretty resounding no.

PS You can see my films widely and there are previews for several at MaxCandy.com

not resounding at all max... no diff between the 2 of you for me :2 cents:

For all you great thinkers here on GFY, I'd like to reframe Cherry7's argument in an analytic style--in terms of Cartesian geometry. I copied this graphic from another website but added my own nomenclature to make it relevant to the current discussion... please feel free to add your comments . . . .

http://www.littlegrayguy.com/gfy/rabbitduck2.jpg

It's a small, low lux LED light panel. Not a bad looking bit of kit. If I didn't have some of my own I'd consider getting a couple. http://www.softylite.com/

I too have a website and if you wanted you could view all the erotic videos I have made in the same way I have watched yours.

Accusing the person making the argument of being "old, bitter, sad " or "left handed mad and green" does not change the point. Is it true that your films are poorly made?

Also as you do not know me and we have never met you do not know if I am sad and old or sitting in a bath with 2 babes singing as happy as a pig in shit.

I do not bear any ill will to anybody on this board I know only a few of them, and when I have me them at adult does everyone is puppy like.

BUT the good news...You could make a really great movie with a little bit of preparation. I am mean a movie that would show in normal cinemas and festivals.

1) Get some help with a script writer (good films are made on paper)

2) Hire a professional Czech DOP trained and experienced

3) Use less models keep the story simple.

4) get a couple of great looking models that can act.

Take a look at the Terence Malick film "To the Wonder" it is a bit of a failure but there are some really interesting ideas there that can be adapted and learnt from. Check out Czech cinema of the sixties and any mainstream film with erotic content. Add your experience with hard sexual representation.

Cherry7 / Maxim Ford?

I never said i was the best, there are plenty of people i respect in this industry, you are not one, but i will put my work/resume up against Cherry7 any day of week.

My recent Awards/film resume..

2014
L’Innocente for Marc Dorcel / Wicked Pictures
- Best Director Max Candy / Michael Ninn – Foreign Feature AVN 2014
- Best Foreign Feature AVN 2014
- Best Sex Scene in a Foreign Shot Production AVN 2014

2013
- Named America’s Favourite Porn Director at “The Sex Awards”

Inglorious Bitches for Marc Dorcel / Wicked Pictures
- Best Foreign Director / AVN
- European Director of the Year / XBIZ
- Best International Porn / TLA Raw
- European Feature Release of the Year / XBIZ
- Parody Release of the Year (Drama) / XBIZ
- Best French Film / Vision Awards

2010
RITUAL for Marc Dorcel / Wicked Pictures
- Best Foreign Director / AVN
- Best European Film / Erotixxx / Venus Berlin

2009
Ritual for Marc Dorcel / Wicked Pictures -
- Best French Film / Hot’OR

2008
Sexual Adventures of Little Red / Private Media
- Best European Film / Erotixxx / Venus Berlin

2007
Girl Girl Studio / Private Media
- Best Lesbian Film / Ficeb Barcelona

double post

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Then you go on to use the word best 11 times! Irony?

Again you miss the point.

Film is a language, and you do not speak it. Is it important who tells you this?

There are a easy ways to check this. Send your film to a film festival. Show your film to a professional film maker and ask them.

Do you really think I care if I have respect from people I don't know and I can see are clueless?

People have tried to say that I am not Cherry Chapman but really someone else who works in the mainstream film industry, qualified, award winning cinematographer, director, making film lights, TV programs etc. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a sad old bitter illegal immigrant.

No sir, you seem to miss the point, you speak as a expert with nothing to back it up.

And then insult an industry that you seem to want to be part of.

I have looked at your material, your shake it like a white girl trailer, made me laugh out loud, now i know why you will show nothing here.

As I say if you don't think I know what I am writing about show it to any real film industry professional.

The Czech film industry is very good and it would not be difficult if you asked members for their advice and comments in a modest way.


Insult the porn industry - you're kidding right?

Is there a membership requirement to join this industry?

Is you have to have failed at everything else?

[QUOTE=Cherry7;20145997]As I say if you don't think I know what I am writing about show it to any real film industry professional.


/QUOTE]

I assume you are a real film professional?

Are you Maxim Ford or not, as other have said?

FYI http://vimeo.com/user7698840 is samples of Maxim Ford real industry work.

If you are not, please tell me if you think "Maxim Ford" is a real industry professional?

Long Discussion....

Guess many do Care :-P

He shouldn't have to prove that to anyone on a porn board.

Personally I don't see a similarity.