Relentless

As usual, your post provides zero added value to the discussion.
Have luck.

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Relentless

Matt26, how many times in this thread do you need to post to have a chance to win the contest?
Oh wait, posting contests are gone and your primary role in the industry went away with them.

Have luck

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georgeyw

I was wondering what his agenda was

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My agenda has been clear from the start. If people want to help each other earn more, post what sponsors pay you per click. Post your top 5, post it by niche or by general traffic source. That information has huge value (which is why nobody posts it). Instead people post: nonsense, bogus morality claims, hyperbole and stupidity to drum up drama.

I work with dozens of programs presently. Many are direct competitors of each other. I don't earn a penny extra if you send traffic to JT's sites or anyone else's sites. WebsiteSecure seals are on many sites in adult and mainstream because they are a valuable service to merchants and consumers. People use them because they have proven value, not because I bicker with you on GFY.

As someone who owns Paysites and affiliate sites it's frustrating to watch people stare at 2+2 and shout 9 as their guess at the answer.

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Struggle4Bucks

Completely ignore the fact of the leak itself and turn it into a matter of $/clicks. The fact of the best $/click doesn't mean that you at the same time can't or should not point out a leak. Saying that all comes down to $/clicks but ignoring that leaks effect $/clicks....
Accepting everything as long as "they "are paying best... Even if you have best $/clicks at sponsor A. you still would have had better $/clicks if sponsor A was not shaving... It's not about comparing $/clicks at different sponsors... it's about getting all that one should be credited for.

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Relentless

If there is a leak on any site it already reduced your actual $/click in the analysis and is already factored in the actual payout. If it still pays you the most, it still pays you the most.

What is best?
1) A site that pays you .00002/click because it doesn't convert
2) A site that pays you .00002/click because it shaves
3) A site that pays you .00002/click because it has leaks
4) A site that pays you .00002/click because it is unlucky
5) A site that pays you .00002/click because your traffic is wrong for it
6) A site that pays you .00002/click because [any other reason]
7) A site that pays you 5 cents/click

1-6 are identical

Relentless

Struggle,

SponsorA could give you $100 for Xmas but didn't. That means you could have earned 100 more than you did, right?
Nonsense

It's about actual clicks and actual dollars.

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Colmike9

If the dollar per click can be higher by crediting affiliates for every sale and not doing alternate advertising, most of the time for a better price or more sites/content, why wouldn't that be an important issue to point out like the OP did?

I'm not talking about Ruseful specifically, either, lots of programs do it like Chaturbate with Flirt4Free emails or Juggcash by emailing previous members with a $9.99 deal after unsubscribing, just sayin'..

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Struggle4Bucks

And if there were no leaks it would even pay out more...
Very simple for everyone to understand... You have a very non-American approach to business... Sending traffic where you get the best $/clicks is one thing...
Getting ALL credits one deserves at a program is another... One thing is not excluding the other...

You are almost saying that it's not done to bring a leak to attention.

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Relentless

You send 100 clicks to sponsorA and they pay you $10 with zero leaked clicks.
10/100 = $/clicks

You send 100 clicks to SponsorB and they pay you $20 with 2 sales lost to leaks
20/100 = $/click

You could not have earned more from either sponsor. You did not earn more from either sponsor. You actually earned exactly what they paid you. The most important fact is you get to decide where to send the next 100 clicks.

Get paid 10, get paid 20, find SponsorC or create your own paysite.
That's your options. Nobody gives a fuck what your heart tells you that you could/should/would earn

Try paying your mortgage with "$3,000 + I should have been paid 300 more"
If your mortgage is 3,300... Your bank doesn't give two fucks. They care only about the actual check amount you sent to them
That's because they are a business, not a social club for asshats and mylittlepony enthusiasts.

You got paid an amount. That is the actual amount you got paid.
Really, the math is very easy.

sabaidii2

This was my first thread (and post) on GFY. And while I'm pleased that there's vigorous interest in my topic, I think the thread has run its course by this point.

Everyone has stated their position. Repeating your position ad nauseum isn't going to convince those who hold a different position. Personal attacks really aren't going to be persuasive either (For the love of God, PLEASE: no more gay images/gifs!)

As I said, this is my first contribution to this board. If there are any active admins, I ask that all personal attack posts be deleted as the value of the thread is diminished by their presence.

xXXtesy10

Nope, back up regardless of new Redickless threads

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Struggle4Bucks

I completely understand your $/clicks theory...

I just don't understand your problem with posting a leak...

And one thing is not excluding the other.... why can't a webmaster point out a leak at sponsor B and trying to get $30 with 3 sales? Then it would be 30/100 = $/clicks...

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Struggle4Bucks

Please tell the admins i didn't call anyone a Nazi or a faggot... it was just analogy...

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Struggle4Bucks

Oh this was your welcome post... why didn't you say so... I'm sorry i interpreted it wrong ....All this trouble for a welcome...


Welcome!

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Nurgle

good to see your the spokesman for the sponsors that shave on this board. Its time they had a voice

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Look look JT's little minions are here!!!!

pathetic.

bluebook18

Here we go again...

OldJeff

Thank R_n I only deal with people I know for traffic.

As an affiliate you only ever have 2 choices, send traffic, or don't send traffic.

All this other bullshit is just that, bullshit. I have never given a rats ass what a sponsor does with traffic I send, convert like crazy, or skim it 98% and sell in PPC, I do not give a fuck.

Who sends me the biggest check !!

Picking apart sponsor business models is pretty much a waste of time, coming to gfy with every little traffic leak found is one of three things.

A cry for attention because mommy didn't breast feed long enough (or something like that)

Looking for an excuse to start a piss with someone because you don't like them.

Looking for an excuse to blame your own failures on.

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lucas131

yeah, there are people who dont fucking care and care just about money, but i am not sleeping well if i know someone is stealing part of my hard work ... of course i can leave, but why just to leave after all the hard work you put into promotion, if you found out there is something wrong? its point of view, so we can discuss this forever, but there is only one truth, that ruc have great deal traffic leaks on revshare links, so its good that people care and discuss that on forums ... of course there is more of them, but about other programs people dont care, so its not the topic in this thread ...

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Relentless

Posting $/click is posting both. If you post sponsorA paid you 8 cents per click that automatically includes everything. If they have leaks or not, shave or not, update or not, have good content or not... It's already all factored into that 8 cents they actually paid you. All the rest is people idiotically grasping at straws to justify the 8 cents or to complain about the 8 cents. None of it changes the fact that the 8 cents is what matters and the 8 cents already includes everything else.

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lucas131

i dont believe you will be quiet, if you knew, that you can make 20c/click than 8c/click ... no $/click answer is needed, i know your logic, just asking, will you be quiet, if you knew, sponsor is taking 12cents from your click so you make only 8cents per click instead of 20cents per click? ...

Relentless

The real solution here is for a sponsor to start a program and announce you will be paid 'up to the actual amount of your check.' No mention of PPS or revshare. Just 'send me your traffic and I'll send you money, if it's more than anyone else sends you... go ahead and send more traffic.' In reality that is exactly the deal every sponsor is offering... Whether they call it PPS, Revshare, CPM or whatever else. It includes all leaks, advantages, problems and everything else.

You send traffic, they send money. You calculate $/click and decide if you want to send more.
The only alternative is to start your own Paysites so people send you traffic and you send them money.
Nothing stops you from doing both.

Relentless

There is no such thing as should get. There is only what you actually did get. I can't buy food with should get, only with what I actually did get. I don't even read about what I should get. I know exactly what I actually get. If you got 13 cents, that is exactly how much that sponsor is bidding for your traffic. Accept the bid, or reject the bid if someone else bids more.

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lucas131

if you put your time and hard work into promotion of sponsor, that is offering 50/50 revshare, it is about splitting 50/50 of revenue. when there are leaks, it is not 50/50 share, but some, and if you offer that great deal as ruc have, maybe many of percents are not shared with you, the one who is sending the traffic. with ruc, while i have been their affiliate, and they have been producing new sites wirh unique content, i had really bad ratios, that is why i complained, and now it looks like i have found why my ratio, and $/click, was that bad. i asked, got banned. here someone posted sollution, i am happy for that so i know possible reason why i had that bad revenue with them, and, other people here can find the same ... nothing to explain or excuse, it is talking about business, and as you can see, some people care and are full enough of your missleading explanation and out of topic replies ...

Relentless

Lucas,

You decided not to send traffic to sponsorA based on the $/click being 'too low' and you now send traffic to SponsorB instead. Your actions agree with me 100%. If you want to be helpful, post which sponsors pay you the most per click. That helps others know where to send their traffic. Unfortunately it also leads to the content becoming over-saturated and makes your job harder. All the rest about 'should' is nonsense. You didn't make a decision based on should, you made a decision based on your own actual $/click.

After all these threads, it's interesting to see your decisions are also based on $/click

lucas131

for example look at pimproll. they are offering links, and it starts at 40pps and 60revs or somehow, and if you unclick popups and xsales, you get to 25pps and 40revs, so everyone can choose. that is how things like that have to work! not like popups or xsales on revs links without letting affiliate know ...

Relentless

I do agree that Pimproll is an excellent sponsor. Their checks always come on time and I earn a good $/click from them.
I don't care what their 'should' says... I care very much that they pay on time and have a good $/click.

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lucas131

but still, it is good to tell potentional future webmasters that there are traffic leaks, isnt it? thats why this thread was started anyway right ... ?

slapass

Agreed. What other affiliates see in a thread like this - the sponsor converts pretty well and the affiliate is making bank. But he sees this weird thing happening. He wants to save his traffic with the good sponsor so he wants the sponsor to change the problem.

If Really Useful Cash would claim a rogue employee and remove the pop, everyone would remember it converts well and now has cleaner tours.

Relentless

It doesn't matter even a tiny bit. What does matter is do they pay on time and do they pay a high $/click.
If a sponsor has zero leaks but pay 0.000001 per click and checks are late they are a BAD sponsor.
If a sponsor has many leaks but pays 100% on time and actually pays 80 cents per click, they are a great sponsor.

Payments on time
Legal business
High $/click

Post about what actually matters. That helps webmasters find good sponsors.
The rest is like being caught in a giant stone vagina. It isn't helpful even if it looks exciting ;)

Relentless

No. Only idiots care about rogue coders and 'reasons' for high or low $/click.
Professionals understand a rogue coder is already factored in the actual payout amount.
If a rogue coder lowers the $/click value, that isn't my problem.... That's the sponsors problem. Now his $/click is lower and he has a harder time bidding for traffic.

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RazorSharpe

Just because one works in the "porn industry" doesn't mean we shouldn't have morals. That is a ridiculous assertion. I can, to a degree, understand people outside this industry thinking like this, but it's a sad day when the people within it use what we do to condone deceitful business practices.

You are constantly going repeating your $/click theory and while it makes sense, it shouldn't be right to just accept that your earnings will get stolen. You wouldn't accept this in corporate America whether you knew you couldn't get a better paying job or not. Who in their right mind would accept a job paying whatever per year only to find that 20% of your wages has been siphoned off because your employer decided to steal it.

You'll hardly "just accept the fact that from all the job offers received, they were paying the best".

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If you've been deprived of sales, it's no longer your "actual $/click" now is it?

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Relentless

1 - Razor, I never said people in adult lack morals. I said people in adult aren't using their morals as the primary motivation for where they send their traffic.

2 - Nobody can steal what you actually earn. What you earn is your actual $/click. Focus on the real number, ignore any promises. From anyone.

3 - corporate America is exactly the same. Your boss promised you a raise that didn't come. He has dozens of excuses. He actually paid you only exactly what he really paid you. Keep working there or work somewhere else. All the excuses about what he 'should pay you' are nonsense.

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before they have been outed, they have been of course good sponsor, as they could afford pay good money because they have been banging cards, and they have been paying on time and every time, so i bet you would be defending them as you are now defending ruc, even if you knew nothing about what is really going on ... that is what some people including me dont understand, and are taking you just as a troll who is trying to hitchhike second ruc thread with your $/click logic ... btw, you see, that this is the second thread about ruc, where affiliates are not so happy with their practices or stats? who else have this dedicated threads? you think we are paid by competition? ... open your eyes ...

Relentless

Yes it is... And that is the point.

A sponsors promises 50PPS
You send 100 clicks
They send you 49.00 for 1 sale.
They say they charged $1.00 for sending payment.

Your actual $/click is 49/100
It isn't 50/100 because the promise of 50PPS is meaningless
What matters is actual dollars divided by actual clicks


Whether that money 'should' have been 50' could have been 60, would have been 90 is 100% nonsense
The number IS 49 according to your bank. That IS the only number that matters.

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Search my posts Lucas. Find one where I defend them before or after... Ever.
Never happened. My eyes are open. Yours are too, but you pretend they are not.
Why?

We are paid by competition btw... Each sponsor competes in a $/click auction to get your traffic.

lucas131

i said i bet you would ... not talking to you about this topic anymore, waste of time, we both know it

Relentless

Ahh so now your eyes are open again. Congrats!
This topic is a waste of time.
Post the $/click each sponsor pays you. Post who pays on time and who doesn't.
Those topics are not a waste of time.

nico-t

nice logic.

lucas131

i think i have posted $/click screenshot few months ago, got like five replies, so not sure if thats what people wants to read here on gfy

Relentless

So you care about helping people? Or you care about drama nonsense? Make up your mind. We both know that screenshot has value and this nonsense doesn't. Why not try to actually help people by showing them useful information and explaining why that matters and this doesn't.

Who actually pays you the most per click, on time and in a legal business?

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same monkeys throwing shit, different thread. if you chumps spent 1/10th the effort working as you do trolling, maybe you could move out from under the bridge.

lucas131

i would still feel more like human making 100usd/day legit way, than 10k/day your way ... not sure why i am answering to trash like you, it is like talking to dirty drunk criminal on run, same feeling, same human trash ...

slapass

You are not making sense. if you make x/click and by exposing something like this, you will make x plus then what is the downside? The internet only has word of mouth for this business model so why not use it?

nico-t

so how would you describe not being credited for sales you've sent?