33 states don't require you to have an ID to buy assault rifles
0 states allow you to vote without providing some sort of identification

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201.../2550851/guns/
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/clin...ns_and_voting/

Yes, it's easier to buy an assault rifle in many states then it is to vote.

'Murica fuck ya!

I'm assuming it's to preserve the second amendment rights of dead people and illegal immigrants to buy and bare arms

I'm still at a loss as to why the fuss? It doesn't matter who gets in, who can/can't vote, the end result is the same anyway. Or is it that people are up in arms because they don't have a say in who it is that fucks them over?

if a person isn't interested enough in the privilege of voting enough to get ID why in the fuck do you care if they vote of not if they don't fucking care? that's totally on them... or are thinking people aren't responsible for their actions?

My beef is not with these people.

You are totally right. I don't get it also...

so your beef is the peeps that had the fucking nerve to ask people to take responsibility for their actions then?

It's interesting that you are saying this.... So then the hieghtened background checks for owning a gun (which is also a right), are an attempt to keep minorities from owning guns?

(by the way, that infographic about being able to buy a rifle without ID, ONLY applies to the private sale between two individuals in a private setting. There is NOWHERE in the US where you can walk into a gun store, (or into a gun show), and buy a gun without ID. NOWHERE.

Anyone that wants to try to do that, please let us know how it goes.


(Actually all present gun control laws originally evolved from laws intended specifically to keep guns out of the hands of blacks and hispanics, but that is another conversation)





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No, but you bring up an interesting parallel. Republicans are pushing for tighter voting rights because it benefits a very few. The NRA is lobbying for softer gun control because it too benefits a very few.

No.

This thread was meant as another venue to bash democrats and the people I called out in it are all guilty of this.

The guise is electoral fairness (i.e. voter ID) and the absurdity of calling it racist.

In isolation you are all correct.

However nothing happens in isolation and by ignoring all the other aspects of the issue you are furthering the republican agenda instead of calling out both sides equally.

I don't follow your logic. By that same token then, the Democrats are pushing for tighter gun control because it benefits the very few.... i.e. those that can afford ID.


....and for that matter, if the Democrats had their way fully with guns, then only the wealthy and political elites could afford to protect themselves with armed guards, and everyone else would have to just wait for the police to show up, hopefully at some point.




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I have no idea what the republicans are 'up to' .. but as Ma Dalton and few other pointed out.... it's perfectly legitimate to present ID to vote... and I agree with that... when people or groups state that it's racism to expect/demand one segment of the population to function at the same level as the rest of us... well.... it's very strange indeed...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh (BTW it's not the price of ID it's the total lack of interest)

at some point Mark will have to stop doing mental jumping jacks and accept reality... :2 cents:

EXACTLY. That lame ass gun excuse about voter ID is total bullshit.

On the gun issue...they are talking about me selling someone a gun in PRIVATE. No govt. involved, no store involved.

And I got news on that...it happens EVERYWHERE around the world. People buy guns from other people. Legal or not.

This discussion has reached depths of foolishness that make it impossible to have any debate.

Here is the reality ONE MORE TIME:
It is EASY, CHEAP, and QUICK to get a state issued photo ID in every state of the union.

Using your BRAINS...that should tell you that anyone who wants an ID can easily get it. And also, the vast, vast majority of all adults who are not in jail or have some sort of mental incapacity...HAVE AN ID ALREADY.

There really is nothing more to argue here. If you can PROVE that it's somehow difficult in the very least for a "minority" or "poor" person to get an ID in any state of the union then you would have a logical argument.

You can't. And you don't.

Yes but again you are focusing on one small point to the exclusion of the whole.

this graphic is so misleading it's laughable!


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It is foolish and hard for most to realize because their heads are stuck so far up the GOP's asses.

I.D. is cheap and easy for most to get.

But if you are poor, spending $30 a person or so is A LOT of money that they don't have. Now if you have 5 in your family there is no way they could afford $150. Plus someone has to take time off work and perhaps spend money for transportation to a state office. Do Republicans suggest that gov pay or help pay for it and suggest strategies so that every person who has a hard time getting ID can? Of course not. They don't want those people to vote! (BTW I'm not even talking about illegals)

It can be done but understand it is a HURDLE.

Just like closing or shortening early voting and Sunday voting.

Put a few hurdles together and it makes it difficult.

There are also many old people who have no birth certificate because it wasn't always as common back then to issue them, and without it can't get proper photo ID today since they stopped driving. Another hurdle.

NOW ... stay with me please ...

Let's pull back and stand further from the big picture. Republicans are trying to win this one little point (I.D.) in the popular media to be able to push all the other hurdles through that come with it ...

Let's pull back some more.

If they were so concerned with fairness, why not open up the whole process and create laws and inquiries into past allegations and present loopholes/problems. Republicans don't do that because it doesn't favor them.

So, I will not support a motion from a group who put out one legitimate point (requiring I.D.) so they can then put through a few dirty tricks along with it and who do not care one bit about the issue when it does not favor them.

All this sounds fine.... Except that, not only does it cost less than $6-$10 for a state ID, (not a drivers license, just a photo ID) , but also pretty much every state has a program which will issue them free for people with low incomes.... Just wanted to point that out.



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Had to stop your foolishness right there.

I've pointed out SEVERAL times in this thread...to get a State ID you simply go to your LOCAL DMV.
Depending on your age the price varies. Here in Nevada (again I'm having to type this...so I'll do it real slow for you so you don't miss it this time) the cost is:
Under 18 years old: $9.25.
18 – 64 years old: $21.25.
65 years old or older: $7.25.

Now let me address that "family of 5" bullshit.

I have a "family of four". Me, my wife, and two kids.
That would be TWO people needing ID to vote. Not FOUR. Or as you said...five.

Now assuming that both people have incomes...and are 18 to 64 years old...That would cost them a grand total of $42.50

As for "transportation"...it's at the LOCAL DMV. Not some far away magical place that's hard to get to.

And AGAIN...all the states have programs that waive the fee for the ID if you are too poor to afford it.

There is NO excuse. But YOUR head is so far up the DNC's ass that YOU are saying things on here that make you sound like you don't even live in the real world.

Sorry to have to say that to you. But you haven't been shy in insulting me one little bit.
So there you have it. The things you are typing in this thread sound dumb to me. They are based on nothing. And you just ignore the FACTS on getting an ID that I keep telling you over an over.

Use google. Find out for yourself from the official govt. website of a state...not some info you get from MSNBC, the DNC, or a far left blogger.

EDIT: One other thing about your foolish comment...You said that they would have to take time off from work to go get their ID (once every 8 years by the way). Well BOO-FUCKING-HOO. Everybody else has to take time off of work to get their driver's license renewed too. And a million other little things in life that sometimes require you to put a TINY amount of effort and inconvenience to get them done.

And if they can't even take ONE day every EIGHT YEARS to get their ID...then how the fuck are they going to take one day to vote? The logic of your argument makes my head spin with the idiocy of it.

Is all anyone sees is the ID issue ??

Seriously?

You guys would be eaten up voraciously in a real debate.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ID

You continue to 'focus' on that one little point while ignoring the rest, no matter how many times I spell it out. Thus 'hopeless'

As for Dems I am not defending them. I said that they 'used' race as an excuse but you all didn't read anything else I said.

It's like talking to school kids who have an attention span of 4.5 seconds.

Read the title of the thread. :1orglaugh

mopek1, you are the one who IS being eaten up in this debate.

The post asks the question: Is it racist to ask for ID to vote.

You are the one who is talking about something else...nobody is quite sure WHAT you are talking about. But you seemed focused on something.

You're just not very good at communicating it.

Best I can tell... you hate Republicans and they are evil.

Other than that...I've shown you over and over and over that the point is MOOT. Getting an ID is Easy, Cheap, and Fast.

Doesn't matter what the Democrat Party or the Republican Party THINK that this whole issue will gain them...it's moot. Getting an ID is no hurdle.

And you are the one who appears to me to be working with a "school kid" mentality as you just keep on and on about the Republicans.

NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS...IT'S THE DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT CLAIMED IT'S RACIST TO ASK FOR ID.

Wake up and get with the topic.

Just to touch on the cost aspect. In my state a Drivers License will cost you $60 and just an ID card will cost you $45. You have to have a copy of your birth certificate to get one. If you need that it will cost you $20 in Oregon. So you are looking at $65-$85 to get an ID in this state. It isn't a ton of money, but if you are really poor I can see how it can be a problem.

To be 100% honest I don't know if there is a program to help poor/disabled get their ID's for less.

I just looked at the Oregon website and see that.

I couldn't figure out the term of the card either in Oregon. I saw reference to a "lifetime" card, but I'm not sure if that is what they mean.

And yeah, it looks like $45 in Oregon for an ID card.

I'll have to assume that the majority of people have access to their birth certificate in modern times. If not, then they probably need to spend $20 to get one anyway. Just being a responsible person and all.

I do have to say...if any minorities ever do move to Oregon and don't own a car and have a drivers license, they are gonna have to shell out $45.

I don't know if that equals "racism" or "voter suppression". $45 won't even fill the tank of my car or take my family out for dinner at Olive Garden. But it would be a lot of money to put out IF I were incredibly poor, had no form of ID, and was just chomping at the bit to go vote on election day.

Are there black people in Oregon? :)

Don't be a RACIST! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

(but no, there are no known black folks in Oregon :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh just kidding)

It's not even the money, it's the time, effort and timing you'd need to get all this done before vote day..

I'm positive that more people who are legal to vote who want to vote who actually GO TO FUCKING VOTE will be turned away than "illegal voters" will be denied. Slow clap.

It's also just... why are there politicians working so hard on this, pretending like they care about the sanctity of the voting system? On one hand they're driving in busloads of people and paying them to vote, gerrymandering, installing hackable voting machines, etc etc.. While on the other they're playing saint and saviour trying to protect the voting system? Bitch please.

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And I bet you are not far off with your assessment that there are no known black folk inn Oregon either.

My drivers license is good for 8 years, but I have no idea how long the ID card is good for. I would assume it is the same.

I just had to renew my license and had to get a copy of my birth certificate because I had somehow managed to lose it. It wasn't a big deal, I did it in an afternoon, but I did have to drive to the place, fill out a form and pay the fee. I also think you can do it online and they will send it to you. I actually felt sorry for the poor bastard in front of me in line. He was in line 40 minutes, gets up to the counter to renew is drivers license and finds out you need a copy of your birth certificate which he didn't have on him. Now he gets to come back and wait in line again.

They are all undercover in this state.

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Black/White relations certainly have an interesting history there.

Not surprised to see GFY's Republican/conservative apologist tools blame the victims and refuse to consider this a blatant power grab intended to deny citizens their right to vote. :1orglaugh

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ADG

see thread title :2 cents:

Eh...that's it. I'm tired of ADG's insults.

If you can't see the fact that anybody in the U.S. can get an ID without any more problem than I get my Drivers License renewed...then enjoy your idiocy.

I for one, am tired of you posting up retarded pictures by the dozens and never even understanding what you are talking about.

Later on ADG. You showed your true colors back a few years ago when you jumped in with a few other assholes on GFY and bullied that girl Claire (who was a genuinely nice girl).

Enjoy your life and "business" (whatever it is you do that actually makes you money). You're off to my ignore list with all others who are disrespectful and can't make me a thin dime in this business.

blah blah blah.... if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass...you can misquote, micro manage, imagine, reimagine all you want... reality get ID to vote

Robbie if they can't figure out how to get ride to the DMV, probably won't be able to figure out how to get down and vote anyway :2 cents:

this is the funniest post in the thread.... (thread about ID) :thumbsup

okay now I'm confused.. are we talking about 'minorities' or 'mentally challenged' over and over and over you have consistently pointed out that the issues can't be resolved by the affected parties... .